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MightySparrow:
Allah is a nonexistent scriptural God. Mohammed chose the head demon of Mecca blended it with spurious Jewish scriptures to concort the Qur'an.

He indoctrinated his followers with fear to guide against reason.


P.s:
Antichristian, I pity you.

A religion founded as a business and power venture for a Scammer who fused stories from Everywhere to deceive gullible people using the name and identity of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

No wonder, he didn't find it difficult kissing the black stone or receiving the satanic verses.

I would be surprised if just one of them attempted to answer half of the questions truthfully.

[quote author=MightySparrow post=124119473][/quote]The Standard Islamic mantra is:
Don't confuse me with the Truth because I have already made up my mind

I pray that God Himself will open their eyes and hearts to His word and His Spirit!
Amen!

MightySparrow:
Islam is confusion.

It is a religion of confusion indeed.

Everything about Islam looks okay until you shine a Light of reason on it. No wonder, Allah commanded Muslims not to ask questions about the Qur'an.

They will certainly run away from this thread as there is no honest answer from them.

A religion that pride itself as spiritual should be able to define what a spirit is!

orisa37:
THAT'S AN ATTEMPT TO THWART THE CAPABILITIES OF THE GRAND ORDER DOMINION.

If the Islamic standard narrative is true, then Jibril is Allah. If Not, Muslims have to define the identity of the Holy Spirit.
QED!


These are Questions Muslims would never ask themselves.

I expect Muslims to ignore this thread for one PRIMARY reason.

There is no escaping the reality of the Quran's message as it is opposite the preferred standard Islamic Narrative!

Disturbing the Standard Islamic Narrative that Jubril is the Holy Spirit

Today, we shall just study a few verses of the Quran and show the denial of the Islamic Narratives of the true Identity of the Holy Spirit in the Quran.
Quran 19:16-19
وَٱذْكُرْ فِى ٱلْكِتَـٰبِ مَرْيَمَ إِذِ ٱنتَبَذَتْ مِنْ أَهْلِهَا مَكَانًۭا شَرْقِيًّۭا ١٦ فَٱتَّخَذَتْ مِن دُونِهِمْ حِجَابًۭا فَأَرْسَلْنَآ إِلَيْهَا رُوحَنَا فَتَمَثَّلَ لَهَا بَشَرًۭا سَوِيًّۭا ١٧ قَالَتْ إِنِّىٓ أَعُوذُ بِٱلرَّحْمَـٰنِ مِنكَ إِن كُنتَ تَقِيًّۭا ١٨ قَالَ إِنَّمَآ أَنَا۠ رَسُولُ رَبِّكِ لِأَهَبَ لَكِ غُلَـٰمًۭا زَكِيًّۭا ١٩
Quran 19:16-19
16. And make mention of Mary in the Scripture, when she had withdrawn from her people to a chamber looking East, 17. And had chosen seclusion from them. Then We sent unto her Our Spirit and it assumed for her the likeness of a perfect man. 18. She said: Lo! I seek refuge in the Beneficent One from thee, if thou art Allah-fearing. 19. He said: I am only a messenger of thy Lord, that I may bestow on thee a faultless son.

FACTS:
1. Allah sent to Mary his Spirit ("Our Spirit"= رُوحَنَا = ruhana)
2. The Spirit assumed the form of a Perfect Man
3. The Spirit claimed to be a Messenger of Allah
4. The Spirit Bestowed or Gave Mary a Faultless Son (Jesus)


Quran 66:12
وَمَرْيَمَ ٱبْنَتَ عِمْرَٰنَ ٱلَّتِىٓ أَحْصَنَتْ فَرْجَهَا فَنَفَخْنَا فِيهِ مِن رُّوحِنَا وَصَدَّقَتْ بِكَلِمَـٰتِ رَبِّهَا وَكُتُبِهِۦ وَكَانَتْ مِنَ ٱلْقَـٰنِتِينَ ١٢
Quran 66:12
And Mary, daughter of 'Imran, who guarded her vagina, therefore We breathed into it of Our Spirit. And she put faith in the words of her Lord and His scriptures, and was of the obedient.

FACTS:
1. The One who Blew into the Private Part of Mary was Allah himself (We (Allah) blew into it)
2. Whatever was Blown by Allah is of Allah's Spirit

OBSERVABLES:
1. The Spirit of Allah is not an Attribute of Allah: it is a Living Being
How do we know?
-He assumed the form of a perfect man
-He claimed to be a messenger of Allah
-He gave Jesus to Mary
2. Allah was the one who gave Mary the pregnancy of Jesus
How do we know?
-He was the one who blew into the private part of Mary
-He is therefore then the Messenger who came to Mary as a perfect Man

Here is a Few Hadiths that may be of help to you
Sunan an-Nasa'i 1048: Book 12, Hadith 20
It was narrated that Aishah said:
"The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) used to say when bowing: 'Subbuhun Quddusun Rabbul-mala'ikati war-ruh (Perfect, Most Holy, is the Lord of the angels and the spirit ).'"

Sahih Muslim 487a: Book 4, Hadith 253
'A'isha reported that the Messenger of Allah (may peace he upon him) used to pronounce while bowing and prostrating himself:
All Glorious, All Holy, Lord of the Angels and the Spirit.

Showing that Just as Allah is the Lord of Man, angels and Jinns, he is also the Lord of the Spirit
Note:
In the two hadiths, the word Spirit is SINGULAR

Please, Don't just Repeat the standard Islamic Narrative without Backing it up with the Quran
Questions:
1. Is Angel Gabriel (Jibril) the Creator of Jesus (as he gave Mary the pregnancy Jesus)?
2. Is there a single Ayah of the Quran that shows that the Holy Spirit is Angel Gabriel?
3. According to Islamic narratives, Man is made of Mud, Jinns are made of smokeless fire and Angels are made of Light. Can you show a single verse of the Quran where Angels are spirits?
4. If Gabriel is an Angel but Angels are not Spirits, is this not a proof that Jubril is not a spirit not to speak of being the Holy Spirit?
5. Since Muslims claim to be spiritual: What is a spirit?
6. What is the relationship of a person who impregnates a woman to the Baby called? Is Jibril therefore the Father of Jesus?

If you think that Jubril is the Holy Spirit (according to the standard Islamic narrative), then I CHALLENGE you to answer truthfully the Questions Above.




Please let's make the answers short, direct and precise
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SenatePresdo:
Withdrawal method done the right way will almost never get any girl pregnant.

But many Guys have falled victim of botched withdrawal method, which they ended up impregnating the lady.

If you are a 2-3 rounds man, after the first withdrawal don't make the mistake of entering her back even if it's after 2 hours later.
There are still residues of sperm cells resting in your penis, once you enter her back, pre sperm fluid will gladly convey them into her womb
If you like do withdrawal method the second time, you are at risk already.

Best way is, anytime you are done with the first round, make sure you Urinate so that the left over sperm cells would be killed or washed away.
If you want to go for 3rd round, make sure you urinate again.

it's better to cum outside than to cum inside when you are not ready to take her inside

I'm sure you never heard of preejaculatory fluid. Later you'll be denying a pregnancy that is yours!

SMH!

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mo0GhFUkMmM

drlateef:
Is man a spirit?

Man is a Body, Soul and Spirit!
Yes, man is a spirit.


To you, what is a Spirit?

jaephoenix:
So that bible verse is wrong then?

How can it be wrong?

It is appointed for man to die once.. Is a True statement.

Heb 9:27:
"And as it is appointed to men once to die, but after this the judgment:"

Only a Miracle can make it an exception.

It is like saying :
No human being can walk on water!

This is a True saying, however Peter did walk on water

AntiChristian:
K, Blackmailer!

LOL!

I just showed you that in your quest to win an argument, you were willing to claim superiority in knowledge to your Prophet Mohammed. What does that make you? A good Muslim!?

It's the truth bro: you are not being blackmailed.

IMAliyu:
Yeah, Islam has shot itself in the foot with it's absolute claims to perfection and completion.
So when a single fault is exposed everything else should come crumbling down to a rational mind.
But it gets by, by warping the meaning of words, like "perfect" or the ironic saying now "religion of peace" which makes you have to wander what these words mean in the heads of Muslims when they say them.
For me back then I just never thought about this, and even if I tried, I hadn't built up the rational framework and emotional stability to be able to examine these claims and accept the outcome I'll arrive at.

The second part of my faith that eroded was the idea that Muhammad was the "best of mankind", with a character to be emulated for all time.
"Best of mankind" what does this mean in the head of a Muslim? What personality traits and character would one associate with this?
Muhammad's personal failings and demagoguery are all over the hadiths, and are directly responsible for social consequences obvious to an onlooker in Muslim societies today.
From child and domestic abuse, to needless killings and human rights violation with divine justifications provided for them.

Rightly said Bro.
Exaggeration is Lies redressed as truth: it pays no one.
The Islamic literatures unfortunately are many and speak different things from what the Standard Islamic narrative preaches.

IMAliyu:
Fair enough, I can't judge you for this.
Considering I'm stuck in a situation where for my personal safety and peace of mind I have to passively keep up a facade that I'm still a believer.
Before some wannabe jihadist decides they want me as a blood sacrifice.
And when thinking about how to navigate social and family situations and my future in this environment I'm filled with nothing but frustration with this religion and it's followers.
Though my problems just doesn't stop at Islam, it extends to pretty much all religions.

I can understand.
In any society where conformation to the standard expected is expected, it is difficult having an independent mind.
In Christianity, the opposite is the case: the FREEDOM of Religious inclinations allows for ANYONE to take ANY religious position without any serious repercussion. This looks like a BIG disadvantage however except that I see it as
Christianity is like a PARTY:
You can be invited to join AND you can leave at any time you feel like
Islam is like a PRISON:
You can be invited to join BUT you can leave at any time you feel like

Note:
I don't believe GOD that seeks people who will relate to Him only through FEAR of what other men would do to themt

IMAliyu:
Here's the thing though, your strategy can come off as an attack or mockery to a Muslim, and can have the negative effect of reinforcing the believers vs non-believers (kafir) narrative in their heads, and see your critique as nothing but an attempt by a kafir and shaytan to make them question their faith.
I don't think there is an effective full proof strategy that would work on anyone, but the most effective on me were one's involving fairness and general human empathy, when it came to bias and prejudice towards non-Muslims in Muslim environments, but I guess that's because I had some christian relatives, so I never developed that strong prejudice.

I think I sometime let my emotions get ahead of me in me making Muslims ask Questions. I try generally to approach issues from the Civil and Academic Logical manner with :
1. An Introduction to the Teaching of Islam (Actual or Standard narrative)
2. Follow-Up Questions which expose the Failure of the narrative.
Unfortunately, sometimes the response from some Muslims become an ATTACK on Christian Doctrine in other to change the subject of discussion and I am forced to respond in KIND.

On this particular thread, ALL was well until Anti-Christian raised the Issue of Pornography in the Book of Songs of Solomon in the Bible. Unfortunately, after a response to his question, I had to raise the issue of Jibril Blowing into Marys Farjah as a Man (ashamedly, not my normal way to do justice to the topic). I guess I don't yet have a better way of responding to such digressionary tactics.

I can relate to the fact that my Questions are set to EXPOSE FLAWS of reasoning in the Islamic Standard Narratives and thus difficult to answer HONESTLY without it affecting the faith of Muslims.

A Muslim can Leave Islam as a Religion ONLY if either
1. He has an Intellectual Conflict and is willing to Choose the Truth
2. He has a Spiritual Experience beyond Islam
3. He has an Emotional Experience beyond Islam
These doesn't automatically mean that if a person leaves Islam that he will choose the Messiah, but he can't choose the messiah while holding up to Islam.
Islam was designed to counter the purpose of the Messiah!

Your point:
"Your strategy can come off as an attack or mockery to a Muslim, and can have the negative effect of reinforcing the believers vs non-believers (kafir) narrative in their heads, and see your critique as nothing but an attempt by a kafir and shaytan to make them question their faith."
Is painfully valid!
BUT is FAITH (even in Christianity) supposed to be a BLIND allegiance to a Doctrine?

IMAliyu:
Like ask a Muslim would they be alright being treated as second class citizens, even if not themselves should other Muslims have to go through that, in non-Muslims countries, and be made to pay an extra special tax so they don't get attacked (Jizia). What do they think about a system that says that is morally alright? At least this would be my angle if I had the energy to engage nowadays.

Of cause no Muslim will appreciate to be at the receiving End of any kind of oppression: except that human nature justifies such!

I will like to ASK you a personal Question:
My Objective: to Help you understand the purpose of the Messiah in the World
IMAliyu: Why NOT Jesus?

If you have time, you may read these posts of mine.
https://www.nairaland.com/7471384/why-did-allah-send-jesus

https://www.nairaland.com/7530442/gospel-explained-muslims

https://www.nairaland.com/7682040/concept-sin-islam-versus-christianity


I don't mind any Questions from you.
Peace!

AntiChristian:
Yes your God has changed! He's no more brutal as before is He?


You should start that on your thread!
Assuming you lived in the OT, you or some members of your families would have been killed by now!

But you can't justify any of these killings and you just wish to divert!

LOL!

It is Allah Who changed from one who judged sin especially by his prophets eg David but later justify sin by his only prophet Mohammed!

It is Allah Who changed by not condoning sin especially by his prophets to one who give indulgence to sin to his only prophet Mohammed.

The Laws of Moses in the old testament are a mixture of
Civil Laws
Religious Laws
Health Laws
Temple Laws etc
For the CHILDREN of ISRAEL: the laws were not applicable to non Israelites or OUTSIDE Israel. The Laws are a product of COVENANT between God and Israel with consequences for violations.

So, to your Question :
Assuming I lived in the OT, you or some members of my families, God would have ignored me to a Large Extent as me nor my people never signed any AGREEMENT/COVENANT with God!


This is why the Time of Jesus is called NEW TESTAMENT applicable to the Whole WORLD!

Not withstanding : will you now answer my questions.


1. Is capital punishment Halal or Haram in ISLAM?

2. Is this Hadith below a Lie?
Sunan an-Nasa'i 4059
Ibn 'Abbas said:
"The Messenger of Allah [SAW] said: 'Whoever changes his religion, kill him."

AntiChristian:
K, Blackmailer!

LOL!
What did you do wrong?


Just imagine I claim not to hold any religion nor believe in any Scripture but I keep on writing about Islam. How would you respond?

I just showed you that in your quest to win an argument, you were willing to claim superiority in knowledge to your Prophet Mohammed. What does that make you? A good Muslim!?

It's the truth bro: you are not being blackmailed.

It's the inherent weakness and achiles heel of Islam. You claim the God, Prophet and Traditions of Jews and Christians: Yet at the same time, you want to Re-Write History!?

The shared narratives will haunt you!

AntiChristian:
Guy, Meshionu!

My post never for once mentioned the Prophet so once again, keep mute!
You can be silent as you have nothing to say here!
No excuse as Holy spirit no get subscription today!
Na to dey blackmail me remain!
Abegi!

I repeat :
If you can shamelessly oppose your prophet and your religion because you want to win an argument and you are not a professing Atheist, there exist no common ground of authority (scriptures and other religious literatures) to use I our conversation!

AntiChristian:
Do you determine who is Muslim and who is not?

I don't believe in your Bible in the first place!

Close the case you opened!

If you can shamelessly oppose your prophet and your religion because you want to win an argument and you are not a professing Atheist, there exist no common ground of authority (scriptures and other religious literatures) to use I our conversation!

QED!

AntiChristian:
Once again, the verses supposedly came before the time of Muhammad!
So stop the diversion!

It doesn't matter, has God changed?


Let's start from here!
1. Is capital punishment halal or Haram in ISLAM?


2. Is this Hadith below a Lie?

Sunan an-Nasa'i 4059
[b]Ibn 'Abbas said:
"The Messenger of Allah [SAW] said: 'Whoever changes his religion, kill him.'[/b] "

MightySparrow:
Islam is both Lielam and sexlam.

They are pissed off because the lies of Islam are exposed

AntiChristian:
Yes, I do to the extent the Bible writers made him!



Tell us simply how the OP is not a lie by just proving it!

Pray and let's see the answer!

Then case is closed!
You are No more a Muslim!

AntiChristian:
See diversion tactics! Let's just agree Jesus lied! And that's all!

You have nothing more to say!

Tell me, do you truly believe that the Jesus of the Christians is a Liar?

Please respond!



Further more, It is you doing diversion tactics!

And the Chief liar is the satanically inspired Mohammed. Just tell me that Mohammed was not under the spell of Black magic (satanic possession)

AntiChristian:
1) Capital Punishment Crimes:

Kill People Who Don’t Listen to Priests
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

Kill Witches
You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)

Kill Homosexuals
“If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.” (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

Kill Fortunetellers
A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

Death for Hitting Dad
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

Death for Cursing Parents
1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)

2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)

Death for Adultery
If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

Death for Fornication
A priest’s daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

Death to Followers of Other Religions
Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

Kill Nonbelievers
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Kill False Prophets
If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, “You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord.” When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)

Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. “The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him.” (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night
But if this charge is true (that she wasn’t a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father’s house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)

Kill Followers of Other Religions.
1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)

Death for Blasphemy
One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men. During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD’s name. So the man was brought to Moses for judgment. His mother’s name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan. They put the man in custody until the LORD’s will in the matter should become clear. Then the LORD said to Moses, “Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then let the entire community stone him to death. Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD’s name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD’s name will surely die. (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)

Kill False Prophets
1) Suppose there are prophets among you, or those who have dreams about the future, and they promise you signs or miracles, and the predicted signs or miracles take place. If the prophets then say, ‘Come, let us worship the gods of foreign nations,’ do not listen to them. The LORD your God is testing you to see if you love him with all your heart and soul. Serve only the LORD your God and fear him alone. Obey his commands, listen to his voice, and cling to him. The false prophets or dreamers who try to lead you astray must be put to death, for they encourage rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of slavery in the land of Egypt. Since they try to keep you from following the LORD your God, you must execute them to remove the evil from among you. (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT)

2) But any prophet who claims to give a message from another god or who falsely claims to speak for me must die.’ You may wonder, ‘How will we know whether the prophecy is from the LORD or not?’ If the prophet predicts something in the LORD’s name and it does not happen, the LORD did not give the message. That prophet has spoken on his own and need not be feared. (Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)

Infidels and Gays Should Die
So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other’s bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God’s death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)

Kill Anyone who Approaches the Tabernacle
For the LORD had said to Moses, ‘Exempt the tribe of Levi from the census; do not include them when you count the rest of the Israelites. You must put the Levites in charge of the Tabernacle of the Covenant, along with its furnishings and equipment. They must carry the Tabernacle and its equipment as you travel, and they must care for it and camp around it. Whenever the Tabernacle is moved, the Levites will take it down and set it up again. Anyone else who goes too near the Tabernacle will be executed.’ (Numbers 1:48-51 NLT)

Kill People for Working on the Sabbath
The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: ‘Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.’ (Exodus 31:12-15 NLT)

What do you think about all these?
TenQ
Mightysparrow
Ovacoma
Fzmasterz
Gaskiyamagana
43Ronin

Let's start from here!
Is capital punishment halal or Haram in ISLAM?
I want to know


I just remembered something :

Is this Hadith a Lie?

Sunan an-Nasa'i 4059
Ibn 'Abbas said:
"The Messenger of Allah [SAW] said: 'Whoever changes his religion, kill him.'"

This is no capital punishment!
Khai!

Lukuluku69:
[b]Matthew 4:18-22 (KJV) And Jesus, walking by the sea of Galilee, saw two brethren, Simon called Peter, and Andrew his brother, casting a net into the sea: for they were fishers.
And he saith unto them, Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men.
And they straightway left their nets, and followed him.
And going on from thence, he saw other two brethren, James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother, in a ship with Zebedee their father, mending their nets; and he called them.
And they immediately left the ship and their father, and followed him.

According to Matthew, he saw Simon and Andrew TOGETHER, asked them to follow him and they did TOGETHER

Mark 1:16-20 (KJV) Now as he walked by the sea of Galilee, he saw Simon and Andrew his brother casting a net into the sea: for they were fishers.
And Jesus said unto them, Come ye after me, and I will make you to become fishers of men.
And straightway they forsook their nets, and followed him.
And when he had gone a little further thence, he saw James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother, who also were in the ship mending their nets.
And straightway he called them: and they left their father Zebedee in the ship with the hired servants, and went after him.

According to Mark, he saw them TOGETHER and told them follow me and they did TOGETHER.

Luke was not that sure, so he left that part out of his own accounts

John 1:40-42 (KJV) One of the two which heard John speak, and followed him, was Andrew, Simon Peter's brother.
He first findeth his own brother Simon, and saith unto him, We have found the Messias, which is, being interpreted, the Christ.
And he brought him to Jesus. And when Jesus beheld him, he said, Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation, A stone.

John told us that it was Andrew who went looking for his brother Simon and not Jesus calling them together. Also that Andrew was signed on from The Baptist FC Team.

So, who should we believe?

Same stort different versions. Do they have different subscription with the Holy Spirit?

Answer this one for I have another question for you about the Holy Spirit o

Just like Ahmed Deedat and his Apprentice Zakir Naik, you are climbing the ropes to vagueness!
LOL!

I asked you a simple question

I guess I should ask you this Bible Study Question:
In John 1:35-42, how many months did Andrew spend with Jesus?

Since Allah doesn't need to pay subscription to anyone,
Tell me, since Allah wrote and dictated the Quran, why did he forget the order of creation.?
Did Allah forget or Mohammed edited Allah's words wrongly or Jubril forgot the Qur'an on his journey from paradise to the earth.?

Waiting!

AntiChristian:
No waste my time, gather your faith together you, ovacoma, mightysparrow, 43Ronin then pray for me to have 1million Kuwaiti dollars within a week!

If this doesn't work then these verses are all lies or we can then agree all of you are not righteous as Kobojunkie said!

Khai!
Just like the Atheists after they are flogged mercilessly!

Come back after you have gathered enough knowledge : you are below average

Lukuluku69:
Yeah see your Sunday School response

Lol. Go back to your Bible again and read slowly.

The synopsis agreed that Jesus found Andrew all by himself ( they cribbed from each other) while John submitted that Andrew started flowing Jesus when he went to see the Baptist. Lol.

The question to ask is this, Was he Andrew already aware of Jesus Mission pre Jesus Baptismal so much so that he started filling him him around? and if he is in the know, does he need the Baptist confirmation to that effect?

See the confidence with which you are lying for Jesus?

A donkey will remain a donkey even if you pack the whole books of the library on its back.

Read again:
If there is some things you don't understand, ask questions and I will respond. But answer my questions first

On the case of Jesus Disciples
Can you tell me the mismatched names? (for there is none I know)

On the Issue on Andrew:
John 1:35-42 show Andrew's encounter with Jesus occurred through the testimony of John the Baptist. John the Baptist identified Jesus as the Lamb of God, and two of John's disciples, Andrew and another unnamed disciple, followed Jesus after hearing this. Andrew then went to find his brother Simon Peter and brought him to Jesus, introducing Simon Peter to him as well.
At this time NONE of them has been Appointed as Apostles by Jesus!
Verse 39 “Come,” he replied, “and you will see.”
So they went and saw where he was staying, and they spent that day with him. It was about four in the afternoon.
Mathew 4:18-21 show Jesus APPOINTING Peter, Andrew James and John as Apostles
Verse 19-20 “Come, follow me,” Jesus said, “and I will send you out to fish for people.” 20 At once they left their nets and followed him.


Please next time, read for comprehension!
I guess I should ask you this Bible Study Question:
In John 1:35-42, how many months did Andrew spend with Jesus?


Answer my question and stop acting the clown!

AntiChristian:
The OP is about your Bible and not Islam! Stop shifting the goal post! We sabi that trick!
It is sheer foolishness trying to wriggle out of your biblical malady and horror with just that!
How does this explain the Holy spirit filled Bible and Jesus the prince of peace as regards the OP?

Where was Jesus the prince of peace during all these actions?

Is he among the sons of God that came to impregnate humans back then?

Have you Ever seen a boxing match where one person is asked not to hit back but just absorb the opponents punches!?
LOL!

Please respond!

I said that for the sake of winning an argument , you are willing to throw your esteemed Prophet Mohammed under the bus with this your post,
Please READ what your prophet said:

Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 38, Number 4434 Narrated Abdullah Ibn Umar:
A group of Jews came and invited the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) to Quff. So he visited them in their school.
They said: AbulQasim, one of our men has committed fornication with a woman; so pronounce judgment upon them. They placed a cushion for the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) who sat on it and said: Bring the Torah. It was then brought. He then withdrew the cushion from beneath him and placed the Torah on it saying: I believed in thee and in Him Who revealed thee.

Questions:
1. Was Mohammed telling LIES here?
2. Since ALL these are from the Torah, are you claiming you know better than your prophet?

AFTER you have AFFIRMED that Mohammed truly believed in the Holy RAPES (In the Torah) by answering these TWO questions directly (hopefully truthfully), we can proceed below

Wouldnt it be nice if you brought out one scripture after another to see how you thought the RAPE should go!?
You copied things without reading up what you copied,
Over to you

gaskiyamagana:
When you are done with jubril and Mary with your reverse reasoning, as l have said you will. talk about other hatred of yours on Islam.

I reported exactly what your Islamic books and literatures said.

The only thing I've added is questions to clarify

1. Is it UNTRUE that the Quran says that Jibril came to mary as a Perfect man?
2. Is is UNTRUE that Allah says THEY Blew into Mary's Farjah?

gaskiyamagana:
From the Name Allah, Al with the word Allah, Uthman Copy of Quran, now jubril and Mary - all out of pure hatred of Islam which is psychologically deadening your reasoning. After your jubril mouth action, what next in your reverse reasoning about Islam?

You speak like I am not saying exactly what the Quran says: the only thing I do extra is to ASK you Questions.

1. Is it UNTRUE that the Quran says that Jibril came to Mary as a Perfect man?
2. Is is UNTRUE that Allah says THEY Blew into Mary's Farjah?

If these two are both true,
Is this holy Cunnilingus by Jibril?
If Mary didn't see an Angel (come to her) but a man, how did he (Jubril) blow into Mary's Vagina?

What is Jubril's mouth doing on the vagina of Mary? What was he blowing into Mary's Vagina? I am struggling not to imagine how Jubril has to plug his mouth to fit Mary's Vagina for the purpose of Blowing!

Over to you!

AntiChristian:
Straight to the Point!

1) Murder, rape, and pillage at Jabesh-gilead (Judges 21:10-24 NLT)
So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children. “This is what you are to do,” they said. “Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin.” Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan.

The Israelite assembly sent a peace delegation to the little remnant of Benjamin who were living at the rock of Rimmon. Then the men of Benjamin returned to their homes, and the four hundred women of Jabesh-gilead who were spared were given to them as wives. But there were not enough women for all of them. The people felt sorry for Benjamin because the LORD had left this gap in the tribes of Israel. So the Israelite leaders asked, “How can we find wives for the few who remain, since all the women of the tribe of Benjamin are dead? There must be heirs for the survivors so that an entire tribe of Israel will not be lost forever. But we cannot give them our own daughters in marriage because we have sworn with a solemn oath that anyone who does this will fall under God’s curse.”

Then they thought of the annual festival of the LORD held in Shiloh, between Lebonah and Bethel, along the east side of the road that goes from Bethel to Shechem. They told the men of Benjamin who still needed wives, “Go and hide in the vineyards. When the women of Shiloh come out for their dances, rush out from the vineyards, and each of you can take one of them home to be your wife! And when their fathers and brothers come to us in protest, we will tell them, ‘Please be understanding. Let them have your daughters, for we didn’t find enough wives for them when we dest60royed Jabesh-gilead. And you are not guilty of breaking the vow since you did not give your daughters in marriage to them.'” So the men of Benjamin did as they were told. They kidnapped the women who took part in the celebration and carried them off to the land of their own inheritance. Then they rebuilt their towns and lived in them. So the assembly of Israel departed by tribes and families, and they returned to their own homes.

Obviously these women were repeatedly raped. These sick bastards killed and raped an entire town and then wanted more virgins, so they hid beside the road to kidnap and rape some more. How can anyone see this as anything but evil?

2) Murder, rape and pillage of the Midianites (Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)
They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.

Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. “Why have you let all the women live?” he demanded. “These are the very ones who followed Balaam’s advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD’s people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.

Clearly Moses and God approves of rape of virgins.

3) More Murder Rape and Pillage (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)
As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.

What kind of God approves of murder, rape, and slavery?

4) Laws of Rape (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NAB)[/color]
If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

[color=#990000]What kind of lunatic would make a rape victim marry her attacker? Answer: God.

5) Death to the Rape Victim (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)
If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.

It is clear that God doesn’t give a damn about the rape victim. He is only concerned about the violation of another mans “property”.

6) David’s Punishment – Polygamy, Rape, Baby Killing, and God’s “Forgiveness” (2 Samuel 12:11-14 NAB)
Thus says the Lord: ‘I will bring evil upon you out of your own house. I will take your wives [plural] while you live to see it, and will give them to your neighbor. He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight. You have done this deed in secret, but I will bring it about in the presence of all Israel, and with the sun looking down.’

Then David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord.” Nathan answered David: “The Lord on his part has forgiven your sin: you shall not die. But since you have utterly spurned the Lord by this deed, the child born to you must surely die.” [The child dies seven days later.]

This has got to be one of the sickest quotes of the Bible. God himself brings the completely innocent rape victims to the rapist. What kind of pathetic loser would do something so evil? And then he kills a child! This is sick, really sick!

7) Rape of Female Captives (Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB)
“When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house. But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive’s garb. After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife. However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion.”

Once again God approves of forcible rape.

Rape and the Spoils of War (Judges 5:30 NAB)
They must be dividing the spoils they took: there must be a damsel or two for each man, Spoils of dyed cloth as Sisera’s spoil, an ornate shawl or two for me in the spoil. (Judges 5:30 NAB)

9) Sex Slaves (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)
When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl’s owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

10) God Assists Rape and Plunder (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)
Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst. And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city. (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)

What do you think of all these rapes?
TenQ
Mightysparrow
Ovacoma
Fzmasterz
Gaskiyamagana

Unfortunately, you are willing to throw your esteemed Prophet Mohammed under the bus with this your post,
Please READ what your prophet said:

Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 38, Number 4434 Narrated Abdullah Ibn Umar:
A group of Jews came and invited the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) to Quff. So he visited them in their school.
They said: AbulQasim, one of our men has committed fornication with a woman; so pronounce judgment upon them. They placed a cushion for the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) who sat on it and said: Bring the Torah. It was then brought. He then withdrew the cushion from beneath him and placed the Torah on it saying: I believed in thee and in Him Who revealed thee.

Questions:
1. Was Mohammed telling LIES here?
2. Since ALL these are from the Torah, are you claiming you know better than your prophet?

AFTER you have AFFIRMED that Mohammed truly believed in the Holy RAPES (In the Torah) by answering these TWO questions directly (hopefully truthfully), we can proceed below

Wouldnt it be nice if you brought out one scripture after another to see how you thought the RAPE should go!?
You copied things without reading up what you copied,
Over to you

Lukuluku69:
Lol
And while at it, please my son was reading about how the Biblical Jesus gathered his Disciples, so we are having issues with their names! They are only Twelve but going thru the Gospel, the Twelve names did not match! Please TENQ my son need your assistance.

Also, you remember Andrew? The Synopsis says Jesus saw him while fishing but John says Andrew left the Baptist and followed Jesus. TENQ help my son unravel this Holy Ghost inspired confusion please....

On the case of Jesus Disciples
Can you tell me the mismatched names? (for there is none I know)

On the Issue on Andrew:
John 1:35-42 show Andrew's encounter with Jesus occurred through the testimony of John the Baptist. John the Baptist identified Jesus as the Lamb of God, and two of John's disciples, Andrew and another unnamed disciple, followed Jesus after hearing this. Andrew then went to find his brother Simon Peter and brought him to Jesus, introducing Simon Peter to him as well.
At this time NONE of them has been Appointed as Apostles by Jesus!
Verse 39 “Come,” he replied, “and you will see.”
So they went and saw where he was staying, and they spent that day with him. It was about four in the afternoon.
Mathew 4:18-21 show Jesus APPOINTING Peter, Andrew James and John as Apostles
Verse 19-20 “Come, follow me,” Jesus said, “and I will send you out to fish for people.” 20 At once they left their nets and followed him.


Please next time, read for comprehension!
I guess I should ask you this Bible Study Question:
In John 1:35-42, how many months did Andrew spend with Jesus?

AntiChristian:
I just need all Christians reading this to have faith and pray for me to have just 1 million Kuwaiti Dollar within one week, they say miracle no dey tire Jesus! Lol!

1) And Jesus answered and said to them, “Truly I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, `Be taken up and cast into the sea,’ it will happen. “And all things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive.” (Matthew 21:21-22 NAS)

2) Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened. (Matthew 7:7-8 NAB)

3) Again I say to you, that if two of you agree on earth about anything that they may ask, it shall be done for them by My Father who is in heaven. For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst. (Matthew 18:19-20 NAS)

4) Amen, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, ‘Be lifted up and thrown into the sea,’ and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it shall be done for him. Therefore I tell you, all that you ask for in prayer, believe that you will receive it and it shall be yours. (Mark 11:24-25 NAB)

5) And I tell you, ask and you will receive; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened. (Luke 11:9-13 NAB)

6) And whatever you ask in my name, I will do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask anything of me in my name, I will do it. (John 14:13-14 NAB)

7) If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask for whatever you want and it will be done for you. (John 15:7 NAB)

It was not you who chose me, but I who chose you and appointed you to go and bear fruit that will remain, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name he may give you. (John 15:16 NAB)

9) On that day you will not question me about anything. Amen, amen, I say to you, whatever you ask the Father in my name he will give you. Until now you have not asked anything in my name; ask and you will receive, so that your joy may be complete. (John 16:23-24 NAB)

A lot of Christians ignore what Jesus actually says in the Bible. They also tend to add things to the actual words to make them say something else. If you honestly and truthfully read these quotes, without adding to them, it is very easy to see that Jesus is not saying that God will think about your prayers. He says God will grant all your prayers. Clearly, God doesn’t grant all prayers and this proves that the Biblical Jesus was a habitual liar.

What do you think about all these statements?
TenQ
Mightysparrow
Ovacoma
Fzmasterz
Gaskiyamagana

The Words of Jesus are Perfectly said bro and I stand by EVERYTHING.
I have experienced His words work in my life and in the lives of others.

There is a condition however: My FAITH!
Sometimes I have enough for my request and many times I fail to have the necessary faith!
I am still learning from Him.
If my Faith is not enough for my request, it is my Fault not the Words of Christ!

The walk of Faith is a work in progress as Jesus often corrects His own disciples and say "Why did you doubt"?
Matt 14:31
And immediately Jesus stretched out His hand and caught him, and said to him, “O you of little faith, why did you doubt?”
Matt 8:25-26
25The disciples went and woke Him, saying, “Lord, save us! We are perishing!” 26 “You of little faith,” Jesus replied, “why are you so afraid?” Then He got up and rebuked the winds and the sea, and it was perfectly calm.


Let me give you an Understanding of Faith:
FAITH is like a Spiritual Currency!
A Faith worth (say N50) is still Faith: however it can only purchase small things,
BUT it is NOT enough to Purchase anything higher than what the Faith is Worth!

Every spiritual demand has its Faith Value, the question is if my faith is enough for it.

AntiChristian:
Overshadowed means holly spirit slept with Mary according to Luke 1:35!
Why use that word "overshadow"?
Damn the Bible writers!
More so, Angels no dey sleep, eat, drink, have sex, or desires in Islam! They perfectly obey the command of Allah unlike humans and jinn that have free will!
Na Bible talk say Angels dey sleep with women give them belle, God dey get 32 virgins tribute from war booty, God fought Jacob and lose, Holy spirit overshadowed Mary till he was pregnant of the son of God, God became flesh to pass through the human veejay to become helpless as a baby, then grow up like any human! God ate, grew to puberty, had wet dreams,till he was killed!

God died for sometime!
Lol!

The stupidity in your claims is beyond understanding
1. Is it TRUE that your Allah says that he is the God of the people of the Book?

2. Is Allah telling Lies here
Quran 29:46
Argue not with the People of the Book except in the fairest manner, unless it be those of them that are utterly unjust. Say to them: “We believe in what was revealed to us and what was revealed to you. One is our God and your God; and we are those who submit ourselves to Him.”

Unfortunately, Allah has roped you with a rope you cannot untie.

Only if Allah is a LIAR to you can his words mean NOTHING for the sake of winning an argument!

The ball is in Your Court:

You haven't answered my question
Is this holy Cunnilingus by Jibril?
If Mary didn't see an Angel (come to her) but a man, how did he (Jubril) blow into Mary's Vagina?

What is Jubril's mouth doing on the vagina of Mary? What was he blowing into Mary's Vagina? I am struggling not to imagine how Jubril has to plug his mouth to fit Mary's Vagina for the purpose of Blowing!

Over to you!

gaskiyamagana:
Has not yours deprived imagination run wild with wrong interpretation of events that led to Mary's conceivement of Jesus in the Qur'an?
Raw Porn words and actions l qouted, not wrong interpretation. Poem or whatever you want to use to cover them is meaningless as long as they are found in the Bible, supposedly Word of God.

Tell me, what can be worse than Allah or Jubril coming as a man to perform MouthAction on Mary?

You haven't still answered my question
Is this holy Cunnilingus by Jibril?
If Mary didn't see an Angel (come to her) but a man, how did he (Jubril) blow into Mary's Vagina?


What is Jubril's mouth doing on the vagina of Mary? What was he blowing into Mary's Vagina? I am struggling not to imagine how Jubril has to plug his mouth to fit Mary's Vagina for the purpose of Blowing!

Over to you!