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honesttalk21:
Let me now attempt to explain what you refuse to do.



To establish a clearer understanding of Bilal's freedom, we must critically examine the descriptive details provided by each source. In Riyad as-Salihin, while the specific time of Bilal's emancipation is not explicitly mentioned, it does indicate that the events described occurred before the conquest of Makkah. The lack of a direct reference to the conquest implies that Bilal had already been freed before this significant event. However, it does not offer a precise timeline or any other distinguishing details regarding the chronology of Bilal's liberation.

In contrast, Sahih Bukhari narrates an incident that directly links Bilal's freedom to the conquest of Makkah. The account describes Bilal's iconic call to prayer from atop the Kaaba, an act that would have required him to be independent and free. The distinct connection between Bilal's liberation and the specific historical event of the conquest of Makkah suggests that this was the moment of his emancipation.

In examining and comparing the narratives presented in Riyad as-Salihin and Sahih Bukhari, it becomes evident that Sahih Bukhari's account of Bilal's emancipation during the conquest of Makkah is more historically accurate. While Riyad as-Salihin offers insight into the torture endured by Bilal, it lacks the explicit linkage to the event that symbolized his freedom—the call to prayer from atop the Kaaba. Thus, Sahih Bukhari's descriptive details and connection to a significant historical event lend credibility to its narrative.

Expanse2020:
He supports Jacob too
Who had 2wives and also sleep with 3slaves to give birth to 11 children
And did God condemned him to
Did God condemned Solomon too
Did God condemned Adam too
You are sick bro

ahmedio2017:
The word “Islam” means “submission to the will of God.” Followers of Islam are called Muslims. Muslims are monotheistic and worship one, all-knowing God, who in Arabic is known as Allah. Followers of Islam aim to live a life of complete submission to Allah.

ahmedio2017:
You guys are just saying nonsense, Jesus Christ PBUH is a MUSLIM, and he wasn't crucify, he wasn't a biological son of God as you are made to believed by your prophet Paul. You guys are not Jesus Christ PBUH followers as he had nothing to do with Christianity you can prove me wrong, he didn't preach anything Christianity it was Paul that brought about Christianity.

So stop attaching yourself to Jesus Christ PBUH.

Expanse2020:
Have you asked yourself thought Which kind of God you are serving
That is punishing you because of a sin of a couple 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂you know nothing about .. and will later sacrifice a whole human being as himself to clean the sin after centuries of years but the sin had not finish but still till date is that not. Cone God

Expanse2020:
Mumu did you read the story of the Bilal to know how he was set free..

Expanse2020:
I taught they said there is no war and slavery in the bible
Then explain this to me
Duetoronomy
When you go to war against your enemies and the LORD your God delivers them into your hands and you take captives,
11 if you notice among the captives a beautiful woman and are attracted to her, you may take her as your wife.
12 Bring her into your home and have her shave her head, trim her nails

Number
Keeping Slaves and captive
asked them, "Why have you kept all the women alive?
16 Remember that it was the women who followed Balaam's instructions and at Peor led the people to be unfaithful to the Lord. That was what brought the epidemic on the Lord's people.
17 So now kill every boy and kill every woman who has had sexual intercourse,
18 but keep alive for yourselves all the girls and all the women who are virgins.

The following is a list of what was captured by the soldiers, in addition to what they kept for themselves: 675,000 sheep and goats, 72,000 cattle, 61,000 donkeys, and[b] 32,000 virgins.[/b]. Christian don spoil life take the 32,k virgins underage girls

YOUR LORD WICKED OO
The wise will be put to shame; they will be dismayed and trapped. Since they have rejected the word of the LORD, what kind of wisdom do they have?
10 Therefore I will give their wives to other men and their fields to new owners. From the least to the greatest, all are greedy for gain; prophets and priests alike, all practice deceit. Iyawo oni iyawo haba

YOUR IS TOO WICKED ON TOP WETIN
NO wonder Christianity don border about marriage they love cohort very very well
This is what the LORD says: Because of what you have done, I will cause your own household to rebel against you. I will give your wives to another man before your very eyes, and he will go to bed with them in public view.

Expanse2020:
You mean David not a prophet
You mean lot not a prophet
You don't read your bible very well

honesttalk21:
Abu Bakr r.a bought Bilal r.a for himself as a means to an end.

Umayyad will not have freed him otherwise. Was he not an enemy to the truth, Muhammad pbuh and Islam?

You can end or hide away when the folly of your argument is presented to you.

The hadith you of Riyadh Saliheen starts with what? In the Pre-Islamic Period of Ignorance

Did the period of pre-islamic ignorance persist forever? Doesn't this simple extract not show you the fault of your line of thinking?

honesttalk21:
Did Abu Bakr not buy Bilal off his former master to save him and allow him practice his chosen faith which his master dislikes and chose as justification for the inhuman torture he subject him to?

How will Tenq have saved Bilal differently if he was desirous of saving him?

honesttalk21:
You still post after saying?


In how many minutes do you contradict yourself?
Did you not post again after saying:

i]Please let's close this as the topic has been completely derailed.
[/i]

Did you see this?




Jabir ibn Abdullah reported: Umar, may Allah be pleased with him, used to say, “Abu Bakr is our master and he emancipated our master,” meaning Bilal. Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī 3754

Narrated Jabir bin `Abdullah:

`Umar used to say, "Abu Bakr is our chief, and he manumitted our chief," meaning Bilal.

حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو نُعَيْمٍ، حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الْعَزِيزِ بْنُ أَبِي سَلَمَةَ، عَنْ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ الْمُنْكَدِرِ، أَخْبَرَنَا جَابِرُ بْنُ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ ـ رضى الله عنهما ـ قَالَ كَانَ عُمَرُ يَقُولُ أَبُو بَكْرٍ سَيِّدُنَا، وَأَعْتَقَ سَيِّدَنَا‏.‏ يَعْنِي بِلاَلاً

https://sunnah.com/bukhari:3754

Translation:
Abu Na'im told us, 'Abd al-'Aziz ibn Abi Salamah told us about Muhammad ibn al-Munkadir, Jabir ibn 'Abdullah (may Allah be pleased with them) told us, 'Umar used to say Abu Bakr is our master, and he freed our master. I mean no need

What is the meaning of manumitted?

What is the meaning of freed?

Abu Bakr, known for his compassion and generosity, purchased Bilal’s freedom from slavery. The exact date of this manumission is not definitively recorded in historical sources, but it is commonly believed to have taken place during the early years of Islam when persecution of Muslims was at its peak.

The exact date of Bilal’s manumission by Abu Bakr is not definitively recorded in historical sources, but it is generally believed to have taken place during the early years of Islam, possibly around 615-616 CE.

Is it not written in At-Tabari that?

Then Abu Bakr bought Bilal and handed him over to his mother and set him free.” - At-Tabari, History of the Prophets and Kings

Or this part of At-Tabari is of no interest to you yet you emphasize other aspects? Why is this?


Then to answer your question you need to provide me some information please. Can you provide the timeline of Riyad as-Salihin 438 to be compared with Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī 3754?

This will enable exact placement of when these occurrences were relative to each other?

honesttalk21:
This hadith reflects the deep sense of devotion and commitment to serving Allah that Bilal had.It shows the importance of intention and sincerity in one’s actions, emphasizing that acts should be done solely for the sake of pleasing Allah rather than for personal gain or interests.

Bilal’s statement also shows the concept of ownership in Islam, where ultimately all individuals belong to Allah and should be dedicated to His service. It serves as a reminder to prioritize spiritual pursuits and the greater good over worldly possessions or desires.

This narration from Sahih al-Bukhari 3755 provides valuable insights into the mindset of early Muslims and their unwavering dedication to faith and service to Allah.

honesttalk21:
Abu Bakr and Bilal went to the Prophet sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam with the good news. There he announed, "I am setting Bilal free, O Messenger of Allah." This greatly pleased the Prophet sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam not to mention Bilal himself.

You have never come across this in the hadith and Seerah you often refer too?

For someone who says he knows English language

manumit
Definitions from Oxford Languages · Learn
release from slavery; set free.

FATH AL-BARI (EXPLANATION OF SAHIH AL-BUKHARI) - IBN RAJAB

Image123:
Find your education elsewhere then.

honesttalk21:
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Bilal was a black slave from Habasha, Modern day Ethiopia. A son of an Arab father and an Ethiopian mother. His mother was an Ethiopian princess who was forced into slavery and got married to another slave. Bilal was born in Mecca.

Bilal was bought and freed by Abu Bakr, who was sent by the Prophet following Ummaya's torture of Bilal because he accepted Islam.

Abu Bakr freed Bilal from slavery during the early days of Islam. Bilal was a slave to a man named Umayya ibn Khalaf, who was known for his enmity towards Islam and its followers. When Bilal converted to Islam, he was subjected to severe persecution by his master. He was tortured repeatedly, but he never renounced his faith. When Abu Bakr learned about Bilal’s plight, he approached Umayya ibn Khalaf and offered to buy Bilal’s freedom. Umayya initially refused, but Abu Bakr persisted, and eventually, he was able to purchase Bilal’s freedom.

Hazrat Abubakar Siddique met Bilal's master, asked His price. After paying the price He was freed. After His freedom he lived with Holy Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H.). He was first Mouzan of Islam. (Mouzan is a person who invites people for prayer by Azaan in Mosque). He never begged for freedom. He was very happy with Holy Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H.).

Jabir ibn Abdullah reported: Umar, may Allah be pleased with him, used to say, “Abu Bakr is our master and he emancipated our master,” meaning Bilal. Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī 3754

Now Sahih Bukhari 3755 reads
حَدَّثَنَا ابْنُ نُمَيْرٍ، عَنْ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ عُبَيْدٍ، حَدَّثَنَا إِسْمَاعِيلُ، عَنْ قَيْسٍ، أَنَّ بِلاَلاً، قَالَ لأَبِي بَكْرٍ إِنْ كُنْتَ إِنَّمَا اشْتَرَيْتَنِي لِنَفْسِكَ فَأَمْسِكْنِي، وَإِنْ كُنْتَ إِنَّمَا اشْتَرَيْتَنِي لِلَّهِ فَدَعْنِي وَعَمَلَ اللَّهِ‏

Translation from https://translate.google.com/
Reads
Ibn Numayr told us, on the authority of Muhammad bin Ubaid, Ismail told us, on the authority of Qais, that Bilal said to Abu Bakr, “You only bought me for yourself yesterday.” Be me, and if you only bought me for God, then leave me and God will work.

Bab.la

Ibn Numayr told us, from Muhammad ibn Ubayd, Ismail told us, from Qays, that Bilala, said to Abu Bakr, "If you bought me for yourself, then hold me, and if you only bought me for God, then let me and God's work."


Bilal was freed shortly after Abu Bakr purchased him

Image123:
You may want to go back to those questions that i asked first. Don't take my word for the flute, ask a friend or check well online.

Image123:
If you are a victim of the white man or have some inferiority complex for the white man, sorry about your case. Syncreticism doesn't go with Jesus, no matter how it is painted.
Perhaps since you're young and probably have little or no deep Igbo roots, you do not know much about the Oja flute. You sidestepped my question to instead ask yours, you may want to go back to those questions that i asked first.

gaskiyamagana:
As you used to do with multiple account names to say different things to confuse others about Islam, you think others are ?
Clearing your confusion.
gaskiyamagana is never Honesttalk21. It is only coincidence that Honesttalk means gaskiyamagana. We are also muslims.
Besides the fact that I knew quite alright, and as I am convinced that you are anti Islam ROBOTICAL PROGRAM person, whom can not understand explanation on true Islam, except and until re- program, I am also busy with other things that is why I am not responding to you.

honesttalk21:
Whatever your views or abuse it still remains my prerogative or your quest for control is so bullish? Live your life or isn't it enough for you?

Have you finished grappling with:

2 Kings 19:10
“Thus you shall say to Hezekiah king of Judah, ‘Do not let your God in whom you trust deceive you [/b]saying, “Jerusalem will not be given into the hand of the king of Assyria.”

Isaiah 37:10
“Thus you shall say to Hezekiah king of Judah, ‘[b]Do not let your God in whom you trust deceive you, [/b]saying, “Jerusalem will not be given into the hand of the king of Assyria.”

Jeremiah 20:7
[b]O Lord, You have deceived me and I was deceived;
You have overcome me and prevailed.
I have become a laughingstock all day long;
Everyone mocks me.

Jeremiah 4:10
Then I said, “Ah, Lord God! Surely You have utterly deceived this people and Jerusalem, saying, ‘You will have peace’; whereas a sword touches the throat.”

Ezekiel 14:9
“But if the prophet is prevailed upon to speak a word, it is I, the Lord, who have prevailed upon that prophet, and I will stretch out My hand against him and destroy him from among My people Israel.

2 Thessalonians 2:11
For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false
Imagine the justification

1 Kings 22:22
The Lord said to him, ‘How?’ And he said, ‘I will go out and be a deceiving spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.’ Then He said, ‘You are to entice him and also prevail. Go and do so.’

(Encouraged by your god?)

1 Kings 22:23
Now therefore, behold, the Lord has put a 9 Bible Verses about
God Deceiving
Most Relevant Verses
2 Kings 19:10
Verse Concepts
“Thus you shall say to Hezekiah king of Judah, ‘Do not let your God in whom you trust deceive you saying, “Jerusalem will not be given into the hand of the king of Assyria.”

Isaiah 37:10
Verse Concepts
“Thus you shall say to Hezekiah king of Judah, ‘Do not let your God in whom you trust deceive you, saying, “Jerusalem will not be given into the hand of the king of Assyria.”

Jeremiah 20:7
Verse Concepts
O Lord, You have deceived me and I was deceived;
You have overcome me and prevailed.
I have become a laughingstock all day long;
Everyone mocks me.

Jeremiah 4:10
Verse Concepts
Then I said, “Ah, Lord God! Surely You have utterly deceived this people and Jerusalem, saying, ‘You will have peace’; whereas a sword touches the throat.”

Ezekiel 14:9
Verse Concepts
“But if the prophet is prevailed upon to speak a word, it is I, the Lord, who have prevailed upon that prophet, and I will stretch out My hand against him and destroy him from among My people Israel.

2 Thessalonians 2:11
Verse Concepts
For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false,

Job 13:7
“Will you speak what is unjust for God,
And speak what is deceitful for Him?

1 Kings 22:22
Verse Concepts
The Lord said to him, ‘How?’ And he said, ‘I will go out and be a deceiving spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.’ Then He said, ‘You are to entice him and also prevail. Go and do so.’

1 Kings 22:23
Now therefore, behold, the Lord has put a deceiving spirit in the mouth of all these your prophets; and the Lord has proclaimed disaster against you.”

AntiChristian:
Comprehension = 0

What's the Arabic word translated as Christians?

shoodboi2:
Palestinians are going nowhere. Leaving means they will never return. Leaving means they become lifetime refugees and will never have a country. Leaving means Israel has won.

Israel keeps bombing Palestinians schools, family homes, and hospitals because it wants them to leave. Once Palestinians leave, Israel takes over the land and the Palestinians will never return.

Willed042:
Has their claim been independently varifed or just believe that because UNRWA said so. I really believe Hamas has a strong influence in the day to day activities of UNRWA because majority of their staff are Palistine. Since Palistines are emotional attached to Hamas then it is sufficient to believe that Hamas controls that agency because they can't tell me they have no prior knowledge of Hamas activities. U will see the hypocrisy from their spokeswoman who for once never condemned the hostage taking.

shoodboi2:
You are correct. The UNRWA has repeatedly exposed Israel as a liar. So Israel is trying to discredit the organization and tag it as a Hamas supporter.

shoodboi2:
While Israel continues to kill Palestinian children and bomb hospitals and murder babies, Hamas, PIJ, and other resistance groups in Gaza and Lebanon continue to resist Israeli soldiers and tanks in order to protect Palestinians from the Israeli genocide.

Meanwhile, even Israel's most loyal supporters agree Israel is committing a genocide.

In this short 38 seconds video, the Israeli supporter mentioned the Holocaust and said "Do not use other genocides to describe this one." She only realized what she had done after others shouted "Ha!" 🤣🤡



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9Dy7XJROp4

shoodboi2:
Israel is gearing its propaganda as it wants to begin bombing Rafah. Rafah is the last of the so-called "safe areas" Israel would tell Palestinians to go.

Once the Palestinians go there, Israel will claim to have discovered a Hamas tunnel there or rescued a hostage there, and use that as an excuse to begin bombing the Palestinians.

The same Israel continues to bomb hospitals and family houses in Gaza and West Bank, calling them power targets.


Every baby in the images below was killed when israel bombed their family house or hospital. The last baby is even still holding onto the bread he was eating when Israel bombed his house.

honesttalk21:
Islamic spirituality revolves around a profound understanding and connection with Allah, the supreme and all-encompassing entity in the Islamic faith. Allah's definition or description within the context of Islamic spirituality is rooted in the belief in His divine attributes, the recognition of His omniscience, omnipotence, and utmost mercy, and the pursuit of a personal relationship with Him.

If you are unable to detach from literal interpretation of statements in religious texts there's nothing to be said anymore.

honesttalk21:
Islam is against the trinity as all truly monotheistic beliefs are. The almighty Creator and sustainer is one supreme being not a confusing philosophical contradiction of 3 in 1 or 1 in 3.

honesttalk21:
Your person Sirtee15 shares an article where both David and Jesus are referred to as Servants. As to whether or not you will agree with his view; the article or what it relies on is entirely up to you. It however is a good pointer to the uncertainty in the views about Jesus before the resolution to deem him God manifest. This is wrong. You literally take words where Jesus says God is his father and fail to appreciate or pretend not to appreciate the context.

There is no need to prove a case to you that only sees the opposite. Your utterances reveal you are just not taking any alternative view to what is said.

honesttalk21:
Allah, as conceived in Islamic spirituality, embodies a multitude of attributes that guide Muslims on their spiritual journey. Understanding the nature of Allah as the ultimate source of harmony and unity, the embodiment of mercy and compassion, and the recipient of direct human connection serves as a cornerstone of Islamic spirituality. Recognizing Allah's omnipotence and infiniteness strengthens believers' devotion and gratitude towards the divine. By aligning their lives with the essence of Allah, Muslims strive to emulate His attributes and forge a deeper spiritual connection. As we delve into the heart of Islamic spirituality, the understanding and reverence for Allah hold immense potential to bring individuals closer to the divine, fostering tranquility, righteousness, and fulfillment in their lives.

A Conceptualization of God in Islam - Al-Jallad, A. J. (2017).

honesttalk21:
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Your opinion

honesttalk21:
I have given you and it is of no import so it's all as you see it to be

honesttalk21:
You can make of it whatever you please

TenQ:
Are you saying that a spirit is a living entity?
Why!?
According to Allah,
Jibril is a spirit!
Jesus is a spirit!


You you concur that Angels are spirits?

honesttalk21:
There is no specific hadith that directly states that Allah is a boundless spirit. In Islam, Allah is described as beyond human comprehension and transcending physical attributes.

Image123:
Kindly explain how cultural dance and flute playing praised or glorified God in the video.