₦airaland Forum

Christiansen:
This is not about respect. It's about not posting or publishing rubbish especially from the English press. The English press always take their hype to the extreme. Eg the way they hype their players.

Imagine the Monday show that analysis the weekend football, nevile brought in a Ronaldo vs messi debate. He brought in a topic that doesn't even concern the Premier League.

At the end of the day, he made a fool of himself when he said messi had no intl trophies as he was debunked. He ended up admitting that Kane is better than cr7 and would've been a better signing that him. I'm sure even Ronaldo won't be impressed with him if he heard that

For Ronaldo, there is nothing like hype. The media is wise in talking about him continuously because his millions of fans can't get enough of him. Talking about Ronaldo is great business. It's not about hype. It's about respecting the most loved footballer

Christiansen:
The circus around Cristiano Ronaldo in England is embarrassing for everyone involved



Marca

Come oh is this just beef?
Ronaldo deserves complete respect. He became the biggest brand in sports through hardwork, determination and extreme commitment.
Love or hate him, you can't ignore the fact that he is a super professional.
So if the press and everyone is crazy about him, he deserves it 100%
It's a motivation for the rest of us to be the best in our field.

cutecommend:
Okada-istic cheating....

Lust is a dirty spirit....

The demon of lust: You might see a clean woman with decent look, good education and responsible face, having sex with dirty-looking, agbo-drinking and armpit-smelling tout with maximum pleasure, as she might enjoy the smell as an enhancer to the sex...

See as everyone is getting jealous of okada man.
Is he not a man anymore. Or is sex only for some professions.
Oya list the professions that are entitled to sex?
Infedelity is wrong let's forget the profession.

donblanco:
Ok after fighting apc ,who do we go for?

It's up to you to decide who you think would stir us out of this mess. It's too early for me to give you political advice.
We have at least 2 years to look and make wiser decision's than we made the last time.

uthlaw:
we agree on it,but PDP are not coming back to power to succeed APC...we rather go for another party!

It's up to you and every other voter but your post was abut deflection of blame.
Let's learn to blame and solve our problems instead of being political.
No one was talking about pdp. You brought it up. If we go your way, it would only end in a blame game

uthlaw:
so na PDP get credible candidate?

When I read stuff like this, I am just weak. PDP isn't in Power. We would never grow by shifting blame. Nigeria is currently being run and ruined by APC and Buhari. If PDP is in Power we would discuss that but for now we can forget them and fight the monster destroying our dear country. At least we can all agree on that.

fnep2smooth:

Where is that end time guy? I want him to start is end time chanting because the prophecy is about to happen. They will soon impeach him then the woman will now rule the world.


Watching

not likely, with control of the house and senate that wouldn't happen. You would need at least 60 senators to kick him out. That isn't going to happen. Not all prophecies come to pass.

JaneYave:
My Abuja is ten times better this. My Goshen city is 100 times better even.

Please it's good to tell pepole when you are joking.
Rabat is a tourist capital in Africa. No one would leave Europe for tourism in Abj.

Nothingserious:
Thank you for your points.

My joke on my wife meant she is a better religious person that myself. That has no negative connotation and she knows. There is nothing wrong about being religious. I am religious. I am a church person. I am proud of it. But I just tell my wife she is better than me in that aspect.

I hope this is okay Sir/Ma?

Back to the main issue. We can only interpret scriptures with scriptures. Any other thing not clearly written can only be extrapolated. And those attract varied views

sorry, I didn't get the joke.
and like you say, we can only interpret scriptures with scriptures that's why I am uncomfortable to give personal interpretation when Jesus says, " Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does."

I want to believe Jesus when he says he saw the father do stuff. I don't want to assume it meant something else unless I read that from another passage of scripture.

When he says " For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so, the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it." I want to believe that the father had done it first before Christ did it.

[quote author=Nothingserious post=105807281][/quote]Now I think you are finally getting it. Jesus Christ was revealing something we all take for granted. He was telling us something about his father

Litmus:
You don’t seem any better than the rest of Nigeria at building infrastructure and maintaining them either; at least, judging by images of areas posted on Nairaland.

I don't understand what you wrote can you explain, please?

Omoluabi1stborn:


What a joke

Religious freedom is fundamental. Let everyone worship How, Where, or What they may. If he chooses, he could have also brought an Imam to bless him.
Come to think of it, our politicians during elections would go to the biggest churches for blessings and still visit the Imams for the same blessings. Each election circle, you would see Tinubu and Buhari in redeem yet they are Muslims.
The average Nigerian worships many Gods.

optionalY09:
Well, if you want the seat at home to end you must wake all the innocent life’s the Nigerian government killed and the East or declare Biafra Nation then the seat at home will end

Keep sitting at home then. Is it the Yorubas or Hausas that are suffering from it?
Later you would be asking Igbos to invest in the east. How would I bring business to a war zone with military rule? You have made our land unsafe.
Finally, let me ask what is the end game? what do you guys hope to achieve from sitting at home? Oh, you believe the government would come to your houses and give you Biafra?
We Igbos are clearly gifted in business and great intellectuals but when it comes to politics and strategy, we are the worst.

Nothingserious:
Hahaha!

I don’t make religious claims at all. I only tell people to meet my wife if they want to see a religious or churchy person. So forget about spirit and no spirit matter Sir/Ma.

I told you all the micro activities of Jesus were scriptural ( baptism by John, “missing “ while coming back from the annual event at young age, discussing with elders at the temple, breaking and eating bread, eating and digesting fish and excreting same, showing his hands to Thomas, crying at the tomb of Lazarus, alabaster perfume broken at his feet, dining with publicans, tax collectors and Zacheus, using spit to heal someone, being chased away by villagers after healing the legion demoniac, chatting with the Samaritan woman by the well etc). Those are real acts, recorded in the Bible ( my scriptural support you asked for). Those are micro activities and many more not recorded.

Do you think God the father DID EXACTLY all those and REHEARSED with Jesus Christ to do same? If your answer is no, what would warrant you to think the passage you quoted literally meant God had also done EVERYTHING Jesus did word for word? Just give me a scriptural backing for your line of thoughts and extrapolation please.

We cannot claim to know everything from the Bible. But we can try and just read the simple messages of the Bible and ask the Holy Spirit to help us.

Like I said, Jesus was a divine human who operated here on earth in obedience to God’s will. God had a template for salvation of men written out before the foundation of the earth. Jesus was always with God and in God from pre-existence and came here to fulfil all God’s work based on the template/will of God.
How he executed it at micro level is between him and God.

He told the Jews in that passage that his father would have healed that man on a sabbath day since he is the God of the sabbath. His father keeps doing good work even on sabbaths so he too will do same. That is just the simple message from your passage.

I also asked you to interpret the part where he said the father has given ONLY HIM the right to JUDGE. Should Jesus and God not be doing exactly same specific things including the judgement if your interpretation were right?

Cheers

I see you are not getting my exact point. My point is that from those verses, we learn that our Father in Heaven had a similar experience, or do I call it an earthly experience.
The scriptures do not state when or if it was on this very earth but they tell us that he showed his son and Jesus Christ our savior followed. The verses are not teaching that it had to be with John or Mary or Joseph. they only tell us that Christ saw what his father did and followed the example.
Now to your final question, I also asked you to interpret the part where he said the father has given ONLY HIM the right to JUDGE. Should Jesus and God not be doing exactly same specific things including the judgement if your interpretation were right?

From the scripture, it means The father has at some time been a Judge and Christ was shown his example. Christ is simply telling us that his father has experienced the same thing. He did not tell us when or where.
Lastly, it's not my business but I don't think you should speak that way about your wife on social media. I only tell people to meet my wife if they want to see a religious or churchy person.

Nothingserious:
“The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, Because he anointed me to preach good tidings to the poor: He hath sent me to proclaim release to the captives, And recovering of sight to the blind, To set at liberty them that are bruised, To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭4:18-19‬ ‭ASV‬‬

All I said came from the scriptures. Jesus simply told the Jewish audience that what he did to the sick man on a sabbath is exactly what his father would have wanted him to do. The passage above summarized what Jesus set out to do. That is his central message according to God’s will. He worked in accordance with the will of God to achieve the central theme. And he delivered perfectly on it. The specifics of how he did his work here on earth on a minute or second basis will not mean God the father took exactly same steps and micro actions as Jesus did, but the central message and work was delivered.

I don’t think you have any biblical support to show that Jesus meant God physically rehearsed ALL minute and micro activity he performed here on earth.

Or do you have a scriptural basis to show that we have done exactly all that Jesus did literally by quoting the scriptures that said we shall do same kind of work he (Jesus ) did or even greater than what he did. Have we done all those word for word?

1. Sir with all due respect anyone can claim to have the spirit.
2. The passages of the scripture you are talking about seem to have nothing on our topic of discussion. We both agree that Christ worked in line with the will of the father. No argument.
3. I never said God physically rehearsed ALL minute and micro activity Christ performed here on earth. To help you understand better what I implied, If your father owns a company and runs it, and then allows you to take over after showing you all he did would you be wrong in saying, "19 “Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does" This to every educated person never means that you are repeat all minute and micro activities of your father.
We shouldn't argue over plain English.
4. I think you even answered yourself here Or do you have a scriptural basis to show that we have done exactly all that Jesus did literally by quoting the scriptures that said we shall do same kind of work he (Jesus ) did or even greater than what he did. Have we done all those word for word?
This is exactly what I am saying Jesus came and gave us a perfect example we do not follow him by living all his ALL minute and micro activities. So it was with Christ, his father showed him his own life as those verses teach and he followed. I think you have finally answered your own question.
5. I can understand this being too hard for most Christians to comprehend. Most of us really read the scriptures superficially. In fact prior to my posting this on Nairaland most of you never knew of this. It's like the verse was hiding in plain sight.
As you say you have the spirit, you should pray and fast to know if those verses speak the truth.

Nothingserious:
Interesting view you’ve got there.

So if you think those passages meant that God had done exactly everything Jesus did here on earth, do you think God ate fish with the disciples and digested them as Jesus did and also excreted them out like the divine Jesus when he was in human form?
Do you think God conversed with the Samaritan woman before and showed Jesus how to do same?

Do you think God was taken as a small boy for annual ceremony where he was left behind by Mary and Joseph?

Do you think God visited Zacheus and had dinner?

Do you think the alabaster box was broken at the feet of God before it was for Jesus?

Was God baptized at Jordan by John the Baptist before Jesus followed same footsteps?

You can’t interpret those scriptures that way pls.
Jesus simply had a pattern laid out for him by God the father that had to be followed for the general work.
And that work was done well the way God wanted.
Cheers

Again, I like the way you see it as much as what you say makes sense, it's not like it's based on bible truths it's your personal opinion and we respect it.
Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.
This simply means that the father also had an earthly experience. Yeah he could have been baptized but it does not have to be by john.

20. For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does.
This is talking about action not some pattern..

21. For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it.
This is so so specific telling us that the very work of resurrection Christ came to perform, the father has earlier done it.
Do you know any scripture that contradicts this. If you have a scripture that says otherwise thend u would believe you.
Remember we can't interpret the scripture to suit a believe. We follow the scripture not the other way round.

See the league 9ja strikers dominate and we blame coaches and players when we don't win nation's cup.
Let's face it, we no longer have the most talented players in Africa.
Gone are the days

DeRichard:
No, for Jesus to say he learnt from the Father, he was right. What he meant is what God tells him to do is what he does that and in other words he learnt from the Father.

I think you are putting words into Jesus mouth or trying to explain for him.
Don't you think we can take the words of the scripture as they are? Without trying to explain it to mean another thing.

Andy15:
well i don't think it means that God did every exact thing that Jesus did i just think it means that God taught him everything he knows and he tries to imitate God's qualities

Thanks for your opinion but how would you explain verse 21.For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it.
Clearly the verses are talking about Jesus following the father's examples and not just God's qualities.
The scriptures seem to be telling us that he lived the fathers experiences.

Nothingserious:
The entire message borders on the unity of the God-head and the authority of God the father over Jesus Christ, the son.
It does not mean that God literally did everything verbatim like Jesus did while on earth as a divine person in a human form. I don’t think God ate fish and broke bread like Jesus did with his disciples. Or that God came down to Jordan to be baptized by John.

Rather the totality of the message and work of Christ in the atonement is understood that God had planned it from the foundation of the universe and noted the role Jesus Christ would play.

The verses below indicate some distinct duties of Jesus Christ. God wouldn’t have done that for Jesus to try to do later as Jesus said he alone is assigned to do that.

And the other verse talks about the necessary existence of Jesus. He existed on his own and his existence is not contingent on anything.

“Even the Father judges no one, for He has given all judgment (the last judgment and the whole business of judging) entirely into the hands of the Son,”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:22‬ ‭AMPC‬‬

“So that all men may give honor (reverence, homage) to the Son just as they give honor to the Father. [In fact] whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, Who has sent Him.”
John 5:23 AMPC

“For even as the Father has life in Himself and is self-existent, so He has given to the Son to have life in Himself and be self-existent.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:26‬ ‭AMPC‬‬

Thank you

To get you right, you are saying that the father did not show the son his own works and the son did not copy the father's examples. And the scriptures meant to say God planned the atonement.
Now of course I waam not implying that John baptized God the father. But could it be that he also lived and had an earth life experience before the son Jesus Christ. That seems to be more accurate with what those verses say.

Nice explanation but another personal opinion.
I was hoping for someone who wouldn't give a personal opinion but one based on the scriptures.

Phurah:
Big Brother Naija; the devil's STAMP of authority on a generation LOST through LUST, have you been STAMPED yet? Are you a CAPTIVE of this DEMONIC STAMPEDE ?

If you call bbn demonic, what would u call pornhub?

emmyN:
It's as simple as it sounds. Jesus is the Father revealed in the visible world of form. But the lamb was slain before the foundation of the world, which is before the physical appearance of Jesus. Selah

You are talking about something else, another topic for another day.
You said the scripture I quoted means that Jesus is same as God.. that is what I needed you to explain

victorazy:
You cannot explain the ways of God.

In the heaven, Jesus is the word that comes out of God but later is was made flesh "Jesus".
But before then, God communicated to man directly, later that word was made flesh to come and teach the word to the world not to be heard by some eg. Moses, Pa Elijah etc.

That word is God himself, he has been there, he witnessed all, he created all, thats why Jesus told Satan " Don't temp Lord your God".

If believer can't explain the ways of God, then we are no more than non believer
John 17.3 This is life eternal that they may know thee the only true God and Jesup Christmas whom thou has sent

Eph4.13Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ.

It is God's will that we all come to a perfect knowledge of him.

UsmanBabaIdris:
You first need to asked yourself WHERE DID THE DIFFERENT BIBLES and VERSIONS CAME FROM?
God cannot be the author of all the different Versions!

I donthink know where the different bibles came from. Please educate me.

Andy15:
NEW WORLD TRANSLATION it uses simple easy to understand english.

Both bibles are saying the very same thing. The son saw and learnt everything from the father. Everything Jesus did, the father first did.
19 Therefore, in response Jesus said to them: “Most truly I say to you, the Son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative, but only what he sees the Father doing.+ For whatever things that One does, these things the Son does also in like manner. 20 For the Father has affection for the Son+ and shows him all the things he himself does, and he will show him works greater than these, so that you may marvel.+ 21 For just as the Father raises the dead up and makes them alive,+ so the Son also makes alive whomever he wants to.

genkins:
Stop reading the heretic King James Bible.. U will just be confusing yaself

Explain... how do you tell which version is better. I guess neither you nor I was born when any of these where writen.
So you need to explain yourself better when you say stuff like this

SeriouslySense:
its possible the answers are in the bible, if you keep looking or you keep asking, you will find it.

Fingers crossed

emmyN:
It means Jesus is the Father

Explain biko.

victorazy:
Many ways Jesus indirectly told He is father in human form.

Jesus is God himself.

Interesting so from the verses I quoted, do we say Jesus saw and learnt from the things he saw himself do?

That does not seem to make much sense. Or how would you interpret it

SeriouslySense:
For raising the dead, I don't know about that, because God is complex, and he has been living with no beginning, we don't know what happened before our universe was created, so there are some questions we cannot really answer, and even in our history, we are not aware of so many things that happened in the world, after creation, or the kind of dialogue that was going on between the persons of God.

But from the bible, it was part of God's plan that Jesus should die on the cross. Jesus also said that we should pay more attention to our salvation than things we cannot comprehend yet, heaven will be a very interesting place, we will keep learning.

I love your humility. It's hard for many of us to admit that we don't know.
While I know that the answer to this question wouldn't take anyone to heaven, but it could open up new unknown facts about the nature of God and Christ

SeriouslySense:
I hope you find your answers, its an interesting question.

I hope so but everyone is giving it his own interpretation. It's getting more confusing, how little we know about God and Jesus Christ

habsydiamond:
that's true.. But in those days it's not a common thing like we see now.. That people are not ashame to do bad things

We can never know. It might have been much worst