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@nuru,

Yep, we'd be looking forward to yours.

This sounds promising. 

@Nestle,

I'm inclined to agree with you on your summations. And now the question:

Nestle:
D QUESTION NOW IS, HOW CAN ONE KNOW HIS/HER TALENT

One's talent becomes conspicuous by constant application and use. Take, for instance, if I desire so much to become an accomplished guitarist (for whatever reason), after several attempts I may play the guitar quite reasonably; but that may not be my forte. One sure way I've come to know where I shine is by constantly applying myself to a range of interests and see how far I go in particular issues.

So, the answer would be - apply yourself in the things that draw your interest; and as you make impact in those, you will discover something of your talent. I have a friend who took to cooking; and even though in school we teased him about taking a "woman's thing", he has become an accomplished chef and runs a restaurant in Florida (where I hang out in summer for free food!)

God bless and increase your talents.

dtellb@yahoo.com

The Bible IS complete.

@frosbel,

Do you care to explicate a little on your post? Thanks.

@Horus,

Horus:
Neither, because there were no numbers in the original Hebrew bible.

When did the Hebrew numbering system begin?

Horus:
which is the zero (0) that was invented by the Arabs.

When did the Arabs "invent" the zero (0)?

Horus:
Therefore, in actuality, Jesus still didn't get to heaven. There's no way he could be on his way back.

Where then did Jesus get to?

@Horus,

Horus:
Neither, because there were no numbers in the original Hebrew bible.

When did the Hebrew numbering system begin?

Horus:
which is the zero (0) that was invented by the Arabs.

When did the Arabs "invent" the zero (0)?

It is not that simplistic. One of the lessons Daniel 3 teaches is that not "all kinds of music" are glorifying to God (see vs. 5). More than the type of music, it is the source and power behind the music that a believer should be quite focused on. Where the Holy Spirit empowers worship and music, there God is glorified.

Jesus was crucified, and I'm thankful for that. More than the Crucifixion, He is alive - and I'm doubly grateful for that.

Who are the orthodox Muslims?

Where did you get the idea that the Jehovah Witnesses are like the monks?

Horus:
This goes to show you that the image of Jesus with long hair could not be the true image of the true Son of God, Jesus Christ.

It is enough that you confessed that and acknowledged Him as "the true Son of God, Jesus Christ". After that, it does not really matter that you come back to deny your confession and seek to misrepresent Him by offering another 'Jesus'.

What you next should understand is that the Book of Revelation was given in symbolic language; and the references you're quoting were not meant to be taken literally.

@Horus,

Horus:
Neither, because there were no numbers in the original Hebrew bible.

When did the Hebrew numbering system begin?

Horus:
which is the zero (0) that was invented by the Arabs.

When did the Arabs "invent" the zero (0)?

@Horus,

Horus:
This sarcasm is enought i DID WARNED YOU I will not forgive this Death Threat because if you was intelligent you would use Facts to talk and not insults sarcasms or DEATH THREAT .
The complaint will be registered today to the Police i do not have choice with such EGO.

Please do as you please. Thanks.

@dakmanzero,

dakmanzero:
1) So Paul was a Jew. Thanks for the Clarification.

No worries.  

dakmanzero:
2) As for the issue of warfare.

a) You misread my question. I asked, has any non-european army gone to war under the banner of Christianity. Non-european excludes armies that are under the thrall of a conquering European Army.

Certainly, I'm not so sure on this point actually. The reason is because the sources I'm reviewing at the moment are divided either way: some say yes, others say no. I'll want to look deeper into the persuasions behind each before I take a stand.

dakmanzero:
b) For simplicity's sake, let's assume that any army that claims allegiance to a certain religious cause in a martial fashion, is going to war under that banner. This would include armies that claim 'Jihad' and ignore the principles of Islam, and armies that claim the christian cross, yet have ulterior motives.

Precisely. And that's why I'm still looking at the issue, although I have a plethora of references on this. For me, really, the point is not the mere claim. Rather, I usually hold the claims to a context and see if it actually is germane to the cause before satisfying my heart on what I state publicly. This is why I post on fora confidently that I know what I'm talking about.

At this point, dakmanzero, I do not have the confidence to just make statements out of convenience. And I trust you'd bear with me on that.

dakmanzero:
This will not include armies that place a cross ***intended to be something other than the christian cross*** upon their banners.

Glad you have the insight to see that. Thanks.

Horus:
[size=19pt]The Death Threat was serious and will be reported to ALL legals services[/size]

Oh, I see. Here: I live in the UK, will be in London this weekend standing at the subway entrance (whichever you choose). If you are man enough, come there and we'll slug it out!

dakmanzero:
@Horus

The death threat was not serious. Please stop mentioning it.

I wonder. And here:

@ Horus,

I didn't make any death threats to you, or insinuate it. If it makes you feel any better to apologise, then here:


                                      I Apologise!!

Feel better now? So, can we face issues and make sense out of them instead of seeking desperately to slobber Christianity with just about anything derogatory you can lay your hands on??

@mimiko,

Welcome on board. Are you a muslim? If you are, could you please seek to address this question for me:

        Is it true that EVERY Muslim will enter HELL fire?

      Are they told how to get out of HELL alive after they've entered into it?



Thanks. 

@Horus,

Horus:
I did mention that it is a Film. Can you stop your insults because it will end up with Police as i still do not forgive your DEATH THREAT.

I saw that you mentioned that it is a FILM; and also that you dressed your ideas around that FILM to draw the inference that it "exposes it for what it really is…a fallacy".

If you're happy to call others liars (as you did in your post), what is the DEATH THREAT that is shaking you in your boots for calling your attention to the games you've been playing?

if you're here for an intelligent discussion, do so. If you want it otherwise, be my guest. I'm off work today and will gladly oblige you.

@dakmanzero,

dakmanzero:
First of all, please don't attribute anything I say to the Da Vinci code or any other such mainstream nonsense. I know the assertion was with tongue in cheek, but in my opinion the DVC has done more to stifle objective views of religion than anything else it may have achieved, and mentioning muddies the waters of understanding.

Okay, I'm sorry to have alluded to the DVC only as a hanger from where the thought of the Constantine myopia has been popularized.

dakmanzero:
The origins of Christianity are middle eastern most definitely, with the Messiah and his disciples all being of middle eastern persuasion.

However, Paul was Roman (European)- and arguably, christianity came from him.

You're still making the same mistake. First, that Paul was a Roman citizen was simply because he was born in Rome:

Then the chief captain came, and said unto him, Tell me, art thou a Roman? He said,
Yea. And the chief captain answered, With a great sum obtained I this freedom.
And Paul said, But I was free born." (Acts 22:27-28).

However, in several instances Paul had openly declared that he was a Jew:

"I am verily a man which am a Jew, born in Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, yet brought up in
this city at the feet of Gamaliel, and taught according to the perfect manner of the law
of the fathers, and was zealous toward God, as ye all are this day." (Acts 22:3)

But Paul said, I am a man which am a Jew of Tarsus, a city in Cilicia, a citizen of no
mean city: and, I beseech thee, suffer me to speak unto the people. (Acts 21:39)

I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite,
of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. (Rom. 11:1)

Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew
of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee. (Php. 3:5)

Even today, many Jews are born outside of the nation Israel; but that does not mean that they therefore lose their true identity as Jews. So, that Paul was a free-born of Rome did not mean that he didn't have a claim to his true national identity as an Israelite/Jew.

Secondly, Christianity predated Paul, and he himself noted that in several texts. He had persecuted Christians who believed in Jesus Christ before himself (Php. 3:6); and also made reference to those who were apostles before him (Gal. 1:17). He, no doubt had a great influence on the Christian faith (I Cor. 3: 10); but it is inaccurate to assume that Paul was the founder of Christianity.

dakmanzero:
Can modern Christianity trace its roots to the Roman Catholic church? That was European.

Again, it all depends on what you mean by "modern Christianity". Christianity in itself predated Catholicism.

dakmanzero:
In history, has a non-european army (or one that was not previously conquered by europeans) gone to war under the banner of Christianity?

If your question is trying to force the idea that every european army went to war as Christians, you'd be promoting the age-old propaganda that ignores core issues in warfare. Wars have been fought under various banners and for several political reasons. A few examples:

The four Anglo-Dutch Wars between 1652-1783  {[a] 1652-1654; [b.] 1664-1667; [c] 1672-1674; [d] 1779-1783}
The fourth Anglo-Dutch war was a part of the larger American Revolution; and also involved Sapin,
the United States and France against Britain.

The Anglo-French Wars between 1109-1303, which most historians break down into nine distinct periods.

The Hapsburg Empire (Austria-Hungary) Wars from 1815 to 1918

The French-Italy Wars between 1492 - 1516

. . .and many other series of European wars.

The question here is: has it been the case that every European war fought by its various armies have been done on the basis of promoting authentic Christianity? Indeed, some went under the banner of the 'cross' - but what really were those symbols of the 'crosses' mean? I am bemused that so many people are wont to buy into the idea that just because anything has a cross symbol, it just should be taken as a "Christian" thing wholesale. I usually tease my friends with that ribald idea by asking them if the British Airways is a "Christian" airline simply because its symbol is a 'cross'.

If we carefully contextualize what those wars were fought for, and the ideologies that sparked them, we shall come to terms with what has been often mistaken as "Christian Wars" under the banner of the "Cross".

dakmanzero:
PS: All my points are open to constructive criticism and intelligent argument. Please let's keep the personal attacks and insults to a minimum.

Which is what I've been looking forward to. It really gets us nowhere to mudsling people (whether they are white or black, pink or orange) and castigate Christianity in the name of debating issues. Thanks for that.

@Horus,

It's a new day and it really doesn't help to cheat your readers by trying to play the buck of taking your Christianity from a movie. The Last temptation does not represent Christianity, nor is it consistent with the gist of your preceding arguments.

Your desperate attempt to mudsling Christianity with just about anything you find derogatory is not promoting your scholarship. If anything at all, it makes me all the more lose respect for people who pretend to be fighting for the Black cause, and yet debasing their IQ in the process.

Your assertions (read 'propaganda') have been skirting round issues when brought to light. The several questions offered you still await your answers; your clutching at so-called "research" that mixes up the melanin issue has been ignored by you. When 'Black' people act the way you're doing, they become victims of their own illusion - and it is a miracle that illusion has hung onto the blame-game for 500 years (according to the originator of this thread)!

Do I hate blacks? Not at all. But I have no respect for Blacks who can't afford to come to terms with their sob self-defeating utopia.

Forget it - it won't come. Perhaps he knew that question would make him see how futile were his suppositions.

@dakmanzero,

I would do so when I understand the context of your question:

dakmanzero:
You do realise that Christianity is, indeed, an european religion- even though its traditions are middle eastern.

That Christianity is an european religion is simply not true. One should ask what that question connotes before assuming that is the case.

@KAG,

KAG:

Crap: This is coming from their Bible:blond hair blues eyes cannot give birth to dark brown people.They cannot reproduce melanin because melanin is not encoded in their DNA.

Actually, white people have melanin too.

True talk.


Could I ask Horus to please read the article on melalin in humans on Wikipedia.

In humans, melanin is found in skin, hair, the pigmented tissue underlying the iris, the medulla
and zona reticularis of the adrenal gland, the stria vascularis of the inner ear, and in pigment
bearing neurons of certain deep brain nuclei such as the locus ceruleus and the substantia nigra.
Melanin is the primary determinant of human skin color

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melanin#Melanin_in_humans

Hey you two!


yes, YOU both! . . . vamoose from there and let's count the scores!

dakmanzero:
You do realise that Christianity is, indeed, an european religion- even though its traditions are middle eastern.

If by "european" you mean "caucasian", then absolutely NO. And that it has its traditions from the Middle East should speak volumes to us about its origin.

dakmanzero:
Christianity in its present day form is the direct descendant of the religion of Constantine, ne?

No. Lol, simply No. Unless the scientists among us take their science lessons from Star Trek; and the historians among us take their lessons from Dan Brown's Da Vinci Code!

But your assumptions are simple inaccurate.

dakmanzero:
What are your views on this?

In one sentence, if we can contextually and correctly place the Jews in their rightly place among the races, the answers will be obvious. Christianity is not the white man's religion. If the call is to set it aside, then I just would like to ask: and then what in its place??

Lol @dakmanzero,

_{I just hate it at this time of day when I'm constantly logged off the net!}

Anyhow,

dakmanzero:
Well, Now that the whole racist/non-racist issue is cleared up, what do you feel about the idea of Christianity and Islam as imported religions?

The basic question is: where did Christianity originate from - Europe among the caucasians?

And what about Islam - did it originate from among the caucasians well?

I think it is rather a pity that choleric minds simply can't see this issue before referring to either faiths/religions as belonging to or originating from the "white man".

If, on the other hand, Blacks were first to populate "the entire planet" before the emergence of "other races", then common sense requires that we acknowledge the fact that those whites who came from among Blacks are brothers. To complain against whites today is to carry on other people's quarrels and make them our own in the 21st century.

Did the whites receive knowledge from us Blacks? If they did, they also must have received religious knowledge as well. That being the case, we gave them what today we are grumbling about!

There is just no contest here. At every point that we debate this issue, we ought to ask where the blame-game has got us after 500 years or so; and where it is taking us. If we cannot read issues for what they are without the racist pigmentation in our eyes, we as a Balck race will continue to dance to our own pity-party and get nowhere.

dakmanzero:
Whites are not more advanced than us. Chill out, my guy. People with your kind of zeal just provide entertainment for those that are not serious. THEY will just teasu you and enjoy your frustration.

Of course, we're serious!

Questions were offered to make him see reason; but since he would rather have none of it, his self-defeating premises were simply entertainment one and all! I enjoyed the frustration while it lasted; and if he wants my location, I also offered I'm in the UK and would take the extra trouble to visit him in London if he wants. For real!

@Horus,

Horus:
No i did say that i do not hate Caucasians,but you can see how Telly B HATE Blacks people ,in ALL his post you will never found anything positive about Blacks

I don't hate Blacks or White. My posts have been about issues and not skin colour. Cheating with statements like this isn't helping you as a Black; and if I haven't noticed anything positive about Blacks, I certainly am ashamed that such seething racist statements could be coming from you as a Black.

Horus:
You see,the Paleman (Caucasian) wants you to think that he is the original man so that he can be superior to you. Through his educational system and the media. The Paleman is able to perpetuate that superior image of himself by disguising it as history. Yet, we know that his-story is just that, his-lie (as in “told a story”). This is why when Africans who realize that they have been lied to for the past 400-plus years, begin to speak about the true African history – the Paleman and his blacks brainwashed servant calls us racists.Just look at the post on this forum.

Thanks for the dribbling around your slober of others as "brainwashed". How has your own version of history after 400-plus-years helped you as a balanced thinking Black? When have Blacks who think like you left the blame-game and made something from within their own ranks? Rather, other Blacks who have thrown the pity-party in the bin have used the same education and tools of advancement to better their lot!

That is why I am not ashamed to state that if my Black brothers cannot think for themselves beyond this silly bootlicking game of blaming other races for their perceived woes, they can go hang themselves so the world can celebrate their absence.

@dakmanzero,

Sorry, had to log out earlier due to technical hitches.

dakmanzero:
TellyB, I didnt know you hated your own race so much.

No, I don't hate my own race. If anything at all, I've stated severally that I'm proud to be Black. But that shouldn't morph into me being racist at the other end of the pendulum and read issues backwards. That is like asking me to be a Black racist against Whites simply because some people just have issues against what they term "the white man's religion".

dakmanzero:
But tellyb, do u really hate your own people so much?

I have stated that I don't.

dakmanzero:
That youtube video was totally uncalled for. The violence and atrocities have nothing to do with race and everything to do with the individuals.

The pictures posted by Horus - what should warrant posting such and then pretending that Blacks haven't been that savage themselves without the white man's help? We're only pretending that our woes must ALL be blamed on skin colour - and that was why I posted the link of the savages that some of you guys pretend is virtually unknown among ourselves.

dakmanzero:
And I do not agree that christianity saved blacks from hopelessness. Far from it.

That may be your persuasion. I'm grateful for what the Gospel of Jesus Christ has done for me. And no, nobody threatened to lynch me on a tree!

dakmanzero:
I also do not agree that whites are responsible for our problems.

Which is precisely the point I've been patiently trying to drum bring home to the seething racist behaviour demonstrated so far by those who can't come to terms with their own misgivings.

@Horus,

Horus:
Crap: This is coming from their Bible:

I'll give you time to unknot yourself. You're beginning to sound really hollow when discussing like this because you haven't taken time to read the article. Please go their and refer me to the line that states such was coming from the Bible.

When you've exhausted yourself, I'll help you think through issues minus the racist skits you've been rehearsing.


@dakmanzero,

Abeg help me tell am. The whole argument he's presenting sounds so laughable. It's like blaming whites for black spittle!