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Eviana:
Excuse me for interrupting your playful banter/mocking with Mr. lukuluku69. I would kindly address him also about something he said here, but as a Christian woman, I learned that I'm forbidden, since he is a Muslim.
I would, however like to speak to you for the silent true Christians (as you stated) who I'm sure not only came to the thread, but read it and commented....cough cough... me..Eviana
Who knows the countless "true" Christian guests who didn't sign in, but were just as intrigued as me--just by the title. This thread made the illustrious and coveted "front page" AND was listed in the Religion section. So should a Christian bypass this thread and go to the Sexuality section? I'm just sayin'.

If your logic (about "true" Christians NOT coming here) is true, then no "true" Christian is even be a member of Nairaland...since I was told repeatedly in the past and can see clearly, that Nairaland is definitely not a religious site...so stop my "preaching".
I've read tons of fantastical, unbelievable and outrageous threads on this site....many of which I've either commented on OR ignored. I don't hide....cause in the end, it is the Lord who judges my walk with Him and decides if I am "true". I actually like to use the word "sincere".

With all due respect, I think it extremely wise to not use judgment through such a broad stroke. You never know who's on this site....and for what.
Be blessed...

Thanks so much for your concern.

I actually read the post But I didn't comment Good or Bad even though I feel sincerely that this is NOT the way to find a Wife as a Christian.

If ALL the Women in the Church where you worship are not spiritual enough, what are you doing in that kind of church that produces ungodly women.

If your church is of Christ BUT ALL the women are not matured enough for you, I sense a big Mental or Spiritual problem.

A self righteous person would think he is the most righteous human being around.

What is wrong with this man asking God for Direction on where to find his wife. A Wife is usually found amongst the Brethren of the Man: since his brethren are not good enough, I doubt if there can be any one good for him

I see failed a marriage in the making.

Finally,
I didn't conclude that the man is NOT a Christian. I only asked the troll some questions

Who told you he's a Christian? Because he said so!? Is this how Christians find wives?!?

Of course true Christians would ignore the thread!

My best stance was to IGNORE the thread... Until the troll dragged me in.

Thanks sis!

Depriest2020:
Having strong case (evidence) is one thing, proving it before the judges is another thing.

The Nigerian Judiciary is NOT an independent arm of Government.

Don't be surprised with the use of technicalities.

Lukuluku69:
Of cos I know you for your usual rigmarole and twisted logic.

He claimed to be an Evangelist and part of what he is looking for is that the would be wife as an evangelist who will preach Christ but TENQ twisted logic says he is not a Christian. Beside, he said he has been looking inside the Church of your man-god but so far, he has met with DROSS.

So, help him. Christ told you to help your brother

I am winding your foolishness :
Who told you he's a Christian? Because he said so!? Is this how Christians find wives?!?
Of course true Christians would ignore the thread!

The case is extremely simple:
You called me to this didn't you?
You are the one who is soliciting for Wife for a fellow man like you not me . Contact him and give him your conditions.

Lukuluku69:
I called you to help your brethren. Didn't Christ teach you to be your brother's keeper? Are his Teachings lost on you Mr. Reprobate?

He is a Kaffir and I can't give him a Muslim. You are a Christian help him out with the ones that are not DROSS.

How hard is that? If he were to be a Muslim, I know what to do.

Help your brethren and save him from Dross.

Who told you he's a Christian? Because he said so!? Is this how Christians find wives?!?
Of course true Christians would ignore the thread!

The case is extremely simple:
You called me to this didn't you?
You are the one who is soliciting for Wife for a fellow man like you not me . Contact him and give him your conditions.

Lukuluku69:
Lol

Very early with the abuse today. What happened? Sorry o.

So, Yahweh was just kidding around when he Divorce Israel and gave a Divorce Bill?

He was also kidding when he made Moses gave those Laws?

Continue o.

Meanwhile help that brethren of your who sees most Ladies in the Church of Christ a DROSS.

Another foolishness: parable is kidding about!?

Grow up!

Akinpedia:
In Nigeria, civil servants traditionally retire at the age of 60. However, there has been a growing trend among civil servants to seek retirement at the age of 65 instead. While this may seem like a personal choice for individuals, it has significant negative effects on the Nigerian economy and the functioning of public institutions.

Let's explore the adverse consequences of civil servants seeking retirement at the age of 65 and the potential solutions to mitigate these challenges.

Decreased Efficiency and Productivity

One of the primary negative effects of civil servants seeking retirement at age 65 is the decline in efficiency and productivity within public institutions. As individuals approach retirement age, their motivation and energy levels tend to diminish.

This can result in reduced work output, increased absenteeism, and a lack of enthusiasm for carrying out responsibilities. Consequently, the overall efficiency and effectiveness of public services suffer, negatively impacting the Nigerian population.

Hindered Generational Shift and Skill Gap

By extending the retirement age to 65, the natural process of generational shift within the civil service is hindered. Younger, talented individuals who are eager to contribute their skills and fresh perspectives are held back by the prolonged presence of older civil servants.

This creates a skill gap, as experienced workers who could have mentored and trained the next generation are still occupying crucial positions. The delay in transitioning leadership roles to a younger workforce hampers innovation and stifles progress within public institutions.

Increased Financial Burden on the Government

Retirement benefits and pension payments place a considerable financial burden on the Nigerian government. By allowing civil servants to retire at age 65 instead of 60, the government has to bear the cost of providing additional years of retirement benefits.

This strains the already stretched public finance system, diverting resources that could have been invested in crucial sectors such as healthcare, education, and infrastructure development. It also contributes to the pension liabilities of the government, potentially leading to fiscal challenges in the long run.

Limited Opportunities for Unemployed Youth

Nigeria faces a high youth unemployment rate, with many graduates struggling to find suitable employment opportunities. Extending the retirement age for civil servants exacerbates this problem by reducing job openings within the civil service. Young graduates who aspire to work in the public sector are faced with limited opportunities due to the prolonged tenure of older civil servants. This imbalance creates frustration and disillusionment among the youth, potentially leading to social unrest and an overall decline in national productivity.

While it is understandable that civil servants may desire to extend their working years for personal reasons, the negative effects of seeking retirement at age 65 in Nigeria cannot be ignored. From decreased efficiency and productivity to hindering generational shifts, the consequences are far-reaching and detrimental to the Nigerian economy and public institutions.

It is essential for the government to carefully assess and address these challenges by implementing effective policies, such as encouraging early retirement incentives and creating opportunities for young talent to thrive. By striking a balance between the needs of retiring civil servants and the overall well-being of the nation, Nigeria can achieve a more sustainable and efficient civil service system.

If only your Government made Retirement a time to look forward to, there would have been no problem.

Retirement is when a person who used to earn N300k per month get paid N60k at retirement. Tell me why such should think of retiring?

Is it to his benefit or your own benefit for a civil servant to retire?

Lukuluku69:
You and your twist logic Sha.

He is a Christian: your own brethren and looking for a CHRISTIAN WIFE.

Logic and common sense says: Direct him to another Christian who might know where good Christian Ladies are. He has been looking in the Church of Christ and so far, they are all DROSS.

Reach out and help him nah

You called me to this didn't you?
You are the one who is soliciting for Wife for a fellow man like you not me . Contact him and give him your conditions.

Lukuluku69:
Jeremiah 3:8 (KJV) And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.

Yahweh hate Divorce yet Yahweh DIVORCED Israel and gave her a BILL OF DIVORCE?

Yahweh hate Divorce yet Yahweh gave LAWS to regulate it amongst his Children?

Just dey play o

No amount of hate will turn lies into the Truth bro!
When ignorance and self delusion wouldn't allow a grown up man to know the meaning of parable!

Please visit your doctor : you've missed your drugs for too long.

Lukuluku69:
[b]Deuteronomy 24:1 (KJV) When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house.

Deuteronomy 24:3-4 (KJV) And if the latter husband hate her, and write her a bill of divorcement, and giveth it in her hand, and sendeth her out of his house; or if the latter husband die, which took her to be his wife;
Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that is abomination before the LORD: and thou shalt not cause the land to sin, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.

Jeremiah 3:8-10 (KJV) And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.
And it came to pass through the lightness of her whoredom, that she defiled the land, and committed adultery with stones and with stocks.
And yet for all this her treacherous sister Judah hath not turned unto me with her whole heart, but feignedly, saith the LORD.[/b]

Yahweh endorses divorce. Just as Yahweh told Moses and those Reprobates to write them a Divorce Letter ànd hand it to their wives.

Even your Yahweh divorced too. Yahweh DIVORCED ISRAEL lol. Who Yahweh come marry to now and Yahweh write letter give Israel? Abi Yahweh is home alone?

When your ignorance is beyond limit,

Hear what Jesus said:
Moses Gave the children of Israel the law of Divorce not God because of the hardness of the hearts of the Jews.

Mat 5:31-32:
"It has been said, Whoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorce: But I say to you, That whoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causes her to commit adultery: and whoever shall marry her that is divorced commits adultery."

Mat 19:3,7-9:
"The Pharisees also came to him, tempting him, and saying to him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause? … They say to him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorce, and to put her away? He said to them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so. And I say to you, Whoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, commits adultery: and whoever marries her which is put away does commit adultery."

What did the God of Abraham says:

Mal 2:16:
"The LORD, the God of Israel, says, "I hate divorce and the covering of violence with one's garment," says the LORD of hosts. "Therefore guard your spirit, and do not act treacherously.""

Tell me,
Do you think it makes sense to enjoy orgasm from another man before a woman can legally return to the husband who rashfully divorced her?

Waiting!

Lukuluku69:
The man is a Kafir! The Quran says Kafir should marry Kafir. Especially a Male Kafir should marry rom his ilks. Even if I divorce wifey, she is a Musluma. She can't do Kafir.

So, help your Brother here. Point him to where he can get a wife for he says ALL that he has encountered inside the Church of Christ are DROSS.

You are the one who is soliciting for Wife for a fellow man like you not me. Contact him and give him your conditions.
You don't know if that will convert him to Islam and your wife may want to taste another orgasm before returning to you.

Lukuluku69:
Lol

Your Christian Born again brother say Most of your Christian Women are Dross. Dredges!!!!

The Holy Spirit is useless in their Lives.

What a shame.

When are you going to tell your wife for the third time "I divorce you"!
The man need a wife from you!


Only remember that you wife cannot come back to you until she has enjoyed her orgasm from having sex with the man o!

honesttalk21:
The Spirit: Gabriel, who has been mentioned separately from the angels in view of his unique eminence, honor and merit.

Obviously you know who Gabriel (Jibril) is but the mischief in you bothers you.

No sir!
Are Angels Spirits or Light?


Gabriel is an Angel. Therefore according to the Qur'an and the Hadith, he cannot be a spirit.

1. What is a Spirit? (as it is a living being)

2. Can you find Just one place where Allah Spoke Directly to Mohammed ?

3. If you Muslims don't know what a spirit is, how can Islam be called spiritual?

honesttalk21:
Where was Jesus given the throne of David?

Its obvious you didn't read ANYTHING about what I wrote. Please go back and read.

Israel never had a king since 586 BC and will not till the last days!

Except if your argument is that Jesus is NOT the Messiah!

Is it true that Jesus IS the Messiah contrary to the Jews interpretation?

honesttalk21:
I am informing you that of التي قد أمنحها ( alati qad 'amnahuha) isn't a part of that verse.

Jibril ra can not bestow or create anything.

The question was not the impossibility of Jibril bestowing a child. The Question is about What Allah said in the Qur'an!

According to Allah in the Qur'an Who is the one claiming to BESTOW on Mary a Child?

Here is the verse again:

Qur'an 19:19
قَالَ إِنَّمَآ أَنَا۠ رَسُولُ رَبِّكِ لِأَهَبَ لَكِ غُلَٰمٗا زَكِيّٗا

The verse is ststed up here!

honesttalk21:
التي قد أمنحها is not in that verse.

Qur'an 19:19
قَالَ إِنَّمَآ أَنَا۠ رَسُولُ رَبِّكِ لِأَهَبَ لَكِ غُلَٰمٗا زَكِيّٗا

honesttalk21:
Translation of التي قد أمنحها ( alati qad 'amnahuha) is that I may bestow

You did not answer my question


I said: your translation above is correct

You said: Translation of التي قد أمنحها ( alati qad 'amnahuha) is that I may bestow

Quran 19:16-19
19. He said: I am only a messenger of thy Lord, that I may bestow on thee a faultless son.



The question is :
According to the Qur'an, who is Doing the BESTOWING?


Is it Allah or Jibril (if we believe Islamic Narrative)?

honesttalk21:
Not all inferences are correct.

Tafsir means explanation.
SURAH QADR verse 4
تَنَزَّلُ ٱلۡمَلَـٰٓئِكَةُ وَٱلرُّوحُ فِيهَا بِإِذۡنِ رَبِّهِم مِّن كُلِّ أَمۡرٖ
Tanaz zalul malaa-ikatu war roohu feeha bi izni-rab bihim min kulli amr
ENGLISH TRANSLATION
SAHIH INTERNATIONAL
The angels and the Spirit descend therein by permission of their Lord for every matter.

YUSUF ALI
Therein come down the angels and the Spirit by Allah’s permission, on every errand:

ABUL ALA MAUDUDI
The angels along with the Spirit descend in it by the permission of their Lord with all kinds of decrees.

MUHSIN KHAN
Therein descend the angels and the Ruh [Jibrael (Gabriel)] by Allah’s Permission with all Decrees,

PICKTHALL
The angels and the Spirit descend therein, by the permission of their Lord, with all decrees.

DR. GHALI
The Angels and the Spirit keep coming down therein, by the permission of their Lord, with (Literally: from) every Command.

ABDEL HALEEM
on that night the angels and the Spirit descend again and again with their Lord’s permission on every task;

ALA-MAUDUDI
(97:4) The angels along with the Spirit descend in it by the permission of their Lord[4] with all kinds of decrees.

The Spirit: Gabriel, who has been mentioned separately from the angels in view of his unique eminence, honor and merit.

Angel do not descend of their own accord but by leave of their Lord (Allah)

All these verses of the Qur'an prove that Angels and Spirits are NOT the same.

Islam is actually confused and misled to not knowing what a spirit is. Like I said: there is not one single Qur'an which states that Angels are spirits.

In Islam, we now have Humans, Angels, Jinn and Spirit as classes of creations with the Spirit unknown!

When the Jews asked Mohammed the question about the Spirit, if the Spirit was Jibril, Don't you think an easy answer would be:
The Spirit is Angel Jibril

But the Spirit is NOT Jibril. Mohammed didn't know what a spirit is!



1. What is a Spirit? (as it is a living being)


2. Can you find Just one place where Allah Spoke Directly to Mohammed ?

3. If you Muslims don't know what a spirit is, how can Islam be called spiritual?

honesttalk21:
I however need clarification on Luke 1:32

He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David

I am not aware of Jesus ascending the throne of David. Also David is not the father of Jesus.
Is the gospel according to Luke false?

There are two parts to this
1. Jesus will be called the Son of God
2. Jesus will be a king from the linage of David called the Messiah according to the prophecy of David in Psalm 2:1-12 and Zephaniah 3:5-20 where at the end of the world, the Kingdom is restored to Israel and the world judged.

Jesus is a descendant of David and Solomon both from the side of Mary AND the side of Joseph. David had been dead for approximately 1030 before Jesus was Born.
It's the same context where the Jews say "Abraham is our Father"
John 8:39:
"They answered and said to him, Abraham is our father. Jesus said to them, If you were Abraham's children, you would do the works of Abraham."


The Messiah (literally the anointed one') is a saviour or liberator of Israel. He is also referred to as Melekh Mashiach (king Messiah). The Hebrew "Messiah" is the word translated in Greek as "Christ"!

Obviousness, the Jews REJECTED Jesus as their Messiah and that is why we ask you Muslims the Question :
Why would the Jews Kill their Messiah (Saviour) and boast about it according to the claim of Allah in the Qur'an?

Qur'an 4:157
And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain

Is Jesus the Messiah? If Yes, then:
Only a person who didn't know that the salvation of the Jews lies with the Messiah will make this statement.

According to Christians, Jesus will be the King of Israel literally during the time of the end of the world as His first coming was to be a suffering Servant. The Messiah was prophesied to be both a Suffering Servant and a King. The difference is that the Jews ONLY look at prophecies of His kingship while the Christians in addition look at prophecies of His suffering.

Luk 24:46-47:
"And said to them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem."

Lukuluku69:
TENQ, Advocatejare, Mightysparrow come and help one of you to search for a wife. According to him non dey for inside Church despite the effusion of the Holy Spirit/Ghost.

Since Allah doesn't mind Divorce, you may divorce you wife for the OP.

By tomorrow, the OP would have a wife!
Shikenan!

honesttalk21:
زَكِيًّا zakiyan means pure, upright however I note your preference for faultless.
Only Allah is faultless and your bible in Mark 10:18 states And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Even though
Upright and Faultless are synonyms and English translations mostly use pure or faultless or upright


I have no problem with the use of either Pure or Faultless.The meaning of the verse is not adversely affected

honesttalk21:
Translation of التي قد أمنحها ( alati qad 'amnahuha) is that I may bestow

And you are correct.

Quran 19:16-19
19. He said: I am only a messenger of thy Lord, that I may bestow on thee a faultless son.



The question is :
According to the Qur'an, who is Doing the BESTOWING?


Is it Allah or Jibril (if we believe Islamic Narrative)?

honesttalk21:
Look through translations of this verse in other translations of the meaning of the Quran.

لِأَهَبَ (li-ahaba) has English meanings from Wouldn't buy, I'd give, to give, ignite, burning etc.

You translate and ignore رَبِّكِ rabbika (from your lord) who is the one that has the power to create.

Look up Tafsir 97:4

Sayyidna Anas ؓ narrates that the Messenger of Allah ﷺ said: "When the Night of Qadr occurs, Jibra'il (علیہ السلام) descends on the earth with a huge throng of angels and all of them pray for every servant of Allah, man or woman, busy in salah or dhikr, to be blessed by Allah.
Jibril is referred to as Ruh or ruh ul Qudus

Your Tafsir didn't say Jibril is Ruh even though this is untraceable.

Are you saying that we should we trust the Tafsir above the Qur'an?

None of the Translation of Li-ahaba has anything to do with the preferences of your translations of the Qur'an such as NEWS or ANNOUNCE as they would want us to believe.

It has to do with GIVING or BESTOWING

honesttalk21:
Allah is the creator and sustainer of all.

This is not the point of contention today

honesttalk21:
SAHIH INTERNATIONAL
And they ask you, [O Muhammad], about the soul. Say, “The soul is of the affair of my Lord. And mankind have not been given of knowledge except a little.”
See translations of 17:85

The Jews were not asking about the Soul but Spirit(Ruh) .

honesttalk21:
YUSUF ALI
They ask thee concerning the Spirit (of inspiration). Say: “The Spirit (cometh) by command of my Lord: of knowledge it is only a little that is communicated to you, (O men!)”

Diluted the Spirit by ADDING of inspiration

honesttalk21:
ABUL ALA MAUDUDI
They ask you about “the spirit”. Say: “The spirit descends by the command of my Lord, but you have been given only a little knowledge.”

What Spirit descends?

honesttalk21:
MUHSIN KHAN
And they ask you (O Muhammad SAW) concerning the Ruh (the Spirit); Say: “The Ruh (the Spirit): it is one of the things, the knowledge of which is only with my Lord. And of knowledge, you (mankind) have been given only a little.”

Don't you think an easy answer would be:
The Spirit is Angel Jibril

honesttalk21:
Like said before the meaning of arabic words are associated with use in the sentence.
The Quran introduces the term ‘spirit’ (al-ruh) to encompass a set of non-material truths that have not been created in this world but instead originate from a higher realm and a more sublime universe. Among these matters is the human spirit, as Allah says in Quran 15:29 When I have completed shaping him and have breathed into him of My Spirit ( in respect of the creation of Adam)

Quran 78:38 refers to Angel Gabriel and other angels

Brb

No Sir!

What we can infer from the Qur'an is that
1. The Spirit is a Living Being
2. The Spirit is not an Angel
3. The Spirit Created Jesus.


Mohammeds confusion is that he doesn't know that God Himself is the Holy Spirit (according to the Jews and Christians).

Interestingly, the Question of the Jews to Mohammed was a theological Question they were debating about. They believed that real Prophets of God related directly with God's Spirit while non-prophets can relate with either Angels or just by inspiration. If Mohammed was a real prophet, he must know about the Spirit of God.

Unfortunately, your prophet failed the question: and the Jews henceforth made fun of him.

Thus the hatered of Mohammed against the Jews multiplied tremendously.








Let me give you an example of how God speaks to the Prophets
Gen 13:14: "And the LORD said to Abram , after that Lot was separated from him, Lift up now your eyes, and look from the place where you are northward, and southward, and eastward, and westward:"

Exo 4:4: "And the LORD said to Moses, Put forth your hand, and take it by the tail. And he put forth his hand, and caught it, and it became a rod in his hand:"

Exo 4:27: "And the LORD said to Aaron, Go into the wilderness to meet Moses. And he went, and met him in the mount of God, and kissed him."

Josh 5:9: "And the LORD said to Joshua, This day have I rolled away the reproach of Egypt from off you. Why the name of the place is called Gilgal to this day."

Judg 7:2: "And the LORD said to Gideon, The people that are with you are too many for me to give the Midianites into their hands, lest Israel vaunt themselves against me, saying, My own hand has saved me."

1Sam 3:11: "And the LORD said to Samuel, Behold, I will do a thing in Israel, at which both the ears of every one that hears it shall tingle."

There are countless EXAMPLES where God Spoke DIRECTLY to His Prophets.

Qur'an 45:16
And verily we gave the Children of Israel the Scripture and the Command and the Prophethood, and provided them with good things and favoured them above (all) peoples;
Do you Not think that the Children of Israel should know about signs of Prophethood than any other people on the face of the earth.


This is the problem of your prophet Muhammad! Can you find one place where Allah Spoke Directly to Mohammed?

Do you know why the Quran says
Quran 17:85
that it is from the command of my Allah. And from the knowledge you are given only a little.

Because the Spirit is NOT Jibril. Mohammed didn't know the answer

honesttalk21:
About the spirit you ask, it's stated in the Quran 17:85 that it is from the command of my Allah. And from the knowledge you are given only a little.

Since the angels are spiritual beings, they are also called ruh. The angel Jibreel (Gabriel) – who is the Angel of revelation and used to bring revelation to Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon them both) is called in the Qur’an, Ar-Ruh.

Jesus’ birth took place in a miraculous way. His mother Maryam (may peace be upon her) was a virgin. Allah sent the Angel Gabriel to her who gave her news that she will bear a child by the Command of Allah in a miraculous way.

Angels are NEVER called Ruh in Islam. If you have any proof, I'm willing to learn.

I will prove it clearly that Jibril is NOT the Spirit.

From the Qur'an
Quran 78:38
The Day that the Spirit and the Angels will stand in rows, they will not speak except for one whom the Most Merciful permits, and he will say what is correct.
Qur'an 97:4
The Angels and the Spirit descend therein, by the permission of their Lord, with all decrees.

From the Hadiths :

Sunan an-Nasa'i 1048: Book 12, Hadith 20
It was narrated that Aishah said:
"The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) used to say when bowing: 'Subbuhun Quddusun Rabbul-mala'ikati war-ruh (Perfect, Most Holy, is the Lord of the angels and the spirit ).'"

Sahih Muslim 487a: Book 4, Hadith 253
'A'isha reported that the Messenger of Allah (may peace he upon him) used to pronounce while bowing and prostrating himself:
All Glorious, All Holy, Lord of the Angels and the Spirit.

Showing that Just as Allah is the Lord of Man, angels and Jinns, he is also the Lord of the Spirit


Note:
In the two hadiths, the word Spirit is SINGULAR



How?
1. Is Jibril NOT an Angel?
2. If Jibril is an Angel, then the verses above become meaningless

honesttalk21:
Translations of the meaning of Quran 19:19
Mohsin Khan: (The angel) said: "I am only a Messenger from your Lord, (to announce) to you the gift of a righteous son."

Sahih International: He said, "I am only the messenger of your Lord to give you [news of] a pure boy."

Yusuf Ali: He said: "Nay, I am only a messenger from thy Lord, (to announce) to thee the gift of a holy son.

No sir!
These your translations are lying.

What does the Arabic word لِأَهَبَ (li-ahaba) mean?

Is it not: " that I (may) bestow on "

I only ask you with humiliaty to check.


Here is it again both in Arabic and in English


Quran 19:16-19
وَٱذْكُرْ فِى ٱلْكِتَـٰبِ مَرْيَمَ إِذِ ٱنتَبَذَتْ مِنْ أَهْلِهَا مَكَانًۭا شَرْقِيًّۭا ١٦ فَٱتَّخَذَتْ مِن دُونِهِمْ حِجَابًۭا فَأَرْسَلْنَآ إِلَيْهَا رُوحَنَا فَتَمَثَّلَ لَهَا بَشَرًۭا سَوِيًّۭا ١٧ قَالَتْ إِنِّىٓ أَعُوذُ بِٱلرَّحْمَـٰنِ مِنكَ إِن كُنتَ تَقِيًّۭا ١٨ قَالَ إِنَّمَآ أَنَا۠ رَسُولُ رَبِّكِ لِأَهَبَ لَكِ غُلَـٰمًۭا زَكِيًّۭا ١٩
Quran 19:16-19
16. And make mention of Mary in the Scripture, when she had withdrawn from her people to a chamber looking East, 17. And had chosen seclusion from them. Then We sent unto her Our Spirit and it assumed for her the likeness of a perfect man. 18. She said: Lo! I seek refuge in the Beneficent One from thee, if thou art Allah-fearing. 19. He said: I am only a messenger of thy Lord, that I may bestow on thee a faultless son.



There is NOTHING like
News or Announce in the verse

What we see is " that I (may) bestow on "

If your Islamic Narrative is correct, Jibril is the one BESTOWING a son to Mary

gaskiyamagana:
If not pointed out you will continue to attribute evil to Islam and Muslims. Some of you who have not read this are many on NairaLand and we will be silencing them with this from the Bible, one by one like you have been cornered.

Is Islam not EVIL?
Any religion that lead people to hell is evil.
Is Mohammed not EVIL?
Any man that can take over the wife of his adopted son is Evil!


Allah is certainly NOT Yahweh!
Allah support and condone SIN!

I don't despise Muslims. Muslims are human beings created in God's image.

honesttalk21:
You have in your Luke of the Bible.


30 The angel told her,
“Don’t be afraid, Mary. You have found favor [a] with God.
31 You will become pregnant, give birth to a son,
and name him Jesus.
32 He will be a great man
and will be called the Son of the Most High.
The Lord God will give him
the throne of his ancestor David.
33 Your son will be king of Jacob’s people forever,
and his kingdom will never end.”
34 Mary asked the angel, “How can this be? I’m a virgin.”

Maybe you can provide the Hebrew or Aramaic text for these verses with translations

What specific do you want it's translation?

Luke 1:26-35 is simple
1. Mary is introduced as living in Nazareth a city of Galilee espoused to a man named Joseph from the clan of David.
2. The Angel came to Mary to deliver to her the message that she would be pregnant and would give birth to a Son whose name should be called JESUS.
3. And Jesus would be called the Son of God and he would have the Throne of David (Messiah)
4. Mary tells the Angel that this is impossible because she was a Virgin
5. The Angel explains How it will be (NOT by Him) but by the God Himself.
Luk 1:35:
"And the angel answered and said to her, The Holy Spirit shall come on you, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow you: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of you shall be called the Son of God."

Mohammed heard this story but he didn't understand nor ask Questions : thus he muddled it up.

According to Luke 1:35,
It is impossible for one muddle up the identity of Gabriel and the Holy Spirit.

Gabriel was simply saying to Mary:
That impossible thing will be done by God Himself not Him. Gabriel was just a messenger!

John 4:24:
"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."


Unfortunately, Mohammed muddled up An Angel with God's Spirit.



What is a Spirit in ISLAM?

honesttalk21:
As drlateef asked do you lack understanding?
Jibril appeared to Mary in the form of a man to inform her of what will/is happening?

If she discovered she was suddenly with child
would you have preferred more confusion.
Is the imperfection in language translation a problem or is it that the Quran is still in the original language of revelation that is the problem?

"And Maryam (Mary), the daughter of ‘Imran who guarded her chastity; and We breathed into (the sleeve of her shirt or her garment) through Our Ruh [i.e. Jibrael (Gabriel)], and she testified to the truth of the Words of her Lord [i.e. believed in the Words of Allah: “Be!” and he was; that is ‘Iesa (Jesus) – son of Maryam (Mary); as a Messenger of Allah], and (also believed in) His Scriptures, and she was of the Qanitin (i.e. obedient to Allah)".
Q16:12 (Muhsin Khan)

Quran 19:16-19
16. And make mention of Mary in the Scripture, when she had withdrawn from her people to a chamber looking East, 17. And had chosen seclusion from them. Then We sent unto her Our Spirit and it assumed for her the likeness of a perfect man. 18. She said: Lo! I seek refuge in the Beneficent One from thee, if thou art Allah-fearing. 19. He said: I am only a messenger of thy Lord, that I may bestow on thee a faultless son.


Quran 66:12
And Mary, daughter of 'Imran, who guarded her vagina, therefore We breathed into it of Our Spirit. And she put faith in the words of her Lord and His scriptures, and was of the obedient.


1. Allah claims he blew into Mary his spirit.
2. Allah claims he sent his spirit unto Mary in form of a perfect man.
3. The man said: that I may bestow on thee a faultless son.

Question :
1. Who bestowed Jesus to Mary: is it Allah or Jibril?
2. Are Angels spirits?
3. What is a spirit in Islam?

drlateef:
Do you lack understanding? Your question is already answered by me in my earlier message.

drlateef:
The spirit of Allah is Jubril. And Allah sends His spirit to breath into Mariam. Jubril did not enter Mariam but something from the spirit was breathed into Mariam. That’s the simple explanation.

1. Is there any Hadith or Tafsir or Qur'an that says that Angels are spirits?

Angels are made of Light according to Islam and not spirits.

2. Allah claimed that he himself blew into Mary of His spirit : is Allah a spirit?

3. Allah's spirit came as a Man (perfectly indistinguishable from any other) to Mary, how did he blow into Mary's Farjah?

4. If you claim that Jibril is a spirit: What is a Spirit?



Thanks you

iamrealdeji:
Christians have always been known to be liars because the bible is a book of lies,original bible was burnt by Persians. Any religion that's filled with lies,the followers must be chronic liars. You're not even making any sense again,even your fellow christians know you're just a liar. You know nothing about Islam,you don't even know 0.0001% about it,you even lied you were about to take your Shahada because you listened to lots of Hamed Didag but everything Deedat say about Islam,you say total opposite of it. You're just so addicted to making money from your flock of sheep and want to protect it with your last breath. You don't even love Jesus himself. I'm sure you don't have beards like him or where Islamic thobe gown like him just like Muslims dress because Jesus was a Muslim who used to prostrat to God like Muslims do. You guys are only in Christianity to extort. You've even stopped making sense. Religion of liars,no wonder why your fellow pastors and religious leaders said the man with P in his name will win the election. You're an extremely cunning and a great liar. I'm sure you will cause several rifts between your kids and cause several rifts among people,that's how Shayatins in human form talk.
You're not even creative in lying,your lies are too far fetched that everyone would know it's all lies. Your opinions don't count though,nobody hears the voice of a liar in Africa saying all the trash he has to say,Islam is spreading like wild fire,it's the world fastest growing religion and knowledgeable people, people that are better than you in every way are the main reverts. I'm sure you will start burning Quran like your Swedish bible too. Islam is too special for you because it's the only religion of God,Muhammad is too special and you envy him so much because he's billion times more handsome than you with shoulder length long hair,he's billion times more famous than you,he's prayed for by billions of people everyday while your parents even forget to pray for you in some days and they are one of the few or probably the only people that pray for you,Muhammad is talked about every second by everybody in the world since over 1400 years ago. Muhammad's name is the world most popular and commonest name people give to their children,even non of your siblings would probably never name their kids after you. You're hating Islam and Muhammad out of envy and inferiority complex. You hate Muhammad so much because you're far lower even than his shoe or one strand of his hair,nobody recognizes you but he's always the topic of discussion by Muslims and non Muslims everyday. You hate Muhammad because you're extremely jealous of him because you're totally billions of times inferior to him. You would never even talk of Ogun,Sango,Amadioha,Buddha,etc because they have nothing to be envied but Muhammad ﷺ is everything to be envied and a special being. But you have to realize if you hate a person that is billions of light years ahead of you in every way,the more the backwardness you will face in life. So,your replies are not in anyway making any sense,they just nothing but words of envy and jealousy

Let's assume I don't know the Qur'an nor Islam. Why is it that whenever I ask you questions, you ignore it to begin to do mud slinging.

If you had answered my questions, you wouldn't be in this situation of yours

I reduced the Question to ONE :
If we assume that in Quran 19:16-19, the Holy Spirit is Jibril Sent as a Messenger to Mary. Now, According to Qur'an 66:12, Was Jibril ALSO (spirit of Allah) blown into Mary?


Why a simple question difficult to answer?

drlateef:
You have obviously mistranslated 66:12. No where is vagina mentioned in that verse. The word chaste is the right word. And “something of Our spirit” is the phrase used, not “our spirit”. Christians, stop deceiving non-arabic speaking people with your deliberate mistranslations of the arabic Quran like you do with your bible. The Quran in pure arabic form is our manuscript which can never be changed. Go snd learn arabic if you what to understand Quran. Something of our spirit is different from our spirit.

Secondly,
Can you answer the question below?


Question :
If we assume that in Quran 19:16-19, the Holy Spirit is Jibril Sent as a Messenger to Mary. Now, According to Qur'an 66:12, Was Jibril ALSO (spirit of Allah) blown into Mary?


Why a simple question difficult to answer?

Note:
My aim was not to emphasise on the Vulva or Vagina of Mary. It will defeat the purpose of my Question. But since you raised the topic., you are obliged!

drlateef:
You have obviously mistranslated 66:12. No where is vagina mentioned in that verse. The word chaste is the right word. And “something of Our spirit” is the phrase used, not “our spirit”. Christians, stop deceiving non-arabic speaking people with your deliberate mistranslations of the arabic Quran like you do with your bible. The Quran in pure arabic form is our manuscript which can never be changed. Go snd learn arabic if you what to understand Quran. Something of our spirit is different from our spirit.

Dr Lateef,
I shouldn't be the one teaching you Arabic : that was why I posted the Qur'an 66:12 in Arabic.

Quran 66:12
وَمَرْيَمَ ٱبْنَتَ عِمْرَٰنَ ٱلَّتِىٓ أَحْصَنَتْ فَرْجَهَا فَنَفَخْنَا فِيهِ مِن رُّوحِنَا وَصَدَّقَتْ بِكَلِمَـٰتِ رَبِّهَا وَكُتُبِهِۦ وَكَانَتْ مِنَ ٱلْقَـٰنِتِينَ ١٢
Quran 66:12
And Mary, daughter of 'Imran, who guarded her vagina, therefore We breathed into it of Our Spirit. And she put faith in the words of her Lord and His scriptures, and was of the obedient.

1. What is the meaning of فَرْجَهَا (Farjaha) tell me it DOESN'T mean VULVA Of a woman?

2. Write in Arabic :
Jesus was born through the Vulva of Mary! let's see if you can avoid the word Farjah?


You should go back to Ile-Kewu!

iamrealdeji:
Christians have always been known to be liars because the bible is a book of lies,original bible was burnt by Persians. Any religion that's filled with lies,the followers must be chronic liars. You're not even making any sense again,even your fellow christians know you're just a liar. You know nothing about Islam,you don't even know 0.0001% about it,you even lied you were about to take your Shahada because you listened to lots of Hamed Didag but everything Deedat say about Islam,you say total opposite of it. You're just so addicted to making money from your flock of sheep and want to protect it with your last breath. You don't even love Jesus himself. I'm sure you don't have beards like him or where Islamic thobe gown like him just like Muslims dress because Jesus was a Muslim who used to prostrat to God like Muslims do. You guys are only in Christianity to extort. You've even stopped making sense. Religion of liars,no wonder why your fellow pastors and religious leaders said the man with P in his name will win the election. You're an extremely cunning and a great liar. I'm sure you will cause several rifts between your kids and cause several rifts among people,that's how Shayatins in human form talk.
You're not even creative in lying,your lies are too far fetched that everyone would know it's all lies. Your opinions don't count though,nobody hears the voice of a liar in Africa saying all the trash he has to say,Islam is spreading like wild fire,it's the world fastest growing religion and knowledgeable people, people that are better than you in every way are the main reverts. I'm sure you will start burning Quran like your Swedish bible too. Islam is too special for you because it's the only religion of God,Muhammad is too special and you envy him so much because he's billion times more handsome than you with shoulder length long hair,he's billion times more famous than you,he's prayed for by billions of people everyday while your parents even forget to pray for you in some days and they are one of the few or probably the only people that pray for you,Muhammad is talked about every second by everybody in the world since over 1400 years ago. Muhammad's name is the world most popular and commonest name people give to their children,even non of your siblings would probably never name their kids after you. You're hating Islam and Muhammad out of envy and inferiority complex. You hate Muhammad so much because you're far lower even than his shoe or one strand of his hair,nobody recognizes you but he's always the topic of discussion by Muslims and non Muslims everyday. You hate Muhammad because you're extremely jealous of him because you're totally billions of times inferior to him. You would never even talk of Ogun,Sango,Amadioha,Buddha,etc because they have nothing to be envied but Muhammad ﷺ is everything to be envied and a special being. But you have to realize if you hate a person that is billions of light years ahead of you in every way,the more the backwardness you will face in life. So,your replies are not in anyway making any sense,they just nothing but words of envy and jealousy

It is too easy to find the truth: just pose questions to catch the liar! LOL!

Question time:
Since you made some claims:

Let's assume that the original book of the Bible were burnt by the Persians
1. What is your source for this information
2. When was the Bible burned and by who?
3. Why was the Bible burnt by the Persians?


4.Is it an Islamic lie that Waraqa was known to copy the gospel and the torah?
5. Is it an Islamic lie that Mohammed placed his hands on the Torah and said "I believe in thee and the one who sent thee"?


AFTER THESE, ANSWER THE QUESTION BELOW


Question :
If we assume that in Quran 19:16-19, the Holy Spirit is Jibril Sent as a Messenger to Mary. Now, According to Qur'an 66:12, Was Jibril ALSO (spirit of Allah) blown into Mary?


Why a simple question difficult to answer?