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Population 206 million
The government gives 300,000 people 33k each. It remain about 206 million oh.
Honestly, how many small businesses can be successful with 33k?
How many people would successfully grow a business with 33k?

madegreatbygrace:
Read all my posts on this thread

But I have been following your post. Your have note quoted anywhere in the bible that makes baptism irrelevant.

[quote author=madegreatbygrace post=96907221][/quote]Acts 9.18

freshboi88:
No rush

Do u now agree that scripturally baptism of water doesn't have to be in a body of water like u earlier said?

No I dont, unless you quote that from a scripture

madegreatbygrace:
It’s no longer relevant

Oh oh oh.. your point has been that baptism is no longer relevant anymore. Wow. This is a first time.
Would you mind some scriptural backing?

[quote author=madegreatbygrace post=96905150]Give scriptural backing [/quote
Acts 9

madegreatbygrace:
And I stand to be corrected that water baptism was only performed twice in the book of Acts. The first was done by Phillip with the Ethiopian eunuch in Acts 8 , and the second is Peter in the house of Cornelius in Acts 10. That should tell you something.

More than twice. Remember Paul was baptized

I do not know If I am understanding you. Are you saying that baptism is no longer relevant or that the mode of baptism is lost from the scripture or what really?

madegreatbygrace:
And I stand to be corrected that water baptism was only performed twice in the book of Acts. The first was done by Phillip with the Ethiopian eunuch in Acts 8 , and the second is Peter in the house of Cornelius in Acts 10. That should tell you something.

I am not getting your point. I thought you were talking about how baptism should be performed.. please explain better

freshboi88:
I gave u the baptism of Cornelius and his house hold. U did like u did not see it bro

No passage in the bible tells how Cornelius was baptized in your terms

I have given your argument some thought and I think I can understand you more now. You seem to be saying that the Bible failed to explain the process of baptism. Hence no one knows how baptism should be performed or the act of baptism is forever lost.
This school of thought would be 100% correct if baptism does not imply immersion.
But if baptism implies immersion as I profered, then we can continue to follow in that Wise tradition of heaven.

freshboi88:
I don't fancy emotional and sentimental arguements . Provide superior arguements that's scripture based.

I do like straight forward discussions. What is your point exactly with saying there are two different acts.

Are you saying the Word baptize means a different thing in the case of the Holy Spirit?

because if u r not, then u have to lift the Greek meaning of the word and explain to me how it fits into the context of the Holy Spirit.

Funny you have not a single scriptural argument. I have given you some that you refuted.
And I only used your argument against you.
I think you have been sentimental from the beginning but it does not matter.
The Bible belongs to all of us. You dont not expect all the quotations to come from me.
It would be nice if you explain you form of baptism from the Bible also. I would gladly listen and learn from you.

freshboi88:
Baptism of the Holy Spirit does not signify immersion in anyway. One is not immersed in the Holy Spirit, rather one is filled by the Holy Spirit.

I think u should stick to the new testament, scriptural usage of the word baptize rather than the classical Greek meaning of the word.

Cos from its usage to describe the outpouring and overshadowing of Holy Spirit. It clearly has nothing to do with immersion

If you want to be consistent with your argument let's see how it goes.
I agree with you that baptism by the spirit means to be filled by the spirit so from your reasoning baptism by water would mean to be filled with water or simply to drink enough water.
I tried to explain to you that being baptized in water is quite different from being baprized by the Holy Ghost but you continue to compare the two.
If we keep doing that when would it ever make sense.
I thinks it's clear enough, baptism mean to immerse.
Baptism by water is a physical act of dipping in water.
Baptism by the spirit is a spiritual act. No physical action is needed one if filled with the spirit.
2 different acts.

worldfezzy:
Water baptism is different from the baptism of the Holy Spirit. They are two different topics. So don't miss them up Sir.

I am not. I know their difference. I am only trying to explain the meating of baptism.
If you read all my earlier comments, you should understand where I am coming from.

We could make this simple, since you don't agree that baptism means to immerse and according to you, the bible never told us what baptism means then it's best you don't do what you don't know.
From what you are saying, the act of baptism has been lost. No one can tell what it is or how it was done.
Note pls since baptism actually means to immerse, the scripture wouldn't say baptism by immersion.. it would be like saying immersion by immersion
And I agree with you to an extent, a lot of gospel practice's were lost or changed after the death of Christ and his apostles.
Baptism clearly was one of them.
I choose to believe baptism for what it is, to dip or immense. I choose not to get confused and to follow the example of Jesus Christ.
And as I tried to explain the other time, if you describe baptism of the Holy Ghost as been dipped or covered by the Holy Ghost, you would be perfectly right. Baptism by water then becomes simple for you to understand as being dipped or covered by water

Question for you,how do you think Jesus was baptized?

freshboi88:
1.The presence of water does not mean that immersion took place. You are making assumptions and putting your own interpretation.

2. Matt 3:16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him.

@ bolded shows that you are making another assumption. Because if you read without bias you will see clearly that the coming up out of the water does not imply immersion. This is because coming up out of the water happened after the baptism had taken place. Pretty Clear!!!!

As soon as Jesus was Baptized. Baptized is a past tense. Indicating that an event has already taken place.

To me this is clear, he came up out of the water simply because he was dipped into the water. How much clearner can that be. If water was sprinkled on his head he wouldn't need to come up from that would he?

Or do you have another definition for bsptism?

Now if you choose to translate baptism of the Holy Ghost as being immersed in the spirit, I would not question that.
You keep asking where baptism by immersion is mentioned but the very word means immersion.

freshboi88:
You cannot say that is a different topic because the same word is used "Baptize". So why does scripture use baptize for for the Holy Spirit when there is no action of dipping or immersing.....do you get the point?.......I am coming from the angle of the meaning of the word and why it is used in that context

But what was the example of the savior, was his baptism by immersion?....can u provide scriptural proof that his baptism was by immersion?

Your question is already answered
BAPTIZO
The word "Baptism" is a transliteration of the Greek word BAPTIZO which means to immerse. So that should satisfy you. But if you are not, do your own study.

In my first post, I quoted Ephesians 4.5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
If u understand this verse, you would know that Christ did not institute various modes of baptism. It was man that did. He did not command one church to sprinkle and another to make the sign of the cross.
Now why is this important?
Paul taught the corinthians in 1cor1.9-10God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.

10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
As Christians their should be no divisions we are to be of the same mind... the same teaches and doctrines. Perfectly joined together
In Christianity, we do not have 2 forms of baptism

Read also Romans 6.4
Colossians 2.12
Acts 3.38... tells you that they went down into the water to be baptized
Why do you think John choose River Jordan to baptize? John 3.23 states it's because there was much water. He did not need much water to sprinkle did he? And we learn from Mark1.10 And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him:
Here we learn Christ was coming up out of the water...do you need more to understand that he was dipped.
So I ask you, would you follow the example of Jesus Christ or choose to follow some Christian denomination? Who would you follow.
I do not think any church has the right to change the ordinances of God. What do you think?

freshboi88:
But if we are going by the meaning of baptism. Does that meaning also apply to Baptism of the Holy Spirit?.....

Where is the Holy Spirit dipping into

That is a different topic. Remember a man must be born first by water and then by the Holy Ghost.
Baptism by water means to be dipped into water while baptism of the Holy Ghost is done by the laying of hands by the presbytery.
I guess it's really simple to understand
Come to think of it, when Jesus sent outo his apostles to baptize do you think each was baptizing according to his own style. Maybe Peter would be making the sign of the cross with water, Paul would be sprinkling and James would be giving people water to drink?
No, they all followed the examples of the Savior. I wonder why modern Christian's must change the ordinances of Christ.
Read Isaiah 24.5 to see the curse that follows changing the ordinances of God.

You are so right. But that's the thing, you don't really know. You are just guessing.
We can't depend on guess work in our journey to finding God

Baptism comes from a Greek word that means to dip or immense.
It is a symbol of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ.
One is dipped into the water to represent death and burial and raised from the water to represent resurrection.
As Christians we do not choose or invent our own ordinances we follow the example of Jesus Christ.
Ephesians 4.5 One Lord, one faith and one baptism.
We can't be baptizing in different ways

nonoski:
Well Major General Adeniyi should have known better. He should have written a strongly worded letter to the Chain of command instead.

A military officer has a duty bound code, he can not choose not to like it after attaining a prestigious rank of Major General - the highest rank of career army officer (equivalent of Director in Civil Service).

That been said I still support his actions

I think you are very wrong. This man is a true solider.
A general in battle with his men.
He did what every patriot should do. He tried to expose corruption and incompetence.
He is not like the other generals that grow fat from the death of their men.
We cannot condemn true bravery.
May God give us more men like this.
Imagine what would happen if half of the Nigerian army were this brave.

Jones4190:
No because the scripture says you should not appear in God present empty handed

. This is pure apostasy. No verse in the bible said you should bring money to church or your should pay offerings every sunday. You are writing your own bibble.
It's teachings like these that make people stay home when they are broke.
Jesus Christ did not drive away the poor. The church is not only for those who can donate, it's for everyone.
What are we turning Christianity into.
How much do you need to buy salvation? Since coming to church is all about money.

Like every sin, it differs from person to person. We all don't have the same weaknesses

Pls let's not add or subtract from the bible. No single verse in the bible talks about praying in tongues.
No at anytime did Jesus or any of hi's followers pray in tongues. Revelations 22.18For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Most modern Christian's have added new, strange practice's to the religion

grandlexuz:
Ignoramus

Now you have insulted me u can now sleep at night abi

Most people making comments know next to nothing of the Michael FLynn case. During the 2016 election campaign, the Obama administration spies on Trump campaign looking for links to russia this led to a full investigation that lasted 3 years into trumps administration.
Nothing was found on trump or his team.
Michael Flynn is one of the targets of the witch hunt.
The information is out there for all to read. So before you start insulting trump, a little reading would do.
I suggest you begin reading about the steele dossier funded by Hilary in a bid to discredit trump

To those of you hating Charly boy, what would you do if you found out that your son or daughter was gay? Wold you kill that child or show much more love?