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honesttalk21:
Perhaps when you can show evidence that he was loaned to the prophet pbuh.

You misunderstand the act of buying him which really isn't a case of buying a slave but a means to manumitting him.

Sunan Ibn Majah 2522
It was narrated that Shurahbil bin Simt said:
I said to Ka'b bin Murrah, tell us a Hadith from the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ), but be careful. He said: I heard the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) say: “Whoever frees a Muslim man, he will be his ransom from the Fire; each of his bones will suffice (as a ransom) for each of his bones. Whoever frees two Muslim women, they will be his ransom from the Fire; each of their two bones will suffice (as a ransom) for each of his bones.”

Ibn Umar reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Whoever strikes his slave-boy sharply without right, or punches him, the expiation for the sin is to emancipate him.”

Source: Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 1657

Sahih al-Bukhari 2517
Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Whoever frees a Muslim slave, Allah will save all the parts of his body from the (Hell) Fire as he has freed the body-parts of the slave." Sa`id bin Marjana said that he narrated that Hadith to `Ali bin Al-Husain and he freed his slave for whom `Abdullah bin Ja`far had offered him ten thousand Dirhams or one-thousand Dinars.

Just to prove you wrong with the hadiths you posted.

Did Mohammed himself have slaves?
Were the slaves Muslims or do you know a single slave in Mohammed's household that is mushrik?


Secondly , have you read this hadith before

Mishkat al-Masabih 3350
Jarir reported God’s Messenger as saying, “When a slave runs away his prayer is not accepted.” In a version on his authority he said, “If any slave runs away protection does not apply to him.” In another version on his authority he said, “If any slave runs away from his masters he has become an infidel till he returns to them.”

Sahih Muslim 1666 a
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger as saying:
When a slave fulfils obligation of Allah and obligation of his master, he has two rewards for him. I narrated this to Ka'b, and Ka'b said: (Such a slave) has no accountability, nor has a poor believer.


Is this not enough evidence that you have Muslim slaves?

honesttalk21:
You really think what you wrote?

The timeline of events surrounding Bilal’s torture, Abu Bakr’s intervention, and eventual emancipation is a significant part of early Islamic history. Bilal ibn Rabah was an Ethiopian slave who later became one of the most prominent companions of the Prophet Muhammad.

Rabah was born on March 5, 580, in Mecca to slave parents, Hamamah, who was once a princess of Abyssinia (Ethiopia) but was subsequently captured and enslaved, and Rabah, an Arab slave from the Banu Humah Clan in Mecca, Arabia (now Saudi Arabia).

Rabah converted to Islam sometime around 615 after he heard the message of the Prophet Muhammad and five years after the Prophet began to gather followers.

Muslims faced ridicule and harassment from non-Muslims once their decision to embrace Islam became known. Rabah’s owner Khalf, who was anti-Islam, discovered Rabah’s conversion and immediately subjected him to torture as punishment for converting to Islam.

Abu Bakr came to an open field where after witnessing Rabah’s torture, decided to negotiate with Khalf for his freedom. Abu Bakr bought Bilal then hom he cared for him and nursed him back to health.

In 622, the Prophet Muhammad, Rabah, and rest of the small Muslim community migrated from Mecca to the city of Medina, Arabia. There Muhammad would establish the Islamic religion in that city. The Prophet appointed Rabah minister of the Bayt al-Mal (Treasury). In that position, Rabah distributed funds to people in need, including widows and orphans. Muhammad also appointed Rabah as the first mu’azzin or prayer caller.

Rabah fought in the Battle of Badr in 624, during which he killed his former master, Khalaf. Rabah also participated in the Battle of Uhud in 625 and the Battle of the Trench in 627, all of which helped rapidly spread the Islamic faith across the Arabian Peninsula.c

You keep repeating yourself as if I have denied the basic history we know of Bilal. I agree with you on the history you presented except that Bilad was brought by Abubakr and loaned to Mohammed because if his loud strong voice. He did call to prayer for Mohammed all through his life time till he died.

My arguments are:
1. You will note that All you know about Bilal apart from when he was bought by Abubakr has ZERO time line with respect to the two hadiths in question

Unfortunately, without a credible time line, the best you can do is to speculate.

2. Now, none of your speculation explain logically the words of Bilal
Sahih al-Bukhari 3755
Narrated Qais:
Bilal said to Abu Bakr, " If you have bought me for yourself then keep me (for yourself), but if you have bought me for Allah's Sake , then leave me for Allah's Work."

nor

Sahih al-Bukhari 3754
Narrated Jabir bin `Abdullah:
`Umar used to say, "Abu Bakr is our chief, and he manumitted our chief," meaning Bilal.


3. Repeating your preferred Narrative changes nothing as it doesn't convert it to the truth!


Conclusion :
So, unless the two hadiths above can be backed up with reference to WHEN and HOW or WHY it happened, you have no case sir.

Otherwise, They showed that even though Bilal was important, he remained a slave until Mohammed died and thus the reason for his request for total freedom if Indeed Abubakr bought him for the sake of Allah!

Botragelad:
Source:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/top-un-court-rejects-south-african-request-for-urgent-measures-to-safeguard-rafah/amp/

A king that did not know Joseph on the Throne!

Don't forget that a few decades ago, both Israel and Apartheid South African government jointly developed their atomic bomb and nuclear energy.

Of course, the nuclear capability and knowledge is dismantled and with the white South Africans while the blacks who by population alone got power are barking like dogs everywhere!

honesttalk21:
How myopic and unsound your postulates, arguments and conclusion. Are you not aware that Umayyah on an occasion called Bilal and ordered him to whip another slave as the slave says there is only one God and that every person is important. Umayyah was sure a good whipping will surely teach him a lesson.

The sight of the whip did not frighten the slave. The man's courage brought Bilal to believe in the oneness of God. Bilal refused to whip the man.

Umayyah got angry as Bilal had not only disobeyed him, but other slaves could also revolt if they saw and heard of this.

Bilal had heard the message of Muhammad, that God is One, the Almighty, All Merciful but he also heard the words of his owner. Umayya ibn Khalaf, a wealthy Meccan, who was worried that his livelihood based around idol worship would be disrupted by Muhammad’s message. He spoke to others also concerned about the changes to the political and religious landscape of Mecca saying, "Muhammad was never a liar, magician, or mad, but we have to describe him this way until we turn away from him those who rush to his religion.To quite some extent this practice is still common with the likes of truth twister Tenq.

For daring to disobey and embracing another faith, Bilal had to be taught a lesson which commenced in a most dehumanizing brutal way. News of this got to Muhammad pbuh who then sent Abu Bakr, his close friend and a wealthy trader, to investigate Bilal's plight.
came upon the open field where Bilal was being tortured for amusement. Abu Bakr did not lose his temper, for that was not his way, but he remonstrated with the torturers. He said to Umayya, "Have you no fear of God that you treat this poor man like this?" He replied saying: "You are the one who corrupted him, so you save him from his plight!" Abu Bakr replied: "Then sell him to me, name your price." Umayya, was a businessman and could not give up making a profit, so he sold Bilal for a good price. To humiliate Bilal, he added: "I would have sold him to you even if you had offered me only an ounce of gold." Abu Bakr answered: "I would have bought him even if you had asked for one hundred ounces." You know all these.

Do you forget Abu Bakr was first buying Bilal and the bequest of prophet Muhammad to save him from agony? Why will he buy him to re-enslave him?

The clan of Umayyah ibn Khalaf challenged Muhammad because of their allegiance to the religion of their ancestors.

Their fear over the loss of the glory of the Quraish. This religious status was bestowed upon them because they were a center of idol worship and the caretakers of the pilgrimage in the whole of the Arabian Peninsula; and their envy of the tribe of Bani Hashim; that anyone from among them would claim to be a prophet or messenger.

In the hadith of Riyadh Saliheen you made mention of a saying regarding Abu Bakr and a slave; was this before or after Bilal's manumision from Umayyah and subsequently Abu Bakr who disguised to be buying a slave? In any case we have establish that this was before the migration.

Bilal migrated and returned as a free man when he gave the first call to prayer. Some have pointed specifically to 622 and 624 CE as the time when Bilal was freed. More So in 624 during the battle of Badr Umayyah died.

After buying Bilal of Umayyah he (Bilal) was cared for and nursed back to health. Upon his recovery he was taken to Prophet Muhammad and he[b] stood by his side giving support and calling others to Islam[/b]. Is the ending statement not Jihad?

Abu Bakr manumitted Bilal before the Hijrah to Medina. Bilal was an Ethiopian slave who was freed by Abu Bakr due to his dedication to Islam and his suffering for the sake of his belief in the religion of Islam.

I am not denying that Bilal was punished by his former master and neither am I saying that he didn't stand his ground.

You will note that All you know about Bilal apart from when he was bought by Abubakr has ZERO time line

Unfortunately, without a credible time line, the best you can do is to speculate.

Now, none of your speculation explain logically the words of Bilal
Sahih al-Bukhari 3755
Narrated Qais:
Bilal said to Abu Bakr, " If you have bought me for yourself then keep me (for yourself), but if you have bought me for Allah's Sake , then leave me for Allah's Work."

nor

Sahih al-Bukhari 3754
Narrated Jabir bin `Abdullah:
`Umar used to say, "Abu Bakr is our chief, and he manumitted our chief," meaning Bilal.


Repeating your preferred Narrative changes nothing as it doesn't convert it to the truth!

Expanse2020:
The bible said not me
Anybody born from the womb of a woman he is a sinner ,.,did Jesus fall from sky

Let's assume that the Bible is wrong and Allah and his prophet are correct,

According to Allah and Mohammed , is Jesus a sinner?

QED!

Expanse2020:
Did all I wrote about your Jesus did I lied
That he cursed a boy and his family
He cursed his teacher
He blind someone too
Is it a lie
Is your Jesus a saint

Can you give me evidence for these?
Apparently, I haven't read my bible to this facts you are stating.

I guess your prophet made a mistake with the hadith below

Sahih al-Bukhari 3286
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "When any human being is born. Satan touches him at both sides of the body with his two fingers, except Jesus, the son of Mary, whom Satan tried to touch but failed, for he touched the placenta-cover instead."

Expanse2020:
So bible said whoever born from a women is a sinner
Is your JESUS a Saint no because he was born from a woman 🫣🫣🫣🫣🤣🤣😂😂🤣🤣
Only a person is a saint in the bible who was that did you know him 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Did Jesus have a human father?
If he did, then you are correct that he is a sinner.

According to Islamic doctrines, did Jesus not exist in heaven before he was born?
Qur'an 4:171
O People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion nor utter aught concerning Allah save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of Allah, and His word which He conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers, and say not "Three" - Cease! (it is) better for you! - Allah is only One Allah. Far is it removed from His Transcendent Majesty that He should have a son. His is all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is sufficient as Defender.

How can he then be a sinner like Mohammed?

Of course except you know better than Allah! Tell me how a spirit from Allah can be a sinner?

Expanse2020:
Allah didn't lied your Paul, mark, Luke lied and the Roman invention lied and fabricate lie to you 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Our dear prophet ISSA PBUH didn't die, was not nail...use the merging difference there
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
And you are Christianity because Jesus didn't named you Christian the Paul and Roman gave you the name🤣🤣🤣🫣🫣 if I lied you showed me where in the bible Jesus called you Christains

Why do your Muslim scholars translate Nasara as Christian?

Why did Allah say Christians and Jews will enter Paradise?

Why did Allah attest to our scripture (both the Jews and Christians)


It seems you are better in knowledge than Allah and his Mohammed!

David0002:
Israeli genocide against the Palestinians continues unabated.

Sponsored wholly by Hamas!

Fineman2:
Another senseless killing of innocent Palestinians by Israel

Sponsored by Hamas!

Expanse2020:
Jesus is not my prophet the one the Paul and Roman invented who brought fake bible of different version
But Issah (PBUH) Yehesua who bring the gospel who the righteous ones in his time follow and the Muslim follow till qiyyaoma
May Allah elevate him once more..

There is different from lie and truth
Sorry my bad

So Allah was telling lies about Jesus and we Christians in the Qur'an!?

Expanse2020:
And also all those things I posted earlier check the history and the bible I didn't lie about any of it...

I did not argue with you about Jesus being poor did I.

Is any of these wrong about Mohammed


However, the Truth is that
1. But Jesus is NOT a Murderer like Mohammed
2. Neither is He a Thief Like Mohammed
3. He did not have mental Issues like Mohammed
4. He is not an Adulterer like Mohammed
5. He casts out demons and never subject to demons or black Magic like Mohammed
5. Jesus never urinates like women like Mohammed
6. Jesus is not a pedophile having sex with 8 year old girls like Mohammed
7. Jesus never murdered anyone, he creates life and gives life unlike Mohammed

Expanse2020:
But did you Jesus cursed people, blind people and also killed people when growing up to
From a kill to adult....Abi you never hear am before
Jesus was poor that why he can't afford a wife
Jesus didn't sleep with a kid but her foster father sleep with her mother at the age of 12 to 13🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 did Joseph fit called saint like that 🫣 eeewww what is that
His forfather consumate marriage with Rebeka at 13 too and also 3years with Rachel aww that bad
Jesus is also a coward he can't defend himself
Jesus also a sinner according to the bible🤣🤣
The God die like a coward and thief on the cross,🤣🤣eeewww what is that

When God die who controls the earth
He created man but men kill him, torture him .. which kind God is weak
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Is Jesus not one of your prophets!?..

You are so dazed that you are willing to sacrifice him to make a point.

Is there anything I have said here that is untrue either about Jesus or about Mohammed.


Jesus may be poor, but it was His choice. And being poor is not a sin nor a crime.
However, the Truth is that
1. But Jesus is NOT a Murderer like Mohammed
2. Neither is He a Thief Like Mohammed
3. He did not have mental Issues like Mohammed
4. He is not an Adulterer like Mohammed
5. He casts out demons and never subject to demons or black Magic like Mohammed
5. Jesus never urinates like women like Mohammed
6. Jesus is not a pedophile having sex with 8 year old girls like Mohammed
7. Jesus never murdered anyone, he creates life and gives life unlike Mohammed

Jesus is the Way
Jesus is the Truth
Jesus is the Life
Jesus is the Alpha and the Omega
Jesus is the Word of God who became human
Jesus is from Above
Jesus is the Creator of the seen and unseen
Jesus is the Judge of all living beings including Mohammed

Expanse2020:
Your lord is poor that if he speak he speak in public the Jew will stone him and he will run away,,not only poor but coward small thing japa

Jesus may be poor, but it was His choice. And being poor is not a sin nor a crime.
However, the Truth is that
1. But Jesus is NOT a Murderer like Mohammed
2. Neither is He a Thief Like Mohammed
3. He did not have mental Issues like Mohammed
4. He is not an Adulterer like Mohammed
5. He casts out demons and never subject to demons or black Magic like Mohammed
5. Jesus never urinates like women like Mohammed
6. Jesus is not a pedophile having sex with 8 year old girls like Mohammed
7. Jesus never murdered anyone, he creates life and gives life unlike Mohammed

Jesus is the Way
Jesus is the Truth
Jesus is the Life
Jesus is the Alpha and the Omega
Jesus is the Word of God who became human
Jesus is from Above
Jesus is the Creator of the seen and unseen
Jesus is the Judge of all living beings including Mohammed

Expanse2020:
Are you afraid to hear the Truth..
Even your lord was poor like a church rat and can't afford a slave but he didn't abolished the slave...

No problem.
Jesus n very came to have any slave. He came to. give salvation to all.

Jesus was poor because he didn't rob those He came to preach to.
Unlike your prophet who made a law to collect 20% of war booties. Any woman can give herself for sex with Mohammed and even the married ones too. His greed was so. much that they said he stole an underwear!

It is not a shame to be poor. It is a shame to be rich from the tears and destruction of others.


Again :
Are you ashamed to compare Jesus with Mohammed even from the Qur'an and Hadiths alone?

honesttalk21:
How does this translate to ungratefulness is the question I ask improper? Do you rejoice at freedom through a wolf in sheep's clothing?

Is it improper for him to ascertain what the motives of his helper are or he should stupidly accept a relief that may not be one after all?
What exactly is your point? You rather change your tormentor?

You are obviously not aware that Bilal suffered terribly due to his acceptance of Islam. He was beaten mercilessly, dragged around the hills of Mecca and subjected to long periods without food or water. His owner, Umayyah ibn Khalaf, used all sorts of torture on Bilal to make him change his mind. He would bring him out at the hottest part of the day and throw him on his back in the open valley and have a great rock put on his chest; then he would say to him, ‘You will stay here till you die or deny Muhammad and worship al-Lat and al-’Uzza" (gods worshipped by the people of Mecca).

His focus was on the eternity not the immediate world.

The statement of Bilal makes proper sense only AFTER the death of Mohammed for two reasons
1. Bilal was loaned to Mohammed as he had a strong voice for call to prayers meaning that Abubakr didn't use him for much personal reasons
2. Bilal has a reason to tell Abubakr the statement :
Sahih al-Bukhari 3755
Narrated Qais:
Bilal said to Abu Bakr, " If you have bought me for yourself then keep me (for yourself), but if you have bought me for Allah's Sake , then leave me for Allah's Work."

Meaning :
If Abubakr claimed he bought Bilal for the sake of Allah, let him leave him alone.
BUT
If Abubakr bought him for himself, he should keep him for himself.


Abubakr must have been telling all who care to listen that he bought Bilal for the sake of Allah.


Unfortunately, there is no record of what happened after this statement of Bilal in ANY Islamic literatures.

honesttalk21:
The statement on the emancipation of Bilal is definitely an occurrence after the freedom of Bilal and not at the place where Umayyah ibn Khalaf tortured Bilal.

Is staying steadfast in your belief despite opposition and persecution not an act of defender in non violent war?

Was the intense persecution the followers of Prophet Muhammad faced during the early years of Islam from the ruling elite in Mecca not a case of war against them and their beliefs?

The statement of the the people who called Bilal master of a truth must have taken place several years after his emancipation from Umayyah ibn Khalaf. This is the way it makes any sense.

Expanse2020:
then tell me Jesus abolished slavery too

Tell me if any prophet abolished slavery and we can start from that point.

Are you ashamed to compare Jesus with Mohammed even from the Qur'an and Hadiths alone?

Expanse2020:
Is not Islam fault that Your Lord Jesus Christ was poor that cannot afford a simple 2squared meal a day like the Prophet and Abu Bakr

I perfectly agree with you!

For Jesus came to serve and not to be served and of course, His kingdom is not of this world

Unlike some prophets who used to collect alms from people in the name of God for their own consumption and who collect for themselves 20% of the best war booties

Expanse2020:
Abu Bakr was not like PAUL 😂😂😂😂
New Testaments, largely took for slavery for granted and recognized the legitimacy of slave . In Colossians 3:22, Paul even told slaves who had converted to “submit yourselves to your masters, not only those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh”.

So Paul should tell slaves who became Christians to kill their masters!?
Tell me, what advice do you have for Paul as he is a leather tanner thus not rich like Abubakr!

You see the fruit of Islam!?

But, it isn't about Paul neither is it about Abubakr. We should compare Jesus and Mohammed : and it is like comparing day with night!

Expanse2020:
Shot up when he bought him
He asked Abu bakr did you bought me for your own personal gain or you bought me to free me for Islam
Stop worrying yourself if you cannot comprehend simple English na your problem be that.

Your lies catching up with you.

The only time Bilal could logically have said this was after the death of Mohammed as he was loaned to him.

So that Bilal could tell Abubakr.

Sahih al-Bukhari 3755
Narrated Qais:
Bilal said to Abu Bakr, " If you have bought me for yourself then keep me (for yourself), but if you have bought me for Allah's Sake , then leave me for Allah's Work."

Does this not make sense rather than all the cock and bull stories that don't line up with reality!

Bilal is simply challenging Abubakr to set him free if Indeed he bought him for the sake of Allah.

honesttalk21:
You don't see that despite all what was metted out to Bilal as torture to denounce his faith he didn't. He was ready to die. So even if he was grateful it's good he makes sure he wasn't leaving one problem and going straight into another.

What I am saying is that it is impossible for Bilal to say this at the time he was being set free from Umayyah ibn Khalaf except he is completely ungrateful and he though he had the right to be emancipated!

What you are saying is that Bilal was not grateful for being bought and saved from this wicked master by Abubakr (the rich man) for himself but is concerned about wanting to ensure that Abu Bakr’s intention was pure and solely for the sake of Allah.
The bolded cannot be true sir not remotely at the time line.

Your argument is heavily flawed


Secondly, if
Bilal that was being tortured intensely by Umayyah ibn Khalaf and Co while he was repeatedly saying AHAD , AHAD...

It also faults the statement
“Abu Bakr is our master and he emancipated our master,” meaning Bilal."
as it couldn't have been made at this same time if it was not fabricated. Was Bilal (a slave) also having slaves or servants under him?

This doesn't make sense sir: it is completely illogical for the statements to have occurred when Abubakr bought Bilal.

honesttalk21:
I am not denying my post. Does what I say contradict it? Define or discuss Jihad if you prefer to see that my subsequent posts contradict it. Is Jihad just war?-

My aim is not to discuss Jihad! You were the one who denied my post that the Jihad of Bilal wasn't about war. You forgot that you already sent a picture post that supports me.

According to your picture post, did it say specifically that this Jihad of Bilal was about War!?

ahmedio2017:
What's the correlation here now? You are just quoting Quran without any basis, what are you trying to insinuate now? Are you not committing injustice now? Where did you guys see Trinity? Are you guys not associating other gods to Almighty God?

You asked a question on if Christians and Jews believe in Allah! And,
I am showing you what your Allah says about us Christians!

Is this statement of Allah false and Are you denying it?

I guess I need to spank you Muslims on the failure of your doctrine of Taoheed: but I don't have your time now. If you know it's limitation, you will keep quiet on Trinity.


Are you Muslims note shameless to associate the name and the knowledge of a sinning human being called Mohammed with that of Allah?

honesttalk21:
Indeed you don't even know what is Jihad. I wouldn't waste time asking you.

The literal meaning of Jihad is struggle or effort.

It refers to the spiritual struggle that Muslims undertake to improve themselves, adhere to Islamic principles, and serve the greater good of the Muslim community and society at large. It is an essential aspect of Islamic faith and practice, emphasizing personal growth, self-discipline, and devotion to Allah.

Bilal recognized that his individual freedom was secondary to the higher calling of serving Allah and supporting the defense and propagation of Islam. For Bilal, the opportunity to contribute to jihad was a higher honor and priority than any personal interests or worldly obligations.

Are you denying your post again for the excuse for why Bilal told Abubakr to set him free or release him for Allah..

Was the Jihad not qualified as War?

It's your post o not mine!

ahmedio2017:
1. Jesus affirm that there is only one God, that's what the sahada connote

Just as every Christian affirm that there is one God.

1Cor 8:6:
"But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him."

ahmedio2017:
2. No, the message came to the prophet Muhammad not the other prophets that had left, they all have different purpose with the same mission, so if anyone should accept Islam you must affirm there is only one God and Muhammad is a prophet of God. Mind you Jesus and all other prophets recognize only one God and not trinity.

1. Unlike other prophets, Did Allah speak directly to Mohammed or was it Jibril?
2. Tell me any other prophet in history who [b]associates his name with that of his God [/b]other than Mohammed?

Or it is untrue that Mohammed associate his name and knowledge in partnership with Allah's name.?

ahmedio2017:
3. First as how? Muhammad s.a.w is the last prophet and he is the one God use to perfect his religion for all mankind.

By their fruit you shall know them.
By the fruit of Mohammed he cannot be a messenger of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
Who told you that he is the Last prophet?
What is the evidence that he was sent by God? Every prophet was given a sign for his people to authenticate that they were sent by God.

A person who created a religion of Idolatory from the religion of the Jews and Christians.
Don't you kiss the black stone again?

ahmedio2017:
4. No Muslims can refer to God as father

Then Jesus cannot be a Muslim as He calls God Father and asked us his followers to call God our Father.

ahmedio2017:
In the bible there are numerous verses where Jesus Christ PBUH refer to God as God and not father, Bible is full of many mistakes, contradictions, and errors is something that you know, so we Muslims will hold on to where Jesus Christ PBUH refer to God as God and not father.....


Now I have answer your question, it is now your turn

Because, God is both our God and Father!

ahmedio2017:
1. If Jesus Christ PBUH is not a Muslim then tell us the name of his religion

If God cannot have a religion, Jesus cannot have a religion.
Qur'an 5:72
They have certainly disbelieved who say, "Allāh is the Messiah, the son of Mary" while the Messiah has said, "O Children of Israel, worship Allāh, my Lord and your Lord." Indeed, he who associates others with Allāh - Allāh has forbidden him Paradise, and his refuge is the Fire. And there are not for the wrongdoers any helpers.
Even Allah acknowledged that we Christians claim that Allah is the Messiah!
How can the Messiah have a religion if He is Allah himself?

ahmedio2017:
2. Did Jesus Christ PBUH believe in oneness of God or Trinity?

Trinity is the oneness of God!

ahmedio2017:
3. How does Jesus Christ PBUH worship his God.

I think you should tell me how the Messiah worshipped the Father?

He spoke to His father in Heaven.
He Hallowed His Father in Heaven.

I guess you should show me how Jesus performed Ablution snorting water through his nose and reciting Al-Fathia in prayers?

ahmedio2017:
4. Is there any correlation between how Jesus Christ PBUH worshiped his God and how Christians Paul's followers are worshiping their god Paul

According you your religion, is it untrue that Paul was an Apostle of Jesus?



Again:
Can you please give at least one evidence that ANY of the prophets you know call themselves Muslims?

honesttalk21:
What did Bilal mean by saying Ahad? Will he change that?

When Bilal accepted the Holy Prophet pbuh, he was persecuted through different means. When people would intensify their punishment against Bilal, he would say, “Ahad, Ahad” [i.e., God is one, God is one]. His tormentors would tell him to repeat as they did but in reply, Bilal(ra) would say, “My tongue cannot utter such a thing.” According to another narration, when the mushrikeen [idolaters] would punish him so that they could deter him away from his belief,Bilal would respond by saying, “Allah, Allah.” (Ibn Sa‘d, Al-Tabaqat al-Kubra, Vol. 3, Bilal bin Rabah [Beirut, Lebanon: Dar Ihya al-Turath al-‘Arabi, 2017] 175) (Ali Ibn al-Athir, Usd al-Ghabah fi Ma‘rifat al-Sahabah, Vol. 1, Bilal bin Rabah [Beirut, Lebanon: Dar al-Fikr, 2003]

Unfortunately, I even trued to look for the Book of Ibn Sa'd and only two ahmadiya sites quoted the above.

Not withstanding, this is not my aim yet.

Your argument is heavily flawed

Bilal that was being tortured intensely by Umayyah ibn Khalaf and Co while he was repeatedly saying AHAD , AHAD...
What you are saying is that Bilal was not grateful for being bought and saved from this wicked master by Abubakr(the rich man) for himself but is concerned about wanting to ensure that Abu Bakr’s intention was pure and solely for the sake of Allah.

This doesn't make sense sir: it is completely illogical!

ahmedio2017:
Now the question is do you believe in Allah?
You this hypocrite, do you believe in prophet Muhammad s.a.w. that verse is talking to the Christians, Jews and the likes who believe in ALLAH you too read and understand. Do you believe in ALLAH?

You are the Muslim and I can only convince you from your book of Allah.

Did not Allah also state that

Qur'an 29:46:
"And do not argue with the People of the Scripture except in a way that is best, except for those who commit injustice among them, and say, 'We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you. And our God and your God is one; and we are Muslims [in submission] to Him.'"

Is this false?

Expanse2020:
Mumu you English is worrying Abi you don't Know the meaning of the emancipation
😂😂😂😂
The narrator was referring how he and bilall called Abu bakr has there Master(Maola) who free them from slavery...you better go back school

Truly it was Emancipation from Umayyah ibn Khalaf but not from Abubakr otherwise there is no need for a free man to give the statement of Bilal.

Bilal is simply challenging Abubakr to set him free if Indeed he bought him for the sake of Allah.

It is you who need to go back to learn English comprehension

“Abu Bakr is our master and he emancipated our master,” meaning Bilal."

According to the text above, who is the " our Master "?

honesttalk21:
Hopefully the joke would not rest on you in a regretful manner.


When Abu Bakr bought Bilal from his owner, he intended to set him free for the sake of Allah. However, Bilal, being a man of deep faith and understanding, wanted to ensure that Abu Bakr’s intention was pure and solely for the sake of Allah. He asked; “If you have bought me for yourself then keep me (for yourself), but if you have bought me for Allah’s Sake, then leave me for Allah’s Work.”

This statement by Bilal reflects his humility, devotion to Allah, and his desire to serve the cause of Islam. By questioning Abu Bakr’s intention, he emphasized the importance of sincerity and purity of intention in all actions, especially those done in the name of religion.

Abu Bakr, who later became the first caliph of Islam, purchased Bilal’s freedom and set him free. However, Bilal’s response to Abu Bakr’s act of kindness demonstrates his unwavering commitment to serving Allah above all else. By expressing his willingness to serve Allah’s cause rather than being owned by anyone, Bilal exemplified the importance of sincerity and dedication in one’s faith.

How Muslims can lie!?

Does this even make sense to you?

Bilal that was being tortured intensely by Umayyah ibn Khalaf and Co while he was repeatedly saying AHAD , AHAD...
What you are saying is that Bilal was not grateful for being bought and saved from this wicked master by Abubakr(the rich man) for himself but is concerned about wanting to ensure that Abu Bakr’s intention was pure and solely for the sake of Allah.


Please tell another Lie as this one is completely sensible in reverse. Must you conjure this magnitude of nonsensical impossibilities just to keep up some arguments!?

Of course, the Spirit of Taqqiya runs through all your scholars as you probably just copied it without thinking that it has the ability to fit common sense!

honesttalk21:
What do you insinuate as untrustworthy about these hadith? They are trustworthy it's only the time when these occurrences happened that is different. One refers to a much earlier time than the other.

It doesn't look so sir!
I think it was you who said Bilal wasn't Allowed to do Jihad (I hope I'm correct) and that was why he said to Abubakr to either continue to hold him as a slave or free him.

Are you changing your narrative?

Expanse2020:
The Kufar will surely enter the hell fire and who are the Kufar the christians, Jew and the pagan that don't worship the right God which is ALLAH
So if you know you are among then start preparing yourself for the hell😂😂😂😂😂

Muslims are the only people who rubishes the words of their God for the narration of men..

Qur'an 2.62
Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve.


So this above is untrue!?

Expanse2020:
Jabir ibn Abdullah reported: Umar, may Allah be pleased with him, used to say, “Abu Bakr is our master and he emancipated our master,” meaning Bilal.


In another narration it is mentioned that when Bilal became a Muslim, his masters took hold of him and laid him on the ground and placed stones and cow skin on him and said, “Your gods are Lat and Uzza [names of idols].” However, Bilal(ra) would only repeat, “Ahad, Ahad [God is One, God is One].”
Abu bakr but him from his master and bilall asked him did you buy me for yourself or you buy me in order to perform his duty to Allah

Abu Bakr(ra) approached his masters and said, “For how long will you continue to torment this man?” Abu Bakr paid seven auqiyah for Bilal and freed him.
Thereafter, Abu Bakr(ra) narrated this incident to the Prophet Muhammad pbuh, upon which the Holy Prophet(sa) said, “O Abu Bakr! Include me in this deed as well.” Abu Bakr replied, “O Prophet(sa) of Allah! I have already freed him.” (Ibn Sa‘d, Al-Tabaqat al-Kubra, Vol. 3, Bilal bin Rabah [Beirut, Lebanon: Dar al-Kutub al-‘Ilmiyyah, 2017]

The verses of Quran was revealed in following verses of the Holy Quran:

"He who gives in charity and fears Allah And in all sincerity testifies to the Truth; We shall indeed make smooth for him the path of Bliss" {92:5-7}

"Those who spend their wealth for increase in self-purification; And have in their minds no favor from any one For which a reward is expected in return, But only the desire to seek the Countenance, Of their Lord, Most High; And soon they shall attain complete satisfaction." {92:8-21}

Are you satisfied

I know you have asked alot of people hear and they have gave u the answer...
You are just wailing up and down

Just a little point your reinvention of story didn't cover.

Bilal was a slave and thus couldn't be a master at the same time.

Do you know what it proves?

The statement :
"Jabir ibn Abdullah reported: Umar, may Allah be pleased with him, used to say, “Abu Bakr is our master and he emancipated our master,” meaning Bilal."

could NOT have been made when Abubakr emancipated Bilal FROM Umayyah ibn Khalaf by buying him for himself.

This rubishes all your cock and bull story to rewrite history

Ohyoudidnt:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XusHThXpT3g?si=1GBW-TbYgFbbATxm

Thank you for diffusing tension with this Israeli song. I've not been able to get the lyrics yet.

Shalom!

Expanse2020:
You should probably grab the book they wrote on each sahaba and read about Bilal(Rta) if you want to know how he was set free...

I think you should explain why Bilal a free man would say this to Abubakr!



Sahih al-Bukhari 3755
Narrated Qais:
Bilal said to Abu Bakr, "If you have bought me for yourself then keep me (for yourself), but if you have bought me for Allah's Sake , then leave me for Allah's Work."