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Dtruthspeaker:
Scrutiny dictates that "By doubting we are led to question, by questioning we arrive at the truth". Peter Abelard

You already appreciate that i do not believe your view is right and therefore I have asked you questions on your view in which you say God gave David Saul's wives. And now i have pointed out that by your interpretation, in the second leg of that passage God gave David, the the men of Isreal and Judah too (homose things) and their wives for him to husband/wife them all.

And now that you see the second leg's interpretation contradicts you view on the first keg, you now seek to break your interpretation of that passage and depart from it, by moving post to plead different purposes.

This clearly proves that you are bending the passage according to your views. For the passage is already self explanatory and it's purposes are clear, which according to your interpretation, God gave David Saul's wives. the men of Isreal and Judah too (homose things) and their wives too.

So, after you have first given an interpretation to the passage, now the second leg of that passage points out that your interpretation of the first passage is wrong, you have now taken it upon yourself to divide and appropriate interpretations to them. A clear case of arbitrary selective judgement This is fraudulent and Wrong!

You can't interpret Akara as from beans and then say that moi moi is not from beans.

So, do you now see that you are very wrong and that the scripture does not support your view?

I hear you!

Expanse2020:
what if the verse were addressing people following Sodom and Gomorrah and you misquote it ..
The foundation is Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve




[i]ehen so na everybody automatically a sinner even the small a day, month baby that died too he don get sin and will end in hell be that[I/]

The son shall not bear the guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.”* – Ezekiel
This what the God of bible said
Why would Jesus responsible for my sin
Why would I be responsible for Adam sin
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So, tell me!
Why did Allah chase Adam and his unborn descendants out of paradise when only Adam and his wife ate from the tree!


Adams descendants are being punished for his sins!?

Dtruthspeaker:
By asking me this question, do you now see and agree that your opinion here is wrong? For clearly, you are saying that God David Saul's wives, the men of Isreal and Judah too (homose things) in addition to their wives which you now find it difficult to say.

If you agree that you are wrong, then i can proceed to answer the questions you asked, so that we are both sure of what is right. And right you think you are right and i am just want to make certain that you are right. But if you agree you are wrong, then we can both examine my views to see if me too I'm wrong or right

I other words, your questions was wrongly perceived.

In context each of these were given to David for different purposes.

However,
You seem only to respond to snippets of my posts. You avoid issues that conflict with your views. This isn't good!

Any solid Theology must stand up to scrutiny!

AntiChristian:
No be everything be miracle. If you want to do miracles come follow me go Burial ground or Mortuary!

Hospitals plenty too wey get serious cases!

Jesus healed many that were not even Christians by today's standard!

Salvation is a miracle by God of converting a person with the nature of sin to one who is a Child of God!

Abudu cannot comprehend this!?

John 1:12-13:

"But as many as received Him, to them He gave power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God."

Sorry!
The heavens are joyful over this repentant sinner

Luk 15:7:
"I say to you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repents, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance."


Too bad, Abudu cannot comprehend this!

Expanse2020:
So Abraham fall to due to polygamy
Job fall too
Jacob fall too
Solomon fall too
Moses fall too right

Khai!
When spiritual IQ is at sub freezing temperatures!

The meaning is that The fall of Adam made all humans to have imperfect natures that does things outside God's perfect will.
This is why ALL humans with no exception are sinners by nature: just as like pigs by nature are prone to filth humans are prone to sin!
SMH!!


How many wives did God the originator of MARRIAGE give to Adam? Jesus returned us to that standard!

Mat 19:4-5:
"And he answered and said to them, Have you not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall join to his wife: and they two shall be one flesh?"

Dtruthspeaker:
Read it again it is not only Saul's wives he was given in that passage.

The passage expressly says that
"I gave your master's house to you, and your master's wives into your arms. i gave you the house of Israel and Judah."

So, by your understanding in the second attached leg of that passage, are you saying that even the men of Isreal and Judah too (homose) were given to David to wife or husband in addition to their wives, since God Said He even gave him their "house" also in addition to Saul's wife as you say?

I guess I should simplify it for you

For what purpose did God gave David
1. The House of Saul
2. The Kingdom of Saul (House of Israel)
3. The Wives of Saul?
etc


Secondly,
1. Exo 20:14:
"You shall not commit adultery."

If I understood you correctly,
You are saying that God condoned the sin of ADULTERY in the Old Testament!
Abraham, Jacob, David, Gideon etc


2. You should tell me why God did not address the sin of ADULTERY of the man with two wives here

Deu 21:15-17:
"If a man have two wives, one beloved, and another hated, and they have born him children, both the beloved and the hated; and if the firstborn son be hers that was hated: Then it shall be, when he makes his sons to inherit that which he has, that he may not make the son of the beloved firstborn before the son of the hated, which is indeed the firstborn: But he shall acknowledge the son of the hated for the firstborn, by giving him a double portion of all that he has: for he is the beginning of his strength; the right of the firstborn is his."

3. You seem not to know that there was even a law for the treatment and protection of Concubines in the Law of Moses for Isrealite Daughters sold as a servant to another Israelite.

Exodus 21:7-11 -
"If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as male servants do. If she does not please the master who has selected her for himself, he must let her be redeemed. He has no right to sell her to foreigners, because he has violated her. If he selects her for his son, he must treat her as a daughter. If he marries another woman, he must not decrease the first woman's food, clothing, or marital rights. If he does not provide her with these three things, she is to go free, without any payment of money."

In those days, people like David had 3 Concubines, Abraham had 1 concubine (Hagar),





Original Intent of God:
"According to Genesis 2:21-24, God's original intent was for marriage to be between one man and one woman, and that has never changed."

Christianity's View:
"Jesus Christ has restored the sacred institution of marriage to its original character, and concubinage is ranked with the sins of fornication and adultery."



Help me solve this problem
Alhaji Anti-christian with ALL his four wives got born again. He had married five times but divorced his first wife before marrying his last wife to maintain four wives. Each of his five wives have three children each.
They all come to your church and you are the pastor.

What is your Christ based advice
1. To Alhaji Anti-christian
2. To each of the current four wives
3. To the first wife.

Dtruthspeaker:
And as i asked the Muslim guy who raised it, so do you say that therefore by this statement David was given everybody's wife wife in Israel and Judah? If it was so, how then did God charge him for taking Uriah's wife, since you say that God gave him everybody's wife?

Wherefore hast thou despised the commandment of the Lord, to do evil in his sight?

Count 1) thou hast killed Uriah the Hittite with the sword,

Count 2) and hast taken his wife to be thy wife,

Count 3) and hast slain him with the sword of the children of Ammon.

I never said that God gave David everybody's wife but Saul's Wives.
I believe that God did NOT lie in saying that He gave Saul's Wives (plural) to David.
Uriah was ALIVE when David took his wife and then killed him BUT Saul was DEAD when David became King.



Let me give you a challenge:
1. Find me just ONE Sin in the New Testament that is NOT a sin in the Old Testament!

2. Find me just ONE Moral Sin in the Old Testament that is NOT a sin in the New Testament!



Except if all the Patriarch were in active sin and God was silent!

Dtruthspeaker:
Bros, you are wrong here. Polygamy is a sin because it contains adultery.

What you fail to appreciate is that is an old sin like prostitution is to women. That is why Genesis even tells us who was the first to break God's Law of one man,one wife which now even became the tradition of the world which God destroyed. A tradition people keep unwisely boasting in saying "its our custom and tradition/I'm a traditional man".

You fail to see that it is a sin because it is the old pagan idolism that you have been accustomed to.

It is not for nought that Genesis shows us who started the tradition of polygamy and to think that he is even a seed of Cain. Now, you see why Christ lineage came through Seth, the people who called on God!i This clearly shows us that God never created nor ordained polygamy.

Who was speaking to David here?
What did He give to David?

2 Samuel 12:8.
"I gave your master's house to you, and your master's wives into your arms. I gave you the house of Israel and Judah. And if that were not enough, I would have given you even more."

Is God a partaker of sin?

God's ideal plan did not include POLYGAMY!
God allowed polygamy in the olden times because of the frailties of men.

God will not ALLOW sin in any form.


Jesus came to RESTORE us the God's original order of Marriage.

A Christian will NOT be Polygamous even if its NOT a Sin.

However, an Unbeliever who was Polygamous need NOT divorce his Wives when he comes to Christ.


Explain why God allowed Solomon to be the successor of David seeing that (according to your thinking) he's a product of Adultery by the man after His heart.

Expanse2020:
So there is no direct way God said he banned or forbid polygamy
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Polygamy was instituted by man because he fell into sin through Adam.

Jesus returned us to the original plan of God for Marriage.

Some things were Allowed in the past because of the hardness of the hearts of human beings.

Example: WRT Divorce , Jesus said
Mat 19:8:
"He said to them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts allowed you to divorce your wives: but from the beginning it was not so."

Jesus explained why Divorce was ALLOWED by Moses and that it wasn't God's plan.

Your prophet went back to the outdated laws forgetting that God hates divorce.

Mal 2:16:
"For the LORD, the God of Israel, said that he hates divorce: for one covers violence with his garment, said the LORD of hosts: ..."

Same with POLYGAMY: its a relic of the FALL of Man through Adam and Eve.

AntiChristian:
She didn't cut out her Bobs away or has Jesus replaced the twin bobs too?

Anyone could achieve this without necessarily involving Jesus! And many have! The transgender illness is curable through therapy, conditioning and environmental changes.

It pained you abi!?

That a SINNER can repent through JESUS Christ!


Should you not at least rejoice with her that she's not doing suicide bombing of innocent souls?

Expanse2020:
You should check those with more than a wife in the bible with favour God bestowed on them and compare it someone with a wife and what God do with them
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You only rant but bring evidence where God abandon it you won't provide it...

Antiislam
Blackvsiper
Kobojonkies
TenQ

I agree with you

Does God Permit Polygamy in the New Testament?

1) Direct Answer
No. In the New Testament God calls us back to His original order: one man and one woman. Polygamy is not permitted for believers.

Jesus calls us to go back to the original standard

Mat 19:4-5:
"And he answered and said to them, Have you not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall join to his wife: and they two shall be one flesh?"


However, it may not be a SIN if a man has more than one wife based on the reason that a moral SIN in the NEW Testament remains a SIN in the OLD Testament.

Thus, a man who married five wives before coming to Christ is not obliged to DIVORCE ANY of his wives after his salvation.

Why?
Luk 16:18:
"Whoever puts away his wife, and marries another, commits adultery: and whoever marries her that is put away from her husband commits adultery."
Whoever married the divorced wife commit adultery against the man.

Application
1Cor 7:12-13,15,17-18:
"But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother has a wife that believes not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away. And the woman which has an husband that believes not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him. …
But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God has called us to peace. … But as God has distributed to every man, as the Lord has called every one, so let him walk. And so ordain I in all churches. Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised."

In other words, it is the unbelievers that are permitted to walk out of a marriage not the believer.


Shalom!

INJESUSNAME:
God bless you.
6. How can a man who sent out his men to raid passing caravans be a muslim,?

Thank you for adding this point.

Such a man is an Armed Robber and Terrorist!


And if he is the best Muslim, the OP has no argument!

AntiChristian:
You are the one deviating from the topic How Many Persons Of God Is The ONLY TRUE GOD?

Before I answer your Question, you should answer this question so that I know we are on the same page.

How many Qur'an of Allah is the TRUE Qur'an?

As far as I know, we have
1. The Qur'an in Paradise
2. We have the Hafs Qur'an
3. We have the Warsh Qur'an
4. We have the Qalum Qur'an etc
Or you can answer the Question
Which one of them is not the TRUE Qur'an?

If you can convincingly answer this question, we shall use exactly your convincing rule to answer your question.


Over to you!

AdisGlobal01:
SHE_NEEDS_YOUR_ADVICE

My wedding was scheduled for March this year, but everything changed after my fiancé's father passed away unexpectedly in November.

His funeral was held just three weeks later, in December. I genuinely wanted to attend, but there was one major problem: my employer had a strict policy against granting leave during the December holiday period. When I accepted the job, this condition was clearly stated. Despite explaining my situation and pleading for an exception, my request was denied.

I informed my fiancé immediately. At first, he appeared understanding. I even contributed financially to support the funeral arrangements.

Then his mother called.

She told me that if I truly wanted to become part of their family, I had to be physically present at her husband's funeral. I tried explaining my circumstances, but she ended the call before I could finish.

When I called my fiancé afterward, I expected him to stand by me. Instead, he asked:

"If it were your own father, wouldn't you find a way to attend?"

I explained that the situations were different because my employer might make an exception if it were my immediate family member.

That was when he dropped the bombshell:

"No presence. No wedding."

I thought grief was speaking. I thought time would calm him down.

I was wrong.

The wedding was officially cancelled.

My family tried everything to reconcile the situation, but his family refused every attempt. Eventually, my father advised me to accept the loss and move forward with my life.

It broke me, but I did.

Months passed.

Then, on May 20th, my ex-fiancé called me.

What he said left me speechless.

According to him, I had failed the test of being a good wife because I stopped trying to convince his family after the wedding was cancelled. He said a "real wife" would have kept begging until she was accepted.

Then he announced that he had "forgiven" me.

Not only that, he had already chosen a new wedding date in August and expected me to start preparing immediately.

As if the breakup had never happened.

As if my feelings didn't matter.

As if he alone had the authority to decide when a relationship ends—and when it resumes.

Without hesitation, I told him I was no longer interested.

His response shocked me even more.

He said:

"I'm not done. You don't have the right to be done."

I blocked his number immediately.

But that wasn't the end.

A few days later, he appeared at my father's house carrying the bride price and all the marriage items he had previously rejected.

My father told him clearly:

"My daughter has moved on. As far as this family is concerned, she is no longer available."

Still, he refused to accept it.

Since then, he and his mother have continued calling, visiting, and pressuring both me and my family despite my repeated refusal.

Now I'm beginning to wonder:

Is this really about love, or is there something deeper behind their sudden determination?

What troubles me most is the mindset that someone can cancel a wedding, disappear for months, return when it suits them, and expect another person to simply obey.

I am now considering legal action because the constant calls, visits, and refusal to respect my decision are becoming disturbing.

My question is:

If someone ends a relationship, then later decides to "forgive" you and resume the wedding without your consent, would you see that as love... or as a dangerous sense of entitlement?

What would you do if you were in my shoes?

RUN with all your STRENGTH!

geoworldedu:
The only way to curb terrorism is by ending all religions. Naturally 95% of terrorism will disappear with the extinction of religion, especially Islamic religion.

Also gullibility and scamming will reduce by 70% by the removal of religion, especially Christianity religion.

Every other stuff will fall in place as long as stiff rules are made to curb them and the world will be more peaceful.

Perfectly in agreement with your logic.

Like, when all human beings are ALL exterminated from the earth, all forms of crime will totally cease.

Kingsnairaland:
First answer the question I ask you because if you can understand the question I asked you then you can easily see how mind games works lol because you don't know how mind games or mind warfare works that why you ask things that is not the foundation of the substance

Kingsnairaland:
You are not ready because you are ashamed to accept we know the plans trump is doing and when trump found out that his good cop tactic did not work on putin he backed off and continued silent enemy tactics lol
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You go to bed your not at that level to see what we see or you think we can't see it lol

So, Rubio was telling lies with figures in agreement with Trump who so much adored Putin.


But, all Trump was doing was according to you the Good-Cop tactic.

Thank you!

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Kingsnairaland:
You can't force me or force the wise world to accept that Trump is pro putin.... Because you don't know what good cop and bad cop means

Now I want you to describe what cops do when they capture you one cop will be good to you the second cop will be bad to you now

Describe to us to me what this scenero means

Is Trump pro Zelensky or pro Ukraine?


So, was Rubio telling lies ?

WriteerNg:

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Answer his question. Stop beating around the bush.

Was Rubio telling lies?

Kingsnairaland:
This is always what those who lose war says they look for excuse to use

Napoleon said the cold was on the side of Russia... Hitler said Russia was throwing bodies like zombies on them....

Each failure excuses day by day
Just continue to find one excuse or another lol

Tell your children that trump was on putin side that why UK USA evil nato lost

Is it difficult to answer the question

The Question is:
Was Rubio telling lies?

Kingsnairaland:
When it comes to military to protect your nation all country's politicians tell lies to protect their nations so why would Rubio tell the truth on military warfare to lose to the enemy I should not even be telling you this secret codes because I assume you should know them already lol

You didn't answer my Question.

Trump is pro Putin and Rubio works for Trump


So, was Rubio telling lies?

Kingsnairaland:
Did you lend a voice to Iraq when it was been bullied by UK USA evil nato
Or to Libya..
Or to Cuba
Venezuela

You only remember Ukraine because you love the actual bully that claims to be earth police

Unfortunately for you Trump is on the side of Putin.


The Question is:

Was Rubio telling lies?

Kingsnairaland:
It shows you did not watch or read Vietnamese war tactics

What un Alived most French and USA military people in Vietnam in Vietnam is traps set by the people on the road

Same thing happened in Afghanistan IED

Ukraine have lot of mines traps on the road side so Russia can't just run forward without clearing this mines in the process of removing it drones are coming to greet you

Go check Ukraine map it is a big place to clear and Russia is burning the city one by one unless anger made you not to watch the video lol

Let's assume you are correct
The Question is:

Was Rubio telling lies?

Noneroone:
https://tribuneonlineng.com/oyo-abduction-muslim-community-faults-abductors-demand-on-sharia-says-terrorists-cant-speak-for-us/?fbclid=IwdGRjcASQlN1jbGNrBJCSsGV4dG4DYWVtAjExAHNydGMGYXBwX2lkDDM1MDY4NTUzMTcyOAABHhrVspW5doeMro_Q8OSxq023otEzkJGuz_EE4UuRS3TQzJMTKFyhe2IN6OJG_aem_ZcELLugu2cVFQrf2kgvRVQ

Muslims and Taqiyya (deception)
See the deliberate misinformation. The law was given to the Children of Israel not the Muslims

“In the Holy Qur’an, Chapter 3, verse 32, Almighty Allah says: ‘Therefore, We have ordained that he who slays a soul for spreading mischief on earth shall be as if he had slain all mankind, and he who saves a life shall be as if he had given life to all mankind. And indeed, again and again, did our messengers come to them with clear directives, yet many of them continue to commit excesses on earth.’

This below is the correct verse.
Qur'an 5:32
Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And Our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.



When would these people stop telling lies?

Watcharena:
But yet during exchange of casualties the figures speak for it self

One country is kiddddnaping it citizens to send them to battle field while the other country is not forcing anyone to fight

The man that ban negotiation with Putin is now looking for opportunity to meet Putin

We will see who is winning or loosing at the end of the war

If you believe the number of the exchange of casualties, then logically it is either
1. Ukraine has unlimited supply of soldiers even though their total population is just about 20% of Russian population.
2. Russian generals are completely incompetent, because at a casualty rate of 1000 Ukrainians to 30 Russians, they should have overrun Ukraine three years ago. But of course, this is almost five years and Russia is crawling.
3. Or you have been totally brainwashed by Russian propaganda that you cannot filter out the truth every when spoonfed with it.

Take your choice!





The Question is:

Was Rubio telling lies?

BlackfireX:
Everyday on this platform
We tenQ antislam Gabrielshow24 and others shouted and shouted to the dangers of Islam the fundamentalism

We were mocked banned threatened

Now is all before you.

How do you think Asia minor where the 7 churches of revelation were mentioned How they became Turkey 🇹🇷 a Muslim country with nearly no traces of Christianity

How do you think Northern Nigeria became moslem enclave ask uthman dan fodio who said Islam will reach South Nigeria

How do you think Northern Africa became arabanised and Islamic Islamised

How do you think mecca became Islamic

John 16 vs 2.

"...yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service."


To the naive Christains --- see the chaos around
To the good SW moslem---- the reality of your religion and founder

ISLM is an infection of the Soul from the father of lies himself.

They are like zombies: with no mind of their own other than that which had been installed by the malevolent entity that appeared in the cave 1400 years ago.

erniok:
The guy is a lost case but I quiet understand as they pay his bills. This is his full time job: to defend any nonsens3 putin spews out.

Once you attack Russia, you become the enemy as you want to take food off his table or why do you think he's here 247 with his Russian propaganda and disinformation.

They think anyone not in support of Putin must be in support of Trump and NATO!

Gullible Psychofans!