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ahmedio2017:
I told you to stop mentioning me.
Quote me only when your sense is restored....

I love it when you are confounded with the Truth! what matters now is that you think and ask yourself the Questions your Clerics wouldn't want you to ask them.

Even in Islam, what is so special with the Messiah?
Until you know this would your deliverance be near!

The Truth sets Free my Brother!
Don't get to Hell before Accepting the Truth you rejected hear on earth

gaskiyamagana:
Christianity and it followers have same thing in common as I have stated before now: " FALLACY, ..... MISINTERPRETATION AND MISINTERPRETATION of TRUE GOD,.." about Islam

Have you read the book Animal Farm by George Orwell?
You sound exactly like the Sheep Character in the Novel!

They always thoughtlessly repeat the Phrase "Four Legs Good: Two Legs Bad!"

It's a pity that Islam always scatter on an intellectual basis and it is simply that Islam is based on cascades of Lies and Fabrications.

Dear Mr Qasim6 , youngdroly , Bliss52 , Qasim6 , truthday , Almunjid , hayzedibd , ahmedio2017 , Ahmadusmanu and Harnny

[s]Questions:
1. What was wrong with the Quran of Abu Bakr given to Hafsa to warrant editing by Zaid Zaid bin Thabit the second time?
2. There were four reciters of the Quran attested by Mohammed himself, why were none of them consulted in writing the Quran of Abu Bakr and later Uthman but instead Zaid Zaid bin Thabit was commissioned for the job?
3. Do you now agree that the first and second edition of the Arabic Quran were different?[/s]

Is your silence an indication of Lack of knowledge or Ignorance or fear of Revelation of long-held misconception about the Quran?

Details on the first page!

Antiislaam:
AntiChristian the chief slave of allah here on nairaland is no where to be found again

Are you planning of disgracing him by exposing either his lack of knowledge or his propensity for lies when he attempts to answer the given questions?


Questions:
1. What was wrong with the Quran of Quran of Abu Bakr given to Hafsa to warrant editing by Zaid Zaid bin Thabit the second time?
2. There were four reciters of the Quran attested by Mohammed himself, why were none of them consulted in writing the Quran of Abu Bakr and later Uthman but instead Zaid Zaid bin Thabit was commissioned for the job?
3. Do you now agree that the first and second edition of the Arabic Quran were different?

LegalWolf:
This chap just talks for talking sake. Our people sincerely dodged a bullet!

Hello Legalwolf,
I am just checking up on you.
How is work!

Try and find time to relax my Brother: don't burn yourself out because of work in UK!
Man doesn't live by work alone o!

Have a nice day!

Mynd44:
Actually, I don't agree with this.

According to the charge sheet, Bobrisky was charged with Mutilation of Naira noted from charge 1-4. The 5th charge was money laundering as about 170 million Naira was found in one of his accounts.

When he pleaded guilty, the 5th charge was dropped so this whole thing to me was a plea deal. He takes the first 4 charges and does a little time, loses the money and the 5th charge is dropped.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.channelstv.com/2024/04/04/efcc-to-arraign-bobrisky-for-alleged-money-laundering-on-friday/amp/


As you see, these two charges have most likely been dropped and he gets a slap on the wrist.

You analysed it well my brother!
It was a case of pleading Guilty and having a lesser humiliating punishment or haven to lose his money in the Bank as it would be difficult to prove the source of the Money.

Although:
The Judge was too harsh on Bobrisky (I don't like Bobrisky nor appreciate him one bit: but he is a Nigerian and a human being): I guess he could appeal but not without spending at least a month in Jail

gaskiyamagana:
I have said many things about you, your reasoning, thinking and understanding of Islam from Christianity foundation which are ' FALLACY, FICTION, FALSEHOOD..... "
As there are tens of different bible, so there must be different Qur'an?

I am sure you dont have several English translations of the Quran but at least we have:
Hafs Arabic Quran
Warsh Arabic Quran
Qalun Arabic Quran
Al-Duri Arabic Quran
Khalaf Arabic Quran
...
Which one of these is the Quran in the heaven of Allah?




Why is it difficult for you to answer me?
Questions:
1. What was wrong with the Quran of Abu Bakr given to Hafsa to warrant editing by Zaid Zaid bin Thabit the second time?
2. There were four reciters of the Quran attested by Mohammed himself, why were none of them consulted in writing the Quran of Abu Bakr and later Uthman but instead Zaid Zaid bin Thabit was commissioned for the job?
3. Do you now agree that the first and second edition of the Arabic Quran were different?

gaskiyamagana:
Christianity is founded on "....... FALSEHOOD FABRICATION MISINTERPRETATION and MISREPRESENTATION of true God and messengers especially Is (asw).
Jesus was sent to the lost sheep of Israel, not Africa or Nigeria people.

Have you read this before?
John 20:21
Again he said, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, so I am sending you.”

Mark 16:15
And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.


Unfortunately, Mohammed was not sent to you as he was sent to the Arabs in the language of Arabic!

Quran 43:3
Indeed, We have made it an Arabic Qur'an that you might understand.
Do you understand Arabic?

Quran 42:7
And thus We have revealed to you an Arabic Qur'an that you may warn the Mother of Cities [Makkah] and those around it and warn of the Day of Assembly, about which there is no doubt. A party will be in Paradise and a party in the Blaze.
Are you from Mecca or cities around it?

gaskiyamagana:
I have said many things about you, your reasoning, thinking and understanding of Islam from Christianity foundation which are ' FALLACY, FICTION, FALSEHOOD..... "
As there are tens of different bible, so there must be different Qur'an?

These are mere Questions o not teachings or doctrine: still you get yourself agitated and fearful!

Why is it difficult for you to answer me?
Questions:
1. What was wrong with the Quran of Abu Bakr given to Hafsa to warrant editing by Zaid Zaid bin Thabit the second time?
2. There were four reciters of the Quran attested by Mohammed himself, why were none of them consulted in writing the Quran of Abu Bakr and later Uthman but instead Zaid Zaid bin Thabit was commissioned for the job?
3. Do you now agree that the first and second edition of the Arabic Quran were different?

gaskiyamagana:
You remind me of 16 missing verses from the Bibles of the present compared to the early one that l listed and to which haven't answered.

Just 16 missing verses in the Bible!?
Can you compare it with Surah Al-Ahzaab being as Long as Surah Al-Baqarah (according to Aisha), where are the remaining verses?
Can you tell us where the verses on stoning adulterers are in the Quran: Is it untrue that they used to be recited as Quran?
Can you tell us where the verses on breastfeeding an Adult man ten times later abrogated to five are in the Quran: Is it untrue that they used to be recited as Quran?
Is it untrue that:
‘Abdullah bin ‘Umar reportedly said: “Let none of you say, ‘I have got the whole of the Qur’an.’ How does he know what all of it is? MUCH OF THE QUR’AN IS GONE. Let him say instead, ‘I have got what has survived.’

At least Christians did not make bogus claim for their Bible which was written by Human beings like you and me.
At least Christians did not claim that their Bible is a direct dictation from God unlike the Quran.

The problem with you Muslims is that
1. Your Quran is the DIRECT speech of ALLAH: it is a serious issue if only one verse is missing
2. Your Quran is the DIRECT speech of ALLAH: it is a serious issue if just one error is found in it

You have a serious problem sir and it is too late to conceal the evidences against Islam!

AbuTwins:
When Martin Luther broke away from the Catholic church didn't he reduce your scriptures from 73 to 66 calling the extras apocrypha?
Those apocrypha are what? Mawdoo and Da'eef!

Apocrypha Book are neither Maudu or Daif. They are Historical Books written by Jewish Scribes before the time of Jesus for their Library collection and NOT Scripture!
Please answer: Are the Apocrypha books part of the Scripture of the Jews?

If ALL the words of your prophet are inspired as you claim:
Why then do you reject all you don't like from Mohammed as Maudu or Daif?
Do you accept All Sahih Hadiths of Mohammed?

AbuTwins:
Yeah, he did perform many miracles and also claimed false prophets can do Miracles too. So the ability to perform miracles is baseless!

1. If it was useless, can you explain why Allah gave miracles and signs to his messengers?
Are you accusing Allah of thoughtlessness?
2. I will like to know of just one miracle performed by Mohammed
Are you aware that Allah claimed that he did NOT give Mohammed any Miracle?

Quran 6:37
They also say, 'Why has no sign (ayatun) been sent down upon him from his Lord?' Say: 'Surely God is able to send down a sign (ayatan), but most of them know not.'
Quran 13:7
The unbelievers say, 'Why has a sign (ayatun) not been sent down upon him from his Lord?' Thou art ONLY a warner, and a guide to every people.

Do I have to teach you proper Islam?

AbuTwins:
Messenger there may mean the Angel Gabriel. He is the messenger of scriptures who thought Muhammad salallahu alayhi wasalam the scripture!

You are not sure again!?
But even if we go with you: the implication is that Jibril is the AUTHOR of the Quran and not Allah!
Qur'an 69:40
[That] indeed, the Qur'an is the word of a noble Messenger. Jibril

Which is the truth?

Secondly,
Who else saw Jibril or can attest to him apart from Mohammed?
What is/are your evidence?

FYI: Jibril visited me last night when I was reading the Quran. He had 700 wings and he was as tall as the building.

AbuTwins:
How are all these related to the thread "What Was Wrong With Abubakar's Quran: Perfect Preservation Of The Quran"?

You guys are just pathetic with your circular illogical reasoning! You'll open one thread and after that is countered you start going in circles to other questions till eternity!
Anyways I'm done here!

All because you despise the Truth!

I have shown you.
Here is at least one documented difference
1. Qur'an of Abubakar has Quran 9:128-129 but missing Qur'an 33:23
2. Qur'an of Uthman corrected Abubakr's Qur'an by adding Quran 33:23


Is the above TRUE or FALSE!?

gaskiyamagana:
Leave islam and muslims alone, deal with your religion that is founded on FALLACY FICTION, FALSEHOOD FABRICATION MISINTERPRETATION and MISREPRESENTATION of true God and messengers, especially prophet Isa (asw).

Sorry Bro!

I am compelled by Christ Himself to reach out to you.

Mark 16:15-16
15 He (Jesus) said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

John 3:18
Whoever believes in Him (Jesus) is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.



Is your name written in the Register of Heaven (the Book of Life)?
Rev 20:15
15 And if anyone was found whose name was not written in the Book of Life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

This is why I do what I do: I will NOT be guilty of not doing my best for your eternity

AbuTwins:
Allah says in Qur'an 53:3-4 what means "Nor does he (Muhammad salallahu alayhi wasalam) speak of (his own) desire. It is only an Inspiration that is inspired.

So whatever he says regarding Islam is inspired!

But you reject all you don't like from Mohammed as Maudu or Daif?

AbuTwins:
Just as you believe that Jesus can do nothing of his own as he hear so he judges....

Jesus had Miracles attesting to the fact that He is from God: don't He!?

AbuTwins:
So stop the nonsense diversion tactics!

Firstly
The Quran actually says that it is the words of Mohammed

Qur'an 69:40
[That] indeed, the Qur'an is the word of a noble Messenger.

Secondly,
What is the evidence that the Qur'an was from Allah?

For other prophets, God gives them signs (Miracles, Prophecies, Attributes) that show to people that these men are from God.
1. What is the evidence for Jibril?
2. What is the Evidence from Allah that Mohammed is sent by him?

gaskiyamagana:
Salam 'alaykum.
I don't know whether you are aware that TenQ and Co are monthly paid Nuisance of Islam in religion section of Nairaland?
I have bee with them here more than a year and I have discovered that. My candid advice for is to ignore them with shorted reply, because they are anti Islam ROBOTICAL PROGRAMED, whom it is wasting of time reasoning thinking and argument to answer, not even to convince them. What I mean is that if they are not format, disable and reprogram; discussing Islam issues with them is exercise in futility.
Mas-salam.

See fear written All over your faces!

TenQ and Co were PAID to cause "Nuisance of Islam in religion section of Nairaland"!?
1. Who is paying TenQ and Co (is it Seun the founder of Nairaland.com)?
2. How much is the monthly salary? If the amount is good, you may have more people willing to join!

Tell me:
Why do you hate the truth this much?
Are their things I say about Islam that I don't show you Evidences from your own Islamic books?

Why do you want to enter hell before acknowledging the truth?

For your information :
I write against Islam because it is a deception of satan to take you away from the Salvation of God through the Messiah.

Does it matter if Adam was decieved by Iblis or not at the end of the day. Didn't Adam pay the price for his own deception?
So also you Muslims!


Quran 19:71
There is not one of you who will not go down to it (the Fire), that is a fixed Decree of your Lord

All of you entering the fire!?
Shouldn't this concern you?

gaskiyamagana:
Reading this is meaningful to only those who knew not that you are trying hard to present Islam from FALLACY, FICTION, FALSEHOOD, FABRICATION MISREPRESENTATION and MISINTERPRETATION - the foundation of Christianity.
As I always laughed and said that I pity those who will be wasting their time, reasoning thinking and argument to answer or explain anything to you about the jargon - jargons you are ROBOTICALLY PROGRAMED to display, as NUISANCE to Islam in the religion section of Nairaland.

My questions were simple AND I didn't ask for the history of the compilation of the Qur'an as I already stated it.


Questions:
1. What was wrong with the Quran of Quran of Abu Bakr given to Hafsa to warrant editing by Zaid Zaid bin Thabit the second time?
2. There were four reciters of the Quran attested by Mohammed himself, why were none of them consulted in writing the Quran of Abu Bakr and later Uthman but instead Zaid Zaid bin Thabit was commissioned for the job?
3. Do you now agree that the first and second edition of the Arabic Quran were different?


You might want to help him if you can!

AbuTwins:
In the response of Rashduct4luv above, Zaid Ibn Thabit was commissioned to compile the Qur'an by Abu Bakr the first Caliph. He didn't edit it later but copied it with other Sahabahs.

Uthman the third Caliph requested for the compiled Qur'an from Hafsah bnt Umar. And this was copied and sent to Muslim lands.

Where did your edition came from?

1. The Qur'an of Abubakr was missing at least with evidence A verse from Surat Ahzab

Sahih al-Bukhari 4988
Zaid bin Thabit added, "A verse from Surat Ahzab was missed by me when we copied the Qur'an and I used to hear Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) reciting it. So we searched for it and found it with Khuza`ima bin Thabit Al-Ansari. (That Verse was):
'Among the Believers are men who have been true in their covenant with Allah.' (33.23)

2. Is it untrue that Zaid did not just copy the Qur'an of Hafsa (Abubakr) but rewrote a NEW Qur'an both from the Qur'an of Hafsa AND from the collection and memory of other Muslims?

Jami` at-Tirmidhi 3104
Narrated Az-Zuhri:
... So Hafsah sent the manuscripts to 'Uthman bin 'Affan. 'Uthman then sent order for Zaid bin Thabit, Sa'eed bin Al-'As, 'Abdur-Rahman bin Al-Harith bin Hisham, and 'Abdullah bin Az-Zubair to copy the manuscripts in the Musahif. 'Uthman said to the three Quraish men: 'In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the (recitation dialect of the) Qur'an, then write it in the dialect of Quraish for it was in their tongue.' So when they had copied the manuscripts, 'Uthman sent one Mushaf from those Musahif that they had copied to every province." Az-Zuhri said: "Kharijah bin Zaid [bin Thabit] narrated to me that Zaid bin Thabit said: 'I missed an Ayah of Surat Al-Ahzab that I heard the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) reciting: Among the believers are men who have been true to their covenant with Allah, of them some have fulfilled their obligations, and some of them are still waiting (33:23) - so I searched for it and found it with Khuzaimah bin Thabit, or Abu Khuzaimah, so I put it in its Surah.'" Az-Zuhri said: "They differed then with At-Tabut and At-Tabuh. The Quraish said: At-Tabut while Zaid said: At-Tabuh. Their disagreement was brought to 'Uthman, so he said: 'Write it as At-Tabut, for it was revealed in the tongue of the Quraish.'"
..


Can you see that Hafsa's Qur'an was not just COPIED but Rebuilt from other sources?
This is a new EDITION of the Qur'an not identical to the Qur'an of Hafsa

AbuTwins:
This is a lie from the pit of hell. Recitation is different from memorisers!

We need memorisers to compile the Qur'an not reciters! It was memorisers that died that necessitated compilation of the Qur'an in the first place!

Where did you learn this.
Are you saying that these four are not memorisers of the Qur'an!?

You may want to tell us the difference between a reciter and a memorise when their was no written Qur'an!

AbuTwins:
What's the difference?
Show me the difference?
Everything is posted by rashduct4luv up there but you won't read!

I have shown you.
Here is at least one documented difference
1. Qur'an of with Abubakar has Quran 9:128-129 but missing Qur'an 33:23
2. Qur'an of Uthman corrected Abubakrs Qur'an by adding Quran 33:23

AbuTwins:
Muhammad salallahu alayhi wasalam gave them the order!

Will you shut up if I give you the proof?

Not Allah himself but Mohammed gave order to burn the book of Allah!?

Meaning that Mohammed is the author of the Qur'an

AbuTwins:
Rashduct4luv don plug the holes above!

Let's wait for the rantings of your Oga at the top!

You sabi tell lies but you get oga!

What was his response to these three Questions I asked as he did NOT address any of them. Your friend is a historian but he was asked a comprehension question and not a repetition of memorisation question

Questions:
1. What was wrong with the Quran of Quran of Abu Bakr given to Hafsa to warrant editing by Zaid Zaid bin Thabit the second time?
2. There were four reciters of the Quran attested by Mohammed himself, why were none of them consulted in writing the Quran of Abu Bakr and later Uthman but instead Zaid Zaid bin Thabit was commissioned for the job?
3. Do you now agree that the first and second edition of the Arabic Quran were different?


You might want to help him if you can!

Rashduct4luv:
From my post here in 2019 https://www.nairaland.com/5569177/wrote-quraan-how-it-put

Question
Who wrote the Qur’aan and how was it put together?

Answer
Praise be to Allaah.

Firstly:
Allaah has guaranteed to preserve this Qur’aan Himself. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Verily, We, it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e. the Qur’aan) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption)”
[al-Hijr 15:9]

Ibn Jareer al-Tabari said in his Tafseer, 14/8:
Allaah is saying, it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (Reminder), i.e. the Qur’aan, and We will guard the Qur’aan against anything false being added to it that is not part of it, or anything that is part of it being taken away, whether that has to do with rulings, hudood punishments or matters having to do with inheritance.

Al-Sa’di said in his Tafseer (p. 696):
It is We Who have sent down the Qur’aan in which there is mention of all issues and clear evidence, and in which We remind those who want to be reminded.

“and surely, We will guard it” means, when it is being revealed and after it has been revealed. When it is revealed, We protect it from the tampering of every accursed devil, and after it has been revealed Allaah instilled it in the heart of His Messenger. Allaah protected the words from being changed and from anything being added or taken away, or from its meanings being distorted. So no one can attempt to distort its meanings but Allaah will guide someone to explain the truth of the Qur’aan. This is one of the greatest signs of Allaah and His blessing to His believing slaves. Another aspect of this protection is that Allaah protects the people of the Qur’aan against their enemies, and no enemy can overpower them and eliminate them.

The Qur’aan was revealed to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) in stages over a period of twenty-three years. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And (it is) a Qur’aan which We have divided (into parts), in order that you might recite it to men at intervals. And We have revealed it by stages”
[al-Isra’ 17:106]

Al-Sa’di (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:
This means, We have revealed this Qur’aan in stages, to differentiate between guidance and misguidance, between truth and falsehood.

“in order that you might recite it to men at intervals” means, slowly, so that they may ponder and think about its meanings, and understand the different branches of knowledge contained therein.

“And We have revealed it by stages” means, gradually, over a period of twenty-three years.
Tafseer al-Sa’di, p. 760.

Secondly:
Literacy was not widespread among the Arabs. Allaah described them in such terms when He said (interpretation of the meaning):

“He it is Who sent among the unlettered ones a Messenger (Muhammad) from among themselves”
[al-Jumu’ah 63:2]

They used to memorize the Qur’aan by heart, and a few of them used to write down some verses or soorahs on animal skins, thin white stones and the like.

Thirdly:
At first the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade the writing of anything other than the Qur’aan, and he forbade them to write down his words for a while, so that the Sahaabah would focus on memorizing the Qur’aan and writing it down, and so that the words of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) would not be confused with the words of Allaah, and so the Qur’aan was protected from anything being added or taken away.

Fourthly:
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) appointed a group of his companions who were trustworthy and knowledgeable to write down the revelation. They are known in their biographies as those who wrote down the Revelation, such as the four Caliphs, ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Amr ibn al-‘Aas, Mu’aawiyah ibn Abi Sufyaan, Zayd ibn Thaabit and others – may Allaah be pleased with them all.

Fifthly:
The Qur’aan was revealed in seven dialects as was narrated in the saheeh hadeeth of ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab (may Allaah be pleased with him) from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). This was narrated by al-Bukhaari (2287) and Muslim (818); these were the dialects of the Arabs which were known for their eloquence.

Sixthly:
The Qur’aan continued to be preserved in the hearts of the Sahaabah who had memorized it, and on the skins and other materials until the time of the caliph Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq (may Allaah be pleased with him). During the Riddah wars many of the Sahaabah who had memorized the Qur’aan were killed, and Abu Bakr (may Allaah be pleased with him) was afraid that the Qur’aan would be lost. So he consulted the senior Sahaabah about compiling the Qur’aan in a single book so that it would remain preserved and would not be lost. He entrusted this mission to the chief of memorizers Zayd ibn Thaabit (may Allaah be pleased with him). Al-Bukhaari narrated in his Saheeh (4986) that Zayd ibn Thaabit (may Allaah be pleased with him) said:

Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq sent for me when the people of al-Yamaamah had been killed [i.e., a number of the Prophet's Companions who fought against the false prophet Musaylimah]. (I went to him) and found ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab sitting with him. Abu Bakr then said (to me), “ ‘Umar has come to me and said: ‘Casualties were heavy among the Qurra' of the Qur'aan (i.e. those who knew the Qur’aan by heart) on the day of the battle of al-Yamaamah, and I am afraid that more heavy casualties may take place among the Qurra' on other battlefields, whereby a large part of the Qur’aan may be lost. Therefore I suggest that you (Abu Bakr) order that the Qur’aan be collected.” I said to 'Umar, "How can you do something that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not do?" 'Umar said, "By Allah, this is something good." 'Umar kept on urging me to accept his proposal till Allaah opened my heart to it and I began to realize the good in the idea which 'Umar had realized." Then Abu Bakr said (to me). “You are a wise young man and we do not have any suspicion about you, and you used to write the Divine Inspiration for the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). So search for (the fragmentary scripts of) the Qur’aan and compile it in one book." By Allah If they had ordered me to move one of the mountains, it would not have been heavier for me than this ordering me to compile the Qur’aan. Then I said (to Abu Bakr), "How can you do something that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not do?" Abu Bakr replied, "By Allaah, it is a good thing." Abu Bakr kept on urging me to accept his idea until Allaah opened my heart to that to which He had opened the hearts of Abu Bakr and 'Umar. So I started looking for the Qur’aan and collecting it from (what it was written on) palm stalks, thin white stones and also from the men who knew it by heart, until I found the last Verse of Soorat al-Tawbah with Abu Khuzaymah al-Ansaari, and I did not find it with anybody other than him. The verse is (interpretation of the meaning):

"Verily, there has come unto you a Messenger (Muhammad) from amongst yourselves. It grieves him that you should receive any injury or difficulty...” [al-Tawbah 9:128] until the end of Soorat Baraa’ah (i.e., al-Tawbah).

Then the complete manuscript (copy) of the Qur’aan remained with Abu Bakr until he died, then with 'Umar until the end of his life, and then with Hafsah, the daughter of 'Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him).

The Sahaabi Zayd ibn Thaabit (may Allaah be pleased with him) knew the Qur’aan by heart but he was methodical in his confirmation; he would not agree to write down any verse until two of the Sahaabah testified that they had heard it from the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

This Mus-haf (written copy of the Qur’aan) remained in the hands of the caliphs until the time of the Rightly-Guided Caliph ‘Uthmaan ibn ‘Affaan (may Allaah be pleased with him). The Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them) had dispersed to different lands, and they used to recite the Qur’aan according to what they had heard of the seven recitations from the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and each of their students used to recite according to what he had heard from his shaykh. If a student heard someone reciting in a manner different from what he knew, he would denounce him and accuse him of making a mistake, and this went on until the Sahaabah feared that there would be fitnah (trouble) between the Taabi’een and successive generations. So they thought that they should unite the people in following one recitation, which was in the dialect of Quraysh in which the Qur’aan had first been revealed, so as to dispel any disputes and resolve the matter. ‘Uthmaan (may Allaah be pleased with him) was consulted, and he agreed with this opinion.

Al-Bukhaari narrated in his Saheeh (4988) from Anas ibn Maalik that Hudhayfah ibn al-Yamaan came to ‘Uthmaan at the time when the people of Shaam (Syria) and the people of Iraq were waging war to conquer Armenia and Azerbaijan. Hudhayfah was alarmed by their (the people of Sham and Iraq) differences in the recitation of the Qur’aan, so he said to 'Uthmaan, "O Ameer al-Mu’mineen! Save this nation before they dispute about the Book (Qur’aan) as the Jews and the Christians did before." So 'Uthmaan sent a message to Hafsah saying, "Send us the manuscript of the Qur’aan so that we may make copies of the Mus-haf and we will return the manuscript to you."

Hafsah sent it to 'Uthmaan. Then 'Uthmaan ordered Zayd ibn Thaabit, 'Abdullah ibn al-Zubayr, Sa’eed ibn al-‘Aas and ‘Abd al-Rahmaan ibn Haarith ibn Hishaam to copy out the manuscripts. 'Uthmaan said to the three men who were from Quraysh (the tribe of which the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was a member), “In case you disagree with Zayd ibn Thaabit on any point in the Qur’aan, then write it in the dialect of Quraysh, for the Qur’aan was revealed in their tongue." They did so, and when they had written many copies, 'Uthmaan returned the original manuscripts to Hafsah.

'Uthmaan sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur'aanic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt.

Ibn Shihaab said: Khaarijah ibn Zayd ibn Thaabit told me that he heard Zayd ibn Thaabit say: “When we made copies of the Mus-haf I missed a verse of al-Ahzaab that I used to hear the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) recite. So we searched for it and we found it with Khuzaymah ibn Thaabit al-Ansaari. (The verse was) ‘Among the believers are men who have been true to their covenant with Allaah’ [al-Ahzaab 33:23 – interpretation of the meaning]. So we put it in its place in its soorah in the Mus-haf.”

Thus an end was put to dispute and the Muslims were united. The Qur’aan has remained and will remain narrated from generation to generation and preserved in men's hearts until the Day of Resurrection. This is how Allaah has preserved His Book, in confirmation of the verse in which He says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Verily, We, it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e. the Qur’aan) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption)”
[al-Hijr 15:9]

And Allaah knows best.

I am sure you very well know that I did NOT ask you for the History of the Revelation or the Compillation of the Quran. I asked you only three Questions and you addressed NONE of it
Questions:
1. What was wrong with the Quran of Quran of Abu Bakr given to Hafsa to warrant editing by Zaid Zaid bin Thabit the second time?

2. There were four reciters of the Quran attested by Mohammed himself, why were none of them consulted in writing the Quran of Abu Bakr and later Uthman but instead Zaid Zaid bin Thabit was commissioned for the job?

3. Do you now agree that the first and second edition of the Arabic Quran were different?

Rashduct4luv:
How did you determine the first and second times from the Hadiths?

Easy!

1. Is it true that Zaid Ibn Thabith was commissioned to compile the Quran TWICE: First by Abubakr and Secondly by Uthman?
2. Is it true that the last verse that Zaid found when he was compiling the Quran for Abubakar was in Surat at-Tauba (Repentance) and with Abi Khuzaima Al-Ansari

Sahih al-Bukhari 4986
Narrated Zaid bin Thabit:
Abu Bakr As-Siddiq sent for me when the people of Yamama had been killed (i.e., a number of the Prophet's Companions who fought against Musailima). (I went to him) and found `Umar bin Al- Khattab sitting with him. Abu Bakr then said (to me), "`Umar has come to me and said: "Casualties were heavy among the Qurra' of the Qur'an (i.e. those who knew the Qur'an by heart) on the day of the Battle of Yamama, and I am afraid that more heavy casualties may take place among the Qurra' on other battlefields, whereby a large part of the Qur'an may be lost. Therefore I suggest, you (Abu Bakr) order that the Qur'an be collected." I said to `Umar, "How can you do something which Allah's Apostle did not do?" `Umar said, "By Allah, that is a good project." `Umar kept on urging me to accept his proposal till Allah opened my chest for it and I began to realize the good in the idea which `Umar had realized." Then Abu Bakr said (to me). 'You are a wise young man and we do not have any suspicion about you, and you used to write the Divine Inspiration for Allah's Messenger (ﷺ). So you should search for (the fragmentary scripts of) the Qur'an and collect it in one book." By Allah If they had ordered me to shift one of the mountains, it would not have been heavier for me than this ordering me to collect the Qur'an. Then I said to Abu Bakr, "How will you do something which Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) did not do?" Abu Bakr replied, "By Allah, it is a good project." Abu Bakr kept on urging me to accept his idea until Allah opened my chest for what He had opened the chests of Abu Bakr and `Umar. So I started looking for the Qur'an and collecting it from (what was written on) palme stalks, thin white stones and also from the men who knew it by heart, till I found the last Verse of Surat at-Tauba (Repentance) with Abi Khuzaima Al-Ansari, and I did not find it with anybody other than him. The Verse is: 'Verily there has come unto you an Apostle (Muhammad) from amongst yourselves. It grieves him that you should receive any injury or difficulty..(till the end of Surat-Baraa' (at-Tauba) (9.128-129). Then the complete manuscripts (copy) of the Qur'an remained with Abu Bakr till he died, then with `Umar till the end of his life, and then with Hafsa, the daughter of `Umar.

3. Is it true that Zaid reported that he missed out a verse while compiling the Quran and he had to look for it and found it with Khuza`ima bin Thabit Al-Ansari.?

Sahih al-Bukhari 4988
Zaid bin Thabit added, "A verse from Surat Ahzab was missed by me when we copied the Qur'an and I used to hear Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) reciting it. So we searched for it and found it with Khuza`ima bin Thabit Al-Ansari. (That Verse was):
'Among the Believers are men who have been true in their covenant with Allah.' (33.23)


4. Is the finding od the lost verse in Surat Ahzab during the time of Abubakar or the time of Uthman?

Jami` at-Tirmidhi 3104
Narrated Az-Zuhri:
from Anas who said: "Hudhaifah bin Al-Yaman came to 'Uthman, at the time when the people of Ash-Sham and the people of Al-'Iraq were waging war to conquer Arminiyah and Adharbijan. Hudhaifah saw their (the people of Ash-Sham and Al-'Iraq) different forms of recitation of the Qur'an. So he said to 'Uthman: 'O Commander of the Believers! Save this nation before they differ about the Book as the Jews and the Christians did before them.' So he ('Uthman) sent a message to Hafsah (saying): 'Send us the manuscripts so that we may copy them in the Musahif (plural of Mushaf: a written copy of the Qur'an) then we shall return it to you.' So Hafsah sent the manuscripts to 'Uthman bin 'Affan. 'Uthman then sent order for Zaid bin Thabit, Sa'eed bin Al-'As, 'Abdur-Rahman bin Al-Harith bin Hisham, and 'Abdullah bin Az-Zubair to copy the manuscripts in the Musahif. 'Uthman said to the three Quraish men: 'In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the (recitation dialect of the) Qur'an, then write it in the dialect of Quraish for it was in their tongue.' So when they had copied the manuscripts, 'Uthman sent one Mushaf from those Musahif that they had copied to every province." Az-Zuhri said: "Kharijah bin Zaid [bin Thabit] narrated to me that Zaid bin Thabit said: 'I missed an Ayah of Surat Al-Ahzab that I heard the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) reciting: Among the believers are men who have been true to their covenant with Allah, of them some have fulfilled their obligations, and some of them are still waiting (33:23) - so I searched for it and found it with Khuzaimah bin Thabit, or Abu Khuzaimah, so I put it in its Surah.'" Az-Zuhri said: "They differed then with At-Tabut and At-Tabuh. The Quraish said: At-Tabut while Zaid said: At-Tabuh. Their disagreement was brought to 'Uthman, so he said: 'Write it as At-Tabut, for it was revealed in the tongue of the Quraish.'" Az-Zuhri said: "'Ubaidullah bin 'Abdullah bin 'Utbah informed me that 'Abdullah bin Mas'ud disliked Zaid bin Thabit copying the Musahif, and he said: 'O you Muslim people! I am removed from recording the transcription of the Mushaf and it is overseen by a man, by Allah, when I accepted Islam he was but in the loins of a disbelieving man' - meaning Zaid bin Thabit - and it was regarding this that 'Abdullah bin Mas'ud said: 'O people of Al-'Iraq! Keep the Musahif that are with you, and conceal them. For indeed Allah said: And whoever conceals something, he shall come with what he concealed on the Day of Judgement (3:161). So meet Allah with the Musahif.'" Az-Zuhri said: "It was conveyed to me that some men amongst the most virtuous of the Companions of the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) disliked that view of Ibn Mas'ud."



Are you now convinced that Zaid reported two different episodes of missen verses
1. One with Abubakar Quran 9:128-129
2. One with Uthman Quran 33:23

AbuTwins:
There are too many holes in his post!
Make una all feel high for some time.

I never get your time!

You may wish to tell us what the holes are: dont you think so?

FxMasterz:
Gbam!

This nails it

Lukuluku69, Antichristian and Abutwins would say this hadith was fabricated. They should please consider the eternal destination of their souls. Forget loyalty to any religion and seek to know the true God. That's the right attitude for salvation.

I advice Muslims to read the Bible for themselves devoid of any bias and also pray with all sincerity "Jesus, I do not believe you are God because the Quran says you're not God. And I do not understand your Godship because I believe you're just a servant like any other prophet. But, I want to seek the truth of who you are. Please if truly you are the Savior, reveal yourself to me as I go through this Bible."

I can assure my Muslim friends that if they pray that prayer above in all sincerity, they'll have Devine encounters with the Almighty God.

Another eye opening thread was opened by Advocatejare, Lukuluku69 was busy cursing instead of him to reexamine what he just read. The images of Baal's striking symbolism with Allah should be some foods for thought. But I'm surprised, the Muslim guy was cursing the person who was telling him the truth.

They are so prone to lying that it is impossible for them to do Islam properly without incorporating lies.

Unfortunately for them, it is easy to deflate a lie with appropriate questions.

This I have done: now they are afraid.

I asked them just three questions

Questions:
1. What was wrong with the Quran of Quran of Abu Bakr given to Hafsa to warrant editing by Zaid Zaid bin Thabit the second time?
2. There were four reciters of the Quran attested by Mohammed himself, why were none of them consulted in writing the Quran of Abu Bakr and later Uthman but instead Zaid Zaid bin Thabit was commissioned for the job?
3. Do you now agree that the first and second edition of the Arabic Quran were different?

AbuTwins:
It is foolishness making this claim as you don't even know the reference you are quoting from.
There's absolutely nothing i can say to an already prejudiced mind!

Can you explain the reference he quoted from? Is it an Hadith? Or Qur'an verse? Or from a Scholar of Islam?

The issue i always have with you is the claim that you have the infallible Holy Spirit in you. Yet you keep making blunders toddlers shouldn't make!

I gave you enough Evidences from your hadiths except your claim is that the Hadiths are Maudu (fabricated) or Daif (weak)


Again:

What was wrong with the Quran of Quran of Abu Bakr given to Hafsa to warrant editing by Zaid Zaid bin Thabit the second time?
Let it be known that four men from the Ansars memorised (collected) the complete Quran during the lifetime of Mohammed and taught others
Sahih al-Bukhari 3758
Narrated Masruq:
`Abdullah (bin Mas`ud) was mentioned before `Abdullah bin `Amr. The latter said, "That is a man I continue to love because I heard Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) saying, ' Learn the recitation of the Qur'an from (any of these) four persons: `Abdullah bin Masud, Salim the freed slave of Abu Hudhaifa, Ubai bin Ka`b, and Mu`adh bin Jabal." I do not remember whether he mentioned Ubai first or Mu`adh.


The Quran of Abubakar and Hafsa
1. The fear of permanently losing verses due to muslims fighting wars is said to have motivated the initial collection of the Qur'an under Caliph Abu Bakr.
Sahih al-Bukhari 4986
Narrated Zaid bin Thabit:
Abu Bakr As-Siddiq sent for me when the people of Yamama had been killed (i.e., a number of the Prophet's Companions who fought against Musailima). (I went to him) and found `Umar bin Al- Khattab sitting with him. Abu Bakr then said (to me), "`Umar has come to me and said: "Casualties were heavy among the Qurra' of the Qur'an (i.e. those who knew the Qur'an by heart) on the day of the Battle of Yamama, and I am afraid that more heavy casualties may take place among the Qurra' on other battlefields, whereby a large part of the Qur'an may be lost. Therefore I suggest, you (Abu Bakr) order that the Qur'an be collected." I said to `Umar, "How can you do something which Allah's Apostle did not do?" `Umar said, "By Allah, that is a good project." `Umar kept on urging me to accept his proposal till Allah opened my chest for it and I began to realize the good in the idea which `Umar had realized." Then Abu Bakr said (to me). 'You are a wise young man and we do not have any suspicion about you, and you used to write the Divine Inspiration for Allah's Messenger (ﷺ). So you should search for (the fragmentary scripts of) the Qur'an and collect it in one book." By Allah If they had ordered me to shift one of the mountains, it would not have been heavier for me than this ordering me to collect the Qur'an. Then I said to Abu Bakr, "How will you do something which Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) did not do?" Abu Bakr replied, "By Allah, it is a good project." Abu Bakr kept on urging me to accept his idea until Allah opened my chest for what He had opened the chests of Abu Bakr and `Umar. So I started looking for the Qur'an and collecting it from (what was written on) palme stalks, thin white stones and also from the men who knew it by heart, till I found the last Verse of Surat at-Tauba (Repentance) with Abi Khuzaima Al-Ansari, and I did not find it with anybody other than him. The Verse is: 'Verily there has come unto you an Apostle (Muhammad) from amongst yourselves. It grieves him that you should receive any injury or difficulty..(till the end of Surat-Baraa' (at-Tauba) (9.128-129). Then the complete manuscripts (copy) of the Qur'an remained with Abu Bakr till he died, then with `Umar till the end of his life, and then with Hafsa, the daughter of `Umar.

2. Then the complete manuscripts (copy) of the Qur'an remained with Abu Bakr till he died, then with `Umar till the end of his life, and then with Hafsa, the daughter of `Umar.

3. The third caliph Uthman was concerned because there were clear differences in the recitation of the Qur'an among the people. The differences were so great Uthman and his companions feared future dispute about the true Qur'an and its contents. So Uthman asked Hafsa for her copy so that a committee could write a single version of the Quran

Hafsas Quran was either not complete or it was edited and not just copied as can be observed in the hadith of Bukhari below

Sahih Bukhari Hadith 4987
Narrated Anas bin Malik:
Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman came to `Uthman at the time when the people of Sham and the people of Iraq were Waging war to conquer Arminya and Adharbijan. Hudhaifa was afraid of their (the people of Sham and Iraq) differences in the recitation of the Qur'an, so he said to `Uthman, "O chief of the Believers! Save this nation before they differ about the Book (Qur'an) as Jews and the Christians did before." So `Uthman sent a message to Hafsa saying, "Send us the manuscripts of the Qur'an so that we may compile the Qur'anic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you." Hafsa sent it to `Uthman. `Uthman then ordered Zaid bin Thabit, `Abdullah bin AzZubair, Sa`id bin Al-As and `AbdurRahman bin Harith bin Hisham to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies. `Uthman said to the three Quraishi men, "In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the Qur'an, then write it in the dialect of Quraish, the Qur'an was revealed in their tongue." They did so, and when they had written many copies, `Uthman returned the original manuscripts to Hafsa. `Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur'anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt.

Sahih al-Bukhari 4988
Zaid bin Thabit added, "A verse from Surat Ahzab was missed by me when we copied the Qur'an and I used to hear Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) reciting it. So we searched for it and found it with Khuza`ima bin Thabit Al-Ansari. (That Verse was):
'Among the Believers are men who have been true in their covenant with Allah.' (33.23)

Questions:
1. What was wrong with the Quran of Quran of Abu Bakr given to Hafsa to warrant editing by Zaid Zaid bin Thabit the second time?
2. There were four reciters of the Quran attested by Mohammed himself, why were none of them consulted in writing the Quran of Abu Bakr and later Uthman but instead Zaid Zaid bin Thabit was commissioned for the job?
3. Do you now agree that the first and second edition of the Arabic Quran were different?


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FxMasterz:
Hahaha, I see scam written all over the place.

1. Allah says he makes sure the crammers of the Quran don't forget what they crammed but he does substitute something better for them. That's to say, some old bad verses can be substituted for some new better verses. It seems Allah grows in wisdom to later realize that a verse is bad, then he causes the crammer.to forget the bad verses in preference for some newer better verses. Scam!!!

Even Mohammed himself forgot the Quran.
Why wouldn't he tell Muslims to take the Quran from him rather than his four anointed memorisers.
What would Islam be without lies?

How can Allah cause the Quran to be forgotten and then he brings BETTER or SIMILAR Quran.

Meaning that the Quran is NOT near resembling perfection.

FxMasterz:
2. All these 'I have forgotten it's that are being said repeatedly shows that many parts of the Quran had been forgotten, and the Quran itself is not a complete book. The claim of perfect preservation is therefore false. They even left out some of the verses of their best crammer deliberately. This is deceit at best. It is a big scam!!

Suyuti: Itqan, part 3, page 72
’Ibn Umar al–Khattab explicitly admits,
"Let no one of you say that he has acquired the entire Qur’an for how does he know that it is all? Much of the Qur’an has been lost, thus let him say, ‘I have acquired of it what is available"’.

FxMasterz:
There's no guarantee that there are no other several missing verses.

How did Zaid realize that a verse was missing? Did he know the whole verses of the Quran to be able to detect missing, non missing and imported verses?

This is what they said in the compilation of the Quran

Sahih al-Bukhari 5005
Narrated Ibn `Abbas:
`Umar said, Ubai was the best of us in the recitation (of the Qur'an) yet we leave some of what he recites.' Ubai says, 'PI have taken it from the mouth of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) and will not leave for anything whatever." But Allah said "None of Our Revelations do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten but We substitute something better or similar." 2.106


Imagine the audacity to leave out SOME of what Ubai (the best of them in recitation) recites.

This had been happening since the time of Mohammed!

Till today it seems many verses of the Quran is lost or deliberately deleted

Sahih Muslim 1050
Abu Harb b. Abu al-Aswad reported on the authority of his father that Abu Musa al-Ash'ari sent for the reciters of Basra. They came to him and they were three hundred in number. They recited the Qur'an and he said:
You are the best among the inhabitants of Basra, for you are the reciters among them. So continue to recite it. (But bear in mind) that your reciting for a long time may not harden your hearts as were hardened the hearts of those before you. We used to recite a surah which resembled in length and severity to (Surah) Bara'at. I have, however, forgotten it with the exception of this which I remember out of it:" If there were two valleys full of riches, for the son of Adam, he would long for a third valley, and nothing would fill the stomach of the son of Adam but dust." And we used so recite a surah which resembled one of the surahs of Musabbihat, and I have forgotten it, but remember (this much) out of it:" Oh people who believe, why do you say that which you do not practise" (lxi 2.) and" that is recorded in your necks as a witness (against you) and you would be asked about it on the Day of Resurrection" (xvii. 13).


The verse:
"If there were two valleys full of riches, for the son of Adam, he would long for a third valley, and nothing would fill the stomach of the son of Adam but dust."
is no more in the current Quran

FxMasterz:
All manner of lies were told to hold these people in captivity.

Hehehe, the Quran was perfectly preserved indeed. Deceivers.

If the Quran of Abubakr was correct after its compilation, why was Zaid bin Thabit the second time looking for another missen verse.
Till today, we are still looking for the verses of breastfeeding adults ten times as it was part of the editing.


The first Time , Zaid said:
So I started looking for the Qur'an and collecting it from (what was written on) palme stalks, thin white stones and also from the men who knew it by heart, till I found the last Verse of Surat at-Tauba (Repentance) with Abi Khuzaima Al-Ansari, and I did not find it with anybody other than him.

The Second Time, Zaid said:
Zaid bin Thabit added, "A verse from Surat Ahzab was missed by me when we copied the Qur'an and I used to hear Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) reciting it. So we searched for it and found it with Khuza`ima bin Thabit Al-Ansari.


The so called perfect preservation of the Quran: that was perfectly memorised by Muslims.

Of course
A difficult question to answer because lies had preceded Muslims about the perfect preservation of the Quran and now, answering the questions will betray that fact.


Can Muslims do without fabricating their Deen?

What was wrong with the Quran of Quran of Abu Bakr given to Hafsa to warrant editing by Zaid Zaid bin Thabit the second time?
Let it be known that four men from the Ansars memorised (collected) the complete Quran during the lifetime of Mohammed and taught others
Sahih al-Bukhari 3758
Narrated Masruq:
`Abdullah (bin Mas`ud) was mentioned before `Abdullah bin `Amr. The latter said, "That is a man I continue to love because I heard Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) saying, ' Learn the recitation of the Qur'an from (any of these) four persons: `Abdullah bin Masud, Salim the freed slave of Abu Hudhaifa, Ubai bin Ka`b, and Mu`adh bin Jabal." I do not remember whether he mentioned Ubai first or Mu`adh.


The Quran of Abubakar and Hafsa
1. The fear of permanently losing verses due to muslims fighting wars is said to have motivated the initial collection of the Qur'an under Caliph Abu Bakr.
Sahih al-Bukhari 4986
Narrated Zaid bin Thabit:
Abu Bakr As-Siddiq sent for me when the people of Yamama had been killed (i.e., a number of the Prophet's Companions who fought against Musailima). (I went to him) and found `Umar bin Al- Khattab sitting with him. Abu Bakr then said (to me), "`Umar has come to me and said: "Casualties were heavy among the Qurra' of the Qur'an (i.e. those who knew the Qur'an by heart) on the day of the Battle of Yamama, and I am afraid that more heavy casualties may take place among the Qurra' on other battlefields, whereby a large part of the Qur'an may be lost. Therefore I suggest, you (Abu Bakr) order that the Qur'an be collected." I said to `Umar, "How can you do something which Allah's Apostle did not do?" `Umar said, "By Allah, that is a good project." `Umar kept on urging me to accept his proposal till Allah opened my chest for it and I began to realize the good in the idea which `Umar had realized." Then Abu Bakr said (to me). 'You are a wise young man and we do not have any suspicion about you, and you used to write the Divine Inspiration for Allah's Messenger (ﷺ). So you should search for (the fragmentary scripts of) the Qur'an and collect it in one book." By Allah If they had ordered me to shift one of the mountains, it would not have been heavier for me than this ordering me to collect the Qur'an. Then I said to Abu Bakr, "How will you do something which Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) did not do?" Abu Bakr replied, "By Allah, it is a good project." Abu Bakr kept on urging me to accept his idea until Allah opened my chest for what He had opened the chests of Abu Bakr and `Umar. So I started looking for the Qur'an and collecting it from (what was written on) palme stalks, thin white stones and also from the men who knew it by heart, till I found the last Verse of Surat at-Tauba (Repentance) with Abi Khuzaima Al-Ansari, and I did not find it with anybody other than him. The Verse is: 'Verily there has come unto you an Apostle (Muhammad) from amongst yourselves. It grieves him that you should receive any injury or difficulty..(till the end of Surat-Baraa' (at-Tauba) (9.128-129). Then the complete manuscripts (copy) of the Qur'an remained with Abu Bakr till he died, then with `Umar till the end of his life, and then with Hafsa, the daughter of `Umar.

2. Then the complete manuscripts (copy) of the Qur'an remained with Abu Bakr till he died, then with `Umar till the end of his life, and then with Hafsa, the daughter of `Umar.

3. The third caliph Uthman was concerned because there were clear differences in the recitation of the Qur'an among the people. The differences were so great Uthman and his companions feared future dispute about the true Qur'an and its contents. So Uthman asked Hafsa for her copy so that a committee could write a single version of the Quran

Hafsas Quran was either not complete or it was edited and not just copied as can be observed in the hadith of Bukhari below

Sahih Bukhari Hadith 4987
Narrated Anas bin Malik:
Hudhaifa bin Al-Yaman came to `Uthman at the time when the people of Sham and the people of Iraq were Waging war to conquer Arminya and Adharbijan. Hudhaifa was afraid of their (the people of Sham and Iraq) differences in the recitation of the Qur'an, so he said to `Uthman, "O chief of the Believers! Save this nation before they differ about the Book (Qur'an) as Jews and the Christians did before." So `Uthman sent a message to Hafsa saying, "Send us the manuscripts of the Qur'an so that we may compile the Qur'anic materials in perfect copies and return the manuscripts to you." Hafsa sent it to `Uthman. `Uthman then ordered Zaid bin Thabit, `Abdullah bin AzZubair, Sa`id bin Al-As and `AbdurRahman bin Harith bin Hisham to rewrite the manuscripts in perfect copies. `Uthman said to the three Quraishi men, "In case you disagree with Zaid bin Thabit on any point in the Qur'an, then write it in the dialect of Quraish, the Qur'an was revealed in their tongue." They did so, and when they had written many copies, `Uthman returned the original manuscripts to Hafsa. `Uthman sent to every Muslim province one copy of what they had copied, and ordered that all the other Qur'anic materials, whether written in fragmentary manuscripts or whole copies, be burnt.

Sahih al-Bukhari 4988
Zaid bin Thabit added, "A verse from Surat Ahzab was missed by me when we copied the Qur'an and I used to hear Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) reciting it. So we searched for it and found it with Khuza`ima bin Thabit Al-Ansari. (That Verse was):
'Among the Believers are men who have been true in their covenant with Allah.' (33.23)

Questions:
1. What was wrong with the Quran of Quran of Abu Bakr given to Hafsa to warrant editing by Zaid Zaid bin Thabit the second time?
2. There were four reciters of the Quran attested by Mohammed himself, why were none of them consulted in writing the Quran of Abu Bakr and later Uthman but instead Zaid Zaid bin Thabit was commissioned for the job?
3. Do you now agree that the first and second edition of the Arabic Quran were different?


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gaskiyamagana:
Knowledgeable in other religions with roboticalized reasoning, abi? Why and why for truth sake that he failed and dodged response to missing verses of old Bible in modern bible, that l listed for him?
For your information,he is a monthly paid Nuisance of Islam on religion section of Nairaland. I am convinced that only those who don't know him are wasting their time,reasoning and argument with him - someone who will not reason, not even agree with you simply because he was anti Islam ROBOTICAL PROGRAMED whom without , format, deactivate, reprogram with inputs of genuine Islam information , will never change.

1. Is it true or untrue that Jibril was the one who ordered Mohammed to besiege Banu Qurayza?

Lukuluku69:
The confused one, you can help me set up defense and still turn around and aid my enemies.

Are you that slow to understand Tactics in war situations?

You can share intelligence and thats what they did.

You can go on and type your usual tripe, it doesn't matter and talking about genocide, have you forgotten Genocidal Jehovah commands to Moses?

I asked you three questions and as usual, you are being emotional rather than answering the simple questions that betray your claims
1. Is it true or untrue that Jibril was the one who ordered Mohammed to besiege Banu Qurayza?
2. You claimed that
"Once the battle started, Huyayy ibn Akhtab persuaded the Banu Qurayza to go against their covenant with Muhammad and turn against him during the battle"
How did this happen because the men of banu Qurayza went home to their farms after digging the trenches, so with suitable evidence how did they turn against Mohammed DURING the battle?
3. You claimed that
"After the defeat of the confederates in the battle, and Qurayza's subsequent surrendered"
Did the Banu Qurayza surrender because Mohammed won the Battle of the Trench or because they were surrounded by Muslim warriors who besieged their town for 25 days?


What is so difficult with these questions?

Lukuluku69:
The "Mass" murder of Jews was the Kyber incident.

Research it on Wiki.

700 Fighting Men were executed and their Properties shared alongside women.

Research the incident.

Then come back and we talk about it.

So, its not about banu Qurayza again!?

Yes, Kyber was part of it, but the main one where over 700 males were slaughtered was against Bany Qurayza.

Learn your genocidal history well

Lukuluku69:
After they were sent into exile in 625 from Medina by Muslim forces, the Banu Nadir had settled in Khaybar. In 627, the Nadir chief Huyayy ibn Akhtab together with his son joined the Meccans and Bedouins besieging Medina during the Battle of the Trench.[25] In addition, the Nadir paid Arabian tribes to go to war against the Muslims. Bribing Banu Ghatafan with half of their harvest, Banu Nadir secured 2,000 men and 300 horsemen from the tribe to attack Muhammad,[26][27] and similarly persuaded the Bani Asad.[28] They attempted to get the Banu Sulaym to attack the Muslims, but the tribe gave them only 700 men, since some of its leaders were sympathetic towards Islam. The Bani Amir refused to join them all together, as they had a pact with Muhammad.[29]
Once the battle started, Huyayy ibn Akhtab persuaded the Banu Qurayza to go against their covenant with Muhammad and turn against him during the battle. [30] After the defeat of the confederates in the battle, and Qurayza's subsequent surrender, Huyayy (who was at that time in the Qurayza strongholds of Medina) was killed alongside the men of the Qurayza. After Huyayy's death, Abu al-Rafi ibn Abi al-Huqayq took charge of the Banu Nadir at Khaybar. Al-Huqayq soon approached neighboring tribes to raise an army against Muhammad.[31][32] After learning this, the Muslims, aided by an Arab with a Jewish dialect, assassinated him.[33]

Al-Huqayq was succeeded by Usayr ibn Zarim. It has been recorded by one source[34] that Usayr also approached the Ghatafan and rumors spread that he intended to attack the "capital of Muhammad". The latter sent Abdullah bin Rawaha with a number of his companions, among whom was Abdullah bin Unays, an ally of Banu Salima, a clan hostile to the Jews. When they came to Usayr, they told him that if he would come to Muhammad, Muhammad would give him an appointment and honour him. They kept on at him until he went with them with a number of Jews. Abdullah bin Unays mounted him on his beast until he was in al-Qarqara, about six miles from Khaybar. Usayr suddenly changed his mind about going with them. Abdullah perceived Usayr's bad intention as the latter was preparing to draw his sword. So Abdullah rushed at him and struck him with his sword cutting off his leg. Usayr hit Abdullah with a stick of shauhat wood which he had in his hand and wounded his head. All Muhammad's emissaries fell upon the thirty Jewish companions and killed them except one man who escaped on his feet.[35] Abdullah bin Unays is the assassin who volunteered and got permission to kill Banu Nadir's Sallam ibn Abu al-Huqayq at a previous night mission in Khaybar.

Many scholars have considered the above machinations of the Nadir as a reason for the battle. According to Montgomery Watt, their intriguing and use of their wealth to incite tribes against Muhammad left him no choice but to attack.[36] Vaglieri concurs that one reason for attack was that the Jews of Khaybar were responsible for the Confederates that attacked Muslims during the Battle of the Trench.[16] Shibli Numani also sees Khaybar's actions during the Battle of the Trench, and draws particular attention to Banu Nadir's leader Huyayy ibn Akhtab, who had gone to the Banu Qurayza during the battle to instigate them to attack Muhammad.[31]

Muslims can lie for satan himself
Once the battle started, Huyayy ibn Akhtab persuaded the Banu Qurayza to go against their covenant with Muhammad and turn against him during the battle.
It is well known that the Banu Qurayza helped Mohammed to dig the Trenches during the Battle of the Trench BUT did NOT participate in the Fight (they went to their homes).

1. Except the above is untrue, with evidence, how did Banu Qurayza turn against Mohammed during the battle?




After the defeat of the confederates in the battle, and Qurayza's subsequent surrender,
2. Did the Banu Qurayza surrender because Mohammed won the Battle of the Trench or because they were surrounded by Muslim warriors who besieged their town for 25 days?



3. Is it untrue that the reason for Mohammed besieging Banu Qurayza was no other than Mohammed claiming that Gabriel told him to fight them?

Sahih al-Bukhari 281
Narrated `Aisha:
When Allah's Messenger returned on the day (of the battle) of Al-Khandaq (i.e. Trench), he put down his arms and took a bath. Then Gabriel whose head was covered with dust, came to him saying, "You have put down your arms! By Allah, I have not put down my arms yet." Allah's Messenger said, "Where (to go now)?" Gabriel said, "This way," pointing towards the tribe of Bani Quraiza. So Allah's Messenger went out towards them .

Did Gabriel give any excuse to Mohammed for this genocide?


Just three questions my friend!
You ran away from the previous ones: I assume you dislike christians who know Islam!