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Christianity Etc › Re: Biblical Rapes by TenQ: 8:29am On Jul 02, 2023
AntiChristian:
Straight to the Point!

1) Murder, rape, and pillage at Jabesh-gilead (Judges 21:10-24 NLT)
So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children. “This is what you are to do,” they said. “Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin.” Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan.

The Israelite assembly sent a peace delegation to the little remnant of Benjamin who were living at the rock of Rimmon. Then the men of Benjamin returned to their homes, and the four hundred women of Jabesh-gilead who were spared were given to them as wives. But there were not enough women for all of them. The people felt sorry for Benjamin because the LORD had left this gap in the tribes of Israel. So the Israelite leaders asked, “How can we find wives for the few who remain, since all the women of the tribe of Benjamin are dead? There must be heirs for the survivors so that an entire tribe of Israel will not be lost forever. But we cannot give them our own daughters in marriage because we have sworn with a solemn oath that anyone who does this will fall under God’s curse.”

Then they thought of the annual festival of the LORD held in Shiloh, between Lebonah and Bethel, along the east side of the road that goes from Bethel to Shechem. They told the men of Benjamin who still needed wives, “Go and hide in the vineyards. When the women of Shiloh come out for their dances, rush out from the vineyards, and each of you can take one of them home to be your wife! And when their fathers and brothers come to us in protest, we will tell them, ‘Please be understanding. Let them have your daughters, for we didn’t find enough wives for them when we dest60royed Jabesh-gilead. And you are not guilty of breaking the vow since you did not give your daughters in marriage to them.'” So the men of Benjamin did as they were told. They kidnapped the women who took part in the celebration and carried them off to the land of their own inheritance. Then they rebuilt their towns and lived in them. So the assembly of Israel departed by tribes and families, and they returned to their own homes.

Obviously these women were repeatedly raped. These sick bastards killed and raped an entire town and then wanted more virgins, so they hid beside the road to kidnap and rape some more. How can anyone see this as anything but evil?

2) Murder, rape and pillage of the Midianites (Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)
They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.

Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. “Why have you let all the women live?” he demanded. “These are the very ones who followed Balaam’s advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD’s people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.

Clearly Moses and God approves of rape of virgins.

3) More Murder Rape and Pillage (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)
As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.

What kind of God approves of murder, rape, and slavery?

4) Laws of Rape (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NAB)
If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

What kind of lunatic would make a rape victim marry her attacker? Answer: God.

5) Death to the Rape Victim (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)
If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.

It is clear that God doesn’t give a damn about the rape victim. He is only concerned about the violation of another mans “property”.

6) David’s Punishment – Polygamy, Rape, Baby Killing, and God’s “Forgiveness” (2 Samuel 12:11-14 NAB)
Thus says the Lord: ‘I will bring evil upon you out of your own house. I will take your wives [plural] while you live to see it, and will give them to your neighbor. He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight. You have done this deed in secret, but I will bring it about in the presence of all Israel, and with the sun looking down.’

Then David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord.” Nathan answered David: “The Lord on his part has forgiven your sin: you shall not die. But since you have utterly spurned the Lord by this deed, the child born to you must surely die.” [The child dies seven days later.]

This has got to be one of the sickest quotes of the Bible. God himself brings the completely innocent rape victims to the rapist. What kind of pathetic loser would do something so evil? And then he kills a child! This is sick, really sick!

7) Rape of Female Captives (Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB)
“When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house. But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive’s garb. After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife. However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion.”

Once again God approves of forcible rape.

cool Rape and the Spoils of War (Judges 5:30 NAB)
They must be dividing the spoils they took: there must be a damsel or two for each man, Spoils of dyed cloth as Sisera’s spoil, an ornate shawl or two for me in the spoil. (Judges 5:30 NAB)

9) Sex Slaves (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)
When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl’s owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

10) God Assists Rape and Plunder (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)
Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst. And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city. (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)

What do you think of all these rapes?
TenQ
Mightysparrow
Ovacoma
Fzmasterz
Gaskiyamagana
43Ronin
SIRTee15
I saw a history of events in the lifetime of the Children of Israel: good and bad! The Bible doesn't hide evil unlike the Qur'an that normalises evil.
Example :
1Kin 11:6:
"And Solomon did evil in the sight of the LORD, and went not fully after the LORD, as did David his father."




Now, Tell me,
If God punished David for talking the Wife of Uriah his servant, why do you think Allah justified the Adultery and Wife snatching of Mohammed with respect to his Adopted Son Zaid and his beautiful wife Zainab?

How can one describe a Father-In law that went peeping into the unclothedness of his sons wife?

This is not a problem except that Allah approved of the despicable immorality.

Your response!
Christianity Etc › Re: According To The Islamic Narrative: It Appears that Gabriel is a Co-Creator by TenQ(op): 8:13am On Jul 02, 2023
Did AntiChristian get tongue tied?

Question :
If we assume that in Quran 19:16-19, the Holy Spirit is Jibril Sent as a Messenger to Mary. Now, According to Qur'an 66:12, Was Jibril ALSO (spirit of Allah) blown into Mary?



Why a simple question difficult to answer?
Christianity Etc › Re: What Are The Words In The Bible That Scare You Most As A Christian? by TenQ: 8:10am On Jul 02, 2023
AntiChristian:
Not really scary!
That day when the son of Mary go deny all of una Christians wey no even know his real name!
The day Muslims will discover that there is no coming out from hell fire AND the best deceiver has scammed them!

On that day,
Muslims will ask Allah when he comes to them in a shape they know not and say:.
Are you TWO Allah? Is the first Allah dead?
Then Allah will remove his garment and show them his Shin : and they would be assigned each their endless penis and appropriate brothel.
Christianity Etc › Re: Did Jesus Tell Lies? by TenQ: 8:01am On Jul 02, 2023
AntiChristian:
Lies!
There is another one you feigned blindness and deafness to.

I guess you will do me good by explaining to me the apparent contradiction between your Standard Islamic Narrative and the exact statement of the Quran

Quran 19:16-19
16. And make mention of Mary in the Scripture, when she had withdrawn from her people to a chamber looking East, 17. And had chosen seclusion from them. Then We sent unto her Our Spirit and it assumed for her the likeness of a perfect man. 18. She said: Lo! I seek refuge in the Beneficent One from thee, if thou art Allah-fearing. 19. He said: I am only a messenger of thy Lord, that I may bestow on thee a faultless son.



Quran 66:12
And Mary, daughter of 'Imran, who guarded her vagina, therefore We breathed into it of Our Spirit. And she put faith in the words of her Lord and His scriptures, and was of the obedient.



If we assume that in Quran 19:16-19, the Holy Spirit is Jibril Sent as a Messenger to Mary. Now, According to Qur'an 66:12, Was Jibril (spirit of Allah) blown into Mary?
Christianity Etc › Re: Did Jesus Tell Lies? by TenQ: 7:58am On Jul 02, 2023
AntiChristian:
Thanks for the blackmail!
Once again, I never mentioned the Prophet in the OP!
You countered the hadiths and beliefs of your prophet.

The question was:
Do YOU truly believe that the Jesus of the Christians is a Liar?


And your Response was Affirmative contrary to the Qur'an of your prophet.


Qur'an 5:116
And when Allah saith: O Jesus, son of Mary! Didst thou say unto mankind: Take me and my mother for two gods beside Allah? he saith: Be glorified! It was not mine to utter that to which I had no right. If I used to say it, then Thou knewest it. Thou knowest what is in my mind, and I know not what is in Thy Mind. Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Knower of Things Hidden?


Mohammed through Allah testified in the Qur'an that the Jesus of the Christians told His followers to Worship Allah alone BUT they refused.

You claimed that the Jesus of the Christians actually told them lies and the Christians simply believed the lie from Jesus!?

Who is the liar according to your Mohammed inspired Quran: Jesus or the Christians?

SMH!

Christianity Etc › Re: According To The Islamic Narrative: It Appears that Gabriel is a Co-Creator by TenQ(op):
Dear Vanessa7,
Since you should know just a little better than your fellow Muslims, can you help them out?


Except your mantra (as other Muslims) is:
"Don't confuse me with the Truth because I have already made up my mind!"


Question :
If we assume that in Quran 19:16-19, the Holy Spirit is Jibril Sent as a Messenger to Mary. Now, According to Qur'an 66:12, Was Jibril ALSO (spirit of Allah) blown into Mary?



You may call AntiChristian for help but he also has been dodging the questions : this is why the baton falls on you.
Christianity Etc › Re: According To The Islamic Narrative: It Appears that Gabriel is a Co-Creator by TenQ(op): 6:52am On Jul 02, 2023
Why Does My Questions look difficult for you guys
I will try to make it simpler by reducing it to just one question.

I guess you will do me good by explaining to me the apparent contradiction between your Standard Islamic Narrative and the exact statement of the Quran

Quran 19:16-19
16. And make mention of Mary in the Scripture, when she had withdrawn from her people to a chamber looking East, 17. And had chosen seclusion from them. Then We sent unto her Our Spirit and it assumed for her the likeness of a perfect man. 18. She said: Lo! I seek refuge in the Beneficent One from thee, if thou art Allah-fearing. 19. He said: I am only a messenger of thy Lord, that I may bestow on thee a faultless son.



Quran 66:12
And Mary, daughter of 'Imran, who guarded her vagina, therefore We breathed into it of Our Spirit. And she put faith in the words of her Lord and His scriptures, and was of the obedient.



If we assume that in Quran 19:16-19, the Holy Spirit is Jibril Sent as a Messenger to Mary. Now, According to Qur'an 66:12, Was Jibril (spirit of Allah) blown into Mary?


Please let's make the answers short, direct and precise
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Christianity Etc › Re: According To The Islamic Narrative: It Appears that Gabriel is a Co-Creator by TenQ(op):
Kobojunkie:
1. So the definition provided by Prophet Isaiah, and repeated in the Gospels by Jesus Christ is not good enough? undecided

2. Because your definition matters where God is concerned? Even though God clearly gave you what you should hold to, you would rather it be according to you and your whim? undecided
There is no where the word Religion was defined in the old testament or the gospels. You can show me the verses if you disagree!


Kobojunkie:
3. Oh, I studied and I am certain it does not as far as the Gospel is concerned whether the command was given before or after death because God's Word and decree is EVERLASTING — unchanging. undecided
Poor you!

You don't care!?

Luk 22:35-36:
"And he said to them, When I sent you without purse, and money, and shoes, lacked you any thing? And they said, Nothing. Then said he to them, But now, he that has a purse, let him take it, and likewise his money: and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one."


Kobojunkie:
4. Jesus did in fact send His disciples into all the world ONLY to the Lost sheep of Israel who He was sent to by the Father. And I believe this is something you refuse to entertain because, as Jesus Christ made clear, you would rather this narrative suits your whims — the doctrines and traditions of men. undecided
All these scriptures refer to the Lost Tribes of Israel!? No wonder you are always decimated whenever you chat with Muslims on Nairaland as you are not even guided by the scriptures you profess.


Mat 24:14:
"And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness to all nations; and then shall the end come."

Mat 28:19-20:
"Go you therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatever I have commanded you: and, see, I am with you always, even to the end of the world. Amen."

Mar 16:15:
"And he said to them, Go you into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature."
Christianity Etc › Re: According To The Islamic Narrative: It Appears that Gabriel is a Co-Creator by TenQ(op): 11:10pm On Jul 01, 2023
Kobojunkie:
1. Again, religion is instead submission to the doctrines and traditions of men — your various religious leaders and authorities— rather than to God. undecided

2. Religion is based on the doctrines and traditions of the men — lies spun by those who rule as deities over you - Matthew 15 vs 1 - 10 & Mark 7 vs 1 - 13. This is nothing close to that which is of God. Notice how you continue to reject Jesus Christ's own explanation of this all so you can assert in its place that which pleases you? undecided
Can you please quote ANY dictionary definition of Religion for us to see if it matches your definition?


Kobojunkie:
3. This is how Jesus Christ describes what it means to be a Hypocrite
...
Can you contrast with the definition I presented?


Kobojunkie:
4. So the same Jesus Christ is not also recorded to have said the following?
I am immediately reminded of what Jesus Christ said hypocrites do, in Mark 7 vs 9 undecided

5. I am afraid all you have done here is continue to reveal you don't really care for God as it is your narrative that you believe matters the most here, something Jesus Christ said of hypocrites. undecided

6. The same thing God proclaimed would happen to them before Jesus Christ showed up 2000 years ago for the Lost sheep of Israel. They would perish in the grave as judged by God in Genesis 3 vs 16 - 24.
I think you should study your Bible before answering these questions
1. Is it UNTRUE that BEFORE Jesus's Crucifixion, He said that He was Sent only to Israel and He sent His Disciples only to Israel.
2. Is it UNTRUE that AFTER Jesus's Resurrection , He sent His Disciples to ALL the WORLD?

3. Are you saying that Jesus Did NOT command we His Disciples to GO into ALL the WORLD, PREACH and Make Disciples of ALL Nations?
Politics › Re: French Riots: Charly Boy Asks Nigerian Youths To Act. Twitter Users Slam Him by TenQ:
Lukuluku69:
Non of your questions is worth my time. You know you lied about how Andrew and his brother became Jesus disciples. Two distinct account but like Paul, just jumble many words together, garnish it with some fine grammar and you delude yourself that you have answered them. Had you answered them correctly, I actually have Dozens of them for you but as always, just empty and windy words that won't cut to the chase.
A lie can easily be proved my dear.
Your problem is just as you don't read the Qur'an for comprehension, you are even worse with the Bible.

All you needed to do was SHOW my lies from the Bible I Quoted!

I asked you then a simple question which you refused to answer because your deliberate misconception would be exposed
In John 1:35-42, how many months did Andrew spend with Jesus?

I am still waiting for your answer! LOL!!

What I see is ESCAPIST strategy!

Like I always say:
Even if you won't answer Islamic theological questions for your sake, answer it for the sake of other Muslims


Lukuluku69:
So, you agreed that the Arabs once reigned? Alleluia!

No one forced the French to want to make French of every Nation their Waka Waka made them enter. No one, so whatever issues that come out of it they should bear patiently.

So, you are still waiting for that imaginary Kingdom of God of Daniel 2/7? You go wait tire like a Waiter. Kingdom wet don come tey try.

cheesy
Salaudeen was a great warrior and intelligent leader of his people. The Arab were versed in Astrology, Medicine and Mathematics. No one can. Take that away from their history!

It seems you don't know that the Kingdom of God is Paradise!

Let me Prove it:
1. Who will reign as king over the inmates of Paradise?
2. To whom will the Allegiance of everyone in paradise be?



Can you check this question?
https://www.nairaland.com/7746688/according-islamic-narrative-it-appears#124144445
Christianity Etc › Re: According To The Islamic Narrative: It Appears that Gabriel is a Co-Creator by TenQ(op): 10:35pm On Jul 01, 2023
Kobojunkie:
1. Not according to Scripture where submitting to God's Law in the Kingdom of God is more akin to submitting to and abiding by the Constitutional Law in your country of residence than it does any of your many religions. undecided
I was defining Religion as the manner in which a person submits to his Deity!

Is this definition wrong?
Don't you submit to the God of Abraham?


Kobojunkie:
2. There is nothing I do to "show" anything. Even prayers, He commands I do in secret. He is God who sees things done in secret you know. I simply submit and obey His Law as mandated by Him. undecided
You don't have to show anything!
All that is necessary to have a Religion is to SUBMIT to your Deity according to his rules.



Kobojunkie:
3. And Jesus Christ's description of all those who embrace religion is exactly that, hypocrites! undecided
Jesus calls those who Pretend to SUBMIT to the God of Abraham according to His Rules Hypocrites!

Do you disagree with this?



Kobojunkie:
4. Here's the situation here. God sent Jesus Christ only to the Lost sheep of Isreal meaning that all other people are free to embrace whatever God or religion that does not pretend to be of Jesus Christ. So, if God Himself gave these people the freedom to serve any gods of their choice yet you feel you know better than He does, then whose problem is it? undecided
Really!?
1. The Gospel of SALVATION Must be preached all over the world my sister
Mat 24:14:
"And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness to all nations; and then shall the end come."


2. Jesus commands us his Disciples to make Disciples of ALL nations
Mat 28:19-20:
"Go you therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatever I have commanded you: and, see, I am with you always, even to the end of the world. Amen."


3. The Command is to Go into ALL the world to preach the Gospel
Mar 16:15:
"And he said to them, Go you into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature."


This doctrine of yourself is certainly not from Jesus


Kobojunkie:
Your going after the Muslims is your own cup of Tea and not God's. God did not send anyone to save Muslims. All God and Jesus Christ instead did was send His followers out to teach His Gospel to the Lost sheep of Israel, whom you don't care much about as your personal vendetta is focused against the Muslims, and maybe atheists on occasion.

My one and only focus is Jesus Christ, the Truth of God. undecided
I have shown you enough Scriptures of the DIRECT COMMAND of Jesus to us His Disciples. The mandate is ALL the world ma!
John 3:16:
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

John 3:17:
"For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."


That is why the scripture isnt:
"For God so loved the world JEWS, that he gave his only begotten Son

"For God sent not his Son into the world ISRAEL to condemn the JEWS world


Finally,
What happens to those who REJECT the Gospel of Christ (Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Animists, Christian Religionists etc)?

John 3:18-19:
"He that believes on him is not condemned: but he that believes not is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil."
Politics › Re: French Riots: Charly Boy Asks Nigerian Youths To Act. Twitter Users Slam Him by TenQ: 9:59pm On Jul 01, 2023
Lukuluku69:
No one forced it on them.

They were building An Empire and like all Empires, Multiculturalism is the mainstay. TENQ do some research. Start with the Almighty Roman Empire.

As for the French, Google "French Policy of Assimilation.

That is a good start.
Mr Lukuluku69,
I thought you went on pilgrimage to Mecca as you didn't answer ANY of my questions to you in my last thread. I guess the questions are too difficult!
LOL!!

Every earthly kingdom must end one day: that is the rule of God as humans cannot manage success and power without them becoming selfish and arrogant.

The Babylonians had their time, the Persians had theirs, the Romans had their time, the Arabs too did. The French thought they are wise but their wisdom is haunting them now.

The Americans are reigning now, but they will soon leave the stage for another kingdom.
Christianity Etc › Re: According To The Islamic Narrative: It Appears that Gabriel is a Co-Creator by TenQ(op): 9:50pm On Jul 01, 2023
Kobojunkie:
1. I believe they are more your people since you also subscribe to a religion of your own, something God also never gave to men. undecided
If you submit to ANY Deity, the manner in which you do so is called Religion my dear.

Do you submit to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob? Are their things you DO to show your submission to Him?

If your answer is Yes, then you have a Religion

Of course, NOT ONE Religion in the world can save: Not Christianity nor Islam nor Judaism nor Buddhism nor ATR etc can save.

Only Jesus Saves!



Kobojunkie:
2. You mean kind of like you also don't believe Jesus Christ when He says things like God sent Him only to the Lost sheep of Israel or when He says that it is only when you do as He commands that you in fact reveal you are true of Him? Religion, I have come to accept as Jesus Christ said, does crazy things to the mind and causes people to live as hypocrites — claiming with their mouths to believe in a thing all while their actions reveal something entirely different.
I think Jesus answered this question

Mat 7:21:
"Not every one that said to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven."


Jesus doesn't care about hypocrites


Kobojunkie:
3. If their religion tells them that they will enter Mohammed's paradise at the end of the day who are you to decide for them that they can? undecided
I asked about YOUR opinion!


Kobojunkie:
4. So long as you don't pretend any of what you do is of Jesus Christ, I don't mind one bit. lipsrsealed
I am a bond servant of Christ. My passion for the salvation of Muslims stems from the fact that I was almost converted to Islam through Taqqiya my 200L of the University.

It was in the process of asking Questions based on my study of Islam/Qur'an that saved me from this deception.
Christianity Etc › Re: According To The Islamic Narrative: It Appears that Gabriel is a Co-Creator by TenQ(op): 8:44pm On Jul 01, 2023
Thanks for your good response : you are appreciated!
iamrealdeji:
You're not different from Quraishi people.

One can easily discern from the Holy Quran, several Hadiths, and other Islamic literature that Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) came from a poor and humble family background, and most of the time he led an austere and ascetic life.

He became orphaned in his childhood and was raised under the care of his grandfather Abd al-Muttalib, and upon his death, by his uncle Abu Talib (may Allah bless them all).

There are hundreds of hadiths that show that the Prophet (PBUH) led a life of poverty and austerity.
I am different from the Quareish people o:
1. I am not an idolater
2. I ask Questions because I am fairly knowledgeable
3. I don't accept things which doesn't make sense

I do not doubt that Mohammed had a humble beginning. He became rich only after marrying Khadija and lost all the wealth a few years after her death.



iamrealdeji:
Umar ibn al-Khattab (r) reported: “I visited Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him), and he was lying on a mat. I sat down and he drew up his lower garment over him and he had nothing (else) over him, and that the mat had left its marks on his sides. I looked with my eyes in the storeroom of Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him). I found only a handful of barley and an equal quantity of the leaves of Mimosa Flava and a semi-tanned leather bag hanging (in one side), and I was moved to tears (on seeing this extremely austere living of the Holy Prophet), and he said: Ibn Khattab, what wakes you weep? I said: Apostle of Allah, why should I not shed tears? This mat has left its marks on your sides and I do not see in your storeroom (except these few things) that I have seen; Caesars (Roman Emperors) and Khosrows (Persian Emperors) are leading their lives in plenty whereas you are Allah’s Messenger. His chosen one, and that is your store! He said: Ibn Khattab, aren’t you satisfied that for us (there should be the prosperity) of the Hereafter, and for them (there should be the prosperity of) this world? I said: Yes.” Sahih Muslim Book 9, Number 3507

Narrated ‘Aisha (wife of Prophet): A complete month would pass by during which we would not make a fire (for cookinIg), and our food used to be only dates and water unless we were given a present of some meat. Sahih Bukhari Volume 8, Book 76, Number 465

Narrated ‘Amir bin Al-Harith: Allah’s Apostle (Prophet Muhammad) did not leave a Dinar or a Dirham or a male or a female slave. He left only his white mule on which he used to ride, and his weapons, and a piece of land which he gave in charity for the needy travelers. Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 59, Number 738

Narrated Anas: Allah’s Apostle was neither very tall nor short, neither absolutely white nor deep brown. His hair was neither curly nor lank. Allah sent him (as an Apostle) when he was forty years old. Afterward, he resided in Mecca for ten years and in Medina for ten more years. When Allah took him unto Him, there were scarcely twenty white hairs in his head and beard. Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 56, Number 748

Narrated Anas: The Prophet (ﷺ) did not eat at a table till he died, and he did not eat a thin nicely baked wheat bread till he died. Sahih al-Bukhari 6450

Narrated Abu Huraira: The family of Muhammad did not eat their fill for three successive days till he died. Sahih al-Bukhari 5374

It was narrated that Anas said: “I never saw the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) eat from a dish until he died.” Sunan Ibn Majah 3293

Narrated Anas: To the best of my knowledge, the Prophet (ﷺ) did not take his meals in a big tray at all, nor did he ever eat well-baked thin bread, nor did he ever eat at a dining table. Sahih al-Bukhari 5386

Simplicity and Austerity
Even when he presided over an Islamic authority in Madinah by the grace of Allah s.w.t., he steered away from all aspects of affluence and extravagance, and yet diligently performed all his duties towards his family, society, and nation.

It has been recorded in several hadiths that if some wealth came to his possession in the morning, by sunset he would distribute them amongst the needy. He lived in a house made of mud and straws and prayed in a sheepfold. The first mosque that he got constructed in Madina was made of mud and straws.

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 8, Number 421- Narrated Abu Al-Taiyah: Anas said- ‘Prophet Muhammad prayed in the sheepfold, Later on, I heard him saying, “He prayed in the sheepfolds before the construction of the mosque.”
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 8, Number 437- Narrated ‘Abdullah ibn ‘Umar- ‘In the lifetime of Allah’s Apostle the mosque was built of adobes (clay), its roof of the leaves of date palms and its pillars of the stems of date-palms. Abu Bakr did not alter it. ‘Umar expanded it on the same pattern as it was in the lifetime of Allah’s Apostle by using adobes, leaves of date palms, and changing the pillars into wooden ones. ‘Uthman changed it by expanding it to a great extent and built its walls with engraved stones and lime and made its pillars of engraved stones and its roof of teak wood.
Grazing Sheep and Camels

Like many other Prophets (peace be upon them all), Prophet Muhammad (s) also grazed sheep and herded cattle in childhood.
In his childhood, he grazed sheep and camels as a shepherd, and in his youth, he did not shy away from manual labor. He proudly praised the meal earned by manual labor and hard work as the best meal as can be observed from the Hadith below.

Sahih al-Bukhari 2262 Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet (ﷺ) said, “Allah did not send any prophet but shepherded sheep.” His companions asked him, “Did you do the same?” The Prophet (ﷺ) replied, “Yes, I used to shepherd the sheep of the people of Mecca for some Qirats.”
Sahih Bukhari Volume 3, Book 34, Number 286: Narrated Al-Miqdam: The Prophet said, “Nobody has ever eaten a better meal than that which one has earned by working with one’s own hands. The Prophet of Allah, David used to eat from the earnings of his manual labor.”
Most companions of Prophet (s) also came from humble backgrounds and engaged in manual labor for sustenance. Some of them later became rich though with their hard work and with the blessings of Allah as can be ascertained from the hadith below-

Sahih al-Bukhari 2071 Narrated Aisha: The companions of Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) used to practice manual labor, so their sweat used to smell, and they were advised to take a bath.
Sahih al-Bukhari 2273 Narrated Abu May’ id Al-Ansari: Whenever Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) ordered us to give in charity we would go to the market and work as porters to earn a Mudd (two handfuls) (of foodstuff) but now some of us have one-hundred thousand Dirhams or Diners. (The sub-narrator) Shaqiq said, “I think Abu Mas`ud meant himself by saying (some of us).
Further, as per Islamic injunctions, the wages are an earned right, not a charity. In a well-documented hadith, the Prophet (s) stated to pay the worker his dues before his sweat has dried up.

Sunan Ibn Majah Vol. 3, Book 16, Hadith 2443: It was narrated from ‘Abdullah bin ‘Umar that the Messenger of Allah (s) said: “Give the worker his wages before his sweat dries”
Marriage with Khadija (RA)
Later he got some clerical work in the household of an influential businesswoman named Khadija (r) who also happened to be a widow. Taking advantage of her condition, her employees often embezzled the gains of her businesses.

So when Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) worked honestly for her, she was impressed and later proposed to marry him. The Prophet (PBUH) agreed after consulting with his elders and it was by all counts a happy marriage.

When he (PBUH) was told about his prophethood while meditating in a cave (named Hira), he trembled with fear. His wife Bibi Khadija (ra) consoled him and said-

ALLAH (GOD) WILL NEVER DISGRACE YOU. YOU UNITE UTERINE RELATIONS; YOU BEAR THE BURDEN OF THE WEAK; YOU HELP THE POOR AND THE NEEDY, YOU HONOUR YOUR GUESTS AND ENDURE HARDSHIPS IN THE PATH OF TRUTHFULNESS.

Humiliations and Mockings
When he started preaching the message of Allah, people made fun of him. His own tribe turned against him and he was mercilessly abused & mocked.

People not only did accuse him of hypocrisy but also labeled him with insinuating epithets.

When he used to pass down a street, many would spit on him and many would pour trash from above.

And when he prayed near the Kaba, some mischievous people would place dung, blood, and the abdominal contents of dead animals around his neck.

Narrated Amar ibn Maimuin- ‘Abdullah bin Masud said, While Allah’s Apostle was praying beside the Kaba, there were some Quraish people sitting in a gathering. One of them said, ‘Don’t you see this (who does deeds just to show off)? Who amongst you can go and bring the dung, blood, and the abdominal contents (intestines, etc) of the slaughtered camels of the family of so and so and then wait till he prostrates and put that in between his shoulders?’ The most unfortunate amongst them went and when Allah’s Apostle prostrated, he put them between his shoulders. The Prophet remained in prostration and they laughed so much so that they fell on each other.’ Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 9, Number 499

But when all this could not stop Islam from expanding in leaps and bounds with the grace of Allah s.w.t., rich Arabs started threatening him and even made several attempts on his life and on the lives of his followers.

His followers were generally poor people like him and they faced a severe socio-economic boycott from all sides.

The Holy Quran also contains verses on the humiliation and insult of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) at the hands of powerful elites of Mecca.

See ˹O Prophet˺ how they call you names! So they have gone so ˹far˺ astray that they cannot find the ˹Right˺ Way. Holy Quran 25:9

And they say ˹mockingly˺, “What kind of messenger is this who eats food and goes about in market-places ˹for a living˺? If only an angel had been sent down with him to be his co-warner, or (why is not) treasure thrown down unto him, or why hath he not a paradise from whence to eat? And the evil-doers say: Ye are but following a man bewitched. (Holy Quran 25:7-cool

We never sent any messenger before you ˹O Prophet˺, who did not eat food and go about in market-places. We have made some of you a trial for others. Will you ˹not then˺ be patient? And your Lord is All-Seeing. Holy Quran 25-20

The Powerful disbelievers and idol worshippers of Mecca often mocked Holy Quran and called it a wishful thinking Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).

The disbelievers say, “This ˹Quran˺ is nothing but a fabrication which he made up with the help of others.” Their claim is totally unjustified and untrue! (Holy Quran 25:4)

And they say, “˹These revelations are only˺ ancient fables which he has had written down, and they are rehearsed to him morning and evening.” (Holy Quran 25:5)

Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “This ˹Quran˺ has been revealed by the One Who knows the secrets of the heavens and the earth. Surely He is All-Forgiving, Most Merciful.” Holy Quran 25:6

The Messenger has cried, “O my Lord! My people have indeed received this Quran with neglect.” Similarly, We made enemies for every prophet from among the wicked, but sufficient is your Lord as a Guide and Helper. Holy Quran 25:30-31

They have certainly denied ˹the truth˺, so they will soon face the consequences of their ridicule. Holy Quran 26:6
Mohammed was poor after the death of Khadija. This was why he received inspiration for his followers to start raiding the Caravans

However, by the time Mohammed moved to Medina, he had become powerful and Wealthy.

1.Is it true that 20% of the best of booties from war belong to Mohammed and others share the remaining?

2. Is it true that each of Mohammed's wives had her own room and servants who attend to them?

3. Is it true that Allah instructs you Muslims to not go to inquire from Mohammed without giving him something?

4. Is it true that Mohammed at Medina did not have a business, trade or vocation to supplied his needs?

5. Is it true that after a raid on the Jewish communities antagonistic to Mohammed, their wealth become shared by the Muslims?

If these are true, how are these fitting for a poor man with no business but with 13 wives?


iamrealdeji:
Migration to Medina
When the situation became out of control, Prophet (PBUH) left Mecca and migrated to Medina to safeguard the lives & interests of his persecuted followers.

The people of Medina were generous and they not only welcomed him to their city but also converted to Islam en-masse.

Meccans did not let him live in peace even there and tried to raid Medina. They attacked Medina and its business caravans several times until they were finally defeated in a war.

The companions of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) would often weep at his poverty and austere lifestyle. Commenting on the persona of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), Ali Eteraz writes-

That you could lose your parents within your first eight years and still become a man; that you could lose your family and their protection and still become a leader; that you could lose numerous sons at that age in which children are the most innocent and still be compassionate;

that you could have stones thrown at your head till pools of blood accumulated in your shoes and still not give in to vengeance; that you could have your uncle impaled upon spears and his heart literally eaten and still forgive the killers;

that you could sleep on mats of hay and still be regal; that you could be so lonely that rather than sitting in the city circles you had to withdraw to caves and yet still come down with a book like the Quran; in this survival, no, affirmation of life, is a miracle that underlies Islam.

Indeed, he was a prophet adorned in simplicity and austerity. He was untouched by the slightest of hubris, and yet Quran reminded him repeatedly that he is but a plain Warner, probably for the sake of abundant caution.

Al-Quran 46:9 Say [O Muhammad], ‘I am not the first of God’s messengers, and I do not know what will be done with me or with you: I do not follow anything but what is revealed to me, and I am merely a plain Warner.’
Al-Quran 42:27 And if Allah had extended [excessively] provision for His servants, they would have committed tyranny throughout the earth. But He sends [it] down in an amount which He wills. Indeed He is, of His servants, Acquainted and Seeing.
A Religion with Subaltern Roots
It can be seen all over the world, that most of the world religions as they exist today have been the product of rich persons from influential backgrounds. Even if they had a humble beginning, they had been monopolized and patronized by elite rulers and classes.

In several cultures/civilizations like those of the Jews and Brahmins, there was and still is the firm belief that amongst all human beings only they are the people chosen by God to preside over the affairs of religion and matters connected thereto.

So it was natural for people with such thinking to object get irked when a simple and poor person like Muhammad (s) declared himself not only the messenger of God but also the last and final one to receive direct revelations from the Almighty (in form of Quran) and to convey it to all Humankind. Holy Quran elaborately responds to such objections and queries.
Thanks for feeding me with the history of Mohammed and Islam. However, you didn't answer ANY of my own Questionswith regards to the teachings of the Qur'an.

I will simplify my Questions if you don't mind.

Quran 19:19
19. He said: I am only a messenger of thy Lord, that I may bestow on thee a faultless son.



It has been traditionally adopted by Muslims that the statement in Qur'an 19:19 is made by Jibril.

Thus,
Who is the one bestowing the child to Mary?
Is it Jibril or Allah?
Christianity Etc › Re: List Of People In Both The Holy Bible And The Quran by TenQ: 7:20pm On Jul 01, 2023
TemplarLandry:

It is an established fact that Christianity has a great influence on mankind. It is also believed that Mohammed deviated from Christianity to create Islam in order to suit the religious context of his locality. It is also believed that Mohammed attempted to replicate the Holy Bible by writing stories similar to the accounts recorded in The Bible. This is why the Quran features names of some Bible characters.

List of people in both The Holy Bible and The Quran:

BIBLE                                    QURAN
Aaron                                    Haarun
Abraham                              Ibrahim
Adam                                    Adam
David                                    Dawud (Dauda)
Elijah (Elias)                          Ilyas
Eliaha                                    Al-Yasa
Enoch                                    Idris
Ezekiel                                   Hizkil
Gabriel                                  Jibril (Jubril)
Isaac                                      Ishaq
Ishmael                                 Ismail
Jacob                                     Yakub (Yakubu)
Jesus (Yeshua)                     Isa
Joachim                                Imran
Job                                        Ayub (Ayuba)
John                                      Yahya
Jonah                                    Yinus (Yinusa)
Joseph                                  Yusif (Yusuf)
Mary                                     Maryam
Michael                                Mikail
Moses                                  Musa
Noah                                    Nuh
Pharaoh                               Firawn
Saul                                       Talut
Satan (Devil)                         Shaitaan (Iblis)
Solomon                               Sulayman
Zechariah                             Zakariyya

Source
Joachim is NOT Imran

Amran. Is. Imran



Exo 6:20:
"And Amram took him Jochebed his father's sister to wife; and she bore him Aaron and Moses: and the years of the life of Amram were an hundred and thirty and seven years."

Amram is the Father of Moses, Aaron and Miriam

Qur'an 19:28
O sister of Aaron(Mary)! Your father was not an evil man, nor was your mother an unchaste woman.” 19. “.


Tafsir Ibn Kathir on 56:27-40
So, I asked my Lord, "Who is this" He said, "This is your brother Musa, son of `Imran (موسى بن عمران), and those who followed him among the Children of Israel." I said, "O Lord! Where is my Ummah" Allah said, "Look to your right on the hill," and I looked and saw faces of men. Allah said, "Are you pleased" and I said, "I am pleased O Lord!" Allah said, "Look to the horizon to your left" and I saw faces of men. He again asked, "Are you pleased," and I said, "I am pleased, O Lord!" He said, "And with them are seventy-thousand who will enter Paradise without reckoning."



Allah confused Mariam the Sister of Aaron with Mary, the Mother of Jesus
Christianity Etc › Re: According To The Islamic Narrative: It Appears that Gabriel is a Co-Creator by TenQ(op): 7:05pm On Jul 01, 2023
Kobojunkie,
You can see your people.
Their preferred standard Islamic Narrative is Not found in the Qur'an but it is exactly what they teach.

Eg.
That the Holy Spirit is Angel Gabriel

Unfortunately, they can't agree that Angel Gabriel is a Co-Creator with God.

1. Do you think good Muslims will enter Paradise?
2. Do you think that these questions of mine are unreasonable to be given to Muslims.
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Christianity Etc › Re: According To The Islamic Narrative: It Appears that Gabriel is a Co-Creator by TenQ(op): 3:27pm On Jul 01, 2023
I expect Muslims to ignore this thread for one PRIMARY reason.

There is no escaping the reality of the Quran's message as it is opposite the preferred standard Islamic Narrative!
Christianity Etc › Re: According To The Islamic Narrative: It Appears that Gabriel is a Co-Creator by TenQ(op):
Check out these two hadiths
Sunan an-Nasa'i 1048: Book 12, Hadith 20
It was narrated that Aishah said:
"The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) used to say when bowing: 'Subbuhun Quddusun Rabbul-mala'ikati war-ruh (Perfect, Most Holy, is the Lord of the angels and the spirit ).'"


Sahih Muslim 487a: Book 4, Hadith 253
'A'isha reported that the Messenger of Allah (may peace he upon him) used to pronounce while bowing and prostrating himself:
All Glorious, All Holy, Lord of the Angels and the Spirit.

Showing that Just as Allah is the Lord of Man, angels and Jinns, he is also the Lord of the Spirit
Note:
In the two hadiths, the word Spirit is SINGULAR



1. Are Angels spirits?
2. What is a Spirit in Islam?
Christianity Etc › Re: According To The Islamic Narrative: It Appears that Gabriel is a Co-Creator by TenQ(op):
Quran 19:16-19
16. And make mention of Mary in the Scripture, when she had withdrawn from her people to a chamber looking East, 17. And had chosen seclusion from them. Then We sent unto her Our Spirit and it assumed for her the likeness of a perfect man. 18. She said: Lo! I seek refuge in the Beneficent One from thee, if thou art Allah-fearing. 19. He said: I am only a messenger of thy Lord, that I may bestow on thee a faultless son.


Is Jibril the Spirit of Allah?
Christianity Etc › Re: According To The Islamic Narrative: It Appears that Gabriel is a Co-Creator by TenQ(op):
Muslims agree that statement in Qur'an 66:12 is by Allah.

Quran 66:12
And Mary, daughter of 'Imran, who guarded her vagina, therefore We breathed into it of Our Spirit. And she put faith in the words of her Lord and His scriptures, and was of the obedient.


Who owns the Breath that was blown into Mary?

Who breath into Mary? Is it Allah or Jibril?


If Jubril did the blowing And he owns the breath, how can we say Jibril is not Allah?
Christianity Etc › Re: According To The Islamic Narrative: It Appears that Gabriel is a Co-Creator by TenQ(op): 12:56pm On Jul 01, 2023
Quran 19:19
19. He said: I am only a messenger of thy Lord, that I may bestow on thee a faultless son.



It has been traditionally adopted by Muslims that the statement in Qur'an 19:19 is made by Jibril.

Thus,
Who is the one bestowing the child to Mary?
Is it Jibril or Allah?
Christianity Etc › Re: According To The Islamic Narrative: It Appears that Gabriel is a Co-Creator by TenQ(op): 4:02am On Jul 01, 2023
Disturbing the Standard Islamic Narrative that Jubril is the Holy Spirit

Today, we shall just study a few verses of the Quran and show the denial of the Islamic Narratives of the true Identity of the Holy Spirit in the Quran.
Quran 19:16-19
وَٱذْكُرْ فِى ٱلْكِتَـٰبِ مَرْيَمَ إِذِ ٱنتَبَذَتْ مِنْ أَهْلِهَا مَكَانًۭا شَرْقِيًّۭا ١٦ فَٱتَّخَذَتْ مِن دُونِهِمْ حِجَابًۭا فَأَرْسَلْنَآ إِلَيْهَا رُوحَنَا فَتَمَثَّلَ لَهَا بَشَرًۭا سَوِيًّۭا ١٧ قَالَتْ إِنِّىٓ أَعُوذُ بِٱلرَّحْمَـٰنِ مِنكَ إِن كُنتَ تَقِيًّۭا ١٨ قَالَ إِنَّمَآ أَنَا۠ رَسُولُ رَبِّكِ لِأَهَبَ لَكِ غُلَـٰمًۭا زَكِيًّۭا ١٩
Quran 19:16-19
16. And make mention of Mary in the Scripture, when she had withdrawn from her people to a chamber looking East, 17. And had chosen seclusion from them. Then We sent unto her Our Spirit and it assumed for her the likeness of a perfect man. 18. She said: Lo! I seek refuge in the Beneficent One from thee, if thou art Allah-fearing. 19. He said: I am only a messenger of thy Lord, that I may bestow on thee a faultless son.


FACTS:
1. Allah sent to Mary his Spirit ("Our Spirit"= رُوحَنَا = ruhana)
2. The Spirit assumed the form of a Perfect Man
3. The Spirit claimed to be a Messenger of Allah
4. The Spirit Bestowed or Gave Mary a Faultless Son (Jesus)


Quran 66:12
وَمَرْيَمَ ٱبْنَتَ عِمْرَٰنَ ٱلَّتِىٓ أَحْصَنَتْ فَرْجَهَا فَنَفَخْنَا فِيهِ مِن رُّوحِنَا وَصَدَّقَتْ بِكَلِمَـٰتِ رَبِّهَا وَكُتُبِهِۦ وَكَانَتْ مِنَ ٱلْقَـٰنِتِينَ ١٢
Quran 66:12
And Mary, daughter of 'Imran, who guarded her vagina, therefore We breathed into it of Our Spirit. And she put faith in the words of her Lord and His scriptures, and was of the obedient.


FACTS:
1. The One who Blew into the Private Part of Mary was Allah himself (We (Allah) blew into it)
2. Whatever was Blown by Allah is of Allah's Spirit

OBSERVABLES:
1. The Spirit of Allah is not an Attribute of Allah: it is a Living Being
How do we know?
-He assumed the form of a perfect man
-He claimed to be a messenger of Allah
-He gave Jesus to Mary

2. Allah was the one who gave Mary the pregnancy of Jesus
How do we know?
-He was the one who blew into the private part of Mary
-He is therefore then the Messenger who came to Mary as a perfect Man

Here is a Few Hadiths that may be of help to you
Sunan an-Nasa'i 1048: Book 12, Hadith 20
It was narrated that Aishah said:
"The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) used to say when bowing: 'Subbuhun Quddusun Rabbul-mala'ikati war-ruh (Perfect, Most Holy, is the Lord of the angels and the spirit ).'"


Sahih Muslim 487a: Book 4, Hadith 253
'A'isha reported that the Messenger of Allah (may peace he upon him) used to pronounce while bowing and prostrating himself:
All Glorious, All Holy, Lord of the Angels and the Spirit.

Showing that Just as Allah is the Lord of Man, angels and Jinns, he is also the Lord of the Spirit
Note:
In the two hadiths, the word Spirit is SINGULAR


Please, Don't just Repeat the standard Islamic Narrative without Backing it up with the Quran
Questions:
1. Is Angel Gabriel (Jibril) the Creator of Jesus (as he gave Mary the pregnancy Jesus)?
2. Is there a single Ayah of the Quran that shows that the Holy Spirit is Angel Gabriel?
3. According to Islamic narratives, Man is made of Mud, Jinns are made of smokeless fire and Angels are made of Light. Can you show a single verse of the Quran where Angels are spirits?
4. If Gabriel is an Angel but Angels are not Spirits, is this not a proof that Jubril is not a spirit not to speak of being the Holy Spirit?
5. Since Muslims claim to be spiritual: What is a spirit?
6. What is the relationship of a person who impregnates a woman to the Baby called? Is Jibril therefore the Father of Jesus?


If you think that Jubril is the Holy Spirit (according to the standard Islamic narrative), then I CHALLENGE you to answer truthfully the Questions Above.




Please let's make the answers short, direct and precise
Christianity Etc › Re: According To The Islamic Narrative: It Appears that Gabriel is a Co-Creator by TenQ(op): 4:27pm On Jun 30, 2023
gaskiyamagana:
Dean
School of Misinterpretation/Misrepresentation
Christian University of slamic Studies
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The more you are trying to disrespect Islam, the more demonstration of your upsidedown reason is clearer.
Hello my friend.
I am not trying to disrespect Islam. I am asking questions because the Islamic standard narratives are often at variance with narratives of Islamic literatures.

Here are the Questions

Questions:
1. Is Angel Gabriel (Jibril) the Creator of Jesus (as he gave Mary the pregnancy Jesus)?
2. Is there a single Ayah of the Quran that shows that the Holy Spirit is Angel Gabriel?
3. According to Islamic narratives, Man is made of Mud, Jinns are made of smokeless fire and Angels are made of Light. Can you show a single verse of the Quran where Angels are spirits?
4. If Gabriel is an Angel but Angels are not Spirits, is this not a proof that Jubril is not a spirit not to speak of being the Holy Spirit?
5. Since Muslims claim to be spiritual: What is a spirit?
6. What is the relationship of a person who impregnates a woman to the Baby called? Is Jibril therefore the Father of Jesus?

If you think that Jubril is the Holy Spirit (according to the standard Islamic narrative), then I CHALLENGE you to answer truthfully the Questions Above.
Christianity Etc › Re: According To The Islamic Narrative: It Appears that Gabriel is a Co-Creator by TenQ(op): 4:25pm On Jun 30, 2023
Everything about Islam looks okay until you shine a Light of reason on it. No wonder, Allah commanded Muslims not to ask questions about the Qur'an.

They will certainly run away from this thread as there is no honest answer from them.

A religion that pride itself as spiritual should be able to define what a spirit is!
Christianity Etc › Re: According To The Islamic Narrative: It Appears that Gabriel is a Co-Creator by TenQ(op): 12:02pm On Jun 30, 2023
FxMasterz:
Thanks bro. I'll research further into it. Just that information about Islam is so concealed that you wouldn't be able to get the truth except you're deeply in the religion.
You are welcome. Stay blessed
Christianity Etc › Re: According To The Islamic Narrative: It Appears that Gabriel is a Co-Creator by TenQ(op): 12:01pm On Jun 30, 2023
Islam is easy to unravel.
1. Take any standard Islamic Narrative and subject is the questions and reasoning
2. Read the hadiths and ask questions
3. Read the Qur'an and then ask questions

The achiles heel of Islam is QUESTIONS.
Christianity Etc › Re: According To The Islamic Narrative: It Appears that Gabriel is a Co-Creator by TenQ(op): 10:43am On Jun 30, 2023
FxMasterz:
Is there anything they call Sunnah lies? I'm aware of Taqqiya lies. I learnt that Sunnah lies are lies told to make Allah look bigger. It has reward's for the Muslim. I just need some clarifications.
I've not heard specifically of the phrase sunnah lies. However, it seems up to 80% of all hadiths are either outright fabrications or untrustworthy.

The Qur'an itself is based on lies eg. Jesus did not dies
The Sunnah is full of lies eg. Jibril is Angel Gabriel, Mohammeds journey to the seven heavens etc

They tell lies that Mohammed is the Best of humans worthy of emulation. The Qur'an has not been changed, Scientific Miracles of the Qur'an etc

All Islamic lies fall under the term Taqqiya (deception). It is generally allowed for a Muslim to tell lies as long as the lies will further the cause of Islam
Christianity Etc › Re: According To The Islamic Narrative: It Appears that Gabriel is a Co-Creator by TenQ(op): 10:36am On Jun 30, 2023
MightySparrow:
I have been saying this that Islam is a confusion.
It is stemmed from hate for Jews.
Why would the Jews claim they only have covenant with God?
An average Muslim would not accept this. However, the promise and covenant of God stand sure.
Muslims are just deceiving themselves.
Since Mohammed could receive the Qur'an from satan without knowing. Only God knows how much of the so-called inspiration is from satan. Only Satan seeks for the extermination of the Jews. It is not his first attempt at that.
Christianity Etc › Re: According To The Islamic Narrative: It Appears that Gabriel is a Co-Creator by TenQ(op): 10:02am On Jun 30, 2023
Just see as all of them decided to feign deaf and dumb. The Truth remains constant wherever you take it.

The problem of Islam is LIES right from the root. They tell lies to themselves just as they tell other kinds of lies to others.

All these is from there religious literatures : its a shame only Mohammed can fabricate new revelation from Jibril.
Christianity Etc › Re: According To The Islamic Narrative: It Appears that Gabriel is a Co-Creator by TenQ(op): 8:55am On Jun 30, 2023
MightySparrow:
Don't expect any of them to answer you truthfully. No lies can bring truth. The will qoute from lies to support lies.

Anyway, continue to tell them.


It is our duty.
Cheers.
Just as the wall of Jericho fell, the wall of imprisonment of Islam will collapse in NIGERIA in JESUS mighty name.

People love Lies and Deception both for themselves and others!
Christianity Etc › Re: According To The Islamic Narrative: It Appears that Gabriel is a Co-Creator by TenQ(op): 8:52am On Jun 30, 2023
MightySparrow:
God is doing that already. So many of them are seeing the light. Many of them veil themselves from the light.

There are thousands of christians today in Iran, Saudi Arabia, Iraq,,.. Thanks to the internet. Only our friends here are adamant.
I pray for them anyway that there Stony hearts would be touched.
Good job my brother.
It is difficult to break from the yoke of imprisonment of Islam. Part of the reason is because every Muslim has been taught to hate the Abrahamaic religions of Islam and Christianity.

Till tomorrow I still ask them the Question:
Let's assume that the Christians have deviated from the religion of God by calling Jesus God: What is the offence of the modern day Jews who still practice the Religion of Moses?

Sahih Muslim 2922
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying:
The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him ; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.


Why does Allah hate the Jews this much?

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