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Mattswaggz:
Are you a Muslim?. .

I am not a Muslim although, I almost converted into Islam at some point in my life but backed out after studying Islam thoroughly.
I am a Christian saved by the Grace in Christ Jesus.

LoneSoldier:
This is a question thrown to all, why do women cheat on good men?

You see them saying they want God fearing, gentle and hardworking men, but the slightest given chance they cheat on the said God fearing man which they once asked for.


So, why do women cheat on good men?

It's simple.

Women need security which is readily gotten from the good man.

However,
Women gravitate towards men with POWER.
The good man doesn't necessarily have power

Except the Woman has settled her relationship with her husband, it is difficult for her to resist advances from a Powerful man.

It's just basic feminine psychology!

Mattswaggz:
There goes the problem with u again....I said "Similar" not "exact" which I clarified earlier and you're still dragging the talk backwards.

Similar in the sense that the both preach that their beliefs system is the only way to eternal salvation....anything other than what they preach wouldn't make the cut.....same applies to certain Christian factions as well.

.How can they be similar when they are so vastly different?

It's like saying a Chicken and a Human being are similar! Does this make sense to you!?

BTW:
Only Christians teach that their WAY is the Only way to Paradise.

Muslims include among those who will enter paradise as Jews, Sabians and Christians apart from Muslims.
Quran 2:62
"Indeed, those who believed and those who were Jews or Christians or Sabians – whoever believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness – will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve."

Hindus don't have any paradise.

Mattswaggz:
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1. That what the teach is the way and/or the truth.

For Christians, Jesus Himself is the Way, Truth and Life

Mattswaggz:
2.Islam most especially and probably Hinduism though they don't share in it's entirety similar beliefs to the abrahamic one's.....and also different factions in Christianity that think they are different from the others.....I don't know if they should still fall under the wings of Christianity as some beliefs they preach are viewed by them as the very key to eternal salvation eg. Jehovah's witnesses and Seven days Adventists.

Islam doesn't take Mohammed as the way, truth or life as Christians. In fact, in Islam, Allah himself is ON this way.

Qur'an 11:56
"Indeed, I have relied upon Allah, my Lord and your Lord. There is no creature but that He holds its forelock. Indeed, my Lord (Allah) is on a straight path."

In Hinduism, there is no concept of the Way, Truth and Life to paradise as paradise doesn't exist in Hinduism, Reincarnation and ultimately Nirvana is their destination through different kinds of Yoga.


Even the most heretical Christian cult or organisation believe that JESUS is the Way, the Truth and Life.

There exist no other Religion in the universe where their God came and made himself a sacrifice for humanity that people should be saved apart from Christianity!

Mattswaggz:
What claims?....be specific.

Your claim

Mattswaggz:
Similar thing other religion folks told me regarding their own belief system. .

1. Those similar things specifically said to you
2. The religions in question that said the similar things

Mattswaggz:
Yep....and the problem stems from someone amongst the "anyone" saying the others are lying and they should be disregarded....only what he/she said is the truth without providing any of undisputable EVIDENCE to back it up.

I am more interested in your claims.

I will probably need to look them up as many religions exist in this world.

Over to you

Mattswaggz:
Is it that you don't understand English or what.....you don't know the difference between the word "Similar" and "Exactly"?.....if you do then tell me which one I used and if you don't then go and open ur dictionary for better understanding okay.

The point is , STATE YOUR CLAIMS !
All I did was to eliminate the obvious contenders for you

Mattswaggz:
Similar thing other religion folks told me regarding their own belief system. .

Anyone can claim anything sir

Mattswaggz:
Similar thing other religion folks told me regarding their own belief system. .

Can you please name the religions as it definitely isn't Islam or Judaism where a Personality is the Way, the Truth or the Life.

Waiting!!!

Truthseeker10:
So do you now agree that we need works to make our faith alive in other to be saved according to Ephesians 2:8 and James 2:26 if you are not a fraud?

Please quote where I insinuated that I am a proponent of salvation without faith.

Without this, there is no moving forward!
How will you tell such lies and convince yourself about it enough to argue with such conjectures?

It's easy: Quote my statements that suggest your manufactured position!

Truthseeker10:
You are also the proponents of salvation without faith which involves work. So answer the question below.


So if the thief had no works...how could he be saved through faith according to Ephesians 2:8 and James 2:26

Please quote exactly where I am the proponent of salvation without faith OTHERWISE consider this conversation a fraud!

Truthseeker10:
answer my question too because you were the ine that quoted Ephesians 2:8.

So if the thief had no works...how could he be saved through faith according to Ephesians 2:8 and James 2:26?

Sorry!
You forgot
Eph 2:9:
"not of works, lest anyone should boast."

You are the proponent of salvation by works not me. Thus, you must answer these questions

Luk 23:42-43:
"And he said to Jesus, Lord, remember me when You come into Your kingdom. And Jesus said to him, Truly I say to you, Today you shall be with Me in Paradise."

1. Was this thief saved?
2. What exactly was his works?

Truthseeker10:
So if the thief had no works...how could he be saved through faith according to Ephesians 2:8 and James 2:26?

Please answer my questions , you are the proponent of salvation by works

1. Was this thief saved?
2. What exactly was his works?

You are definitely not listening as your mind is made up!

Truthseeker10:
So do you now agree that we need works to be saved through faith?

Luk 23:42-43:
"And he said to Jesus, Lord, remember me when You come into Your kingdom. And Jesus said to him, Truly I say to you, Today you shall be with Me in Paradise."

1. Was this thief saved?
2. What exactly was his works?

Truthseeker10:
So If a person cannot be saved without faith in Christ, explain James 2:26.

King James Bible
For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Do you NOW agree that you are not listening as a full cup can never receive?

TenQ:
The explanation is simple!

1. Faith is NOT the same as Believing
2. Faith is Trust in the Integrity of God or a Personality that produces a Requisite Action.
Eg. Hebrews 11
By Faith Abraham (action)
By Faith Enoch (action)
By Faith Rehab (action)
By Faith Moses (action) etc

Believing is an Affirmation or otherwise of the Heart for a position for things where knowledge is not 100% perfect.
Eg.
I believe Jesus was Crucified on the Cross
I believe Jesus had 12 main Disciples.
I believe Nigeria will hold an election in 2027
I believe the Church in Nigeria will keep growing


So,
Jam 2:26:
"For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also."

James is saying that IF you CLAIM to have Faith BUT we CANNOT SEE the Requisite ACTION , then you CANNOT claim to have FAITH as your claimed FAITH does NOT EXIST (it is DEAD)

This is the meaning sir!

The second time in 7 minutes you will ask exactly the same question

You definitely are not listening as a full cup cannot be filled.

Truthseeker10:
what do you mean by spiritual body? Do spiritual bodies cool their tongues with water?

Your spiritual body is the union of your Soul and Spirit.
Your spiritual body is your state of Existence when you are disconnected from your bodies
Examples:
1. Moses and Elijah with Jesus at the mount of transfiguration
Mat 17:3:
"And behold, there appeared to them Moses and Elijah talking with Him."

2. Lazarus, Abraham and the Rich Man
Luk 16:23:
"And in hell he lifted up his eyes, being in torments, and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom."

3. At the 1000 year reign of Christ before the Resurrection of the Dead
Rev 20:4:
"And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And [I saw] the souls of those who had been beheaded for the witness of Jesus and for the Word of God, and who had not worshiped the beast nor his image, nor had received [his] mark on their foreheads, nor in their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years."
verse 5 tells us when the resurrection of the dead will take place.

Truthseeker10:
So where are they now since they've died without knowing Christ?

You are either in the Place of Abraham or the other place and prison called hell.

Hell is NOT the Lake of Fire.

Truthseeker10:
You quoted the verse below earlier.
Ephesians 2:8.

King James Bible
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God

Can we be saved without faith according to the verse above?

Did I ever claim that a person can be saved without FAITH in Christ?

I will like to see it and correct my errors if I said such.

Truthseeker10:
So you mean that people go to this prisons with their physical bodies? if not, tell me why the rich man was asking for water to cool his tongue?

A person goes to hell with his spiritual body.
A person goes to the Lake of Fire with both his physical and spiritual bodies

Truthseeker10:
So how come you are now deciding how God will Judge when Jesus made it clear that you cannot enter into the kingdom of God without being born again?

Did you anywhere here me speak for them as either seeing God or going to heaven or entering the kingdom of God!?

I did NOT state their position: I stayed that God will Judge them Righteously based on their conscience.



Even the Heathens have their Conscience given by God to know Right from Wrong
Rom 2:14-15:
"For when the nations, who do not have the Law, do by nature the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law unto themselves; who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and the thoughts between one another accusing or even excusing one another,"

The Judgement of those who know God's will but did not do it is more severe that those who do not know God's will
Luk 12:47-48:
"And that servant who knew his lord's will and did not prepare, nor did according to His will, shall be beaten with many [stripes]. But he not knowing, and doing [things] worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few [stripes]. For to whomever much is given, of him much shall be required. And to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more."

Irrespective of knowing God's will or not, EVERYONE will be judged by God.

Mat 12:36:
"But I say to you that every idle word, whatever men may speak, they shall give account of it in the day of judgment."

Heb 9:27:
"And as it is appointed to men once to die, but after this the judgment,"

Truthseeker10:
Explain James 2:26 below.
NIV
26As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.

The explanation is simple!

1. Faith is NOT the same as Believing
2. Faith is Trust in the Integrity of God or a Personality that produces a Requisite Action.
Eg. Hebrews 11
By Faith Abraham (action)
By Faith Enoch (action)
By Faith Rehab (action)
By Faith Moses (action) etc

Believing is an Affirmation or otherwise of the Heart for a position for things where knowledge is not 100% perfect.
Eg.
I believe Jesus was Crucified on the Cross
I believe Jesus had 12 main Disciples.
I believe Nigeria will hold an election in 2027
I believe the Church in Nigeria will keep growing


So,
Jam 2:26:
"For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also."

James is saying that IF you CLAIM to have Faith BUT we CANNOT SEE the Requisite ACTION , then you CANNOT claim to have FAITH as your claimed FAITH does NOT EXIST (it is DEAD)

This is the meaning sir!

Truthseeker10:
1)So according to your explanations, those who do not know Christ before they died are in prison? If yes, where is this prison?

You seem not to know that hell is a prison!?
Ask the Rich Man and he will tell you.
Luke 16

Truthseeker10:
2) are you saying that people can actually go to heaven without knowing Christ and that God will just Judge them with their conscience?

No, I never said that!
I only appealed to God's perfect justice, Wisdom and Righteousness that He knows how to judge their case.
Do you think God wouldn't know what to do with these ones who never heard?

Whatsoever a man sows, that he shall reap irrespective of whether he knows Jesus or not!

Gabrielshow24:
They can't answer, they will run away that's how they do. It's their Mo🥱.

Nice work. Keep exposing such lies!

Thanks my brother!

Before you know it, this thread is deleted.

Instead of thinking about the fact that a religion with so many flaws like this cannot be from God, they fight to defend the Al-Makr and the best human being on earth.

LOL

Lukuluku69:
The malady is back. Full swing.

What a nomenclature "malady".
Am I the undesirable condition causing suffering or trouble to you!?

My question again
As a Muslim, can you say that your salvation is guaranteed?

Is it UNTRUE that Allah himself is on this same path you are seeking?

Do not think that I forgot my question Mr Lukuluku69


Please do not flee as usual hoping to avoid my questions. You made a claim , please justify it if it's not another conjecture of Islam. This are EVENTS on Earth and not the unseen: surely, you must have an answer except it's just another Islamic baseless fable

According to you, Allah sent Messengers to the Yoruba race and these Messengers introduced the names Eledumare/Olodumare (depending on dialects), the Eleda (Creator) , Olu Orun/Olohun/Olorun etc to the Yoruba people.


So, according to the Yoruba, the some of the names of Messengers of Olodumare or Olorun or Eleda are Obatala or Esu Elegbara or Osun Osogbo or Ifa Olokun asorodayo

So, which one of these Messengers brought the Yoruba Name of Allah to the Yoruba race?

So, again:
So, was it Obatala or Esu Elegbara or Osun Osogbo or Ifa Olokun asorodayo that was the prophet or Messenger of Allah? If not, please mention the name of just one of these Messengers: that should not be difficult sir.

If you are correct, then indeed Allah is indeed the Taoheed (UNIFICATION) of 124,000 Deities or the Ahad (ONE OF) the Chief Deities. So, which is it?



Then please Respond:
Is the Allah of the Muslims and Islam the same Personality as the Yoruba Olorun or Yoruba Eleda or Yoruba Olorun or Yoruba Olodumare?

It's a YES or NO question sir!

Lukuluku69:
Why do you repeat the Lord's Prayer if the last one you recited has been answered?

Let us start from there.

In this manner pray!

Everything listed are daily needs.

You cannot be lost everyday day or even five times a day.

Secondly, the verses are not even supposed to be recited as prayers: they are GUIDES on how to pray.

Jesus said:
In this manner pray....

Lukuluku69:
Matthew 6:9-15 (KJV) After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

The Prayer above is it to be recited just once in a Christian life? Daily? Monthly? Annually?

The prayer here is not similar at all.

Satan tempts everyday, but you are lost, thus you have to pray
Quran 1:6
Guide us to the straight path.



Is it UNTRUE that Allah himself is on this same path you are seeking


Qur'an 11:56
"Indeed, I have relied upon Allah, my Lord and your Lord. There is no creature but that He holds its forelock. Indeed, my Lord is on a straight path."

Except you have no clue to what this path is!

If you are surely on the straight path already, there is no need praying to be on this path.

As a Muslim, can you say that your salvation is guaranteed?

Sterope:
You ask why Muslims pray to be guided to the straight path every day. But perhaps your real question should have been: why does anyone pray at all?

People pray for health, for success, for protection, or simply for strength to do what is right. In Islam, that daily prayer X 5 is a reminder that righteousness isn’t a fixed state because life isn't, and life is about continuous striving; it’s something you keep working towards. The Qur’an repeats that faith/righteousness is not words alone but consistent and continuos actions guided by sincerity and humility.

Muslims ask for guidance every day because we recognise how easily people can lose their way. Even believers, no matter how devout, can drift from truth without constant reflection and discipline. It is beyond repetition but a constant spiritual reminder that every choice, every moment, can either align us with truth or pull us away from it.

Interestingly, the your Bible carries a similar principle: “Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.” That line from the Lord’s Prayer mirrors the same human need for continuous guidance and moral steadiness as well.

Again, your question doesn’t surprise me. Debates with certain Christians are always revealing, they either ask questions that make you wonder whether they’ve truly read the Bible, or ones that sound more like the arguments of atheists like this question.

Satan tempts everyday isn't it?
But we are not lost everyday!

You probably do not understand the context of the guidance as it is revealed in verse 7
Quran 1:7
The path of those You have blessed, not of those against whom there is anger, nor of those who are misguided
It isn't daily guidance sir.


Truthfully answer these question:
1. Is the straight path not that which leads straight to Allah and subsequently paradise?
2. Would you admit that as a Muslim you are on a wrong path and thus, you need guidance to the right path?


For clarification of what the PATH is,

Is it UNTRUE that Allah himself is on this same path you are seeking


Qur'an 11:56
"Indeed, I have relied upon Allah, my Lord and your Lord. There is no creature but that He holds its forelock. Indeed, my Lord is on a straight path."

Except you have no clue to what this path is!

Lukuluku69
Antichristian
Sterope
Can you tell me why you pray this اهْدِنَا الصِّرَاطَ الْمُسْتَقِيمَ endlessly five times a day and till tomorrow, the prayer hasn't been answered?


Have you considered that your endless repeating of this unanswered prayer has a permanent solution if indeed you are serious about the prayer and it is not a mere repetition and rhetoric in the words

فَأَجَابَهُ يَسُوعُ: «أَنَا هُوَ الطَّرِيقُ وَالْحَقُّ وَالْحَيَاةُ. لَا يَأْتِي أَحَدٌ إِلَى الآبِ إِلّا بِي.

If this your request in prayer has been answered, why repeat it five times tomorrow?

Lukuluku69:
Lol

Deity don't set themselves up, adherents do. Just like the Nicene Creed set up your Jesus as a rival to the One that sent him. Are you that slow to know that?

The same way you don't know whether Jesus mission to the prison of Judgement was a success or a failure is the same way I don't know whether it is the Osun people or the Osugbo people that preached the name Eledumare.

Please do not flee as usual hoping to avoid my questions. You made a claim , please justify it if it's not another conjecture of Islam. This are EVENTS on Earth and not the unseen: surely, you must have an answer except it's just another Islamic baseless fable

According to you, Allah sent Messengers to the Yoruba race and these Messengers introduced the names Eledumare/Olodumare (depending on dialects), the Eleda (Creator) , Olu Orun/Olohun/Olorun etc to the Yoruba people.


So, according to the Yoruba, the some of the names of Messengers of Olodumare or Olorun or Eleda are Obatala or Esu Elegbara or Osun Osogbo or Ifa Olokun asorodayo

So, which one of these Messengers brought the Yoruba Name of Allah to the Yoruba race?

So, again:
So, was it Obatala or Esu Elegbara or Osun Osogbo or Ifa Olokun asorodayo that was the prophet or Messenger of Allah? If not, please mention the name of just one of these Messengers: that should not be difficult sir.

If you are correct, then indeed Allah is indeed the Taoheed (UNIFICATION) of 124,000 Deities or the Ahad (ONE OF) the Chief Deities. So, which is it?



Then please Respond:
Is the Allah of the Muslims and Islam the same Personality as the Yoruba Olorun or Yoruba Eleda or Yoruba Olorun or Yoruba Olodumare?

It's a YES or NO question sir!

Lukuluku69:
Before you go off the bend as usual, I never mentioned Obatala, Esu Odara, Osun Osogbo in my reply but move closer to the adherents of these people you referenced and ask them about who Eledumare/Olodumare is and learn from them. I am Yoruba, and I don't need any Osun Osogbo person/people to tell me who Eledumare is or who my Eleda (Creator) is.

So, feel free to write your usual stuff. That one no concern me.

LOL!
These DEITIES are secondary only to Olodumare or Olorun according to the Yoruba.
You don't know that one of these DEITIES would have brought the Names of Eledumare/Olodumare (depending on dialects), the Eleda (Creator) , Olu Orun/Olohun/Olorun etc to the Yoruba people.

So, again:
So, was it Obatala or Esu Elegbara or Osun Osogbo or Ifa Olokun asorodayo that was the prophet or Messenger of Allah? If not, please mention the name of just one of these Messengers: that should not be difficult sir.

If you are correct, then indeed Allah is indeed the Taoheed (UNIFICATION) of 124,000 Deities or the Ahad (ONE OF) the Chief Deities. So, which is it?

Then please Respond:
Is the Allah of the Muslims and Islam the same Personality as the Yoruba Olorun or Yoruba Eleda or Yoruba Olorun or Yoruba Olodumare?

It's a YES or NO question sir!

Lukuluku69:
And We have already sent messengers before you. Among them are those [whose stories] We have related to you, and among them are those [whose stories] We have not related to you. And it was not for any messenger to bring a sign [or verse] except by permission of Allah . So when the command of Allah comes, it will be concluded in truth, and the falsifiers will thereupon lose [all] Quran 40:78.

You want me to name the Prophets/Messengers sent to Africa? Read the above verse again. That said, I don't know the tribe you came from in Africa/Nigeria but I know that it was not the Arabs or Europeans that preached a Divine Being to the Yorubas and I have done a bit of research, what I found out is that, a certain Eledumare/Olodumare (depending on dialects) was preached, who is the Eleda (Creator) Olu Orun/Olohun/Olorun who is also the Supreme Being of the Host of Heaven.

I am sure when you research other tribes, someone must have preached the Divine being to them and they are not the Semites.

So, was it Obatala or Esu Elegbara or Osun Osogbo or Ifa Olokun asorodayo that was the prophet or Messenger of Allah? If not, please mention the name of just one of these Messengers: that should not be difficult sir.

If you are correct, then indeed Allah is indeed the Taoheed (UNIFICATION) of 124,000 Deities or the Ahad (ONE OF) the Chief Deities. So, which is it?

Is the Allah of the Muslims and Islam the same Personality as the Yoruba Eleda or Yoruba Olorun or Yoruba Olodumare?