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dofman:
Pele guy 🤣🤣🤣

Was your Jesu not nailed and kpaid ?

Yes or no ?

Chai . You don suffer on

dofman:
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 guy , I just love you Dey collect on this thread ahaaa.

Now , I have used ChatGPT


It says the same things that I have been teaching you for the past weeks . Chai .

Truth can never be manipulated nah .

You don cast totally .

Pele guy

dofman:
Trash 🚮

Kininwi 🤣🤣

After this unbeliever has been bursted , he is now in severe pain o .

You think you can deviate me to different topic . Dey play

Omo, e be like say ; you drank something ahaaaa.

You can’t sleep

Do you expect me heal you from all your virus , no nah . Pele

Even if someone dedicate thousands of years to educate you line by line , you can never listen nah .

Have you seen an unbeliever to listen to the truth ; no nah . Pele


I always know you always portray and manipulate lies . Instead of me to take my self low to your half knowledge status, let me ask your deep seek to burst you 🤣🤣🤣

See your life and lies now . Shioor

Lobatan

Go copy another lies from your WhatsApp group nah . Oti lule pii

dofman:
Guy stop disgracing yourself nah .

Does Allah said he can’t understand all languages ? 🤣🤣

He is the creator of all languages.

If Allah chooses Arabic for Quran , what is your problem nah 🤣🤣🤣


Omo ; you need deliverance o

Even your bibeli confirm the uniqueness of single language for worship .

Shioor

Your opinion is valueless nah. .Tuehh

dofman:
Guy stop disgracing yourself nah .

Does Allah said he can’t understand all languages ? 🤣🤣

He is the creator of all languages.

If Allah chooses Arabic for Quran , what is your problem nah 🤣🤣🤣


Omo ; you need deliverance o

Even your bibeli confirm the uniqueness of single language for worship .

Shioor

Your opinion is valueless nah. .Tuehh

dofman:
🤣🤣🤣 can God be kpaid ?

Yes or no ? Ahaaaa

But your own god was nailed nah and you even proud of him , don’t you ?

Chai

You are finish seh

dofman:
Trash 🚮 as usual

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Omo this one has entered repetition mode after he as knocked out .

Pele . I can feel your frustration shaa.

Now that I have broken you into pieces wait for my next action how I will combine you with your fellow unbelievers.

honesttalk21:
A rigid misinterpretation of the truth by those seeking only justification for their mischief. No matter the truth brought to them (these group who identify as Christians) they only have their fixations in their baseless lies and only amuse themselves in their fallacy fantasy.

Rashduct4luv:
I only talk based on knowledge here. You said Al-Fatihah cursed the people of the book. Then you later said it is the part two. Then you started mentioning tafsir, Qunut, Friday Khutbah, Scholars, etc. when it is clear the topic of this thread is Why Do Muslims Wish Christians And Jews Death 17 times Everyday During prayer ?

I think you all are misguided and incorrigible souls.

TenQ:
It's a shame that you have to go to Tafsir Prophet AI rather than your classical Tafsirs. Are you both that IGNORANT?



So, let me show you
Tafsirs on Qur'an 1:7


1. Tafsir Quran 1:7 Al-Jalalyn
"the path of those whom You have favoured with guidance from alladhīna together with its relative clause is substituted by ghayri l-maghdūbi 'alayhim not the path of those against whom there is wrath namely the Jew and nor of those who are astray namely the Christian."

Tafsir Quran 1:7 al-Jalalayn,
The Hadith of 'Adi ibn Hatim (cited in multiple classical tafsirs including Tafsir al-Tabari, Tafsir Ibn Kathir, and others)
Narrated 'Adi bin Hatim:
"I asked Allah's Messenger about the Statement of Allah: 'Ghairil maghdubi 'alaihim [not (the way) of those who earned Your Anger],' he replied: 'They are the Jews.' And: **'Walad dallin (nor of those who went astray),' he replied: 'The Christians, and they are the ones who went astray.'"


3. Tafsir Qur'an 1:7 Ibn Kathir
Ibn Kathir cites the above hadith of 'Adi ibn Hatim and confirms:
"These two paths are the paths of the Christians and Jews, a fact that the believer should beware of so that he avoids them."
He also notes: "the guided ones are neither the Jews nor the Christians


4. Tafsir Qur'an 1:7 al-Qurtubi
Al-Qurtubi identifies:
"Those who have earned His anger are the Jews who saw the truth but abandoned it or distorted it. The misguided are the Christians who deviated from the truth out of ignorance."


Now back to the Actual Curses




1. Is it UNTRUE that in the Witr prayer, some Muslims recite Qunoot that includes:

"Allahumma inna nasta'inuka wa nastaghfiruka... Allahumma al'an kafarata ahlil-kitab..."

Translation:
"O Allah, we seek Your help and ask Your forgiveness...O Allah, curse the disbelievers among the People of the Book..."


2. Is it UNTRUE that some Muslims include the he "Second Qunoot" (Du'a al-Qunoot in Witr)

With phrases like:
"Wa 'adhdhim 'ala ahli shirki kalimatak... wa qahhar kafarata ahlil-kitab..."

Translation:
"...and humiliate the disbelievers among the People of the Book..."


3. Is it UNTRUE that in the "Friday Khutbah"

Some sermons historically included:
"Allahumma al'an il-yahud wa'n-nasara wa'mn 'adahum"

Translation:
(O Allah, curse the Jews and Christians and those who follow them)

AntiChristian:
Petty Diversion!

GreenCovering:
The claim by the OP still remains a lie because you can not use inadequate prompts to generate AI responses that suits your deceptive approach. Here is a more elaborate prompts you can use instead to verify if the OP's claim is supported in the established laws of Islam.

We have seen thus far that there is no where a verse of the Holy Quran commanded muslims to engage in this practice of cursing at Jews or Christians in salat or khutbah, no hadith of the Holy Prophet (s.a.w) recommended it and from the below, none of the four established Islamic law systems (that have been used to govern states in the world of Islam) recommended this practice. That is why I let you know that the narration you saw was a private practice associated with the people, though few, who did them. Thereby rendering it ineffective to defend OP's claim.

Kemical23:
but you calling other religions names is not frustration from your part...
Lol....

FIRDAUS3:
A RESPONSE TO THE CLAIM: “IN ISLAM, WHO DO MUSLIMS SUBMIT TO—MUHAMMAD OR ALLAH?”

The question sounds challenging, but it rests on several historical and Qur’anic misunderstandings. Islam does not teach Muslims to submit to Muhammad *instead of* Allah. The Qur’an repeatedly establishes that **Allah alone is the ultimate authority**, while Muhammad ﷺ is His Messenger whose authority comes from Allah.

Allah says:

“Say: Indeed, my prayer, my sacrifice, my living and my dying are for Allah, Lord of the worlds. He has no partner.
> — Qur’an 6:162–163

So the foundation is clear: **submission is ultimately to Allah.**

The Prophet Muhammad ﷺ was not a second god, a partner with Allah, or an independent lawgiver. He was a servant and messenger of Allah.

1. Zaynab and the claim that Allah “approved Muhammad's desire”

This argument assumes the very thing it is trying to prove.

The Qur’an actually records Muhammad ﷺ being **corrected by Allah**, which completely undermines the idea that Allah simply manufactured revelations to satisfy Muhammad's personal desires.

Regarding Zaynab, the Qur’an says:

“You concealed within yourself what Allah was to disclose, and you feared the people, while Allah has more right that you fear Him.”
> — Qur’an 33:37

Notice what is happening: Allah is **criticising His Prophet**, not obeying him.

The marriage had a broader legal and social purpose: eliminating the pre-Islamic assumption that an adopted son was identical to a biological son for purposes of marriage and lineage.

The same verse explicitly says:

“…so that there would be no discomfort for the believers concerning the wives of their adopted sons…”**
> — Qur’an 33:37

And the Qur’an elsewhere makes the distinction explicit:

“Nor has He made your adopted sons your [true] sons.”**
> — Qur’an 33:4

Calling this simply “Muhammad wanted another man's wife and Allah approved it” strips the passage of its actual context.

More importantly, if Muhammad were inventing revelations whenever convenient, why would the Qur’an preserve revelations that rebuke him?

For example:

“He frowned and turned away because there came to him the blind man…”**
> — Qur’an 80:1–2

And:

“May Allah pardon you! Why did you give them permission [to stay behind] before it became evident to you who were truthful…”**
> — Qur’an 9:43

A person fabricating divine revelations to glorify himself would have little obvious reason to preserve public corrections of himself.

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2. The change of the Qiblah

The claim that Muhammad ﷺ changed the direction of prayer simply because the Jews refused to accept him is an interpretation imposed upon the Qur’an.

The Qur’an itself gives the reason for the change and describes Muhammad ﷺ repeatedly looking toward the sky, waiting for Allah's command:

“We have certainly seen you turning your face toward the heaven, and We will surely turn you to a direction of prayer that will please you.
> — Qur’an 2:144

The crucial point is this:

Muhammad did not independently change the Qiblah. Allah commanded the change.

And the Qur’an immediately frames it as a test of obedience:

“…And We did not make the direction which you formerly faced except to distinguish those who follow the Messenger from those who would turn back…”**
> — Qur’an 2:143

If the argument is that Muhammad was simply making Allah conform to his wishes, then the burden is on the claimant to demonstrate that from the text. The Qur’an does not say, “Muhammad commanded Allah to change the Qiblah.”

Rather, it presents Muhammad as **waiting for revelation**.

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3. “Allah forbade four wives, but Muhammad was allowed eleven”

This statement is factually wrong.

The Qur’an does **not** say that Allah permitted ordinary Muslim men to marry only four wives in all circumstances and then gave Muhammad an arbitrary “wildcard.”

Qur’an 4:3 says:

“Marry those that please you of [other] women, two or three or four. But if you fear that you will not be just, then [marry only] one…

Then Muhammad ﷺ received **specific marital regulations applicable to him**, just as prophets can have specific obligations and restrictions that do not apply identically to every believer.

But notice something important: **being given a special rule does not make someone God.**

Prophets throughout religious history received particular commands.

The Qur’an itself says:

“The Prophet is closer to the believers than their own selves, and his wives are their mothers.”**
> — Qur’an 33:6

His position therefore involved responsibilities and regulations different from those of ordinary Muslims.

And Qur’an 33:52 actually demonstrates that Muhammad ﷺ was **restricted**:

“It is not lawful for you [to marry additional] women after this…”**

So the picture is not simply “Muhammad wanted women and Allah approved everything.”

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4. “Muhammad was given permission for banditry and terrorism”

This is a serious historical accusation and should not be made by collapsing warfare, raiding, terrorism and ordinary commercial activity into one category.

The early Muslim community faced persecution, expulsion, confiscation of property and armed conflict. The Qur’an's first permission concerning armed fighting is explicitly connected to people who had been wronged:

“Permission [to fight] has been given to those who are being fought because they were wronged…”**
> — Qur’an 22:39

And the Qur’an establishes limits:

“Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed, Allah does not like transgressors.”**
> — Qur’an 2:190

Whatever one's interpretation of individual events in Muhammad's biography, it is intellectually dishonest to take the word “caravan” and automatically translate it into the modern concept of **terrorism**.

Modern terrorism is a specific political and legal category involving deliberate violence against civilians to create fear or achieve political objectives. Applying the word indiscriminately to seventh-century Arabian warfare does not prove anything about Islamic theology.

Indeed, the Qur’an expressly prohibits transgression.

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5. The story of fifty prayers becoming five

This argument is based primarily on **Hadith**, not on a Qur’anic verse.

But even within the traditional Islamic account, the conclusion does not follow.

According to the famous narration, Moses advised Muhammad ﷺ to ask Allah for a reduction, and Muhammad returned to Allah repeatedly until the obligation was reduced to five daily prayers, while the reward remained equivalent to fifty.

Whether someone accepts the narration or debates its interpretation, it certainly does **not establish that Muhammad controlled Allah.

Quite the opposite: Muhammad had to **petition Allah**.

The servant asks.

Allah decides.

That is submission—not the other way around.

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6. “Allah commanded Muhammad to read, but Muhammad refused”

This is another misunderstanding of the Arabic word **“Iqra’.”**

The opening revelation is traditionally rendered:

“Read/Recite in the name of your Lord who created.”**
> — Qur’an 96:1

The Arabic verb *iqra’* can carry the meaning **“recite,” “read,” or “proclaim,”** depending on context.

The text does not say Muhammad was commanded to go to school, learn literacy, and then deliberately refused.

In fact, the Qur’an describes Muhammad as **“ummi”** (7:157; 7:158), commonly understood in Islamic scholarship as unlettered/unscriptured, although the precise semantic discussion is more nuanced.

The purpose of the first revelation was not an ordinary literacy lesson.

It was the beginning of revelation.

And again, the fundamental point remains: Muhammad was receiving a command; he was not commanding Allah.

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THE SHAHADA DOES NOT MAKE MUHAMMAD A PARTNER WITH ALLAH

This may be the biggest conceptual misunderstanding in the entire argument.

The Shahada is:

أشهد أن لا إله إلا الله وأشهد أن محمدًا رسول الله**

“I testify that there is no deity worthy of worship except Allah, and I testify that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah.”**

Look carefully at the wording.

It does **not** say:

“There is no god but Allah and Muhammad.”**

It says:

Allah is the only deity worthy of worship. Muhammad is His Messenger.**

The Qur'an itself repeatedly distinguishes between Allah and His Messenger:

“Muhammad is only a messenger of Allah…”**
> — Qur’an 3:144

And Muhammad himself is commanded to say:

“I am only a human being like you, to whom it has been revealed that your god is One God.”**
> — Qur’an 18:110

So Muhammad's inclusion in the Shahada actually reinforces his status as **Messenger**, not deity.

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“BUT WHAT ABOUT PREVIOUS PROPHETS?”

The argument that previous prophets could not have been genuine prophets because they did not pronounce Muhammad's Shahada misunderstands Islamic theology.

Muslims believe that **the fundamental message of all prophets was submission to the One God.**

The Qur’an says:

“And We certainly sent into every nation a messenger, [saying], ‘Worship Allah and avoid false gods.’”**
> — Qur’an 16:36

Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad were not preaching different gods.

Their historical communities had different laws and circumstances, but the central call was worship of the One God.

The Qur’an even describes Abraham as one who **“submitted”** to Allah (2:131).

And Jesus is described as calling people to worship Allah:

“Indeed, Allah is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him. This is the straight path.”**
> — Qur’an 3:51

Therefore, Muslims do not believe that Muhammad invented the concept of submission to Allah. They believe he **completed and confirmed the prophetic message**.

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SO, WHO DO MUSLIMS SUBMIT TO—ALLAH OR MUHAMMAD?

Allah.

But the question contains a false choice.

Muslims submit to Allah **by following the Messenger whom Allah commanded them to follow.**

The Qur’an says:

“Whoever obeys the Messenger has indeed obeyed Allah.”**
> — Qur’an 4:80

Why?

Because Muhammad is not being obeyed as a god.

He is being obeyed **as Allah's Messenger.**

There is a huge difference between:

“I obey Muhammad because Muhammad is God.”**

and:

“I obey Muhammad because Allah commanded me to follow His Messenger.”**

Islam teaches the second.

And the Qur’an makes the hierarchy unmistakable:

“O you who believe! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger…”**
> — Qur’an 4:59

Allah is the source of ultimate authority.

Muhammad ﷺ is the Messenger through whom that guidance was conveyed and whose example explains how it is to be lived.

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THE DEEPER PROBLEM WITH THE ARGUMENT

The argument repeatedly takes:

“Allah gave Muhammad a command”**

and somehow transforms it into:

Allah was obeying Muhammad.”**

Those are not the same thing.

If a king grants an ambassador authority to negotiate, the ambassador does not become the king.

If a government gives a judge authority to issue judgments, the judge does not become the government.

And if Allah gives His Messenger authority to teach, judge and implement revelation, the Messenger does not become Allah.

The Qur'an explicitly warns Muhammad himself:

f he had attributed to Us some false sayings, We would have seized him by the right hand; then We would have cut from him the aorta.
— Qur’an 69:44–46

That is hardly the picture of Allah being controlled by Muhammad.

The Prophet is repeatedly presented as **Allah's servant, messenger, recipient of revelation, and accountable servant.**

So the intellectually honest conclusion is not:

Muslims choose between Allah and Muhammad.”**

It is:

Muslims worship Allah alone and follow Muhammad because Allah commanded them to follow His Messenger.**

That distinction is at the very heart of Islamic monotheism.

Allah is the One worshipped.
Muhammad is the one who delivered the message.
Allah is the Master.
Muhammad is the Messenger.
Allah is the ultimate authority.
Muhammad ﷺ is the servant and Messenger who conveyed His authority.**

Confusing the Messenger with the One who sent him is precisely the theological error Islam itself warns against.

AntiChristian:
Indeed, He who watches over Israel never slumbers or sleeps. Psalm 121:4

This verse never mentions humanity or divinity as regards the LORD aka YHWH or Yahweh!

God never slumbers nor sleep.

Jesus slept soundly on a cushion in the stern of a boat during a violent storm on the Sea of Galilee, as recorded in the Gospels (Matthew 8:23-27, Mark 4:35-41).

Jesus is not God!

FSBoperator:
The FBI was able to discover a communication between Jews working in the Twin Towers telling each other not to go to work.

The used the Israeli (Mossad) web app Odigo to send messages to each other not to turn up to work .

Every Jew from Lucky Larry Silverstein (the owner of the twin towers who took out an insurance on the towers against terrorist attacks a few weeks before the attacks to current Trump senior cabinet member , Howard Lutnick who operated his private business office in the complex , did not show up for work.


The messenger app had accidentally sent the same message warning not to come to work to some gentiles who testified on recieving the message. All the gentiles will later die by suicide .

dofman:
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 na Claude again . No be deep seek again .

Guy you don cast . Stop disgracing yourself na

doffman:
Kininwi . I can see you have been disturbed ahaaa


🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 just see how this enemy of God is disgracing himself ahaaaa.

Ask yourself , how does this your reply debunked how I exposed you .

Let me do it this way :


You worship Jesus and chose him as a God ,

Now read Heb 5:7

Christ, in the days of His flesh, when He had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto Him that was able to save Him from death, and was heard in that He feared,


See your god crying and praying to another God 🤣🤣🤣


Between your god that is crying and the the real God your god is crying to , who deserve worship ?


Guy , you are finished seh.

Unbeliever ni e


Hell fire js waiting for you unless you repent .

Crying god , Lobatan

doffman:
Rubbish . You should know I am smarter than you nah.

In the topic of discussion . You have been defeated and stripped off .


Now you want to move to another topic 🤣

You have gone to your WhatsApp page to post rubbish as usual .,

I am not the person to cure you nah ; I can’t teach everything . Go meet your pastor that collect tithe from you .

Even your fake bible has replied you nah .


Zephaniah 3:9: "For then I will restore to the peoples a pure language, that they all may call on the name of the Lord, to serve Him with one accord."

Shioor

GreenCovering:
Sounds like trying to water down your position when you cannot fully defend the OP's claims.



Have you forgotten that we have a context already. Let me remind you of that: the OP's claim that muslims curse jews and christians 17 times daily. I used AI to verify the source of this claim and it narrowed it to the 17 times sura Fatiha is recited in the compulsory daily prayers. That context is squarely within the Holy Qur'an. Okay, now I see why you were against AI and the accuracy that it provides.



You still haven't proved anything because all of these inputs that you have made here are based on narrations that are not hadith. Rather, they were the practices of some companions that did not make it into the established religious rulings with stronger hadith backings whether in the Hanafi law or other schools. Moreover, when you look at those narrations in details, you will see that such prayers were offered with contextual conditions which you left out in your quotes. For example, rather than quoting "...and humiliate the disbelievers among the People of the Book...", stating "...and humiliate the disbelievers among the People of the Book who bar people from Your path..." would have provided a clearer context. Then to further weaken your argument, these prayers were made during the witr of tarawih which is outside of the 17 obligatory rakah's that make up the muslims daily prayer which is the core of the OP's post and which was done by a small segment of muslims and only recorded for keeping history. This additional prayers was neither advised by the Holy Prophet (s.a.w.) according to the version of the qunut that he handed down nor commanded by the Holy Qur'an. As a matter of fact, the Holy Prophet (s.a.w) advised against cursing others as already shown you in my previous post, also the Holy Qur'an taught us to pray against deviations, which as a matter of fact is not limited to Christians and Jews because Muslims are also culpable according to other hadiths. So your arguments is too far fetched to qualify for defending the OP's claim of muslims cursing at Christians and Jews 17 times in a day.



As far as you are not able to provide a religious source where this practice is canonised, then it falls short and remains a limited discontinued private practice.


Fixed: GreenCovering implies Al-Fatiha is NOT only about the Jews and Christians.

AntiChristian:
The verse i quoted didn't say that. It was a Spirit exchange from Yahweh. Hey, Good spirit come and you evil spirit go torment Saul.

Now the Spirit of the LORD had departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD tormented him. 1 Samuel 16:14

AntiChristian:
So where did the Evil Spirit come from?

Now the Spirit of the LORD had departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD tormented him. 1 Samuel 16:14 Just skip matter and talk your own!

Rashduct4luv:
I do not read any of these and i have never read them.
Why do you Christians like to lie like this?

Have you attended any Friday Khutbah in several mosques to know what they are saying?

Apart from the main Surah Al-Fatihah, which does not contain any curse like you said, i don't know all these.

Rashduct4luv:
Where is the part two?

TenQ:
Did you even make any attempt to read my post!?

Tell me where I misrepresented your religion?

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.................. DELETED ABOVE Are Tafsirs that show that Surah Al-Fatiha refers to Jews and Christians contrary to the ChatBot Image presented as evidence





BELOW IS THE PART TWO SHOWING THE ACTUAL CURSES IN YOUR PRAYERS
Now back to the Actual Curses

1. Is it UNTRUE that in the Witr prayer, some Muslims recite Qunoot that includes:

"Allahumma inna nasta'inuka wa nastaghfiruka... Allahumma al'an kafarata ahlil-kitab..."

Translation:
"O Allah, we seek Your help and ask Your forgiveness...O Allah, curse the disbelievers among the People of the Book..."


2. Is it UNTRUE that some Muslims include the he "Second Qunoot" (Du'a al-Qunoot in Witr)

With phrases like:
"Wa 'adhdhim 'ala ahli shirki kalimatak... wa qahhar kafarata ahlil-kitab..."

Translation:
"...and humiliate the disbelievers among the People of the Book..."


3. Is it UNTRUE that in the "Friday Khutbah"

Some sermons historically included:
"Allahumma al'an il-yahud wa'n-nasara wa'mn 'adahum"

Translation:
(O Allah, curse the Jews and Christians and those who follow them)

Rashduct4luv:
Learn to be respectful even if you call yourselves Christians.

Show you come from a good home.

doffman:
Your will explain tire ahaaaa.


You don cast nah 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

doffman:
I will show you how half knowledge you are and how you are indeed unbeliever :


You said these :





Omo, anybody that chose anyone or thing as a God instead of the real supreme God is a confirmed unbeliever and enemy of God .


Exodus 22:20: "Whoever sacrifices to any god, other than to the LORD alone, shall be put under a ban for destruction".

Exodus 20:3: "You shall have no other gods before me".

Joshua 24:15: Joshua challenges the people to choose whom they will serve—either the gods their ancestors served or the Lord—stating, "But as for me and my household, we will serve the LORD."

In fact , according to your own agbako book , they suppose to kpai u self 🤣🤣

Deuteronomy 13:6–10: Commands that anyone—even a close family member or friend—who secretly tries to entice others to go and worship other gods must be stoned to death

Lobatan . Shioor. You are finished ,

Even the person you called God said he has God 🤣










2. YES, I worship Jesus the ETERNAL WORD who became Human


You worship Wetin ? 🤣🤣

Does Jesus said you should worship him? 🤣


Luke 4:8: "And Jesus answered and said unto him, ‘Get thee behind Me, Satan! For it is written: “Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and Him only shalt thou serve.”


"Matthew 4:10: "Then Jesus said to him, ‘Away with you, Satan! For it is written: “Worship the Lord your God, and serve Him only.



See your life guy 🤣🤣🤣


Watch out my next post how I will combine you with your fellow unbelievers I have also drilled .


Your colleagues have undertood me
already ahaaaa