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Jman24:
Why was othniel not worthy of worship? You used conjectured Bible passages.
But this question I asked you couldn't write even a single passage to make your submission.

You get the joke now
It's all about philosophical ideas

And sorry, maybe I am not that smart, I still don't get the joke

MaxInDHouse:
Wow! I thought you said you're not here to TEACH!

Well you're entitled to your own PERSONAL opinion Sir!

My opinion is the Bible's opinion

Jman24:
Why was othniel not worthy of worship? You used conjectured Bible passages.
But this question I asked you couldn't write even a single passage to make your submission.

You get the joke now
It's all about philosophical ideas

Since you did not understand my answer let me try again. Hopefully you would understand this time.
Christ is not just worshiped because of his atoning sacrifice.
Even before he came to earth he was worshipped.
Our salvation is just another reason.
Even before his mortal life, he was worshiped as Jehovah.
So if you now understand, we worship him because of who he is and not just for salvation save alone.
If you still don't get me, you would need to ask a better question

MaxInDHouse:
You're entitled to your own PERSONAL opinion Sir!

Oga.. not once did I not back my teaches with the bible. I was not the one who claimed that a part of the bible is fake

Jman24:
Hahahaha.. but you were shouting ask ask
It's now a tricky question.
My question is in line ..check through again

I just answered your question. Or are you not satisfied

MaxInDHouse:
Regarding FAITH our Master, Lord and King knows everything so we are to TEACH others, of course i can learn a better way of maintaining my car from you but definitely not about my God!

I am not here to teach or preach. To me, this is all about ideas. In fact discussing with must of you have only affirmed my beliefs.
And as one who is interested in other religions, I have learnt a few things about your religion and it's people.
I am also seeing how the strength of your religion at the face of a strong bible discussion.
What I enjoyed most was you started with a strong bible base but ended discrediting more than half of the bible.
It's actually very funny.

Jman24:
Okay let's assume Christ is the creator and was recorded that among his commandments were "thou shall not kill".. how come that same creator needed a murderer to die for the world thereby violating his own law to man?

Please it's a straight question.. no too much story

This is obviously a trick question that has nothing to do with the topic.
But let's simply say, for the will of God to come to pass, there must be both good and bad. Without sin, there can be no salvation

Jman24:
That was written by human beings

So basically we have been wasting our time arguing from the Bible.
According to you, we cannot rely on the bible. So why have you been quoting the bible to me

MaxInDHouse:
God dealt with the Israelites using prophets beginning with Moses who wrote the first five books. The reason why the book was splitted into two segments was because what those who lived before Jesus thought about God differs from what Jesus said about his father. That's why his own people (Jews) finds it hard to accept that it's the same God who sent this man.

Of course God spoke with Moses directly not through dreams, visions or signs like other prophets {Numbers 12:8} but the idea that Moses saw God face to face is not INACCURATE {Exodus 33:20} that is why God inspired Apostle John to correct that notion. John 1:18

There are many of such instances we are the only people that can TEACH you all these secrets but if you want to turn it into some debate of no profitable end, then we'll take our leave to continue our search for those who are anxious to learn from us! Matthew 10:6

Now let me get you clearly,
According to you, Moses thought that he saw God but he did not know what he saw.
Same for Isaiah and Solomon right?
So we doubt these guys records.
So according to you and your organization, the old testament can't be trusted aND is not reliable.
First you are totally wrong
Moses was a born again. Remember, except a man is born again, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. How come Moses entered the kingdom of God.
Moses like John was a witness of Jehovah /Jesus Christ.

Jman24:
Nothing is consistent from that same book
Let's be sincere to ourselves

Now you discredit the bible

Jman24:
There is no need to receive conjectured answers
Let's be realistic

What do you mean. Ask your question please.

MaxInDHouse:
Please don't be offended!
I only spoke our language to my own brother in faith {Zephaniah 3:9} JW Organization is just one out of over 41,000 religious groups out there claiming denominations in Christianity.
Please do well to exchange ideas with the others who feel like exchanging ideas with you, our own teachings is not for interchange, we don't practice interfaith, if you don't agree with us what we were asked to do is TAKE OUR LEAVE! Matthew 10:13

Funny you suddenly don't exchange ideas. Did that start today?

MaxInDHouse:
@highlighted
I think Moses was a man! John 1:18
The man who penned down what i cited up there is one of the followers of Christ, and by the time he was writing it he has become a Born Again Christians!
I believe he knows the TRUTH {John 14:6} better than the writer who thought Moses saw God face to face!
So soothe yourself Sir!

Your point here discredits the bible. You believe John''s writing to be correct and Moses false.
So if we assume Moses and all the other writers of the old testament were not born again then the real bible starts from the new testament. Is that your point

MaxInDHouse:
Philippians 2:2; 1Timothy 6:4; Titus 3:9

Just have a think, if we all were like you, ready to run as soon as anyone challenge's our faith with scripture.
I never say your religion is wrong or bad, only that it is incomplete and I can add a little more to the truths you already have.

MaxInDHouse:
Philippians 2:2; 1Timothy 6:4; Titus 3:9

Lol.. I can imagine your excitement the first time someone showed you Titus 3.9
You couldn't wait to use it on another person.
It's your game changer

MaxInDHouse:
Matthew 10:13

I have seen you enjoy yourself on nairaland when you thought the argument was in your favour so don't pull the Matthew 10.13 now.
Like most religious, yours is incomplete so if you don't to answerve questions, you shouldn't be in a forum with people outside your faith.

MaxInDHouse:
Matthew 10:13

Don't you get it?
My bible also has Matthew 10.13
So enough with the hypocrisy already.
You expect the rest of the world to accept your faith, no questionsecrets asked. How does that even work?

MaxInDHouse:
The rich man in Jesus' illustration dearly wanted Lazarus to cool his thirst {Luke 16:24} his five brothers are still out there criticizing Moses and the prophets {Luke 16:29} they are confused and scattered {Luke 11:23} so even though they want to relate as brothers in the same faith they're not in agreement due to the rebellious spirit living in them! Luke 16:28

Haddeylium my brother, God's holy spirit has given us the wisdom to identify procrastinators, no amount of the dew can quench his thirst, so why not live him with his other (five) brothers? Luke 16:28
Let them solve the problem they created within themselves due to their Love for TRINITY! Matthew 7:6
Remember how precious our time is! Ephesians 5:15-17

Wow.. I can't believe your arrogance. This is a public forum where people share opinions, and ideas and are free to disagree

Who gave you the idea that you are coming here to save anyone.
Oh, you thought that when you wrote a post, everyone would automatically come over to your church?
Nna, that isn't how it works.
I noticed you hate any kind of opposition. You love people who wouldn't engage you and challenge your beliefs.
When you come across any real challenge, you get frustrated.
I am sure that you believe your doctrine is Superior, but so does almost everyone here. And you must have noticed that many of us here understand the bible so you can't just woo anyone with a verse or two.
My brother, don't be discouraged. Your religion has some good in it yet it isn't perfect. It does not answer all questions.

Jman24:
Hmmm. Intelligent question
And some are already grasping for breath
Quoting all sorts of conjectures

Wow, the entire Squad is ready to eat me raw.
Oga take it easy. You have no question that I can't easily answer. I just don't know the question he is referring to

Jman24:
. Christ is the creator of heaven .. now born to us in flesh after creating fleshy Adam and Eve.

You ended up mocking the creator..

That's your opinion. If you think the bible is mocking Christ.
Without him was nothing made that was made. Again the bible teaches that the word became flesh.
You should have noticed by now. Everything I say is consistent with the verses of the bible

haddeylium:
You missed my point.
I modified it.
check it again

So sorry, I am not sure I see what you modified. Resend please

haddeylium:
You missed my point.
I modified it.
check it again

Thanks for quoting Phi 2.
so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend—of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground+— 11 and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord+ to the glory of God the Father.

We all wor ship Christ everyone, both in heaven and earth

haddeylium:
It's not about quoting scriptures.
The important thing is, do you understand it?

Jesus was exalted by his God 'Jehovah' to the position of 'king of king', 'Lord of Lord' over all the earthly ruler .. (Php 2:9-11)


Now, go back and answer the question.
Why is Othniel not worthy of your worship. Address this

Now don't forget, he said his kingdom is not of this world..
And that is why we worship him.
Isaiah 9.7
To the increase of his rulership*
And to peace, there will be no end,+
On the throne of David+ and on his kingdom
In order to establish it firmly+ and to sustain it
Through justice+ and righteousness,+
From now on and forever.
The zeal of Jehovah of armies will do this

haddeylium:
But not heavenly Father that should be worshipped right?

Jehovah is not Heavenly Father. Do we worship him? Depends on the version of bible you read, the answer is yes
Matthew 28.18
And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
He holds all authority.
But then let me ask, when you say worship, what do you mean

haddeylium:
The Eras of those Saviour have passed.

Let just Go back in time to Othniel days .
Othniel was sent by Jehovah to God's people. If it happens you're alive then .
Would Othniel be worthy of your worship?

Revelations 19.12-16

His eyes are a fiery flame,+ and on his head are many diadems.* He has a name written that no one knows but he himself, 13 and he is clothed with an outer garment stained* with blood, and he is called by the name The Word+ of God. 14 Also, the armies in heaven were following him on white horses, and they were clothed in white, clean, fine linen. 15 And out of his mouth protrudes a sharp, long sword+ with which to strike the nations, and he will shepherd them with a rod of iron.+ Moreover, he treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty.+ 16 On his outer garment, yes, on his thigh, he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords.
This is who Christ is and why we worship him. Listen to his titles, King of Kings and Lord of lords, these are Jehovah's titles. That is who he is

haddeylium:
The Eras of those Saviour have passed.

Let just Go back in time to Othniel days .
Othniel was sent by Jehovah to God's people. If it happens you're alive then .
Would Othniel be worthy of your worship?

Like I said, Christ is our heavenly king.

haddeylium:
The Eras of those Saviour have passed.

Let just Go back in time to Othniel days .
Othniel was sent by Jehovah to God's people. If it happens you're alive then .
Would Othniel be worthy of your worship?

Read my last 2 post I just answered this question

haddeylium:
You'll shortly.

Why is Othniel not worthy of your worship as a Saviour?
Remember, he was Sent just as Jesus was sent by Jehovah.

Don't you get it, in the scriptures, Christ speaks of his kingdom. He rules over us. And he paid the ultimate price for our soul.

haddeylium:
You'll shortly.

Why is Othniel not worthy of your worship as a Saviour?
Remember, he was Sent just as Jesus was sent by Jehovah.

Good question. We worship Christ because he is the Great Jehovah. The creature of heaven and earth. For a child has been born to us,+
A son has been given to us;
And the rulership* will rest on his shoulder.+
His name will be called Wonderful Counselor,+ Mighty God,+ Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.
He is our great king and leader. That is why we worship him

haddeylium:
I like the spot you are right now


So, now the Bible now classified Saviour. A Saviour is not a Saviour again
Rest ahbegg

Othniel was sent as saviour to people that show believe in God's directive.
Jesus was sent as Saviour by Jehovah to people that excercise faith in him!.

So, you would worshipped Othniel right?.. Yess

I feel you are trying to make a point but maybe you are not properly expressing yourself.
Are you tying to ask me why I don't worship other saviours?

haddeylium:
I like the spot you are right now


So, now the Bible now classified Saviour. A Saviour is not a Saviour again
Rest ahbegg

Othniel was sent as saviour to people that show believe in God's directive.
Jesus was sent as Saviour by Jehovah to people that excercise faith in him!.

So, you would worshipped Othniel right?.. Yess

I don't even understand your point. You have to clearly state your point. We were never told to worship everyone that saves us.
So what is your point.
And like you, I also like my spot

Janosky:
Who sent that angel?
Is the kernel of both message different?

Clearly both are different times. You read verses where an angel was sent and other verses when Jehovah came himself. Do you doubt the bible.
You realize I did not write these things right?