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highness25:
That's what happens when you copy and paste. Try and write from your own understanding

Actually, I did not copy and paste, my phone seemed to auto correct my text. Sorry about that

DeRichard:
Bible passages have spiritual meanings. What Jesus meant is whatever he does it's God that makes him do it, they communicate as in the spirit as he is being directed my God to do it.

That's your interpretation and I appreciate it. So you are saying Jesus didn't see or learn from the father but the verse meant something else right?

Engr1:
First of all, we should know that Jesus is no ordinary man alright, HE IS THE VERY SON OF GOD that came to do the FATHER's WILL and take on HIMSELF human flesh so He could take our place for the punishment of our sin! Because Jesus, the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD took on HIMSELF the human flesh, and in the flesh conquered satan, and never yielded nor obeyed satan ONE TIME......JESUS WAS ABLE TO RISE FROM THE DEAD with the keys of death and hell, & ALL POWER both in heaven & in earth was given unto Jesus.
Be ye doers of the Word, & not hearers Only James 1:22

Sir I don't think you understand my question. All you say is correct and I agree but I don't think it relates to my question.
If you are not clear with my question, I could explain better

SeriouslySense:
If we are to deduce, it means Jesus can do what God the Father can do, such as restore life to our dead bodies, he can create any form of Life from nothing, he has absolute control over the elements or the Universe itself.

Since during creation, Jesus was there with God the Father, and he was part of creating everything. He was there during its design and during the plan for creation. He saw everything, or he created.

So any kind of task that only God can do can be given to Jesus by the father, Jesus can do that task because it will be shown to him and is assigned to him and Jesus is also God ( now I think i am going beyond my limits, )

Hmm nice answer bit my main focus is where he says he saw the father do these things. Are you saying he never sawant the father raise the dead and pay for sins?

Eberex:
God the father coexist with God the son and God the holy spirit.

These three exist as one. (It's not in human level of understanding)

You are asking what was it that Jesus saw his father do? Why do you want to know? How does that affect anything?

And for your information, Jesus uses the father to explain his teachings because God the father sent him. He is God the son. Both are inseparable.

His taught based on human level of reasoning.

Ask more important questions

Now you confuse everything. You say "These three exist as one. (It's not in human level of understanding)"[color=#000099][/color] If it's beyond our understanding, how are you trying to explain it? And why would it be in the bible? Was the bible not write for humans or was it written to confuse us?

Finally, you ask why I want to know? What good child wouldn't want to know everything about his father?

drips8:
Despite how badly arsenal has been playing the past few seasons, Chelsea recently surpassed their record. Arsenal really fell off and it's disappointing.

This is not about a few seasons. This is decades of football

habsydiamond:
Abomination everywhere these days.. Twins marrying one wife and vice versa.. This world is running to its last page with all these series of happenings.. Mama and pikin fvcking to the extent of having children for one another.. It's ridiculous mehn.

There is nothing new under the sun. These things have been happening before our great grand parents were born

SeriouslySense:
Clearly not.

can you explain the part of verse 19 "Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does"?
What did the son see the father doing?

empress101:
HI everyone..
I have been talking to a guy recently..We have known for years but lost contact and reconnected again 3months ago and I honestly do like him alot(I think he likes me too)....
When I asked him what he really wanted, he said "I dont want a relationship, I like you and just want you around"..
To me,its selfish and seems like torture to my emotions going with the facts that I'm beginning to have catch feelings..
I'm so confused now, what do I do??
I'm planning of stopping communications and erasing all memory of him...

Oh, you don't want to be friend zoned?
You should do as you say, erase him from memory.
But note, he is a good guy. He is being honset with you. We need more guys like him not players

143WaZoBia:
That’s exactly what I responded to. Shows you have a motive.

Honestly sir I don't understand what you are talking about.
But then if you most contribute, forget what you suspect my motives are and answer the question or learn from those already answering it

Eberex:
Now listen.
When we read things we also need to ask questions.
During Jesus time, the Jews have a belief which happens to be "there is only one God". Did you think Jesus will announce who he was to them? That would have been sacrilege! Their beliefs must remain intact.

From your verses, Jesus is clearly letting us know the relationship he has with the father. It's a symbiotic one. He is one with the father, hence whatever he does also applied to him.

Have you wondered why the prophets of old start preaching by saying "the Lord says", or "thus says the Lord".

But did Jesus ever said that? Did he ever start talking with those words?no. Instead he says "I am" I AM. Does that tell you anything?

When Moses was in the burning bush, what did God say his name was

I AM THAT I AM

If I get you, you are saying Jesus Christ is same as the father?
Please explain this from verse 19
"Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does"
What was it that Jesus saw his father do?

ThierryJay:
Let me chip in my own understanding. The verses you quoted are simply showing the unity of mind between God and Jesus while he was on earth. Every "work" Jesus did on earth was based on instruction/approval/insight/revelation from God his father. That is why he expressly stated "I and my Father are ONE".

It is about Father and son sharing the same purpose of mind but the info flows from the father to the son which is why he referenced his father doing the works first in the spiritual realm.

But to say God had also died first somewhere is a misinterpretation of those verses. There was a separation between God and Jesus on the cross when he cried my father why have you forsaken me, meaning he was left alone to carry the burden cos at that point he had become sin which the father could not connect to again (a verse says he was made sin). At that point, Jesus was in uncharted territory which is why he was elevated back to God's side upon his resurrection for achieving something so difficult.

I appreciate your answer but it seems everyone attemptin my question is only trying to express what he thinks Jesus meant.
I would love it if you have the time to break the verses down and explain sentence by sentence.
For example, what does Jesus mean by
"Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does"?

SporaD8:
I would likewise have engaged you had you come out plain with your motive(my first post made that clear) but I can see through your subterfuge.
You are the hypocritical one here my friend.

Chief it's OK to stop the banter. Others are beginning to attempt the question. Peace

babajero:
NEW IMPROVED VERSION, or AMPLIFIED VERSION, They say the same thing with more simpler English.

Exactly, they say the same thing

babajero:
Go and study your Quran it said something about Jesus Christ.

Do not bear false witness, I am not a Muslim aND even if I was, 1peter3.15

143WaZoBia:
You don’t know about Bible but you want to criticize? I can’t put you in one place.

Do you understand the meaning of criticize? I asked a question, you obviously don't have an answer.
Why can't you be humble enough to learn from those that are trying to answer.

SporaD8:
The same simple question according to you, "of getting confused by reading different versions of the Bible?!" Oshe simpleton.
Isn't it obvious you are not a Christian?! And the purpose of this thread is not to seek knowledge?!

Now who is the troll. Be an example of the believers in conversation. I would not respondo to you anymore because you have nothing to contribute to this discussion and you are a hypocrite

Eberex:
You are the one misinterpreting it.

Sir here are the verses explain how I misinterpreted
19 Jesus gave them this answer: “Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does. 20 For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does. Yes, and he will show him even greater works than these, so that you will be amazed. 21 For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it.

It's clear that the son saw the father doing stuff and he was following the example

Eberex:
Shallow minded.

Is that all you understand by that sentence? God is his father.

So tell me. How did he become God's son

I forgive your insult.
You seem to have left my question and you are now interviewing me.
Please why don't we allow does that could answer to post first than later we could go on with your interview. I wouldn't want us to divert those that truly have answers.
Thanks

Kobojunkie:
Now we are getting somewhere... so this is what you were hiding, asking your op to decieve is it. Why didn't you simply state this as your belief from the beginning?

So your understanding of what is written is that Jesus Christ has observed His own Father do the same exact things off in some other world and time , and He, Jesus Christ, came to to world to do the same exact things He has previously observed His Father doing.... that is interesting.

I wasn't hiding anything, I was as open as can be with my question. It's up to you to answer if you have an answer

Eberex:
Explain what you understand by "son of God" please

God is his father

SeriouslySense:
To my little understanding, of which i may be wrong, because God is complex, and he only Shows what he wants to show to the people.

What I understand by this verse is that Jesus is 100 percent in unity with God, because he is also God, this is why whatever the father does the Son can also do.

And another way to understand it, is that Jesus and the Father are truly one, Jesus does what he does according to what the father does, so the saying is true, Listen, O Israel, for the Lord, is One.

finally, if we take it literally, as it comes, it could mean, Jesus, humbles himself So that God is glorified and in this process of revelations, God is revealed in Jesus or through Jesus, so that the Son is also Glorified, for the Lord is One.

I love your explanation but my question is, did the father at anytime pay the price of sin for mankind? Jesus seemed to be saying that he saw his father do that and was following that example

Myer:
And you still haven't corrected it?

I just told you it was a mistake and I told you what I intended to write. That should be enough for you.
But then let's not divert. If you don't understand my question, let's allow others who do the space to comment

jonatoye:
OP, Do you believe that Jesus Christ, is the son of God? Then I will answer you. I know where this is coming from and the mistake in the post was deliberate; if not you can modify it.

Yes I believe, Jesus is the Son of God

oranget:
Don't mind the guy, anyone who is not mischievous would know what you meant to write

abi

SporaD8:
I would have given a comprehensive answer to OP. but from his response about "getting more confused from reading different versions of the Bible", I realized the purpose of the thread is to troll not to seek knowledge.
P:S the day OP(tctrills) and his like get to understand that English language is not the original script of the Bible, their ignorance will be cured!
Now declare after me, "Lord Jesus, I accept you as my personal Lord and savior. Come into my life today and take control now!"

I guess you don't understand the meaning of troll.
In all my comments, have I trolled anyone?
If you are not comfortable with questions like these, there is not need to comment.
You don't expect everyone to ask the simple questions that you know

babajero:
My question to you as well, is do you agree that your father can be in America having many companies, then send you to the company which is in Africa because he trusts your loyalty, with an instructions, and still call you to give you instructions on what to do and not to do?

That is exactly the way I understand those verses. The Bible seems to be telling us that the father has other (worlds/places/companies) and he sent his son to one because he trust his son to follow his example. Jesus Christ states in the passage that he has seen his father do these things.
I think you are correct.

babajero:
When they say different versions, it didn't say different meanings, it only means different languages and simplified English, for easy understanding. It is only a foolish man will carry a Bible written in in Hebrew,Arabic , French etc while he only understands English or his audience only understands Igbo, Hausa, Yoruba, Ijaw, Efik or other native languages, and starts blabbing away just because he wants to show that knows too much.

Sir, I use English bible. Please suggest a version that has a simplified explanation.

pongwa:
search for the meaning of a parable

Sir if you have answers give. It's wisdom to ask questions that is why most churches have Sunday school.
If you also don't have an answer, you could learn from others contributions

Kobojunkie:
Comprehension is key in understanding what is written in any book you pick up to read. If you experience difficulty comprehension-wise when studying one translation, it simply means you are trying to read above your grade and you need a translation that best fits your grade level as far as comprehension of the language goes.

You still have not given me the translation.
And I posted this on nairaland so that those that comprehend like you could explain better to the rest of us

Hangmnk:
Yoruba boy and Muslim guy making it without trafficking drugs. For all those lowlife child factory products telling me he is not Yoruba. Y'all Simians descendants call all northerners Hausa. I only know three tribes in the South the Yorubas, ijaws and the arrogant chimpanzees. Awon developers

Haba, the day you guys would just end this foolish tribalism, the better for thi
s country.
It's now impossible to read any post on nairaland without the tribalism group representing.
Later, some of you would be criticizing the whites for racism.

AntiChristian:
I asked based on the verses being discussed in the OP.

I know I was the one that posted it. Do you have an explanation to the verses?