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ZIONIA:
Can't you take ajoke man.You really need a shrink. If you feel so bad about what the white man did to the black race you could come down to africa and do some mining;we have enough diamonds, gold and oil to buy back "our lands" in europe and america. Then you can clonize the white race and pay them back in their own coin. Sound good enough for you??

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ZIONIA:
@tellyb
Just cuoldn't resist D brova was goin loco

Well, I had hoped we could keep winding him up just a little more! Even at that, he doesn't seem to get it! After how many years of being in a white man's land!!  

@mukina2,

mukina2:
@Telly B and David

i see you have turned the thread in to your own personal crusade uh?

Nope.

mukina2:
you can say all you want,Just know that Muslims are not terrorist and wiill never be.

I don't remember having accused them of such. My posts can be defended from Islam's holy books, and anyone who doesn't take me seriously can go check the references I leave or simply read magazines.

Throughout my coming on board, I have sought only one thing - balance. I don't care who is posting what, as long as people face issues - which is what I've often tried to maintain. This idea that people now have to read me for what I'm not is not going to pass with the snap of fingers.

Let me reveal a secret: the only time you won't see me reply a post directly is when the person is being unreasonable playing the name-calling games. This is the reason why I cautioned babs787 about his tit-for-tat, and if he had continued, Muslims would sure have hated their own religion!

I have nothing against you or anyone. You can see from my previous posts here and in other threads. I do hope that those who have issues with you have got your message in starting this thread.

Cheers.

@bolaoni,

bolaoni:
You seem to even know more than God to defend Him.

No. Neither do you.

bolaoni:
I am sure people like you worked for your salvation, right?

Wrong.

bolaoni:
Whatever happened to the word GRACE?

It's still there - in the Bible.

bolaoni:
I am sure if people like you had being around while Jesus was wining
and dining with the Republicans, you would have castigated him for doing so.

Thanks for your accusation. May I know who the Republicans were back in Jesus' time?

bolaoni:
Whether you point out issues in the quran or any other book doesn't
mean they will be changed. What has been written has been, NOTHING you or
anyone can do about it.

Sorry, I'm not trying to change the Qur'an. They already said their Torah and Injil are lost and cannot be found.

bolaoni:
I want to point this out, YOU ARE BETTER OFF THAN NO ONE. JUST THANK
GOD FOR HIS GRACE UPON YOUR LIFE! THAT IS ALL YOU ARE ENJOYING

Amen.

bolaoni:
So don't just come here posting theology for us all.

Thanks again. Ignore my posts if you don't like them - because you really don't have to, just incase they put you where you don't belong.

bolaoni:
I may not know the basis of your war with muki or any other person, but if
you claim to be a Christian, then let all sleeping dogs lie abeg.

I don't have a war with muki - or any other person for that matter. And if this is your way of trying to muzzle exchange of issues from Christians, it simply just went out the window.

bolaoni:
At least that is what our master teach us. Blessed are the peace makers (not rabble rousers)

Indeed. Peace makers don't accuse others with name-callers as you do; so you simply have preached to yourself, NO?  

Horus:
@ZIONIAWhat do you mean in this post??
Can you explain to me with ACCURACY??

Oh bother!  

M-A-N!! You sure take a fright that easily!!

Ok, here's what it means: it is simply a bloggers teasing. People use it in the UK and no one has to ask whether that's mafia!

Here, have a go at me:

Attention ALL whites: here's another sick fellow (a.k.a. "ignorant fool" by the name of TELLY B that MUST be hanged!!

See? Now my location is in the UK! I go die soon, abi??

Get a grip man!  

Now in fair exchange, can we have accurate answers to our questions after the panic measures??

thesilent1:
Telly b, looks like we are in the dog house tonight! lol

Lol, the popo won't hear this!!  

ZIONIA:
Get a grip maan!!! Who the hell wants to kill you!! You really need to stay off the weed!! And for your information I ain't no white man. I'm blacker than you'll ever be.

Oh golly gosh! You spoiler!! We should have kept him going!! Awww. . naughty you!!

@Horus,

Horus:
I Never said that.I said that the person who is sending the death threat (see ZIONIA post) should give me HIS location.Can you read properly??

Oh yes, I read it well. And my response was not implying the narrowness such as you expressed. Meanwhile, why should one give you HIS location?

Horus:
I do not hate caucasians.

Oh, I see. That is why you have often settled your scores simply on skin colour, no??

If this is not asking too much, could you please oblige us asnswers to the germane questions offered already and quit the desperate racist panic you've been demonstrating?

Thanks.  

Yep - that's right. But te hypocrisy of some is not the same thing as providing grounds for "challenging the Lord's prayer". Being challenged by that prayer is one thing; but challenging that prayer is quite another thing!

Hmmm? Everyone in prison necessarily is on death row??

Fellas, abeg una. . . make una talk straight about issues!! E don do for the personal attacks! I dey beg.

Issues exposed will be more effective than throwing stones at people. Can we please show some decorum and deal with the issues please?

Thank you.

Thank you again.


Even if you curse me, I thank you once again!!

@Horus,

If everything for you starts and ends with your misconceptions and misgivings against the white man for simply being "WHITE", then you're only demonstrating how deeply racist you are! Christianity has been perceived as "the white man's religion" by people who don't have their facts right, and have been looking for a perfect excuse to display their perennial and incurable malady.

The issues here are clearly delineated: what hard facts do YOU have for your assertions that Blacks once populated "the entire planet" BEFORE other races?? Where did the other races come from??

These are core concerns that are still begging answers from you; and having failed to provide them, you continue to prove your fallacies by desperately tinkering off your own racist ideology. How, infact, has that helped you take care of your own racist tendencies??

Horus:
I know what you think,but i am NOT Muslim.
Islam and Christianity are 2 religion of the Slave master.

I didn't hint that you were Muslim, as I've read some of your posts. Your misgivings about Christianity and Islam being religions of Slave Masters is only proving that you see yourself as a weak racist.

Horus:
No,i do not panic but can you see the person who posted a death threatare you blind??Panic for what??at least if someone certainly one of your friend is posting death threat,he should give his exact LOCATION.Is it fair??

Sorry, but yes I was and still remain blind to that - as long as you refuse to come to terms with your own insensitivity. That - a death threat?? Don't make me laugh with your loud over-reaction. This is an anonymous forum, so how are people going to know your exact location?

Okay, threaten me just this once and see me laugh in straight guffaws! Horus, your panic measures are not making sense in your posts. We all use those same blogger's teasings. I remember Gwaine using it for babs787 in other threads and the poor fellow (babs) almost collapsed! What's all this over-heated reaction from you now - just because you have not been able to provide sane answers to your assertions about 'ALL scientists'?? Oh puleeeaze!!  

@Horus,

Now a few thoughts for you:

The issue has typically turned from a simple question of whether or not Nigerians should drop Christianity because (as perceived) it is the "white man's religion". The question that follows that is: if one were to be balanced, then what about Islam - since Muhammad is described as a 'white man' in the hadith (Sahih Bukhari, Bk 3, #63)??

This tired, old blame-game against Christianity has often been used by people who themselves are self-defeating in their racist tendencies. Down the line, it is not difficult to notice the switch from religion to racism, while pretending that the white man did this or that to Blacks. I'm a Black, and deeply proud to be one; but I'm not a victim of the black-racist party that settle issues merely on skin colour.

Let's review a few sad events of what black people have done against themselves.

Warning!
Because some of the images are too gory to to be posted here, I would rather leave the links
for readers to view them directly on the websites from where they have been sourced. Some of
the reports are better read as well on their sourced links.


A. Political issues - Black against Black: crimes in Haiti

http://www.haitiaction.net/News/HIP/5_8_5/out/images/12.jpg

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B. Haiti Society - Black against Black: Police Rapes Victim

http://www.greatestcities.com/users/cbray5003/Caribbean/Haiti/

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C. Sudan's Jenjaweed: Review of Mende Nazer's Book

http://www.afrostyly.com/english/afro/news/sudan_genocide.htm

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D. Haiti's Troubles: Blacks Against Their Own People

http://www.alertnet.org/printable.htm?URL=/db/crisisprofiles/HA_UNR.htm

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I could go on and on like this with well over a hundred active links demonstrating Black crimes against their own people without the white man's help! Not only so, but even those that demonstrate how demented some Blacks can be in crimes against whites and animals are sickening.

However, it is rather even more sickening to pretend that the site where you fetch your pictures from are all about crimes perpetrated in the name of Christianity. That is simply reacting out of your racist panic. Go to that same site and see that most of the issues there are politically related!


Aisha and Bankole's Statelessness!

http://www.afrostyly.com/english/afro/interview/aisha_and_bankole_irungu.htm

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Failing to substantiate your assertions and instead launching into the racist bigotry with those pictures of KKK has not really dealt with issues. The question that you still have not answered is your assertion "All scientists are in agreement that Blacks Negroes are the oldest race on the planet." Who are ALL the scientists that are in agreement on this??

Using this thread to vent your racism is not proving the ills you read into Christianity. It rather proves your self-defeating racist ideology.

@Horus,

Horus:
BTelly B,i can see that your white master is posting on this forum to help you.
This is a DEATH THREAT,you will do anything to protect your white master and his Bible.In fact you don't feel any feeling for this innocent Black man hanged for FUN on the picture,your feeling only go toward your white master.

Sorry, but your deep-seated and self-defeating racist ideology is not effective enough to hide the vacuity of thought and careful research in your assertions. Please, preserve whatever is left of your shoddy scholarship and go read the history of the Bible. Come back and cry that you now refer to JEWS as whites and caucasians!!

Horus:
But for this DEATH THREAT, i have to report to it to the Forum administrator.

No stress to me personally; you're demonstrating your panic.

@Horus,

Yeah, right. As if BLACKS have not done worse to themselves in their savages! What about Blacks that keep murdering themselves in Africa over landed properties, resource distributon like the issue of the Niger-delta crises in Nigeria? Take a peep at this clip and see how demented some people can be without the white man's help:

Black savages bake puppy alive!!

                   
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Xmx0lOK1kE

It's easy to scurry round to paste those pictures and blame them on the Bible. Tell me how that has helped you cure your own racism in your previous posts? And then the joke of insinuating that Christianity should be dropped - because even BLACK Christians have been hanging people on trees, yes?

thesilent1:
now, now! lol

Ok, I repent! Sarcasm has been suspended on the Forum till further notice; so I'm out!

Nope; you are actually a genius! 

I have great admiration for people who capture my long thesis in just a few short sentences! Man, you've earned my respects - as do many others I've met on the Forum in such a short time.

It all depends on the contexts one uses the words 'destiny' and 'fate'. I do not believe in the destiny that assumes a denial of one's active choice. If that is the sense in which destiny is implied in some people's idea, then no questions should be asked; because the alternatives to choices would have already been denied.

It is diffiuclt to agree with the idea that one is destined to be rich or poor, educated or a dullard. A serious minded person commiting his life to scholarship soon finds himself educated at some level. No one is destined to be a dullard and remains so even after seriously seeking to gain some level of education.

In another sense, to be destined for something or the other requires some sort of qulification. I look at a talented chap who's good at playing some musical instrument, and I remark out of hand: 'That fellow's destined to be a maestro!' If he takes my out of hand statement and relaxes without continued effort in his talents, he sure would find out I was no prophet making that statement!

@Nicer,

Thanks for your balance. I think my calling attention to certain issues in yours has been fruitful. God bless.

@thesilent1,

I can understand where you're coming from. However, taking just one "general's" style of doing things does not necessarily define the whole spectrum of God's love. If it does, as a Christian I should have been calling for everyone's death - including yours - when I pray! _{(And that is regardless of whether or not I face east when praying as such!)}

Please look into the Bible and see where I'm coming from. That 'God so loved the world' and gave His Son for me does not mean I should define His love by the disceptations of others.

Regards.

@thesilent1,

Two things you've captures so well in what exactly I've been trying to point out to dear Horus:

A.

thesilent1:
i have to say that any thing that brings seperation BASED ON THE COLOUR OF A MAN'S SKIN can not be either good for the whole or fair to all.

B.

thesilent1:
telly b has already asked something about what it says about blacks if we were the "founders" of life and we are still in the same economic condition we currently are in.

Thank you for highlighting them.

@Nicer,

Nicer:
Nairaland should actually be called Islam-bashland. Seriously, the level of Islamophobia on this forum is unprecedented! Initially I tried to discuss on a few threads with some of the most ardent bashers (no names) but when i went through all the other old threads, i realised how hopeless it was to respond to these guys.

It is easy to make such statements because you made up your mind before examining the broad perspectives on both sides.

Nicer:
Mukina, what u should realise is that people who call u names on anonymous forums are cowards. 90% of people cannot say the things the say on anonymous forums, when they are face to face with people.

How you come about that percentage is amazing. I have never been afraid to state my persuasions face to face with anyone I engage in dialogue or debates. And I would still do the same thing if I were to meet YOU Nicer face to face!

Nicer:
That's why the internet is a playground for timid and cowardly people.

Ahh, I see. Does that translate as well as including you - since you're using the internet to post this?

Nicer:
That is not to say u won't find intellectuals here too. (i actually find one of the ardent bashers very sound,really brilliant but again, no names).

I agree wholeheartedly that there are brainy bashers - but it is not perculiarly only CHRISTIANS ALONE that should be accused of this.

Nicer:
So i'll just advise u to ignore the cowards and if they get on your case too much, talk to Seun so he can get 'em off and let the rest of us breathe!

Shikena!

Nicer:
I have no problems with religious criticisms as long as they are constructive and not blasphemous.

Amen. Me too.

@Horus,

Horus:
Unfortunatly some people have been so much brainwhased by the caucasians that they can only rely on sarcasmes and caucasians believe instead of dealing with FACTS.

It is these 'FACTS' I have been asking for in regards to your assumptions. Alleging the brainwashing syndrome against others when you refuse to come to terms with your own has not helped progressed the discussion so far.

Horus:
If you do not believe as a Christian does, you are called crazy. I have debated with Christians many times in an open forum and all of their reasoning is the same; you are a cult if you believe outside of the bible. Thus, I use the bible as proof when debating with Christians. I show them what is written right in their bible in the languages they were originally revealed and they still can’t handle the facts.

And what do you call those who believe outside your own assumptions, even if they were to show you the 'facts' from any language you prefer? I don't see you having been able to handle your own forte.

Horus:
I have said it before and I will say it again, the bible is nothing more than an ancient soap opera. It is filled with hate, death, murder, prostitution, suicide and lust. Look at the many contradictions, errors and non-sense stories that are written in the bible, if you are a Christian, you will realize that you are the crazy person for believing in it, living by it and dying for it.

Against all the bitter hatred you see in the Bible, I don't see how your complaints have made you a better person than the deep-seated and self-defeating racism that have characterised your posts up until now.

@ricadelide,

I appreciate your outlines. Once again, thanks for adding to my understanding.

seun001:
funny,very funny,because this isnt true,even muslims know this.can't start arguing over wot is obvious.

What is not true in the highlighted quote in yours?

@neelsel,

neelsel:
@Telly B, Yes the Jihad will begin if some "mongrels" don't step back in their cage

The purpose of this thread is self-defeating already if we should accept statements like this. I've been called names in my short time here, but simply laughed it off instead of reducing myself to the name-callers' level.

Aiight. The issue here is one of a personal complaint. "I Am Not A Terrorist!", says she; and people have sympathised and empathized.

The idea that discussing issues should necessarily be interpreted as "debasing another's religion" has no substance at all. If people feel that they cannot be questioned or critiqued on certain assumptions, resorting to complaints and/or whimpers is not a healthy alternative to fill the gaps.

God is well capable of 'fighting' His own battles - as though He would have to come down from heaven to preach the Gospel and do the work He has committed to people. Christians fight fallacies with dialogue, apologetics and telling the truth in love; rather than with threats, ignorance or jihad! It is those ideas and assertions against CHRIST and Christianity which we find in Islam's holy books that are being continually challenged!

People have not always done this within the parameters of decency (Christians, Muslims, and non-religious). However, it is a healthy responsibility to continually and intelligently challenge those ideas that call the Jews apes and pigs, and refer to Christians as the worst of creatures - as stated in the Qur'an!

Pretending these issues should not be challenged is the reason why Christians in Muslim countries continue to be persecuted and murdered for no other reason than simply being Christians!

If the point here is to sympathize with Mukina2, we have all done that and even cracked jokes. But to use this as a platform for muzzling dialogue over issues that must be challenged is another way of terrorizing intellect and free speech.

@Horus,

Horus:
Present day authorities, theologians, philosophers, and so-called linguistics of European birth use several of their own languages to control your mind and entrap you in their definitions.

This again falls far short of reality. Victims of dictions are self-made.

Horus:
Remember that their first holy book is the Bible or the Koran,

So which is which? Doesn't this show how people reason out of passion before getting the facts?

Horus:
and their second and most holy book is their dictionary; with these tools, they rule.

So, where were 'Blacks' when 'Whites' were forging their own tools with which to rule?

Horus:
They can decide what is true and what is false, and they can make a learnt man, look like a fool, or a liar, because they are unquestionable.

Great minds are not gullible; and across board, people have questioned certain ideologies using the same tools of scholarship - whether dictionaries, encyclopedia, etc. Even Christians today continue to challenge the ideas that sneak in through the backdoor that have no place in Christianity - and it doesn't matter if one were white or black. To me, it is people who play the blame game that have yet not been able to move on and make great strides.

Horus:
The format used is author, authentic, authority. With those three principles, everybody retreats to them to check themselves and their own culture.

Again, ideas continue to be challenged; and established guidelines are have benefitted (rather than hindered) the development of thought.

Horus:
Whenever you look up the root of a word, and where it originated, you are always led to Greek, French, Old English, Latin, and Arabic. Most of your definitions are coming from these languages. They have you controlled by these languages to keep your mind trapped and make themselves the authorities, the authors, and thus appear to be authentic.

Do you have suggestions for alternative sources of etymology?

@Horus,

Horus:
This topic is about religion,you are out of topic.

I'm sorry; but even at that I broached my questions following the points you raised.

Horus:
Your seem to be very sarcastic and believe only the definition of words that the caucasians put in their dictionary to trap us with their definitions.

Again, I apologise if sarcasm is read into my posts. Yet, I don't believe that good diction is all about what race of people gave us the dictionaries - any dictionary for that matter. It is for this reason I had hoped to see some good resource that might have added to my understanding of your persuasions.

Horus:
Here the topic is: Nigerians Should Drop Christianity, The White Man's Religion.

I understand the topic. Muhammad was also said to be a white man according to the Hadiths. Besides, what we call "white" may just happen to be our own entrapments of mind in seeking to contextualize this topic.

mrpataki:
Water full ground for that story oh

You want to know

E no matter. . . even mighty oceans have been navigated!

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Omo Eko:
well the title of the thread got my attentions

Bo, thanks o jare for that crack!

neelsel:
A Word of advice, Stay out of this!!!!!

Wetin? You wan start your own jihad?

Omo Eko:
This are reason why i don't visit the Religion section

If you didn't visit, you wouldn't have seen this to post anything here, abi?

neelsel:
@Pataki, I am still not talking to you,  

Ehn?? But what did you just do?