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miss¹
verb misses, missed, missing

tr & intr
1. To fail to hit or catch something.

Example: missed the ball
Thesaurus: overshoot, undershoot, fall short, fall wide of the mark; Antonym: be on target.
2. To fail to get on something.

Example: missed my train
3. To fail to take advantage of something.

Example: missed your chance
Thesaurus: neglect, overlook, leave out, pass by, skip, avoid.
4. To feel or regret the absence or loss of someone or something.

Example: I miss you when you're away
Thesaurus: long for, pine for, wish for, desire, crave, yearn for, need, want; lament, grieve for.

5. To notice the absence of someone or something.

6. To fail to hear or see something.

Example: missed his last remark
7. To refrain from going to (a place or an event).

Example: I'll have to miss the next class
8. To avoid or escape (especially a specified danger).

Example: just missed being run over
intr
9. Said of an engine: to fail to burn fuel at the right time.


http://www.allwords.com/word-miss.html

wormedup:
now it took me some time to type down those definitions and i'd really appreciate it if u guys would exhaust it before retorting blanks !

All the same, the discussion continues.

I wonder.

@Nestle,

Nestle:
U did not answer my question,

Right. Could you please rephrase your question so we could understand it a bit more easily.

Nestle:
And according 2 where u quoted in Romans 8:18,19.

Are saying that MAN ARE BORN 2 SUFFER 4 THE GLORY OF GOD TO BE REVEAL.

Man was not born to suffer; but suffering is a reality that we all experience, whether or not we are religious. I think that is the point made in the book of Job:

Job 5:7 - Yet man is born unto trouble, as the sparks fly upward.

Job 14:1 - Man that is born of a woman is of few days, and full of trouble.

However, it is also clear that through the redemption we have in Christ, we can rejoice in the blessings God has made available to us through faith - and that is inspite of the effects of the Fall. The living God gives us richly all things to enjoy - I Tim. 6:17.

@Nicer,

Nicer:
i'm not palying the blame game. i don't blame the whiteman. if we weren't stupid, they wouldn't have succeeded in bamboozling us so it's our fault for being so daft.

Okay. I don't want to keep harping on the same thing. However, I wouldn't quite agree with your summation that the blackman is stupid and/or daft. There are a lot of intelligent black people in every field you can find on the face of the earth.

What we should try and do is contextualize what is behind us, and then look at what is before us, so we can properly handle what has been thought of as being beyond us.

White or black, life returns only what we make out of it. Shalom.

@dakmanzero,

dakmanzero:
There's no need to be rude. And please try not to make yourself sound silly in an attempt to appear smart- I can tell from your posts that you are a reasonable intelligent guy, but you risk labelling yourself otherwise if you jump to conclusions while accusing others of same.

If that's your way of apologizing for your initial discourtesy, I take it. I'm quite happy to read anyone as intelligent until they prove me wrong.

dakmanzero:
There's no such word as deconvert. Look it up in any dictionary. It is a word invented by religious extremists to somehow denigrate the choices of people who choose to convert from their own chosen religion. The correct word is convert. Using the word deconvert labels you as biased. I highlighted it for exactly that reason- had you chosen to look up the definition before responding to me you would have caught on and saved face.

http://mw1.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/deconvert

Thanks for trying to sound intelligent and missing the whole point. I should henceforth assume that when atheists acknowledge the same the word, they should be regarded as "religious extremists" - NO?

http://www.positiveatheism.org/mail/eml8395.htm

I don't come on a Forum to try and save face. If you can't catch up with issues, try not assuming a superiority that is actually slow paced.

dakmanzero:
Since I have determined that you are quite intelligent, I will ignore the second response on the grounds that you are probably assuming that I was providing an analogue to *your* question, and not the OP. I am however interested in hearing your take on the OP, since it is in fact, the issue at hand.

That is why I asked you to please hold your breath until an intelligent and honest Muslim proffers an answer. It is quite in keeping with the topic, and at which instance I'll be taking them through their own holy books on the subject.

dakmanzero:
Grasping the issue is not the case. I was responding to the OP, not to you. I have a perfect grasp of whatever issue I choose to raise, thank you very much. At no point in my post did I specifically refer to you or your question. This thread *does* have a topic afterall.

Right. I shouldn't then be reading you belabouring your persuasion.

dakmanzero:
Contention is between OP and TellyB's question, not between two interpretations of tellyb's question. I highlighted both possible interpretations for the reason that you responded to in 5,

To be sure, there could be quite a dozen more interpretations given to my question. An attempt was already proffered, and I had to come back to balance the misconception thereto.

dakmanzero:
Once again I will excuse this response. I'm assuming that once you re-read, you will come up with a different response.

I haven't read anything fresh other than the strain at a simple word ('deconvert').

dakmanzero:
I don't see why someone will be happy to discover that there are people who have no clue about what his concerns are, especially if those concerns are religious!

Quite sad, isn't it? Especially when your rejoinders are still unable to quite tuff it.

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It shouldn't be difficult for us to engage in dialogue without the drama. The issues here are not as simplistic as you're trying to make it read. Is it too much to ask that you wait and see what this is all about?

Regards.

@Nicer,

Nicer:
But again when i look at how the whites manupulated things in establishing these religions. i wonder,

Just saying the same thing! Blackman is in deep s**t; whiteman is to blame! Una no dey ever tire with this blame game syndrome??  

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@locoman,

locoman:
Point of correction, the white man does not know God as much as the black man do. And besides Christianity is not a religion, it is a way God Himself institute to reconcile man unto Himself while religion is a way man device to look for God and that is Islam.

Have a nice day!

Hmmm. That reminds me - another thing that this blame-game thing conveniently avoids: Islam! So, the topic should have been broad enough to speak to a wider audience:

             Should Nigerians Also Drop Islam?

Don't forget that the Hadith says Muhammad was a whiteman!  

@nuru,

I'll give you time to go through your rejoinder and edit as necessary. You have simply drooled on what you learnt by rote, and there's no substance in your outlines. When I'm less busy in the evening, I'll help you come round to the core issues you've skirted around.

Regards.

@dakmanzero,

dakmanzero:
'deconvert'? what the Hell does that mean?!

To convert from one's professed faith to a different one. Duh!

dakmanzero:
Hmmm. I imagine I wasn't clear.

Take this example: A yoruba traditionalist asks an ancient viking, "Is Thor really the god of thunder? He couldn;t be because the god of thunder is Shango!!!!!!"

A nonsensical question, abi? Because the participants share no common ground. Their religions exist in completely different realms of truth.

The same applies to Islam and Christianity. In Islam,, Jesus is NOT God. In Christianity, he IS. Simple.

If it suits your ideology to parry it in such a simplistic manner, why the sweat to confuse yourself further? The debates and exchange of ideas between Muslims and Christians on the Forum is not that simplistic.

dakmanzero:

EDIT:

Tellyb, I think I may have stumbled on the source of confusion. My statement on basis is directed at the OP question (Is Jesus God) and not your later question about false gods.

THAT question definitely has a basis ONLY IF you are asking the Muslims a question within the context of their own religion.

I wonder how you rushed into posting your previous one without first seeking to grasp the issues initially.

dakmanzero:
that is, you are saying 'according to your religion, are they worshipping a false god?' NOT 'IS THE GOD OF THE CHRISTIANS ABSOLUTELY FALSE??!?!?!??!'.

You read it that way; and now you find it is not!

dakmanzero:
The first form of the question is a genuine request for education about Islam, and the second form of the question is not a question at all, rather it is rhetoric designed to instigate an argument.

This summation simply shows you have no clue about the issues here. And I would simply ask you to hold your breath and wait to see what this is all about.

I offer my posts to Muslims to help them go right back into their own books to see the issues they've been pretending do not exist. That is precisely what my question is all about; and those who have circumvented it in pretentious answers would be happy to note that people like you are simply oblivious to the core concerns being pursued here.

@dakmanzero,

If that is how you read issues, you missed it by a million miles. The direct accusation that informs my question has to be examined; and the Muslim either proffers a direct answer as well, or continue to bask in the misreadings that are epitomized in your post.

The question has a basis. When an honest answer comes, you will see it.

Certainly, people who professed to have been Christians deconvert to Islam; yet the questions being asked by many have led them out of Islam and to the redemption found in Jesus Christ. Some of those questions are being discussed here, and people who can read issues well can see what they are all about.

@topic,

After your complain against Christianity, what then? The racist idiosyncrasy from the onset is self-defeating! Blackman is in a sh*thole, the whiteman is to blame, and of all the woes, Christianity dunit??

The blame-game that a man hasn't woken up from (after 500 years) - whether that man is white or black - will continue to be his valium. Sleep on.

@Flowjay,

Flowjay:

# why is the hajj to the Kaa'ba and the BLACK STONE nowhere indicated in the Torah??

First stop playing with words by emphasising BLACK STONE,

If you've got no jittery issues about THE BLACK STONE, you need not worry that I'm repeatedly calling the Muslim attention to the same thing they've been ducking.

Flowjay:
the hajj is a pillar of Islam enjoined to be performed by all capable and able muslims, visit to the Kaa'ba is part of the hajj. It is probably not in the Torah because Islam concluded it all.

Good. There's no "probability" there - it simply doesn't exist in the Torah because it originated with Muhammad's Islam and has nothing to do with the life and worship of Abraham and the Jewish people.

Flowjay:
It's like a series you only get to know somethings at the conclusion. This doesn't however make the people who followed the Torah then incomplete as they would be judged by what was on ground in their time (Allah knows best).

This obviously sounds like already conceding to your inability to maintain course. It is not a "series" - rather, it simply had no place in the faith of Abraham and the Jews.

Flowjay:

# who commanded Muslims to venerate the BLACK STONE in their hajj to Mecca??

Another BIG Ignorant contribution.

Thank you. Just simply answer the question all the same.

Flowjay:
Now read carefully Muslims do not venerate the Black stone, talkless of being commanded to do that by anyone.

Carefully look again at what Umar bin Al-Khattab said in Sahih Bukhari, Bk. 26, # 675. Muhammad kissed that stone, and his companions saw no reason why he did so. I knew people like you would fall for your own noose! If NO ONE commanded Muslims or Muhammad to kiss the black stone, and history records in the Muslim holy books that they did, what are you trying to claim here?

Besides, what did you state earlier? See again:

Flowjay:
Like asking why u treasure a pendant left behind by your grandfather (U probably treasure it not for the cost but for it's significance to u)

So, what is the significance that is taking you guys forever to tell us plainly? I have surprises for you when you come back playing your rascal games with me.

Flowjay:
We worship Almighty God (whom we refer to as Allah) alone. And you know that, but just trying to mock muslims.

I am not trying to mock Muslims. I'm asking for straight answers; and enough of the whimpering if you guys have none.

Flowjay:
Finally, I say again that the question that started this thread has long being answered over and over again. U guys just want to keep wasting precious time here. Hope I wont have to come back and address a closed issue anymore. To my Muslim folks whom have made out time to educate Nairaland users on this topic I say thank you and may Allah increase you in knowledge and reward you abundantly.

It's sad that your exercise was a waste. There are issues that continue to pop up on the same topic - and that is what we've been discussing here. Making unsubstantiated assertions does not mean that the claims of Islam in the Qur'an concerning the very issues here are any closer to truth.

The thread can continue, and I'll pop in between my busy schedule this week to see if the vacuity of thought still exists from your camp.

@Flowjay,

Flowjay:

# What was the main reason why Muhammad was first facing Jerusalem in his prayers?
# What was the main reason why Muhammad turned from Jerusalem to the Kaa'ba?
# Why was the prayer direction not first towards the Kaa'ba but rather towards Jerusalem?

I'll not bother answering questions that have long been answered on this thread.

Where were answers offered since I've been asking them?

Flowjay:

# why is there not a single mention of the BLACK STONE anywhere in the religious history
of Adam, Abraham and the Jews in their worship when you read the Jewish scriptures?

Kq already answered that

And where did kq proffer the non-existent answer that you're reading into his post?

Flowjay:

Prophet Ibrahim (A.S.) built it with his son ismael who had inhabited the area after being settled there by his father it is the Black stone that the Ibrahim stood on while he was building the house.

in addendum the black stone became significant after Abraham, since it was used by him (Adam came before Abraham. Secondly Islam is the complete way so it is expected it has more complete info than other books and also to correct misconceptions of other groups.

The question was straightforward: where in the Jewish Scriptures do we read of the BLACK STONE??

Second, the inconsistencies and abrogated verses of the Qur'an only make it an unqualified document to deal with its own issues before seeking to "correct" the misconceptions of other groups. That ribald idea is what is being constantly challenged, and up until this moment no Muslim answers have been forthcoming to defend the fallacious claims made for the Qur'an.

That the Qur'an is not a book that can stand on its own 'completeness' is attested to in two ways: (a) your Muslim apologists have severally told the Forum that the Torah of the Qur'an revealed (by the same 'Allah') are lost and cannot be found; (b) Muslim scholars continue to look outside the Qur'an for the issues mentioned in the Hadiths but not found in the Qur'an. So your claim here is simply dribbling away conveniently from the hard facts on ground.

Flowjay:

# who commanded Muhammad to KISS the BLACK STONE, and what is the significance of that?

The black stone was used by Abraham (A.S), a Prophet before Mohammad (S.A.W), so is bound to treasure it. Like asking why u treasure a pendant left behind by your grandfather (U probably treasure it not for the cost but for it's significance to u)

Are you not forgetting something here? WHO commanded Muhammad to kiss the black stone??

Abraham never used the black stone - it is not once mentioned in the Torah, the sacred scriptures of the Jews that Muhammad also revered. If surely Muhammad believed in ALL the revelations of the Biblical prophets, surely mention would have been made of the stone. But the utter silence of this is testimony that neither Adam nor Abraham heard any such thing. It is scandalous to try to castigate the Jewish Scriptures simply because Muhammad's reconstructed (and often inconsistent) utterances denounced them.

No one commanded Muhammad to kiss the black stone. The confession of one of Muhammad's companions on this is quite revealing in Sahih Bukhari, Bk. 26, # 675:

Narrated Zaid bin Aslam from his father who said: "Umar bin Al-Khattab addressed the Corner (Black Stone)
saying, 'By Allah! I know that you are a stone and can neither benefit nor harm. Had I not seen the
Prophet touching (and kissing) you, I would never have touched (and kissed) you.'

Then he kissed it and said, 'There is no reason for us to do Ramal (in Tawaf) except that we wanted to show off
before the pagans, and now Allah has destroyed them.' 'Umar added, '(Nevertheless), the Prophet did that and
we do not want to leave it (i.e. Ramal)'

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<sub>**Definitions:
Ramal - Hastening, walking briskly and moving the shoulders briskly;
usually done by men (only) in the first three circuits of the Tawaf,
but not in the remaining four.

Tawaf - The circling of the Holy Kabah. Tawaf is done in sets of seven circuits.</sub>


So, where was the divine commandment to kiss the black stone? Muhammad's action in kissing the stone was not a commandment from 'Allah', and you cannot find it in the Qur'an. Umar bin Al-Khattab's statement in that hadith shows clearly that at the earliest stage of the black stone issue, it was all a show off before the pagans - there was just no reason to do Ramal (in Tawaf). This is hardly the kind of bland statement any Muslim would have had to utter if he knew that there was a divine commandment to rever, kiss and touch the stone!

@Flowjay,

Flowjay:
THx Kq, for your observation and contribution, but the reply of Telly B, davidylan and co shows they aren't here to get answers, rather they are here to mock, however my business is not to focus on their mockery rather to help those sincerely interested in topic.

If answers were forthcoming, I would not need to repeat my questions ad infinitum for your Muslim apologists to provide some answers - which they haven't.

Flowjay:
U pretend not to knw u and your crew have being Blaspheming and not willing to learn, wht does your action and davidylan's action on replies portray, the fact is that u fail to reason along any quotes frm the quran because to u the quran is baseless, so there is no point educating u. Afterall many of your points are frm the Bible, which is full of contradictions yet we have respected u this far not to call your posts baseless.

Firstly, I have not made many replies on this thread from the Bible - and your insinuation at first glance immediately tells me you didn't read through them before drawing such inferences.

Second, I'm not the one who inferred that the Qur'an is baseless. If anything at all, it was your Muslim translator in the person of Pickthall that categorically stated that the Qur'an cannot be translated into any language! What that says to me is that, if a book cannot be translated, what are we supposed to understand from it??

Flowjay:
Comments like

Abraham knew nothing of the Kaa'ba nor about the black stone.

Yes u suceeded in making us reply u with such harsh tone u started, however I have no appologies to u as long as u launch unprovoked attacks on my faith.

My dear Flowjay, please read issues carefully without letting your passions run wild. This is where I came on board:

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-53767.0.html#msg1122892 ,

. . . and my first post was to Lumzi where I quoted Prov. 18:17 for his shortlived adulation to babs787. Throughout, I've sought to maintain balance and make sense rather than obscenities. Your bragado here is not going to help matters, and I trust you'd not be so rascally to begin what you can't finish.

Flowjay:
God never set Islam aside, all Prophets were Islam because they beleived there is only one God, they were all however sent to one nation or the other except Mohammad (S.A.W) Who was sent to the whole world and completed the message others brought before him.

This is seriously fudging the antecedents of history. Islam was unknown before Muhammad was born; and only in the seventh century did a religion known by that specific name emerge. Read more in the following links and don't let anyone fool you:

'Beginning as the faith of a small community of believers in Arabia in the seventh century, Islam rapidly
became one of the major world religions.'

[From Encyclopedia of Politics and Religion, ed. Robert Wuthnow. 2 vols. (Washington, D.C.:
Congressional Quarterly, Inc., 1998), 383-393
Online source: http://www.cqpress.com/context/articles/epr_islam.html ]
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'Muslim history began in Arabia with Muhammad's first recitations of the Qur'an in the 7th century.

[Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_history ]


You cannot make a claim that is unsubstantiated simply because the Qur'an says so. The hard historical evidence in literary and religious study point to only one thing: Islam was nonexistent before the 7th century!

Just a little something to juggle your thinking:

# If Adam or Abraham were the first Muslims, who then were their caliphs?

# Why is there no record at all that Abraham was a Muslim other than as claimed by Muhammad alone?

# Since you claim that all the Prophets were Islam (Muslim), are Islam and Judaism the same religion?

# And if they're not the same, were Moses and the Jews practicing the religion of Islam from the Torah?

# Where was Islam when Judaism was born and continued among the Jews for several centuries?

You can't just make assertions out of blank galaxy without thinking through issues carefully. Just because Muhammad made the claim that all the prophets were Muslims, one cannot just swallow that out of blind belief when evidence reveals the contrary! Islam began with Muhammad in the 7th century; and not any earlier than that.

Flowjay:
Now God never established Judaism or Christianity, these are religions founded by men, Show me what portion in the Bible where God mentioned Christianity let alone proclaiming it as the religion he has ordained for mankind. Islam was specifically mentioned in the Quran as the religion chosen for mankind by God.

This is simply arguing out of blindness. Just because they were not mentioned by name does not mean that the faiths of Jews and Christians should be thrown overboard! Most of the things Muslims believe in today are NOT in the Qur'an at all; and of those that are fetched from the Hadith, they're even all the more confused as to which hadiths are authentic and which are fabrications.

When you carefully read the Torah and the Mosaic Law, you come face to face with hard facts and evidence for the life and faith of the Jewish people. In the Hadith, it is recorded that Muhammad both handled and confessed belief in the Torah revealed to the Jews (Sunan Abu-Dawud, Bk. 38, #4434). What in the Torah signifies the BLACK STONE, the Kaa'ba, and many other Islamic practices? Besides, where in the Torah is the word "Torah" specifically mentioned before Muhammad confessed belief in it?

Just because the word "Islam" was mentioned in the Qur'an, it does not automatically serve as the monumental "evidence" for its being chosen by God as the religion for mankind. To be sure, the elements of the Christian faith are recorded in the Bible; and no one is arguing that the Bible cannot be translated, as has been claimed by Pickthall in his preface to his translation of the Qur'an as a book that cannot be translated!

@pilgrim.1,

I'm impressed!

@topic,

Can Muslims please oblige me an answer to this question already featured in another thread:

If Christians refer to Jesus as God, are they then worshipping a false god?

davidylan:
There is no compulsion in religion.

Perhaps we "ignorant fools" no longer understand the meaning of "compulsion"!!

davidylan:
it is in the lost injil, if only they could find it.

You always have a way to kill me with laff!!

@goodguy,

goodguy:
You know like "Jé ki n mo ìgbà tí ìyàwó re di oun ìlò, tí ó fi jé wípé o fé yèé wò kí o tó lò ó."

Mo kan shèré ni.

Lol @ Doris B,

I don't know how many Muslims claim that. Yes, the Kaa'ba is commonly referred to as the Holy House (or among some other users, it is simply known as 'Allah's House'). But then, Muslims do not claim that Allah lives there.

[quote author=wormedup link=topic=52547.msg1122873#msg1122873 date=1179403785]
yeah, they were prophets just like adam and eve

[quote author=babs787 link=topic=52547.msg1125370#msg1125370 date=1179487373]
I told your other sons in the likes of stimulus and davidylan that they were prophets but your sons denied the claim that they are not prophets.[/quote][/quote]- - - - - - - - - - - - -

[quote author=wormedup link=topic=52547.msg1130176#msg1130176 date=1179670469]
adam and eve prophets [/quote]Kai! I tire!! 

In the growing disaffection towards the political ideology behind Islam, let us remember to keep our heads. There are a lot of other religions that have ideologies far more sinister than what have come to light about Islam; and we should not condemn ALL Muslims simply because of the irrationality of the Jihadists!

There are Muslims who choose life and hate death; whose outlook on life is far more intelligent than most of us know about; whose honesty humbles most of us and leave us wondering if they are Muslims!

This is not to sound "politically correct"! But two wrongs do not make any right! That a Muslim slew a friend of mine in the north should not make me lose my reason and massacre another Muslim neighbour in the south who has done me no wrong!

It is the ideology itself we should challenge; and not condemn people for their religion!

You too!!

Word on marble! I especially like this:

davidylan:
The islamic view of an "open minded christian" is one who is sympathetic to the muslim course almost to the extent of putting down his own beliefs in a bid to stretch islamic viewpoints to fit rational thinking.

. . . and the sum of this:

davidylan:
My idea of the REAL open minded christian is one who is not only confident and sure of what he believes but is willing and bold enough to share it with others with rational proof of why he thinks it is true.He is willing to accept being in the wrong as long as the other party can convincingly prove his point.

Sadly it is this group that insecure muslims refer to as fanatics out of a morbid fear of being exposed for the fraud that islam is.

I tire!

@topic,

Let's try and be balanced, abeg. The Bible no where mentions the case of a woman who wears trousers as being under condemnation. The Scripture is clear on what it says:

Deut. 22:5
The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment:
for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.

Remember: "that which pertaineth unto a man" should not all at once be translated as trousers! Even the man sef is in the same cubicle as not to weat "a woman's garment" - and what should that be translated as?? A skirt?? Or spaghetti sleeves, G-string, tights??

For those who still have 'skirts' on their minds as meaning a "woman's gament", let me remind you that men also wore skirts in the Bible!!

From Ruth's answer in Ruth 3:9, it is obvious Boaz was wearing a skirty attire!
Ruth 3:9 - And he said, Who art thou? And she answered, I am Ruth thine handmaid: spread therefore
thy skirt over thine handmaid; for thou art a near kinsman.

1 Sam 24:5 - 'And it came to pass afterward, that David's heart smote him, because he had cut off Saul's skirt

Psa. 133:2 - 'It is like the precious ointment upon the head, that ran down upon the beard,
even Aaron's beard: that went down to the skirts of his garments'

Ezekiel was instructed: Thou shalt also take thereof a few in number, and bind them in thy skirts. (Ezek 5:3).


And all these men were not condemned, right??, Right. So, was the Scripture speaking of trousers and skirts in Deut. 22:5?? I don't think so. The context is simply pointing to that which makes a male appear feminine and a female appear masculine in their dress codes! It is a simple straightforward message: don't confuse your gender role!!

@heyma,

heyma:
No one has any Knowledge about Opus Dei in Nigeria?

Well, I really don't know. From the saved links in my fav folder, these are what I could find:

      # Opus Dei Social initiatives in Nigeria  http://www.opusdei.us/art.php?p=1700

      # Opus dei in Nigeria (including History, Government and Apostolic Initiatives)
          http://www.opusdei.org.ng/sec.php?s=202

      # General Highlight of What Opus Dei Stands For:
          (a)  http://www.ideasrapidas.org/opusdeii.htm
          (b)  http://www.escrivaworks.org/book/conversations-chapter-3.htm

      # News Items of African Faithfuls of Opus Dei:
          http://en.romana.org/?s=3.7&n=35&ID=1

      # Audio Stream on Opus Dei and the Pope (I found it interesting listening):
         http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4576620

I have the hunch that you might already have come across all these links. All these same, I have no firsthand experience about the Opus Dei presence in Nigeria.

Cheers.

mukina2:
Telly the guy posted that stuff on the sports board
must people stalk others all over the place becasue they do not believe in what they do beleive in

I can't believe that!! M-e-n! I'm outa here!

mukina2:
telly B

i am running away ! _{lai lai i dey kampe}

I'm going to be busy during the week. Make sure I find you here when I return!!

Seriously.

Okay, that's not an order. . . just enjoying your style!.

I-man step aside a bit.

mukina2:
see an example of what i am saying

if you go through all my post, i have never once painted a bad picture of Jesus or any other person .

Mukina. Mukina! Mukina2!!! How many times I call you so??

I know how you feel when people say stuff about you! You know how many of your own broothers have called me an "ignorant fool"?? I even like the verbiage of one who hinted that mine was "ignorant intelligence"!! ( https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-53767.128.html#msg1129191 ) .

The thing is that, everyone is bound to say something. I am sometimes tempted to open a thread entitled: "YOUR BASHINGS ON ANYONE HERE!" But no, I am still enjoying the fresh air on the Forum and don't want to make many enemies more than the ones whose backyard I don't have the security of crossing anymore!


_{Oya, I-man, over to you! C'est fin.}

dapsycool:
It's like u never live for north,I have, I remember when an Hausa thug was telling a lady beside me after a quarrel, that he was going to kill her and bury her himself, No be small thing o, because the girl had to run, What do you want to teach those peeps when their brother Osama and Saddam do the same. Na mohammed inject am into them because hin be fighter too

I'll have to admit I didn't live in the north; although I've travelled and stayed in several northern States between short periods. It's really sad to see such ideology that beggers any form of light to be openly displayed - and does anyone still wonder why many Muslims in the North are quite dyed with such a culture??

Shabaramsy:
This kind of a thing hardly happens in societies with contentment. It is simply a reflection of the economic woes and frustrations in the country. It is sad that somebody who is a moulder of moral character could be so treated.

It is not true that the index for measuring such demented behaviour has to be economic woes. There are many poor third world countries in the world - have they been going up in flames??

mukina2:
@telly B
do not mind me .
Its Ok
carry on

Okay, now I understand!! _{. . . I-man, thanks for the hint o jare!}

Lol @I-man,

[quote author=I-man link=topic=54658.msg1130147#msg1130147 date=1179669356]Why are you people messing with my Muki? _{paid bride price for her}[/quote]Sorry, I repent! _{Remember that song? - 'My mama warned me not to get into trouble??'}

[quote author=I-man link=topic=54658.msg1130147#msg1130147 date=1179669356]Honestly,Muslims don't feel comfortable discussing their religion.Period![/quote]I know quite a few who actually are confident in talking about their religion - and they make very good sense! Mukina2 for one! _{No, I'm not attempting to tap current again O, but truth be told!}