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Dtruthspeaker:
Please, forgive me, i cannot obey it for i have explained that it is of necessity that that area of dispute is always made INDISPUTABLY CLEAR For Truth to shine Bright and for irrelevant arguments to be kept away from it so as not to cause distractions and mixing of unnecessary arguments with the main issue of dispute.

And if you are a Christian you would always want Truth to be made clear for Truth loves light but lies and confusion love darkness.. So as a Christian you don't want confusion in this search/verification of Truth. So please support me. So. This has to be cut off as it is not the area of dispute.

I am sorry then.

I cannot go on discussing out of context where you
1. Choose only what you want
2. Avoid whatever will betray your position
3. Deliberately choose not to respond to questions because answering them make your position indefensible.

I am sorry, I do not deal in emotionalism with respect to the scriptures: if you cannot defend your position, be humble to learn!

Have a nice day.

2Cor 3:6:
"Who also has made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter kills, but the spirit gives life."

Expanse2020:
So when they choose to rule so they must not follow..
Just like the xtians don't follow the book 🤣🤣 and list ...

Just like lieing that Adam was the reason where suffering and we he enherit his sins,🤣🤣🤣
And what else lie you ppl use on yourself

They follow the religion of Mohammed and not Allah.

Allah says: No compulsion in religion.
Mohammed says: If anyone leave his religion, kill him.

Tell me anywhere in the Qur'an Allah asked you to flog anyone who did not put on hijab?

It doesn't exist because Shari'a is the law of Mohammed and not Allah!

I will appreciate that you don't cut off my text again.

Dtruthspeaker:
My question is, from Exodus 23:7, we can see that God will never uphold wickedness. And adultery is wickedness to a spouse.

So, how can a person who does not just cheat on his wife (adultery) but even now goes as far as marrying his co-adulterer, be sinless?

Is such a person sinless?i[/b]

Exod 23:7:
"Keep far from a false matter, and do not kill the innocent and righteous; for I will not justify the wicked."


From the scriptures below, we can show clearly that Adultery is wickedness Mark 7:21–23, 1 Corinthians 6:9–10 and Galatians 5:19-21


BUT, through your biased INTERPOLATIONS
Suddenly, you moved from CHEATING on one's spouse (which is clearly ADULTERY) and connecting it with POLYGAMY!
How!?
Did Abraham cheat on Sarah?
You wouldn't answer this question!


And you refused to answer my first relevant question

A. If Polygamy is a SIN, do you admit that
1. David died in sin
2. Israel (Jacob) died in sin
3. Abraham died in sin (he even had a concubine)
It is a YES or NO answer!


Your question assume that Polygamy is a Sin of Adultery making your questions presumptuous.
Is such a person sinless?
The Answer
It depends.
If he married a new wife without the knowledge or consent of his Wife, it is ADULTERY
However,
Of he married the new wife with the consent and knowledge of his Wife, it is NOT Adultery.

Again: Did Abraham cheat on Sarah?
You wouldn't answer this question!



So, again, Kindly show me where Polygamy is classed as Adultery anywhere in the Bible?

Your Position:
It is a SIN of Adultery for a man to have more than one Wife.

My Position:
It is NOT a sin if a man have more than one wife, However Polygamy is NOT God's ideal plan for Marriage as stated by Jesus.

Your take:
TenQ should first admit that Polygamy is a SIN first, then you can answer his basic Questions.

Is this LOGICAL?

Dtruthspeaker:
Yes, i am restating my position and it is a question, and thought you could have given me a reason valid answer that would have cleared out the question.

So are you saying that you cannot give a Truthful answer to that simple question which is the foundation of polygamy because of your bias? As a Christian you are bound to give Truthful answers to questions given to you. So, please answer this foundational question and declare the Truth and shame the Liars who made this false doctrine.

By Exodus 23:7, If God will never justify the wicked, then how can you say then that a person who cheated on his wife (adultery) and even goes as far as marrying his co-adulterer, is sinless?

I don't seem to get your question!
Kindly restate it.



I will answer your question and then you answer mine. Is this fair.

TenQ doesn't avoid questions even by the staunchest Atheist or Muslim.

Dtruthspeaker:
I answer point to point aka area of concentration. So that nobody can deny or lie against their words and the point they made vs the response I gave to those points, especially when those points are non issues.

So cutting out the part makes it accurate and easier to settle them away from the main issue of argument as those points raised are usually distractions meant to divert attention from the main subject of argument



The thread shows that i already told you that I will not address those questions because other issues must FIRST be settled before them. So., you are putting the cart before the horse

So, by now you can see that i am addressing the horse before your cart of questions, so all these are distractive non issues. Let's go back to the main issue

The logically of your position doesn't even bother you.


In a debate:
You want your opponent to admit concession (through blackmail) even before you justify your position.

Does this stance make sense to you?


You won't answer my questions because it betrays your lack of cognition of Doctrinal Truths.

You even justify cropping off issues that worry you in other to state your points and you think it is normal.

Cutting off aspects you do not like in a discussion is deception and avoidance of context of discussion!

Russia indeed made a big blunder by invading Ukraine.

They underestimated Zelensky who they thought was a CLOWN that will run away on hearing that Putin was Coming.


They underestimated Ukraine that they would love to be Like Belarus who cannot do anything for themselves without asking Putin

Dtruthspeaker:
In other words, even though you see yor doctrine is unfounded, you choose to believe it? How are you different from the Muslims you attack?

Did you not read "Keep thee far from a false matter; and the innocent and righteous slay thou not: for I will not justify the wicked? Exodus 23:7

If God will never justify the wicked, then how can you say then that a person who cheated on his wife (adultery) and even goes as far as marrying his co-adulterer, is sinless? (Even your law courts recognise this sin and called it the crime of bigamy()

So, if sinners themselves have identified that it is a sin, how do you now imagine that God Who is Holy, would Say that it is not a sin?

All you are doing is restating your position.

All I have done after stating my position is to ASK you Questions.

Why are you terrified of answering them if your doctrine is correct.

1Pet 3:15:
"But sanctify the Lord God in your own hearts, and always be prepared to give an answer to anyone who asks you the reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and reverence;"







AGAIN!


You have chosen to be EVASIVE by not answering my question simply because your doctrine CANNOT stand scrutiny!


THE QUESTIONS!
A. If Polygamy is a SIN, do you admit that
1. David died in sin
2. Israel (Jacob) died in sin
3. Abraham died in sin (he even had a concubine)
It is a YES or NO answer!

B. Let me give you a challenge:
1. Find me just ONE Sin in the New Testament that is NOT a sin in the Old Testament!

2. Find me just ONE Moral Sin in the Old Testament that is NOT a sin in the New Testament!


C. Help me solve this practical problem
Alhaji Anti-christian with ALL his four wives got born again. He had married five times but divorced his first wife before marrying his last wife to maintain four wives. Each of his five wives have three children each.
They all come to your church and you are the pastor.

What is your Christ based advice
1. To Alhaji Anti-christian
2. To each of the current four wives
3. To the first wife.




The only reason you won't answer the Questions is because, your Theology breaks down under scrutiny.

2Cor 3:6:
"Who also made us competent as ministers of the New Covenant; not of the letter, but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life."

Are you TERRIFIED of the TRUTH!?
Cropping off the parts of my post seems to show that you seem to be afraid of something

BTW
Nowhere did I justify Polygamy nor stated that it is not wrong: otherwise, why would Jesus bring us back to the Ideal!

But you chose to hear what you want to hear.

Dtruthspeaker:
The thread shows that your belief in the doctrine that polygamy is not wrong is/was being tested and you could not found it as you started dodging and trying to nove post to divorce whereas, it is about polygamy. And when you could no longer dodge, you decide to resort to the fallacy of reversing the burden of proof rather than admit that you are wrong or that your doctrine is unfounded.

So, the fraud and the sin is that you claim to be a Christian but here you are strongly refusing to confess the Truth before your face and admit that you are wrong..

Saying the part in bold just grounds your fraud for 3 times i have said that i would answer your questions but because you are committing the fallacy of reversal of the burden of proof is why I have not answered it. So, do the right thing and be the Christian you claim to be

I gave you questions because you are not LISTENING to anything other than what you want to hear. Answering questions force you to first listen to yourself then you can be able to listen to others.

Why is it difficult for you to answer simple questions?

I think its because you dont have an answer. Just 3 very simple doctrinal applications Questions!

Dtruthspeaker:
This is the 3rd time that I am saying that I would not answer your question if you do not FIRST admit that you are wrong

This would be nothing other than fraud to admit what I honestly and truly believe in WRONG in order that you may answer my Questions which actually ultimately proves you wrong!

I put it to you that you chose to be evasive because your Theology fails the test of scrutiny.

Dtruthspeaker:
So, you cannot say that I cannot answer the question when you yourself have not done your part of admitting that you are wrong.
Can you not just say these 3 simple words of Truth? You know it is sinners. who do not believe in admission of wrong, So, if truly you are Christian you have to make this admission m. So, do you admit that you are wrong?

Sorry Sir.
I admit that I know in part and my understanding may not be perfect BUT until by the weight of Scriptural Evidence and it Application, I do not change my Truth because my GO says I should.


I ALWAYS stand by the TRUTH as I intellectually understand it. If you do not have the intellectual resource to show me scriptural evidence, then you stand on NOTHING but your EMOTIONAL rollercoaster.

You have chosen to be EVASIVE by not answering my question simply because your doctrine CANNOT stand scrutiny!

Let me add another question:


A. If Polygamy is a SIN, do you admit that
1. David died in sin
2. Israel (Jacob) died in sin
3. Abraham died in sin (he even had a concubine)
It is a YES or NO answer!

B. Let me give you a challenge:
1. Find me just ONE Sin in the New Testament that is NOT a sin in the Old Testament!

2. Find me just ONE Moral Sin in the Old Testament that is NOT a sin in the New Testament!


C. Help me solve this practical problem
Alhaji Anti-christian with ALL his four wives got born again. He had married five times but divorced his first wife before marrying his last wife to maintain four wives. Each of his five wives have three children each.
They all come to your church and you are the pastor.

What is your Christ based advice
1. To Alhaji Anti-christian
2. To each of the current four wives
3. To the first wife.




The only reason you won't answer the Questions is because, your Theology breaks down under scrutiny.

2Cor 3:6:
"Who also made us competent as ministers of the New Covenant; not of the letter, but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life."

Dtruthspeaker:
Any doctrine that cannot be tested is a Lie therefore every doctrine is subject to be tested and it was your own that was being tested FIRST, which you yourself prove that you cannot found or sustain it, hence why I am asking for you to honourably admit that you are wrong, and then we can close your case, then the burden of proof would swing to me to answer any questions you have on me saying that polygamy is a sin.

So, do you now admit that you are wrong as not confessing this Truth means that you still believe that you are right, therefore i will keep on asking you to prove your doctrine, which you yourself can see that you cannot prove it. So, do you admit that you are wrong?

The only reason you cannot answer my questions is because it fails even your theology. I dont understand how it doesn't dawn on you that you are the evasive one in this thread. Otherwise, you would have not evaded my questions.

If your doctrine is right, it shouldn't be difficult to answer my question!

If Polygamy is a SIN, do you admit that
1. David died in sin
2. Israel (Jacob) died in sin
3. Abraham died in sin (he even had a concubine)
It is a YES or NO answer!

Dtruthspeaker:
Why are you raising divorce when since the beginning of this issue i have only asked you about polygamy which is highlighted when it looked like you were denying that you did not say that polygamy is not a sin thereby forcing me to show you your words saying, you said it's a sin "However, it may not be a SIN if a man has more than one wife"?

The Corinthians 6:9-10 is speaking more to you for you the one who is are behaving unrighteously in being dodgy, evasive and even almost denying your very own words because you find that you are cornered.

And now instead of you to admit that you are wrong since you have now resorted to the fallacy of reversing the burden of proof in asking me those questions.

If you admit that you are wrong then I can address any questions you have on the issue of polygamy. But you are dodging and dodging it just like Muslims do when you have them cornered. That act in itself should tell you that even you can see that your belief that polygamy is right, is not founded!

Just answer my question please: any doctrine that cannot be tested is just an emotional opinion
If Polygamy is a SIN, do you admit that
1. David died in sin
2. Israel (Jacob) died in sin
3. Abraham died in sin (he even had a concubine)
It is a YES or NO answer!

Expanse2020:
So you are that dulllled to know that every Country had her own law .....

So if someone broke the law and was served her right punishment, so you have to blamed it on religion 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Chaii
Africa and her mentality
What a disgrace you are

Their country chose to be ruled by the Shari'a : the law of governance of Allah and his Messenger!

kppo:
A) I have faith because I am a believer
or
B) I am a believer because I have faith

Faith is the REASON and EVIDENCE to Believing as a Christian.


Faith is TRUST and RELIANCE on the INTEGRITY of a Personality (GOD or Person). Faith is a FUNCTION of RELATIONSHIP!
eg. My Wife will never betray me


Belief is a POSITION we choose to take when our EVIDENCE about a situation is SUBJECTIVE or when our KNOWLEDGE about a situation is INCOMPLETE.
eg. I believe that with time Iran will acquire a Nuclear Bomb.


Knowing is a POSITION we choose to take when our EVIDENCE about a situation is OBJECTIVE or our KNOWLEDGE is ABSOLUTE.
eg. I know a ball when I see one.



A Believer is a STATE of Being
Faith is what is owned by a person

A Christian thus is a BELIEVER because he has FAITH!


But this is not to say that a person cannot believe FIRST but end up having FAITH. eg. A Nominal Christian becoming Born Again

Expanse2020:
So you are that dulllled to know that every Country had her own law .....

So if someone broke the law and was served her right punishment, so you have to blamed it on religion 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Chaii
Africa and her mentality
What a disgrace you are

Sharia is the law of Mohammed for Muslims isn't it?

You don't want to follow the Sunnah of your prophet!?

Dtruthspeaker:
Is this not your statement insinuating so?

Yes and I stand by it just like DIVORCE is NOT a Sin BUT God says "I hate Divorce" Malachi 2:16

If Polygamy is a SIN, do you admit that
1. David died in sin
2. Israel (Jacob) died in sin
3. Abraham died in sin (he even had a concubine)
It is a YES or NO answer!

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
"Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

I am waiting!
The letters kill!

Dtruthspeaker:
I could not attend to your questions because i already had objections to the the first part of your statement which shows that you believe polygamy is right, even though you are trying to use the N.T to kind of still say that is not allowed, which I have heard people say. But this is double speaking, plus the Truth is that we all get that you people do not really believe that polygamy is completely wrong and that is the beginning of my grouse with this issue.
So, basically you are saying polygamy is allowed and not allowed and that is not right.

Yes, it might appear that getting to the Truth of this issue might not take one out of Christ but however, getting it will definitely help us to understand God and Christ more and definitely increase our confidence when we are representing Him. And even more importantly, you may see like i do that it is another BIG LIE! And if you Truly love God, there is no way that if you see this Lie told that you won't rise up and wholly condemn it, the way you do against Muslims.

So, to address your Bible quotes up first you do real eyes that Paul said "to me" and not that he was saying that is The Law and two, via Moses, you are moving the post to divorce whereas the issue whether polygamy is right in the Eye of God.

So, i urge you to take out time to uncover the Truth as you did to Muslims so that when you are representing God on this issue, you can be sure that you are right beyond all reasonable doubt as you are against Muslims

Evidence that you were NOT listening at all.

Show me anywhere where I made or insinuated the claim highlighted in YELLOW?

If your premise is wrong, everything built upon it cannot stand!

[quote author=Expanse2020 post=139771135][/quote]There is no compulsion only that if you put not on your hijab, you'd be flogged.


Its like armed robbers asking you politely to hand over your money!
Do you think you have any choice!?

Dtruthspeaker:
Brother, at least can you now say that your thoughts on this issue is wrong? At least, even if you don't want to accept my own theory on it, you should at go back and research it, for there is no way God can ever support or justify an evil act. Polygamy means a spouse has/is commuting adultery. There is no one in the world who can remove adultery from polygamy

1. You were NOT listening to me at all
2. You had a preconceived notion of what you think I am saying and you went at tangent.
3. If you had answered some of my questions that you deliberately ignored, it would have been a level field of discussion: unfortunately, you chose not to.

Since this wouldn't take either you or me out of Christ, its okay.

You assume I justified Polygamy but you were very wrong.

1Cor 10:23:
"All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not."

A sin is a SIN whether in the OT or in the NT and God hates SIN! God doesn't condone any moral SIN irrespective of what it is.

Jesus brought us back to the IDEAL design of God in Marriage
1. He made them Man and Woman
2. God hate Divorce.
3. Moses allowed some deviation because of the hardness of the heart of people but from the beginning it was not so.

Even though Moses allowed Divorce, God hates it BUT I do not think that it is a direct Moral SIN and God has not changed His stance on Divorce till tomorrow.

Mal 2:16:
"The LORD, the God of Israel, says, “I hate divorce— and the covering of violence with one’s garment,” says the LORD of hosts. “Therefore guard your spirit, and do not act treacherously.”"

WriteerNg:

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Cheers to those who wanted to disarm the Iranian army but got their faces burnt.

You're lucky the US is well hidden behind 2 oceans. Imagine it was near Iran in the Middle East. You for see horror film.

That's to your shame as Ive never once even commented on the USA-Iran war.

But at l can confidently say that Trump the wannabe strongman Putin bit more than he could chew with Iran just like Putin bit more than he could chew with Ukraine.

Sorry!

WriteerNg:

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What propaganda?

That Russia has less external and internal debt than the US & Europe?

Its okay, at least you were honest enough!

Moscow had been burning in the last two days from Ukrainian Drones.
But of course, you wouldn't hear this news.

Cheers to those who wanted to disarm the Ukrainian Army!

BlackViper:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jun/18/iran-parastoo-ahmadi-74-lashes-singing-without-hijab

This people will NOT cease to amaze me about the disrespect they have for their God.

Their God says
Qur'an 2:256
لَآ إِكْرَاهَ فِى ٱلدِّينِ ۖ قَد تَّبَيَّنَ ٱلرُّشْدُ مِنَ ٱلْغَىِّ ۚ فَمَن يَكْفُرْ بِٱلطَّـٰغُوتِ وَيُؤْمِنۢ بِٱللَّهِ فَقَدِ ٱسْتَمْسَكَ بِٱلْعُرْوَةِ ٱلْوُثْقَىٰ لَا ٱنفِصَامَ لَهَا ۗ وَٱللَّهُ سَمِيعٌ عَلِيمٌ
English translation:
"Let there be no compulsion in religion, for the truth stands out clearly from falsehood. So whoever renounces false gods and believes in Allah has certainly grasped the firmest, unfailing hand-hold. And Allah is All-Hearing, All-Knowing."


But No!
The voice of Mohammed supercede that of Allah.

Sahih al-Bukhari 6922
Narrated `Ikrima:
Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to `Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn `Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ), 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"


This is the Warning to the Singing Girl: there is compulsion in ISLM

WriteerNg:

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Well that's impressive then, if that's all Russia is owing other countries (external debt). A measly $58 Billion.

Now compare that with the US & EU.

I don't need too.
I only need to show you when you have swallowed a propaganda without knowing as usual of you.

I don't care about EU or USA or NATO. For now, I care only about Ukraine.

WriteerNg:

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And you still too blind to read the other part that says Russia’s debt was $60 billion.

$62 billion and 58 billion, what's the difference? $4 billion.

Common sense no really common.

Abi u still dey wait for AI to do the thinking for you?

Your statement is not factually true as written.

The key discrepancy is that the $4.2 billion record decrease refers to Russia's external public (government) debt, not its total external debt.

Check!

WriteerNg:

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If you can read you'll see that your own results says Russia’s debt early this year was $62 billion.

My own post says it reduced to $58 billion. That is $4. 2 billion was removed.

Early this year could be January or February but my own post says April.

Go and fix your eyes.

According to your claim:

Is it factually true that Russia's external debt decreased by a record $4.2 billion in April.

The answer as you could see with no comments from me was NO!

Kaliningrad:
Russia's National Debt Decreases To $58 Billion In April (Photos)

🔗 Izvestia RU

I Asked Google AI the Question

Is it factually true that Russia's external debt decreased by a record $4.2 billion in April.

Since the Ukraine Russia war, how has the economic indices of Russia performed and the implications explained in layman's terms

Be Truthful


The responses are attached

Expanse2020:
We are destined to live on Earth as I stated the verse at the top hence we are here our right places
We are to be on earth and we are here
I hope I cleared or your doubt

Adam sinned he begged and God forgive him..
If I sinned I will beg and he will forgive me..

Nobody responsible for others sins

All you did was to avoid my questions and restate your position.

1. Who did Adam succeed if he is a khalifa?

2. Were the Angels WRONG about their claim (Yes or No)?

3. What else about this did Allah know that the Angels dont?

4. Allah did not teach the Angels the names of Animals but he expects them to know the answer!?

Is this a sensible question for measuring students cognition?

5. Is it UNTRUE that the reason Iblis is the enemy of Man is because Allah decieved him?

6. Is Iblis not the best Muslim the wouldn't commit shirk?

Expanse2020:
We are destined to live on Earth as I stated the verse at the top hence we are here our right places
We are to be on earth and we are here
I hope I cleared or your doubt

Adam sinned he begged and God forgive him..
If I sinned I will beg and he will forgive me..

Nobody responsible for others sins

All you did was point out several errors by Allah in your Qur'an.

Let me show you
1. In Qur'an 2:30:
“And when your Lord said to the angels, ‘Indeed, I will make upon the earth a vicegerent/khalifah(successor,..


Who did Adam succeed?
For a person to be a khalifa, there must be a caliphate before him.

2. Qur'an 2:30:
....,They said, 'Will You place upon it one who causes corruption therein and sheds blood, while we declare Your praise and sanctify You?' Allah said, 'Indeed, I know that which you do not know.'"

It seems the Angels were more knowledgeable than Allah as they were correct that Allahs creation will shed blood and cause corruption on the earth!

Were the Angels WRONG?

What else about this did Allah know that the Angels dont?

3. Then Allah gave the Angels a very silly exam that has no correlation with their concerns about Adam.

Quran 2:31
"And He taught Adam all the names, then showed them to the angels, saying: 'Inform Me of the names of these, if ye are truthful.'"

He did not teach the Angels the names of Animals but he expects them to know the answer!?

Is this a sensible question for measuring students cognition?

4. At least you admit that satan was the enemy of Adam and Eve who caused them to be driven out of paradise to the place of pain , bloodshed and corruption BECAUSE the violated Allahs command of not eating of the tree.
LOL!!
You even admitted that the earth is a place of enemity
Allah even caused enmities between them: things that do not happen in paradise! SMH!

It shows how messed up Islam is. Islam doesn't comprehend the spiritual truths of events.


5. Of course Allah destined that Iblis will tempt man and succeed as Iblis is the best Muslim who wouldn't commit shirk by bowing down to Adam.

It seems that Allah is indeed the first deceiver that decieved Iblis.

Qur'an 15:39
"[Iblis] said: 'O my Lord! Because You misled me, I shall indeed adorn the path of error for them (mankind) on the earth, and I shall mislead them all.'"


Is it UNTRUE that the reason Iblis is the enemy of Man is because Allah decieved him?


Qur'an 3:54
"And they schemed, and Allah schemed, and Allah is the best of deceivers"


See how warped SLM is!
Sorry!!

Expanse2020:
No
Father sin / father guilt are not proclaimed on son .
Everybody account for his sins. Ok
and that what bible also said that why I showed you the verse earlier..
The creation of Adam and his descendants (including us was said to have live here on earth initially that is our destiny not the guilty or punishment of Adam ... Adam was just a channel for us to be here) don't mixed it together..
Adam Sin on his own with her wife and also asked for forgiveness and he pardoned them also ..

Allah pardoned them and still chased them out of paradise a place of enjoyment to the earth a place of pain and death!?

Qur’an 2:36
“But Satan caused them to slip out of it and removed them from that [condition] in which they had been. And We said, ‘Go down, [all of you], as enemies to one another, and you will have upon the earth a place of settlement and provision for a time.’”

Allah even caused enmities between them: things that do not happen in paradise! SMH!

All Adams children/descendants as a consequence are trapped on this earth as ENEMIES because of this! Make it make sense!

Dtruthspeaker:
Scrutiny dictates that "By doubting we are led to question, by questioning we arrive at the truth". Peter Abelard

You already appreciate that i do not believe your view is right and therefore I have asked you questions on your view in which you say God gave David Saul's wives. And now i have pointed out that by your interpretation, in the second leg of that passage God gave David, the the men of Isreal and Judah too (homose things) and their wives for him to husband/wife them all.

And now that you see the second leg's interpretation contradicts you view on the first keg, you now seek to break your interpretation of that passage and depart from it, by moving post to plead different purposes.

This clearly proves that you are bending the passage according to your views. For the passage is already self explanatory and it's purposes are clear, which according to your interpretation, God gave David Saul's wives. the men of Isreal and Judah too (homose things) and their wives too.

So, after you have first given an interpretation to the passage, now the second leg of that passage points out that your interpretation of the first passage is wrong, you have now taken it upon yourself to divide and appropriate interpretations to them. A clear case of arbitrary selective judgement This is fraudulent and Wrong!

You can't interpret Akara as from beans and then say that moi moi is not from beans.

So, do you now see that you are very wrong and that the scripture does not support your view?

I hear you!

Expanse2020:
what if the verse were addressing people following Sodom and Gomorrah and you misquote it ..
The foundation is Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve




[i]ehen so na everybody automatically a sinner even the small a day, month baby that died too he don get sin and will end in hell be that[I/]

The son shall not bear the guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.”* – Ezekiel
This what the God of bible said
Why would Jesus responsible for my sin
Why would I be responsible for Adam sin
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So, tell me!
Why did Allah chase Adam and his unborn descendants out of paradise when only Adam and his wife ate from the tree!


Adams descendants are being punished for his sins!?

Dtruthspeaker:
By asking me this question, do you now see and agree that your opinion here is wrong? For clearly, you are saying that God David Saul's wives, the men of Isreal and Judah too (homose things) in addition to their wives which you now find it difficult to say.

If you agree that you are wrong, then i can proceed to answer the questions you asked, so that we are both sure of what is right. And right you think you are right and i am just want to make certain that you are right. But if you agree you are wrong, then we can both examine my views to see if me too I'm wrong or right

I other words, your questions was wrongly perceived.

In context each of these were given to David for different purposes.

However,
You seem only to respond to snippets of my posts. You avoid issues that conflict with your views. This isn't good!

Any solid Theology must stand up to scrutiny!