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ocsarjames34:
Eindhoven namaz vakti, or prayer times in Eindhoven, Netherlands, serve as vital markers for the Muslim community, guiding their daily spiritual obligations. These times are not merely schedules but reminders to pause, reflect, and connect with the divine. Amidst the vibrant streets and bustling city life of Eindhoven, these moments offer solace and tranquility, allowing individuals to seek solace in their faith amidst the whirlwind of modernity.

What do you mean by this?

Homiesjinxbank:
What do you think Putin ultimate goal is??

And spare me the Poland next bullshit...

I did not ask about Poland: I asked about Ukraine

1. What do you think is the ultimate goal of Putin (with Ukraine) if he wins the war over Ukraine?
2. If Ukraine surrenders to Putin, what would be their long-term gain?

ahmedio2017:
You never see anything, Russia is just playing with you because of the relationship you guys shared if not by now Ukraine would have collapse completely...... Usele.ss man

They are still playing with Ukraine with over 450,000 casualties and trillions of dollars burnt down military equipment?

Is life that cheap in Russia?

Matheusmartin:
They have been supporting u for about three years now.
If from your own assessment you think the war is unwinnable, throw in the towers now.

1. What do you think is the ultimate goal of Putin if he wins the war over Ukraine?
2. If Ukraine surrenders to Putin, what would be their long-term gain?

Thank you!

gaskiyamagana:
I have told you before. Its good you tried and a tria has convinced you now that I said, with my more than a year experience, he and his colleagues were ant Islam ROBOTICAL PROGRAMED persons whom, without format , deactivate and reprogram with inputs of genuine Islam information; it is wasting of precious time reasoning thinking and argument with them.
Jazakallahu Khayran.

When AntiChristian gave himself a name "AntiChristian", did it bother you?

When AntiChristian gave becan to write exclusively against Christians and everything we believe and stood for, we're you not happy that he was doing the work of Allah?

The difference between us (Islam and Christianity) is that
1. Islam is built on the foundation of lies, therefore it is easy to break Islam with the Truth
2. Mohammed couldn't keep his mouth shut as he is an expert and authority in Every field of Science. Knowledge is now everywhere thus Mohammed is being made a liar.
3. The Qur'an contain the formula to destroy it: "If the Quran was not from Allah, it would have contained many contradictions!" Unfortunately, the contradictions and errors are made plain now for everyone to see

Ohyoudidnt:
Just because you rely apparently strictly on hadith writings of men.

Did you not see this?

Sahih al-Bukhari 3810
Narrated Qatada:

Anas said, "The Qur'an was collected in the lifetime of the Prophet (ﷺ) by four (men), all of whom were from the Ansar: Ubai, Mu`adh bin Jabal, Abu Zaid and Zaid bin Thabit." I asked Anas, "Who is Abu Zaid?" He said, "One of my uncles."


Now you see the importance of Zaid in the collation of the Quran.

Go rest your anti Islam thoughts, you can never succeed.

It is not a product of debates and agreements of men in questionable councils with political undertones.

Lies usually need otheries to sustain itself. Do you know how you shot yourself in the foot.

Let's say this hadith is TRUE,
1. Where then is this Collected Qur'an of Mohammed and What happened to it?
Recall that Abubakr commissioned Zaid to collect the Qur'an from ALL-Over and he even had to look everywhere for Quran 9:128-129

Ohyoudidnt:
See the defect in your reasoning and questioning.

Did Uthman actually write the Quran or order for a committee to write and standardise in a bid to prevent loss of the actual recitations?

1. Can you please show me Any where insinuated that Uthman wrote the Qur'an?
2. Is it untrue that in ALL my posts, I have mentioned the fact that Zaid was commissioned to rewrite the Qur'an with his committee devoid of the four reciters nominated by Mohammed himself?

What can Muslims do without false accusations and fabrications?

Ohyoudidnt:
Uthman’s compilation not only preserved the original message of the Quran but also accommodated various Qira’ahs by ensuring that all legitimate readings were included in this unified text. By doing so, Uthman addressed concerns about potential differences in pronunciation, intonation, and wording that had emerged among different communities.

This monumental effort by Uthman helped establish a singular textual authority for Muslims worldwide, ensuring uniformity in recitation while respecting and incorporating the rich diversity of Qira’ah traditions within Islam.

I am disappointed you spent all these hours to further come here to ridicule yourself

I appeal to all my brothers and sisters in Islam to henceforth ignore TENQ and his stupid behaviour and foolish questions.

Maybe then the demons troubling him will give him a rest .

Repeating your preferred Narrative does not change the TRUTH as presented by me.

Will you kindly answer my questions if you truly think that your position is correct.


This saying is perfectly true:
A Muslim is one who believes and acts on the mantra of:
Don't confuse me with the Truth because I have already made up my mind


AGAIN:
1. Each of the 7 Qirats may be valid, however 6 of them were erased and only one was left. Is this not editing?
2. Did Jibril not reveal 7 Qirats? Did he make a mistake?
3. What does this phrase mean:
Sahih al-Bukhari 4984
..."In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit (Al-Ansari) regarding any dialectic Arabic utterance of the Qur'an, then write it in the dialect of Quraish, for the Qur'an was revealed in this dialect." So they did it.
4. Did Allah not command that the Quran be recited in 7 dialects, who instructed that one is okay?
Sahih Muslim 821a
Ubayy b. Ka'b reported that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) was near the tank of Banu Ghifar that Gabriel came to him and said:
Allah has commanded you to recite to your people the Qur'an in one dialect. Upon this he said: I ask from Allah pardon and forgiveness. My people are not capable of doing it. He then came for the second time and said: Allah has commanded you that you should recite the Qur'an to your people in two dialects. Upon this he (the Holy prophet) again said: I seek pardon and forgiveness from Allah, my people would not be able to do so. He (Gabriel) came for the third time and said: Allah has commanded you to recite the Qur'an to your people in three dialects. Upon this he said: I ask pardon and forgiveness from Allah. My people would not be able to do it. He then came to him for the fourth time and said: Allah has commanded you to recite the Qur'an to your people in seven dialects, and in whichever dialect they would recite, they would be right.



Let me ask you four clear simple questions:
1. Let us assume that Uthman wrote just one Qirat of the Quran, is this Qirat the Hafs Quran or the Warsh Quran or the Qalun Quran or the A-Duri Quran or the Khalaf Quran or the several other Qurans?

2. Is this statement untrue by Al-Suyuti
Al-Suyuti, Itqan, part 3, page 72
Said Abu ‘Ubaid:
Ismail b. Ibrahim related to us from Ayyub from Nafi ‘from Ibn ‘Umar (son of Umar) who said—Let none of you say, “I have learned the whole of the Koran,” for how does he know what the whole of it is, when much of it has disappeared? Let him rather say, “I have learned what is extant thereof.”


3. Is this statement untrue by Abu Harb
Sahih Muslim 1050
Abu Harb b. Abu al-Aswad reported on the authority of his father that Abu Musa al-Ash'ari sent for the reciters of Basra. They came to him and they were three hundred in number. They recited the Qur'an and he said:
You are the best among the inhabitants of Basra, for you are the reciters among them. So continue to recite it. (But bear in mind) that your reciting for a long time may not harden your hearts as were hardened the hearts of those before you. We used to recite a surah which resembled in length and severity to (Surah) Bara'at. I have, however, forgotten it with the exception of this which I remember out of it:" If there were two valleys full of riches, for the son of Adam, he would long for a third valley, and nothing would fill the stomach of the son of Adam but dust." And we used so recite a surah which resembled one of the surahs of Musabbihat, and I have forgotten it, but remember (this much) out of it:" Oh people who believe, why do you say that which you do not practise" (lxi 2.) and" that is recorded in your necks as a witness (against you) and you would be asked about it on the Day of Resurrection" (xvii. 13).

4. Is it untrue that Ibn Abbas the Cousin of your prophet said:
Sahih al-Bukhari 6829
Narrated Ibn `Abbas:
`Umar said, "I am afraid that after a long time has passed, people may say, "We do not find the Verses of the Rajam (stoning to death) in the Holy Book," and consequently they may go astray by leaving an obligation that Allah has revealed. Lo! I confirm that the penalty of Rajam be inflicted on him who commits illegal sexual intercourse, if he is already married and the crime is proved by witnesses or pregnancy or confession." Sufyan added, "I have memorized this narration in this way." `Umar added, "Surely Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) carried out the penalty of Rajam, and so did we after him."

Is Rajam in your Quran?

gaskiyamagana:
School: College of Christianization of Islam.
Nairaland Study Centre.
Provost: Islamic Profoolsor TenQ.
Course Code: Anti Quran Study AQS 100%
Course Title: BIBLICATION OF QUR'AN
Entry Behavior: Roboticalized Reasoning.
Objectives: At the end of the lesson, students
must have been thoroughly
brainwashed that:
1. Quran was faulty like Bible.
2. At least there were two versions
of Quran.
3. There are four reciters of Quran
according to Muhammad.
Studying Materials : Genuine anti Islam webs
Christianized Quran and
Hadith.
Methodology: Fallacious, fictitious, falsified
fabricated, misrepresented and
misinterpreted elucidation.
Presentation: Repetition of refutation of
irrefutablility of Qur'an.
Evaluation: The teacher will ask the students:
1. Was Quran not faulty like Bible?
2. How many versions of Quran?
3. Was there no difference between
first and second versions?

AFTER THE CLASS A CURIOUS STUDENT LIKE GASKIYAMAGANA WILL ASK THE TEACHER:
1 HOW CAN I GET VERSIONS OF THE QURAN AS WE HAVE VERSIONS OF BIBLE?
2. WHY 2 VERSIONS OF QUR'AN NOT TENS OF VERSION OF BIBLE?
3. WHY SO MUCH IS WRITTEN AND CONFIRMED ABOUT BIBLE'S FAULTS?

It's interesting to know that TenQ has no knowledge of this writeup Authored by You!

But you didn't even answer any questions I just referenced!

gaskiyamagana:
Is Muhammad not in the Bible?

Have you finally found one place where Mohammed's name is found in the Bible!?

I am all ears. Please bring it on

Ohyoudidnt:
As expected. Empty vessels ring loudest.

The various Qiraahs, or readings of the Quran, still conform to Uthman’s standardization. Despite the existence of different Qiraahs, they are all considered valid within the framework established by Uthman’s standardization of the Quranic text.

1. Each of the 7 Qirats may be valid, however 6 of them were erased and only one was left. Is this not editing?
2. Did Jibril not reveal 7 Qirats? Did he make a mistake?
3. What does this phrase mean:
Sahih al-Bukhari 4984
..."In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit (Al-Ansari) regarding any dialectic Arabic utterance of the Qur'an, then write it in the dialect of Quraish, for the Qur'an was revealed in this dialect." So they did it.
4. Did Allah not command that the Quran be recited in 7 dialects, who instructed that one is okay?
Sahih Muslim 821a
Ubayy b. Ka'b reported that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) was near the tank of Banu Ghifar that Gabriel came to him and said:
Allah has commanded you to recite to your people the Qur'an in one dialect. Upon this he said: I ask from Allah pardon and forgiveness. My people are not capable of doing it. He then came for the second time and said: Allah has commanded you that you should recite the Qur'an to your people in two dialects. Upon this he (the Holy prophet) again said: I seek pardon and forgiveness from Allah, my people would not be able to do so. He (Gabriel) came for the third time and said: Allah has commanded you to recite the Qur'an to your people in three dialects. Upon this he said: I ask pardon and forgiveness from Allah. My people would not be able to do it. He then came to him for the fourth time and said: Allah has commanded you to recite the Qur'an to your people in seven dialects, and in whichever dialect they would recite, they would be right.

Ohyoudidnt:
Muhammad Mustafa Al-Aʿzami and Yasin Dutton emphasy that the term “variant” may not accurately capture the nature of the Quran, which is inherently multi formic rather than having a singular fixed original. This perspective suggests that the different readings or Qiraahs do not deviate from the essence of the Uthmanic recension but rather represent valid expressions within the broader tradition of Quranic recitation.

Ibn Mujāhid played a significant role in enumerating seven acceptable modes of recitation in his work Kitab al-sabʿah fi al-qirāʾāt. These readings were selected based on widespread acceptance and representation from major centers of knowledge in the Muslim world. Subsequent scholars expanded this list to include additional reciters, leading to the canonical list of ten recognized Qiraahs.

Stop speaking on what you know nothing about. It doesn't alter the false creation by people in the numerous council meetings of a false divine Jesus that's co-equal to Allah

Let me ask you four clear simple questions:
1. Let us assume that Uthman wrote just one Qirat of the Quran, is this Qirat the Hafs Quran or the Warsh Quran or the Qalun Quran or the A-Duri Quran or the Khalaf Quran or the several other Qurans?

2. Is this statement untrue by Al-Suyuti
Al-Suyuti, Itqan, part 3, page 72
Said Abu ‘Ubaid:
Ismail b. Ibrahim related to us from Ayyub from Nafi ‘from Ibn ‘Umar (son of Umar) who said—Let none of you say, “I have learned the whole of the Koran,” for how does he know what the whole of it is, when much of it has disappeared? Let him rather say, “I have learned what is extant thereof.”


3. Is this statement untrue by Abu Harb
Sahih Muslim 1050
Abu Harb b. Abu al-Aswad reported on the authority of his father that Abu Musa al-Ash'ari sent for the reciters of Basra. They came to him and they were three hundred in number. They recited the Qur'an and he said:
You are the best among the inhabitants of Basra, for you are the reciters among them. So continue to recite it. (But bear in mind) that your reciting for a long time may not harden your hearts as were hardened the hearts of those before you. We used to recite a surah which resembled in length and severity to (Surah) Bara'at. I have, however, forgotten it with the exception of this which I remember out of it:" If there were two valleys full of riches, for the son of Adam, he would long for a third valley, and nothing would fill the stomach of the son of Adam but dust." And we used so recite a surah which resembled one of the surahs of Musabbihat, and I have forgotten it, but remember (this much) out of it:" Oh people who believe, why do you say that which you do not practise" (lxi 2.) and" that is recorded in your necks as a witness (against you) and you would be asked about it on the Day of Resurrection" (xvii. 13).

4. Is it untrue that Ibn Abbas the Cousin of your prophet said:
Sahih al-Bukhari 6829
Narrated Ibn `Abbas:
`Umar said, "I am afraid that after a long time has passed, people may say, "We do not find the Verses of the Rajam (stoning to death) in the Holy Book," and consequently they may go astray by leaving an obligation that Allah has revealed. Lo! I confirm that the penalty of Rajam be inflicted on him who commits illegal sexual intercourse, if he is already married and the crime is proved by witnesses or pregnancy or confession." Sufyan added, "I have memorized this narration in this way." `Umar added, "Surely Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) carried out the penalty of Rajam, and so did we after him."

Is Rajam in your Quran?

shoodboi2:
The bishop was stabbed while delivering a lecture condeming Israel's ongoing genocide in Gaza.

The stabber is not a Muslim as botragelad and the alternate handles he uses to comment are trying to insinuate.

The first stabbing that occured earlier, which botragelad talked about, was committed by a White Christian man named Joel Cauchi.

Since he's not a Muslim, they claimed the man had a "mental illness". But if he was a Muslim, they would have claimed he did it because of Islam and not because he is a murderer or has a mental illness.

Funny enough, our in-house Senior Clownmaster botragelad refused to post the news after initially lying that the stabber was a Muslim 🤡🤡

But I posted it and it made frontpage:

https://www.nairaland.com/8061379/joel-cauchi-sydney-mall-stabbing

Because it is normal of Muslims to kill or try to kill for Allah!
Is this untrue?

AbuTwins:
I said everyone enters paradise only by the will of God!

Can anyone enter paradise against the will of God?

AbuTwins:
He was talking to th disciples. So those outside are not the disciples but others!
They may be spiritually blind or not.

The Disciples of Jesus are ALL who follow him not just the Twelf Apostles

AbuTwins:
The context doesn't say this.

The context does: How many people can sit on the LEFT and the RIGHT hand of Jesus on His throne in Paradise?

AbuTwins:
This is false. Jesus told the rich ruler to obey the commandments, sell his properties, distribute it and follow him. And this is what will grant him eternal life. And if it is to believe in Jesus, that is part of the article of faith in Islam i.e. to believe in all Prophets from Adam to Muhammad. He who does not believe in Jesus or any other Prophet is not a Muslim.

The observance of the Law does not save this man
And concluded with the command FOLLOW ME (the Way, the Truth and the Life)

AbuTwins:
You know the answer. Moses and Noah practically saved their people in real time. They don't need to say it. Those who didn't follow Noah to the ark perished. Those who were against Moses when crossing the red sea lost. Moses and Noah were the link between the people and God. This is the same as what Jesus said.

Therefore you are making up conjectures: show me where any one of moses or Noah told people to follow them!

AbuTwins:
You guys will just be inputting trinity everywhere in the Bible where Trinity does not exist all. Jesus was 100% human and depended t on God just as Arius the Christian Priest from Alexandria claimed in the 4th Century!

This is ignorance from you. Stop saying what you don't know.

Allah himself does not understand what the Trinity is, how much more huis gullible followers?
1. Is the Trinity: Allah, Jesus and Mary (Quran 5:116)
2. Is God one in a Trinity?: (Quran 5:73)
Which one of the Two above is Trinity of Allah?

Unfortunately
The confused Mohammed said while he was disproving Trinity in Quran 4:171 says Jesus is a trinity

AbuTwins:
I quoted this earlier
Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, says in His holy Book (interpretation of the meaning):
He who obeys the Messenger (Muhammad SAW), has indeed obeyed Allah, but he who turns away, then we have not sent you (O Muhammad SAW) as a watcher over them. Qur'an 4:80

Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, says in His holy Book (interpretation of the meaning):
“And whoso obeys Allah and the Messenger (Muhammad (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him)), then they will be with those on whom Allah has bestowed His Grace, of the Prophets, the Siddiqoon (those followers of the Prophets who were first and foremost to believe in them, like Abu Bakr As-Siddeeq), the martyrs, and the righteous. And how excellent these companions are!” [an-Nisa’ 4:69].

Meanliness rants!

AbuTwins:
Jesus too said something similar that shows he is not omniscient as you claim!
Matthew 24:36
But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

Mark 13:32
No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

Jesus had no authority of himself
Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me. Matthew 28:18

I can do nothing by Myself; I judge only as I hear. And My judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. John 5:30

Is Jesus the WORD of Allah in Islam?
Is Jesus the SPIRIT of Allah in Islam?

Is it untrue that the Bible says that Jesus took upon Himself the form of a Servant?
If Jesus did not know the hour, then how did he say everything that would happen at the Hour?

AbuTwins:
So Muhammad does not know anything in Islam till it's revealed to him. We believed same as Jesus.

You have believed in Satan and his 419 agent!
Do you follow Jesus?
You don't: as you don't even know him because you are spiritually BLIND!

AbuTwins:
Righteousness is subjective.
Surfing through the old testament i can say your changed and became merciful and what have not! I can say Jesus was more peaceful than his father. There can be many talking points so don't divert.

I think I have compared it for you with adequate verses from your Bible!
Jesus is human and not God!

Righteousness is NOT subjective.
Righteousness is a PASS MARK according to God's standard

AbuTwins:
And there's no Trinity anywhere in the Bible.
God is only one!

There is Trinity of Jesus in the Quran!
There is no taoheed in the Quran!

There is only ONE God but you Muslims know a strange one.
1. The God of Abraham can enter into His creation, can Allah enter his creation?
2.The God of Abraham can be in heaven, on earth and everywhere at the same time. Can Allah be everywhere at the same time?
3. The God of Abraham does not need to eat, but He can eat if He chooses to. Can Allah eat if he chooses to?
4. The God of Abraham can have an offspring without a wife : can Allah have an offspring without a wife?

AbuTwins:
Everyone enters Paradise by the will of Allah. This is what Jesus may have meant when he said these statements:

A. As soon as Jesus was alone with the Twelve and those around Him, they asked Him about the parable. He replied, “The mystery of the kingdom of God has been given to you, but to those on the outside everything is expressed in parables. so that, ‘they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven. Mark 4:10-12

B. “You will indeed drink My cup,” Jesus said. “But to sit at My right or left is not Mine to grant. These seats belong to those for whom My Father has prepared them. Matthew 20:23

No sir.
Can anyone enter paradise against the will of God?

This is what Jesus meant
A. Who are those outside in Mark 4:10-12?
Can you show me if those on the outside are NOT the spiritually Blind?
B. Jesus was speaking of the Place of Elevation in paradise, not those who will enter paradise in Matthew 20:23

Those who enter paradise are those who have DONE the WILL of the Father with Respect of Entering Paradise according to
John 3:14-15
14 Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, 15 that everyone who believes (in God's Solution) may have eternal life in him.”

This is the WILL of the Father!

Following the LAW does not save BUT following the prescription of the Father in Heaven for entering Paradise does save.

AbuTwins:
No! Jesus didn't ask them to follow Allah! Jesus never even spoke Greek that the new testament was written in! He spoke Aramaic!
So Jesus told him to follow him the same way our Prophet told us to follow him.

Same way Moses told his people to follow him!
Same way Noah's people told his people to follow him!

That is the way of the Prophets!
Allah says what means: He who obeys the Messenger (Muhammad SAW), has indeed obeyed Allah, but he who turns away, then we have not sent you (O Muhammad SAW) as a watcher over them.

Jesus was right to have said his people of Israelites should follow him!
But did he ever say he was God or that they should worship him or God is trinity?

Show me just one place where Moses asked the Jews to Follow him.

Is it untrue that Jesus said:
John 14:6
6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

Tell me if any human being in history said this about himself

Can anyone who copies Mohammed enter paradise?
The answer is NO!

According to Allah, is this a safe person to follow?
Quran 46:9
Say, "I am not something original among the messengers, nor do I know what will be done with me or with you. I only follow that which is revealed to me, and I am not but a clear warner."

Most contemporary Muslims are more righteous than Mohammed: this can easily be proved!





On a serious note:
Please compare between Quran 46:9 and John 14:6 and think of who you should follow

Ohyoudidnt:
The Uthmani Codex aimed at standardizing the text of the Quran, it also allowed for flexibility in recitation through different Qiraahs.

The Uthmani Codex provided a unified text that preserved the integrity of the Quran while acknowledging and accommodating diverse modes of recitation.

By summarising or distilling 7 Qirats into ONE!?

Is this not Editing of the Qur'an?

Who gave the command for the destruction of the other six Qirats of Allah? Is the person also a prophet?

Ohyoudidnt:
As you do with arabic language you run with little information. When you learn more about the depth of the codex you may ask a question if any.

Till then stop using toddler language to approach serious matters.

Addressing one of your misunderstanding or outright character lies on Quran 33:23

No, the Qur’an of Uthman did not correct Abu Bakr’s Qur’an by adding Quran 33:23.

The verse from Surat Al-Ahzab (33:23) was actually found to be missing during the compilation of the Qur’an under Uthman. Zayd ibn Thabit, one of the companions involved in rewriting the manuscripts, mentioned that this verse was missed during the copying process. They later found it with Khuzaimah ibn Thabit Al-Ansari and included it in the compilation. This indicates that the verse was not added but rather rediscovered during the compilation process initiated by Uthman.

Zayd was involved in writing the Quran in the life time of Muhammad pbuh and was of those best equipped to recompile.

Now run along and get a proper schooling

As usual, you avoided almost every question to say this! SMH!

Khai!
Can Muslims do without fabrication of lies and conjectures?

Can you then please explain HOW and WHY Zaid did not find the missen verse in the Qur'an of Hafsa but with Khuza`ima bin Thabit Al-Ansari.


Sahih al-Bukhari 4988
Zaid bin Thabit added, "A verse from Surat Ahzab was missed by me when we copied the Qur'an and I used to hear Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) reciting it. So we searched for it and found it with Khuza`ima bin Thabit Al-Ansari. (That Verse was):
'Among the Believers are men who have been true in their covenant with Allah.' (33.23)



It is not compulsory to be able to write to be part of the committee to write the Qur'an: is the Qur'an not supposed to be a Recitation again!?
Can you show any evidence that ANY of the four ajudged by Mohammed as best reciter were part of the committee of Uthman?

Can you show any evidence that ANY of the four reciters agree perfectly with the Qur'an of Uthman?

AbuTwins:
Where did he preach himself? To the rich ruler who asked about eternal life?

To the five thousand he fed?

1. Can you explain why you think a person who follows the WHOLE law from his youth may still NOT enter Paradise?
2. Did Jesus ask the man to Follow Allah or to follow Him?


Mat 19:20-23:
"The young man said to him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? Jesus said to him, If you will be perfect, go and sell that you have, and give to the poor, and you shall have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions. Then said Jesus to his disciples, Truly I say to you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven."

Alhamdulillah!
After six pages of asking the same question, someone came close to responding on them except with his own fabrications to embellish his Qur'an of Allah

Ohyoudidnt:
Is collating the same as editing?

Let me go with you
1. If collation becomes reducing 7 books to one, it is editing sir. According to you seven books we're reduced to one Book (a summary)!
2. If the collation involves adding new words or verses to the Qur'an of Abubakr to make the new Qur'an of Uthman, then it is editing. Is it untrue that according to Zaid
a. Qur'an of with Abubakar has Quran 9:128-129 but missing Qur'an 33:23
b. Qur'an of Uthman corrected Abubakrs Qur'an by adding Quran 33:23

Ohyoudidnt:
Zaid chaired the committees to collate and compile all of the Quran into written Mushaf.

According to you, 7 Qirats were summarised to 1 or is it that 6 Qirats were deleted and only one Qirats was left.
Is this not a new edition of the Qur'an?

Ohyoudidnt:
The Quran collated by Abu Bakr encompassed the 7 Qira'at however the Uthmani codex became the standardized version of the Quran. This measure was to curtail possible corruption of the Quran as it rapidly spread to other regions.

Just to show you that you are fabricating conjectures
1. If this was true that Hafsa had 7 Qirats of the Qur'an (which included the Quraish qirat), why did they not just SELECT the useful Qirat and burn the remaining 6?
2. Why should they use the Dialect of the Quraish IF they disagree with Zaid?
If you are correct, a whole Qirat of the Qur'an was already in the Quraish Qirat: isn't it?
3. I challenge you to show me a single Islamic historical source that says that Hafsa's Qur'an consisted of 7 qirats: else, this is a wilful fabrication from you.

Ohyoudidnt:
Reciting and writing are not the same. Were the four reciters equally proficient in writing? Remember that Zaid was the scribe of Prophet Muhammad. Who will have been better to coordinate the process?

The four reciters were incorporated as definitely if there were errors they will speak about it. Their recitation was incorporated into the Mushaf compiled.

But doesn't the words of your prophet have weight again? It is not compulsory to be able to write to be part of the committee to write the Qur'an: is the Qur'an not supposed to be a Recitation again!?

I challenge you to show me evidence from your historical sources that any of the four reciters of the Qur'an was part of the committee?

I also challenge you to show me that any of the four reciters were pleased with the second Qur'an of Zaid?

Ohyoudidnt:
NO they are not different. Uthman's codex focused on a uniform and standardised style to prevent possible corruption of the Quran

Seven Qirats summarised to one using the rule of Quraish dialect has been shown to you that it is nothing other than EDITING!

gaskiyamagana:
Good.
Hope this is not wasted efforts as he will reply you will with fallacious, fictitious, falsified, fabricated, misrepresented and misinterpreted Qur'an and Hadith .

Sometimes I wonder how Islam reduces the IQ of Muslims.
Check which of my questions his writeup did any justice to




I am not contesting your history nor am I against your post except that none of what you have said answers my Questions.

These below are YES or NO Questions:
Did Zaid Zaid bin Thabit edit the Quran of Hafsa?
Were any of the Four Reciters of the Quran attested by Mohammed part of the Commitee of Zaid Zaid bin Thabit?

#The Questions are simple: If Zaid edited the Quran of hafsa, WHY?
#If none of the reciters of Mohammed are part of Zaid's committee, WHY?

Questions:
1. What was wrong with the Quran of Abu Bakr given to Hafsa to warrant editing by Zaid Zaid bin Thabit the second time?
2. There were four reciters of the Quran attested by Mohammed himself, why were none of them consulted in writing the Quran of Abu Bakr and later Uthman but instead Zaid Zaid bin Thabit was commissioned for the job?
3. Do you now agree that the first and second edition of the Arabic Quran were different?

ahmedio2017:
Stop all this ur epistle, did he call himself God?

Gone AWOL!?

Ohyoudidnt:
While these four reciters were revered for their proficiency in reciting and understanding the Quran, compiling it into a written form required specific skills related to transcription, verification, and organization that may not have been their primary expertise.

The selection of Zaid ibn Thabit to lead the compilation committee was likely based on his experience as a scribe during Prophet Muhammad’s lifetime and his meticulous attention to detail rather than solely on individual recitation skills.

The committee appointed by Abu Bakr aimed to ensure a comprehensive collection and verification process that involved multiple sources and cross-checking methods to guarantee accuracy and authenticity in preserving the Quranic text.

Zaid ibn Thabit was involved in the compilation of the Quran during the times of both Abu Bakr and Uthman.

I am not contesting your history nor am I against your post except that none of what you have said answers my Questions.

These below are YES or NO Questions:
Did Zaid Zaid bin Thabit edit the Quran of Hafsa?
Were any of the Four Reciters of the Quran attested by Mohammed part of the Commitee of Zaid Zaid bin Thabit?

#The Questions are simple: If Zaid edited the Quran of hafsa, WHY?
#If none of the reciters of Mohammed are part of Zaid's committee, WHY?

Questions:
1. What was wrong with the Quran of Abu Bakr given to Hafsa to warrant editing by Zaid Zaid bin Thabit the second time?
2. There were four reciters of the Quran attested by Mohammed himself, why were none of them consulted in writing the Quran of Abu Bakr and later Uthman but instead Zaid Zaid bin Thabit was commissioned for the job?
3. Do you now agree that the first and second edition of the Arabic Quran were different?

AbuTwins:
Jesus went throughout Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, proclaiming the good news of the kingdom, and healing every disease and sickness among the people. Matthew 4:23

Was he preaching about himself?

Yes sir. He was preaching about Himself.

Let me show you a sample of the message of Jesus

Luke 4:15-22
15He was teaching in their synagogues, and everyone praised him.
16He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. He stood up to read,
17and the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written:
18“The Spirit of the Lord is on me,
because he has anointed me
to proclaim good news to the poor.
He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners
and recovery of sight for the blind,to set the oppressed free,
19to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.”
20Then he rolled up the scroll, gave it back to the attendant and sat down. The eyes of everyone in the synagogue were fastened on him. 21He began by saying to them, “Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.”
22All spoke well of him and were amazed at the gracious words that came from his lips. “Isn’t this Joseph’s son?” they asked.
23Jesus said to them, “Surely you will quote this proverb to me: ‘Physician, heal yourself!’ And you will tell me, ‘Do here in your hometown what we have heard that you did in Capernaum.’ ”

Even though you cant understand the bible at least you understand some little English
Tell me, who was Jesus speaking about? Is it Mohammed?

Ohyoudidnt:
Exactly like a broken record this question is repeated even if paraphrased.
Seems the reality of the inconsistency of your trinitarian belief with monotheism pushes you.

Concisely for a repeated time as many have answered you before
The Quran's preservation is rooted in several factors: divine promise, meticulous oral transmission, detailed documentation, and rigorous scholarly efforts. Here are some key points supporting the preservation of the Quran:

1. Divine Promise:
Indeed, it is We who sent down the Qur'an and indeed, We will be its guardian." (Qur'an 15:9)

2. Oral Transmission:
Muslim communities prioritized memorization (hifz) and recitation (tajwid), ensuring accurate oral preservation.

3. Written Documentation:
During the Prophet Muhammad's (peace be upon him) life, portions of the Quran were written on various materials.

4. Compilation under Abu Bakr
After the Prophet's death, to preserve the Quran, Abu Bakr initiated the first collection into a single book, using written and memorized sources, incorporating testimonies from multiple companions.

5. Standardization under Uthman:
Caliph Uthman ibn Affan's era saw the Quran's standardization to a single dialect to prevent confusion as Islam spread.

6. Various Qira'at (Recitations):
These are authentic recitations tracing back to the Prophet, reflecting slight variations in pronunciation and dialectal use.

7. Scholarly Efforts:
Throughout Islamic history, scholars have meticulously documented and authenticated the chains of narration and the textual integrity of the Quran.

The differences in Qira'at, such as Hafs and Warsh, don't imply textual variation but rather highlight the richness of the Quran's oral tradition. Each Qira'ah has an authentic chain of transmission (isnad) and slight variations that are all considered as part of the original revelation.

Islamic scholarship holds that these factors combined have ensured that the Quran remains as it was revealed to the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), free from alteration.

I neither asked you about the Inspiration, nor history nor the importance of the Qur'an. I asked you simple questions with respect to specific reports from your hadiths to which you haven't answered at all


Questions:
1. What was wrong with the Quran of Abu Bakr given to Hafsa to warrant editing by Zaid Zaid bin Thabit the second time?
2. There were four reciters of the Quran attested by Mohammed himself, why were none of them consulted in writing the Quran of Abu Bakr and later Uthman but instead Zaid Zaid bin Thabit was commissioned for the job?
3. Do you now agree that the first and second edition of the Arabic Quran were different?

AbuTwins:
Your own too much?

Did Jesus ever tell anyone to preach about him?

Jesus was preaching the gospel not himself!

What then is the Gospel Message o and give us proof?

ahmedio2017:
Stop all this ur epistle, did he call himself God?

Answer :
Yes, Jesus did call Himself God in the Bible!

By the way: now that I have answered your question
1. Can you please answer mine!
Who is Al-Rahman?
Who is Al-Raheem?
Who is Al-Haqq?
Who is Al-Muhyee?
Who is Al-Awwal?
Who is Al-Aakhir?
Who is An-Nur?
Who is Al-Azeez?
2. Can Jibril or Mohammed or any Muslim bear ANY of the above names?
3. Do these names All occur directly in the Qur'an?


Please respond to my three questions! I hope you can for once be truthful and not evasive!

Antiislaam:
Even his alfa that beat hell out of his head when he was at "ile Kewu" can't answer those questions

Of course they can't Answer any of the questions without betraying the fact that Islam is a cascade of lies, fictions and dumb fabrications by both Mohammed and his Alias Allah

This is why they will do everything to sustain the lies they have memorised since childhood.

Of course, Muslims are people who live by the mantra:

Don't confuse me with the Truth because I have already made up my mind!

gaskiyamagana:
This is your answer or run away reply?

I have just exposed the fact that the Al-Makr is the one who decieves.

If not, tell me
So who was killed on the cross if it is not Jesus?
In whose presence did Allah take Jesus to himself?
Why did Allah deceived Mary the mother of Jesus and all His disciples that Jesus was crucified on the cross?

gaskiyamagana:
Story!
Super story!!

The Slaves of Allah have no response as the questions as they are well above their level of comprehension!

Who ever Allah misguides, who can guide aright: is truly true for his slaves!

gaskiyamagana:
1 Who is fooling who among biblical God, Jesus and Christianity?
2. Was it Biblical God that is fooling christians through Jesus?
3. Was it is Jesus that is fooling God through christians?
4. Was it christians that are fooling God through Jesus?
Sheep character is asking you those questions?

The Al-Makr , the great ancient Deceiver is the one deceiving the whole world

Quran 3:54
Literal: And they cheated/deceived and Allah cheated/deceived, and [s]Allah (is) the best (of) the cheaters/deceivers.[/s]


Quran 15:39
قَالَ رَبِّ بِمَآ أَغْوَيْتَنِى لَأُزَيِّنَنَّ لَهُمْ فِى ٱلْأَرْضِ وَلَأُغْوِيَنَّهُمْ أَجْمَعِينَ

Even satan was not spared the deception of Allah

So who was killed on the cross if it is not Jesus?
In whose presence did Allah take Jesus to himself?
Why did Allah deceived Mary the mother of Jesus and all His disciples that Jesus was crucified on the cross?

ahmedio2017:
God as father is not a biological father

No one calls God a biological Father for God is not flesh and Blood. God is a Spiritual father.

Is God your Spiritual father in Islam (according to the teachings of Jesus)?

ahmedio2017:
I'm following Jesus Christ PBUH teachings mind you Jesus Christ PBUH didn't command or is not part of his teachings that we should believe him as God or God the son, and Jesus didn't propagated trinity i.e God in three parts...

Then answer my Questions about the teachings of Jesus

1. Is God your Father as taught By Jesus?
2. Are you Born Again as per the command of Jesus for Salvation?
3. When you pray, do you make repetition of verses contrary to the teachings of Jesus?
4. Jesus said that he will die and be raised up after three days: do you believe that?

ahmedio2017:
There is no verse in the QUR'AN that contradicts any Jesus teachings

Is this according to the Quran?
Mark 9:30-31
30 They left that place and passed through Galilee. Jesus did not want anyone to know where they were, 31 because he was teaching his disciples. He said to them, “The Son of Man is going to be delivered into the hands of men. They will kill him, and after three days he will rise.”

Is this according to the Quran?
Matthew 6:9
9 So then, this is how you should pray: ‘Our Father in heaven, hallowed be Your name.


Is this according to the Quran?
John 10:36
Do you say of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, 'You are blaspheming,' because I said, 'I am the Son of God?'


Is this according to Islam
Matthew 19:8-9
Jesus replied, "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery”

Is this according to Islam?
Mathew 6:7
In praying, don't use vain repetitions, as the Gentiles do; for they think that they will be heard for their much speaking.

ahmedio2017:
Jesus Christ didn't said he will die and be RAISED up in three days that's fallacies.
He only prayed that Peace be upon me the day I was born the day I WILL die and the day I WILL BE RESURRECTED.

Mohammed who lived almost 600 years after Jesus is now the authority on Christ?
So who was killed on the cross if it is not Jesus?
In whose presence did Allah take Jesus to himself?
Why did Allah deceived Mary the mother of Jesus and all His disciples that Jesus was crucified on the cross?

Only manufacturers of conjectures will not be able to answer these three simple questions

ahmedio2017:
Ok I'm using this medium to tell you that I believed in Jesus Christ PBUH. What else?
He's not God or part of God....

If your claim is that you believe in Jesus, then answer why you dont follow his teachings or tell me if you follow Him by answering these questions below

1. Is God your Father as taught By Jesus?
2. Are you Born Again as per the command of Jesus for Salvation?
3. When you pray, do you make repetition of verses contrary to the teachings of Jesus?
4. Jesus said that he will die and be raised up after three days: do you believe that?

ahmedio2017:
Well don jawe my brother, those guys are seriously loosing it

cc: Qasim6:
Tell me:
How can Questions I asked you be be forgeries?

What was forged in the Questions?

Questions:
1. What was wrong with the Quran of Abu Bakr given to Hafsa to warrant editing by Zaid Zaid bin Thabit the second time?
2. There were four reciters of the Quran attested by Mohammed himself, why were none of them consulted in writing the Quran of Abu Bakr and later Uthman but instead Zaid Zaid bin Thabit was commissioned for the job?
3. Do you now agree that the first and second edition of the Arabic Quran were different?

ahmedio2017:
Lolz 😂😂😂😂
I believed in Jesus Christ PBUH, what exactly is your problem?
It is you that didn't believe in Jesus, Muhammad and Allah....


It is you that truly need to repent hence hell fire is your ABODE.

I don't Believe one bit in the Islamic Allah and the Fraudster who calls himself a prophet of Allah Mohammed

You don't Believe in Jesus one bit:
1. Is God your Father as taught By Jesus?
2. Are you Born Again as per the command of Jesus for Salvation?
3. When you pray, do you make repetition of verses contrary to the teachings of Jesus?
4. Jesus said that he will die and be raised up after three days: do you believe that?

You do not believe in Jesus one bit!

Qasim6:
You guys are just shameless!

With all those forgeries, all those interpolations, manuscripts not matching, couple with anonymous authors that riddled your holey forgery Bible, yet you have the audacity to question the veracity of the preservation of the Qur'an.

Incase you don't know, we have manuscript that date to the life time of the Prophet. You have nada from the first 3 century of Christainity.

Have some shame bro.

I pity your life!

1. I am not teaching you anything new other than what you believe and is written in your books. I am only asking Questions, so tell me how that is a problem for you?


Questions:
1. What was wrong with the Quran of Abu Bakr given to Hafsa to warrant editing by Zaid Zaid bin Thabit the second time?
2. There were four reciters of the Quran attested by Mohammed himself, why were none of them consulted in writing the Quran of Abu Bakr and later Uthman but instead Zaid Zaid bin Thabit was commissioned for the job?
3. Do you now agree that the first and second edition of the Arabic Quran were different?