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Ayo081:
He doesn't. But our rebellion will attract his anger. However, when we remind of his words, he will forgive us.



Read Exodus 32 and 1 Kings 11. There more references too.

Are you saying that if we do not remind him, he would break his promise?
You are confusing everything. You say he does not forget but we need to remind him. Don't you see the contradiction. And what does Solomon and first Kings 11 have to do with this?

jesusjnr2020:
I never said God wasn't angry with Israel or that He didn't want to destroy Israel. I spoke of His conversation with Moses being a test. I spake of Moses praying according to the Will of God and teaching of God and hence passing the test.

God Will for man is that no one perishes, but that all men come to repentance, so the prayer of Moses was according to the Will of God, hence Moses passing the test by praying according to God's Will and God heeding his prayer. So the Lord relenting, is in accordance with His Will which Moses' prayer aligned with, not that Moses was advising God as you misinterpret.

I hope you can comprehend it better now.

I disagree and I am not misinterpting. At that instance God made it clear that his will was to destroy Isreal. Until Moss spoke to him. Read from verse 9. These verses were very clear about God's will and intentions before Moses spoke to him. Please read from verse 9.
Again, how else would you define advice.

You also contradict yourself in your first paragraph.
"I never said God wasn't angry with Israel or that He didn't want to destroy Israel. I spoke of His conversation with Moses being a test. I spake of Moses praying according to the Will of God and teaching of God and hence passing the test."[color=#770077][/color]

You agree that God was angry and he wanted to destroy Isreal so how could it have been a test.
If it was a test, then he wouldn't have any intention to destroy Isreal.

ChiefSosa:
I got you, bro! But, I don't consider God to be double-minded, a word like 'indecisive' would've been better and more understandable! Meaning: God has/had several options regarding matters.

I don't believe God to be double minded either my issue is with the bible verse not God.
Now remember when Christ prayed and asked God to take away the cup, he stated 'but if it be thy will, let it be done.'
In this case, God already indicated his will to Moses. He was furious with Isreal and wanted to destroy the entire nation.
Moses spoke some wise words and he saw sense in it. I find it hard to believe that is how a perfect being works.
No doubt, God has several options but does he also will multiple, opposite things at the same time?

orisa37:
Prayer is ADVICE in This Context. Yes. When you PRAY RIGHTLY, GOD WILL ANSWER YOU POSITIVELY..

REPENTANCE IS PRAYER TOO. When you genuinely repent, God will change His Mind to favour you.

PRAYER WITHOUT FURTHER SINNING, IS YOUR ANSWER.

Totally different from what this. God intended to destroy Isreal, Moses got him to change is mind.
Are you saying that men could make the Lord change his mind?

Bachelorette:
Can a clay advice the porter?

Moses seemed to do so in Exodus 32. 11-14

jesusjnr2020:
Lol! Really funny question.

What you don't seem to understand is that when God usually had a conversation with His creation, it's often a test to see how much His creation had learnt from His teachings and the instructions He gave them.

So what you see as Moses advising God was Moses actually praying according to the Will of God and His teachings, proving he was an excellent student who had learnt well from God's teachings by his response. Therefore Moses passed God's test with flying colors, like a first class or an A1, because he reacted according to the way God taught him and the same way God would have reacted if God were human.

That's why God heeded what Moses had told Him, because it actually aligned with God's ways and interest. Such were the things that Moses did that made God to have a high regard and respect for him, that He wouldn't have students as Aaron and Miriam, who themselves had performed woefully in their own tests which God gave to them, joke with him, because God consequently saw Moses as Himself, being a man who was walking in accordance with His ways and instructions more than such ones.

Something similar happened with Abraham in the instance of Sodom and Gomorrah, as God was pleased to hear Abraham speak and pray in accordance to His Will and what He had taught him, hence why God was happy to wait to hear and answer all that His student had to ask, to see how much he'd learnt and also to put him through anything he couldn't understand.

Even in the beginning, despite God knowing that Adam had already sinned and eaten of the forbidden fruit, and hence failed God's test, God still wanted to hear and see if Adam had learnt anything from his disobedience, and if he would humble himself and repent, so that He would forgive him and make the punishment for his failure less severe. But Adam proved to be a very bad and the worst kind of student, who despite failing the test God gave to him, was still claiming right and trying to put the blame of his failure on someone else, instead of repenting and asking God for forgiveness. So God had no choice but to make Adam get the full reward or punishment for the woeful way he performed in His test.

Therefore it takes the understanding the ways of God to be able to rightly interpret God's actions and reactions in His conversations with His creation.

God bless.

To understand you better, you are saying this was all a test, God wasn't really angry and he actually did not want to destroy Israel?
I could agree with you but then Exodus 32.14
Then the Lord relented and did not bring on his people the disaster he had threatened.
The keyword there is relented. Some translation's use repented.
If this was only a test, then verse 14 is wrong

MightySparrow:
The Bible tells us it is possible.

If God can change, then is he perfect. There is no shadow of turning in him.
Moses is not wiser than God

ChiefSosa:
I think Moses' Pleading (emphasis on pleading) was what changed God's mind. The fact he GENUINELY pled must have reduced God's anger, thereby making God give moses a listening ear and an open heart.

I believe moses EMPHASIZED on the good sides of the Israelites that were worth considering, rather than being tossed out.

Fact is: God has actually changed his mind towards us and has shown us mercy at different points in time, even when we are not aware.

The scripture wrote, in James 1.8
he is a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways.
God is not double-minded. He does not change.
As a perfect being, there is no shadow of turning in him.
It shouldn't take Moses to make him realize and keep his promise to Isreal

Ayo081:
Bergain or remembering God of his promises is a better word.

Like Abraham did.

When you say rememberin God his promise, dies God forget his promise? Does he need to be remained? Would God break his promise if we don't remain hum?

Dtruthspeaker:
As Bachelorette Warned, no man is qualified to give God advice.

But what you see is the Goodness of God in Action in that The Creator speaks with His lesser creation and the creation is permitted to speak to Him.

Many wonderful things took place there.

I understand God permitting Moses to speak. But this was basically Mises calming an angry God down.
It was Moses being the bigger man and providing council that calmed the situation and made God change his mind.
God is always right but in this case, it was Moses that was right. And he heeded room Moses' wise words

Pidginwhisper:
AJ is a fraud!! He doesn’t deserve to hold the title. He got rocked by a cruiserweight boxer from beginning to the end in front of home fans. He’s a disgrace to that division. He won’t last 5 rounds against either Wilder or Fury. Such a bum.

Nigerians supporting Nigerians, good one.

rottennaija:
What has AJ been training and posting pictures and videos all these while? He fights like someone without energy during the last stages

You think it's easy abi?

In Exodus 32, the Lord was angry with Israel and wanted to destroy them. Moses seemed to plead and bring up good points why the Lord shouldn't destroy them.
God finally yielded to Moses.
Since God has all knowledge and wisdom and he knows what's best, why did it take Moses to get him to change is mind?
Can we also make God change his mind?
Or was that scripture wrongly translated.
Exzodus 32. 9-14.

Ammishaddai:
You're the only condemning it with your comment .

How else do you want people to condemn it? Do you want them to rob him or kill him?

amrichy:
Let's have a vote:
If you think the prevalence of internet fraud among Nigerian youths is unjustifiable, click like, if you think it is justifiable click share.

After voting, how do we stop it.

Theunbothered:
I have said this so many times at this point but Nigerians are still stuck thinking like it's the 1970s

We just need to educate them

BluntCrazeMan:
Dear Mathematicians in the house....
I need you all to look at the attached picture below, and point out the spot where the whole mathematics started going wrong.
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Thanks..

the fifth line.

Nebulax:
The food price will still continue to be rise for some time as most of the abundant agricultural products we used to import have been banned. And currently, we have few people making the products hence high price. By the time more people join the business, there would be competition with the price

I want to disagree with you. As of 2020, 1 in 3 working Nigerians was employed in agriculture yet we exported less than a billion dollars of agricultural products and food prices kept rising.
We obviously don't need more farmers. No country developed by increasing its number of famers.
Holland with about half a million farmers exported over 100 billion agricultural products.
There is actually a direct relationship with the number of farmers in a country and rising poverty.
The poorest countries have the most farmers.

Europe and America ended slavery in the 1800s but the Arab world has no problem with slavery especially African slaves.
I laugh sometime's when I see people critizing the west for an action committed 100s of years ago and forget that the Arab world is the most racist part of the world.
No one goes to jail in Saudi Arabia for owing an African slave.

Hangmnk:
Okay thanks Dad

If you would do something about it, you would be great.
I know it's easy to fall into the trap of tribalism.
But believe, you can be better than that

Hangmnk:
IPOB lowlife criminals developing Turkey

You really need to stop being a tribalist.
I know it's hard a's this could be a habit for you but you need to make the effort.
I suggest you stay away from social media for a while. If you areally a Christian, you could talk to your pastor about it.

wellmax:
Yes blame the government for everything as usual.

Greddy Nigerians are imposing illegal fines and dues on importers, go to Apapa and see the multiple charges imposed by the importers and shippers union, but na only the government we go blame.

You think Nigeria is the only country with greedy people?
The airport is government property, all those imposing fines are government agencies.
Let's not chase shadows. Same with the seaport. People are only greedy because of our failed system.
What our country needs is good leaders. We cannot stop people from being greedy but we can vote for better leaders.

wellmax:
Is he the one making money from the illegal charges?

Among the 16 sundry charges tracked for goods coming in or departing the country via airports, only five are officially recognised.


Nigerians are generally greedy.

It's not a problem of greed but of bad governance.

I have nothing against greedy people but I am against bad government policies and failed agencies

[quote author=FutureIsFemale post=106065969]Men have now seen rape and incest as the thing of pride. No shame at all.

Some times I just sit down and wish I could be a man for a second to see if being a man I won't be able to control my sex drive.
What is it with men of these days? Why do these to your own? You all claim sex is cheap yet you resort into rape and sleeping with your daughters.
And everthing must be about sexism. How many man commit rape. How many of the men you know, your father, your brothers, uncles and friends are rapist?
Most men don't rape. Most men hate rape and would do anything to punish a rapist.

MaxInDHouse:
My friend it's not necessary we continue with this, just know that you and i aren't worshiping the same God.
In my own FAITH all believers must have the same line of thought.
If you wish to know something feel free to ask me but never think that you and i worship the same God if you're not one of Jehovah's Witnesses!

You have a right to your beliefs.
I wouldn't know about your God, but I serve the creator of heaven and earth and the father of our spirits.

MaxInDHouse:
All worshipers of my own God must have the same line of thought as Jesus wanted it to be:

 “I make request, not concerning these only, but also concerning those putting faith in me through their word, so that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us, so that the world may believe that you sent me. I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are one. I in union with them and you in union with me, in order that they may be perfected into one, so that the world may know that you sent me and that you loved them just as you loved me. John 17:20-23
Paul also said:

Now I urge you, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you should all speak in agreement and that there should be no divisions among you, but that you may be completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought. 1 Corinthians 1:10

So whatever makes you and i differ in beliefs then we are not worshiping the same God, but that doesn't mean i'm judging you, i'm only telling you exactly what i found in the scriptures!
May you have PEACE!

In the new testement, we have instances where Peter and Paul disagreed on doctrine.
Paul and Barnabas couldn't agree to work together. They were not one. But that doesn't mean they wouldn't be saved

MaxInDHouse:
All worshipers of my own God must have the same line of thought as Jesus wanted it to be:

 “I make request, not concerning these only, but also concerning those putting faith in me through their word, so that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us, so that the world may believe that you sent me. I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are one. I in union with them and you in union with me, in order that they may be perfected into one, so that the world may know that you sent me and that you loved them just as you loved me. John 17:20-23
Paul also said:

Now I urge you, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you should all speak in agreement and that there should be no divisions among you, but that you may be completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought. 1 Corinthians 1:10

So whatever makes you and i differ in beliefs then we are not worshiping the same God, but that doesn't mean i'm judging you, i'm only telling you exactly what i found in the scriptures!
May you have PEACE!

I agree with you on that. We all should have one doctrine.

That's why he ordained men to bring us to the truth.
Ephesians 4.11 11 So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, 12 to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up 13 until we all reach unity
in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.

14 Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of people in their deceitful scheming.15 Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will grow to become in every respect the mature body of him who is the head, that is, Christ.

But then, the bible told us what we need to be saved. John3.16, Matthew 25. 31-46, John 3. 3-5, revelation 3.21 and revelation 2.26 to mention a few.

These verse tell us what is needed for salvation.

So we can argue about the doctrines as much as we want. But the core things that lead to salvation are faith in Christ, repentance, baptism and receiving the Holy Ghost and living a Christlike life.
We may not need a perfect knowledge. In fact faith isn't a perfect knowledge.

If we were whites, we would be researching how to make every yam to be this big.
We would be studying the conditions that produced such huge harvest and would want to replicate it every time

MaxInDHouse:
There's a lot to discuss but since you believe you're ok with what you know i'll keep off!

But before i do that i want you to know that i am only serving as a teacher to those who are ready to learn from me, most of them have become better than me because they are far much more educated than me so after teaching them the elementary things of the Christ which they humbly received it and praying with them {John 17:8-9} Jesus (the master) will dispense to them the measure of SPIRIT they need {John 14:26-27; 16:12-13} and before they realize it i'm already learning from them again because i'm not the master. John 15:1-8
They are now my brothers and we're having interchange of encouragement {Hebrews 10:24-25} they're now my brothers in Christ! Matthew 12:46-50
But for now i'm just your neighbour, you and i aren't related in any way so please don't call me your "brother" neither should you call me "pastor" because i'm not your spiritual teacher.
Please i'm simply your neighbour.

May you have PEACE!

Oga calm down with the preaching.
I understand you think you are in the right place and others are in the wrong.
But you just might be mistaken.
When I called you pastor, it was a joke. I was trying to reduce the tension between us.
I am sure that you would find many who believe your message is appealing and I wish you luck. But you have to understand that we humans are so different. We all can't believe the same thing. That's the way God created us. Your religion would appeal to some people, but not everyone. But that does not make it right or better than any other religion

MaxInDHouse:
There's a lot to discuss but since you believe you're ok with what you know i'll keep off!

But before i do that i want you to know that i am only serving as a teacher to those who are ready to learn from me, most of them have become better than me because they are far much more educated than me so after teaching them the elementary things of the Christ which they humbly received it and praying with them {John 17:8-9} Jesus (the master) will dispense to them the measure of SPIRIT they need {John 14:26-27; 16:12-13} and before they realize it i'm already learning from them again because i'm not the master. John 15:1-8
They are now my brothers and we're having interchange of encouragement {Hebrews 10:24-25} they're now my brothers in Christ! Matthew 12:46-50
But for now i'm just your neighbour, you and i aren't related in any way so please don't call me your "brother" neither should you call me "pastor" because i'm not your spiritual teacher.
Please i'm simply your neighbour.

May you have PEACE!

Let me ask you a simple question, what would be the faith of someone who believes in Christ, keeps the commandments but isn't a member of your church?

MaxInDHouse:
We don't need eloquence to deliver! Act 4:13

So once we've gotten the message across it's either you agree or disagree but we've played our part! Matthew 10:13-15

Peace pastor

MaxInDHouse:
People like you only have eyes but you're not seeing, ears you have but you're not grasping anything {Matthew 13:14} if you're saying Jesus taught you something but there's no group that's able to practice it today, do you know the spiritual implications of what you're saying?

Well let me enlighten you!

Jesus is the Son of God {Matthew 3:17; 17:5} God is the wisest in all the universe {Romans 11:33} and so His Son must be the most wonderful counselor ever! Isaiah 9:6

But you are saying you belong to God's Son (Jesus) yet you want everyone to believe that Jesus is a failure! 2Timothy 3:5



How can you prove that Jesus is God's Son when what he taught is not working anywhere? 1John 2:22

Haba... this isn't a personal battle man. Anyway, I understand your overzealousness. It is the rashness of youth. As you grow older, you would grow wiser and learn respect and tolerance. You would make a great preacher of the gospel. I see you have some talent.
But learn to calm down. What we do is called 'Labour of Love' for a reason.
Peace bro.

One more thing, learn to express yourself clearly.