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AntiChristian:
Lah means "for him/it" in Arabic!

La is negation i.e. No.

So your logic is flawed!

AntiChristian:
I asked what Arabic letter starts Allah?

What was dropped?

Is it a letter?

What's the grammatical ruling on it when it is at the beginning of a sentence and at the middle/end of a sentence?

AntiChristian:
The Allah has a "Shaddah" on the "Lam" so it is double "L".

You need to answer the grammatical questions above in bold!

AntiChristian:
Yahweh is a concoction! YHWH is what is correct! And it's not pronounced! So if what you are saying is true then what is OP saying?

LegalWolf:
LOL!



I know you have been corrected countlessly, La in Arabic actually means No/None. It is Ilah that means god. Apparently, the delusions of Yhwh is extremely potent on you!

LegalWolf:
LOL!

But EL is a is a specific (proper name) for a Deity too and that is from the language of the Canaanite that IsraEL comes from. And this point, you cannot deny despite yhwh's potent delusion! Link to the research article has been provided on this forum!



LOL A SPECIFIC NAME FOR THE DEITY OF ABRAHAM, ISAAC AND JACOB THAT THEY DO NOT KNOW - SEE EXODUS 6:2! , A specific name of a DADDY that the SONS do not know. LOL! Or did Abraham, Isaac and Jacob know El-Shaddai by Yhwh has clearly stated in Exodus 6:2?

Your argument is always peurile and your Daddy's example infantile at best. Let us break it down. Despite the fact that I did not ask you, you have said El is a Semitic word for Deity. Assuming this is wholly true, what specific deity is ILAH amongst pre-Islamic Arabs? And if you insist that LAH is a name of a God, please bring, your proof. We all cannot help with your hallucinations

LegalWolf:
LOL!

LOL! Even your Bible would disagree with you on this. I asked a very simple question the other time that you missed:

1. Why is El called Shaddai and not Yhwh Shaddai?

What point exactly are you trying to make. It is not by muddling up issues that you make sense. I would have advised you to call advocatejare but he also cannot properly articulate his thoughts! Disaster!

I have recommended research articles and even provided a link which clearly shows the connection between El of the Canaanite Pantheon and how it was brought into Hebrew Language. All your useless hypothesis of Yhwh being a personal name for God is bunkum as it is not grounded in common sense.



You can read my explanation on this platform to which you have been mentioned countlessly. Yhwh ≠ Allah. Congratulations Mr. TenQ

LegalWolf:
TenQ,

I have a question for you: what was the 'personal name' that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob knew God? At least, we are very certain that they do not know him by Yhwh right? So what personal name do they know him?

Advocatejare may whisper words into your ears but I will only respond to you

AntiChristian:
What's the difference?

TenQ:
Aren't the Rule of Arabic grammar consistent?

Tell me how you write and contract Allah in

Alhamdudi-Lah or Bismil- Lah
BUT
You don't in The declaration of your faith?
You don't write: La illah illa LAH ?
لا إله إلا الله محمد رسول الله

Just explain!?

AntiChristian:
Alhamduli-LLah

Bismi-LLah

Laa illaha illa LLAH

1.Where is Lah and where is Allah?

2. What Arabic Letter starts "Allah"?

LegalWolf:
LOL!

TenQ read!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Some say readers are leaders. Go broaden your range and sharpen your critical thinking skills!




Anyways, I had actually wanted you to read and like a true herder, carefully guide you to light. But it appears you are so much in love with ignorance and you will miss this opportunity. Your folks attribute Allah (from [i ]Ilah [/i] to moon god etc.) However, all I wanted to show was that both El and Ilah are derivatives of the same source! But does that mean we all worship the gods of Canaan?

I may have given you this similitude before. Yoruba Christians and Muslims worship 'Olorun' or 'Olodumare', is that not correct? However is Olodumare of the Yoraba Pantheon = Yhwh? Again, many Yoruba thinks Biblical Satan = Esu, but are they the same? The example is not local. Zeus is approximated to Jupiter at Rome same with Pter and we can go on and on. There is even a name for it in religious studies!

God has given you and one advocatejare properly functioning brain. Think!

cc: Hissplendor

AntiChristian:
So what is "Yahweh" in Arabic and Hausa Bibles translated by your eminent scholars?

Yahweh became Rabb in Arabic!

And Ubangiji in Hausa! Note that Ubangiji is even the head/greatest of all gods in folklore Hausa!

Alhamdulillahi [b]Rabb al alameen Qur'an 1:1[/b]

All you typed still remain lies!

Your translators have proven you wrong!

LegalWolf:
LOL!

TenQ read!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Some say readers are leaders. Go broaden your range and sharpen your critical thinking skills!




Anyways, I had actually wanted you to read and like a true herder, carefully guide you to light. But it appears you are so much in love with ignorance and you will miss this opportunity. Your folks attribute Allah (from [i ]Ilah [/i] to moon god etc.) However, all I wanted to show was that both El and Ilah are derivatives of the same source! But does that mean we all worship the gods of Canaan?

I may have given you this similitude before. Yoruba Christians and Muslims worship 'Olorun' or 'Olodumare', is that not correct? However is Olodumare of the Yoraba Pantheon = Yhwh? Again, many Yoruba thinks Biblical Satan = Esu, but are they the same? The example is not local. Zeus is approximated to Jupiter at Rome same with Pter and we can go on and on. There is even a name for it in religious studies!

God has given you and one advocatejare properly functioning brain. Think!

cc: Hissplendor

AntiChristian:
What's the difference?

AntiChristian:
We need to prove you lied about "LAH"!

If them born you well translate to Arabic!

Since you refuse to know Arabic Grammar of Hamzat al Wasl, Sun and moon letters in Arabic.

LegalWolf:
I don’t and don’t claim to know. But what I do know is as follows:

1. Canaanite is a catch all phrase for people living in the land of Canaan. These includes Phoenicians, Moabites, philistines etc.

2. That El is the Supreme deity of the Canaanite pantheon.

3. That Hebrew language (just like Arabic) is relatively younger than Canaanite languages and is a probably derivative.

4. That El, understood as God in Hebrew, is traceable to the Canaanite El.

For these propositions, I recommended a research article to you on the origin of Canaanite religion yesterday. Have you read it?

TenQ:
Please answer these Questions
Jubril and Ismail are meaningful Hebrew names in the Qur'an. What do they mean!?

I await your "smart" answer as usual!?

AntiChristian:
Translate it first!

Just the way you did Allah!

The Sun is Al-Shams pronounced Ash-Shams!

LegalWolf:
Lol, since my answer is going to be evasive and stupid, why await it ehn Mr Prosecution TenQ?

AntiChristian:
Arabic is different from Yoruba language truly just as English you are using to judge is different from Arabic!
Stop being ignorant!

Learn Hamzat al wasl, Sun and Moon letters of Arabic. You'll understand your grammatical blunder!

LegalWolf:
The Wolf would always devour the lamb!

LegalWolf 2022

Lol! It’s your own mass of nonsense that makes sense, right?

LW: Simple question: where is your source that Al ever meant god in Arabic? ? (Commentary: this question is apposite as you claimed “Al” replaces “El” in Hebrew!)

TenQ: Bula Ba Baba Blue Shri ejxgej jrnksvxhe Chen In essence: just pure vibes and cruise without sense.

LW: (Simple Question): Was El, who the Jews derived ELOAH or its plural variant Elohim, a Canaanite god I or not?

TenQ: …….

LW: Do you know that quite a lot of biblical scholars (I’ll want to express the opinion that they are almost unanimous) are of the view that yhwh was originally a son of EL/ELYON/ELOAH ?

TenQ: ……..

LW: And if you do not know this, do you know that the original version of Deut 32: 8 - 9 originally read “ according to the number of the children of El” and not Israel?

TenQ: …….

Lol! You “learned” about a fact? Contrary to the facade u put up, I have never seen you to be a smart person. Nah! Just pure vibes and nzogbu nzogbu Iberiberism styled intellectualism.

When you are able to answer those four questions logically, come back to me. If not, I’ll return to the silence mode. In the meantime, ask yourself this soul searching questions:

1. Am I for the truth or here to win an argument?

2. Does my faith have to be blind?

Cheers to a beautiful morning!

AntiChristian:
How do you write Servant of the Sun in Arabic?

haekymbahd:
if YHWH of Jews which have no son is not the same with YHWH of christians with a son.

Why do you claim Allah of Muslims with no son/daughter is the same with pagan Allah with daughters?

haekymbahd:
I repeat Arab christians and Jews refer to God as Allah before Islam how did they derive this name...

To christians and Jews What does this generic name "ALLAH" mean?


Allah of the Muslims and Jews has no son he is solely one, while the Allah of the christians has a son and the pagan Allah has daughters?

YHWH himself claim he appeared to Abraham as God Almighty and wasn't know by YHWH. Why would he respond to such name if it isn't his name?

haekymbahd:
I repeat Arab christians and Jews refer to God as Allah before Islam how did they derive this name...

To christians and Jews What does this generic name "ALLAH" mean?


Allah of the Muslims and Jews has no son he is solely one, while the Allah of the christians has a son and the pagan Allah has daughters?

YHWH himself claim he appeared to Abraham as God Almighty and wasn't know by YHWH. Why would he respond to such name if it isn't his name?

haekymbahd:
so what is God/Eloah in Arabic..

You once claim Allah is a proper name of the Muslim God. How did the Arab christians and Jews derive this name for God since they used it before Islam...

AntiChristian:
We have tried our best to correct this your "LAH" lies but you won't hear!

You can tell lies o!

TenQ:
Are all names of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Sometimes, the El (Hebrew) or Al (Arabic) is replaced with THE to emphasize the uniqueness of the Deity.

haekymbahd:
In Arabic:
Al replaces El
Examples:
The three Daughters of Allah
Al-Manat = god Manat
Al-Lat. = god Lat
Al-Uzza. = god Uzza
AND the Islamic God himself
Al-Lah. = god Lah


Even your prophet's father's name is
Abdul-Lah= Servant of Lah INSTEAD of Abdul-Allah

haekymbahd:
Tell us who do you think LAH is?


Al in Arabic does not mean "god" but the definite article "the".

TenQ:
Are all names of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Sometimes, the El (Hebrew) or Al (Arabic) is replaced with THE to emphasize the uniqueness of the Deity.

haekymbahd:
In Arabic:
Al replaces El
Examples:
The three Daughters of Allah
Al-Manat = god Manat
Al-Lat. = god Lat
Al-Uzza. = god Uzza
AND the Islamic God himself
Al-Lah. = god Lah


Even your prophet's father's name is
Abdul-Lah= Servant of Lah INSTEAD of Abdul-Allah

AntiChristian:
We have tried our best to correct this your "LAH" lies but you won't hear!

You can tell lies o!

LegalWolf:
LOL!

The point concisely stated is simple: you guys are straw manning! You will now wonder where on Earth I should start discussing with you guys on logic. Like, just cruise and pure vibes.



I have three problems with this your assertion, Mr. 'Prosecution TenQ'. First of, you did not answer my simple question which which is whether El, the basis for Eloah, was a Canaanite God or not. This question remains unanswered and I will beg you to answer that question.

Second, you said 'El' is a 'Semitic word' which means deity. This is true, to a very limited extent. In fact, this does not reflect the ancient understanding of the word. Let me invite you to read this interesting research article on the history of the Canaanite religion (and the implication on the Bible as we have it) and let me know your opinion - https://compass.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1749-8171.2006.00010.x If you cannot get access, let me know so I can arrange for it.

The point that must be stressed is a very simple one: El is BOTH a personal and generic name for God of the Canaanite and this was transposed to Hebrew! Simple and Short.

Finally, you have gone to bring three proofs that confirms my point:

El - Shadda means El the Most High
Elohim means Gods
El Elyon means God the Highest

So what exactly are you trying to prove with this? If not anything, this conforms that 'El' is a personal name for God in Hebrew so as it was in Canaan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Or why is it not Yhwh Shaddai but El?


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Smiles

Please where is the source of your proposition that 'Al' in arabic EVER meant god? I am quite curious because I have never come across any source to that effect despite my study of Islam and Arabic. In fact, any authority on both the modern and classical Arabic understanding of the word 'Al' to mean god will be appreciated.

Because, I call myself s "Al-Fulani' or 'Al-Kwarawiyy' at times. Does that mean I am god Fulani or god Kwara? Ehn 'Mr. Prosecution TenQ'?



Ignorant, adamant, and ludicrous rants! Ideally, I should have thrown jabs at you but I want to keep this civil. I had an interesting conversation with a christian and let us see if I can with you as well. So, please let us know your 'evidences' to us sir

Modified: Just to restate the questions you have attempted :
1. Was El, who the Jews derived ELOAH or its plural variant Elohim, a Canaanite God or not?
2. Where is your source that 'Al' ever meant 'god' in both classical or modern Arabic ?

Two further questions to consider that Advocatejare ran away from:
3. Do you know that quite a lot of biblical scholars (I’ll want to express the opinion that they are almost unanimous) are of the view that yhwh was originally a son of EL/ELYON/ELOAH ?

4. And if you do not know this, do you know that the original version of Deut 32: 8 - 9 originally read “ according to the number of the children of El” and not Israel?



cc: Advocatejare

AntiChristian:
Isaiah 45:7 says YHVH created good and evil! So that's the reason!

Paul was wrong to have used Elohim for satan!

advocatejare:
LegalWolf, Lukuluku69 and his likes always think that writing long meaningless things will confuse us, they don’t know that we read them and see how empty their useless rants are.
Let’s keeping teaching them sense

Prechgold1180:
Good evening house

Sorry to bore you with my issues


My mum and dad separated 24 years ago

Reason for separation
My only biological bro died from malaria
My dad was unable to come up with money for treatment

My mum moved out took me with her
She remarried 2 years after
Gave birth to 4 leaving me with 4 step sibling
Some years back I heard my mum saying my dad has other children ( I don’t even know them ) I don’t even know my dad

I am a graduate now

So comfortable in life
Got lands houses and cars to my name

My problem now is I feel empty whenever I think of my dad
More like I don’t know my root

I plan on visiting mums home for Christmas
The problem is she hates my dad so much
any thing about that topic gets her angry

I don’t know how to convince to go show me my dads house

I don’t know possible ways to get her to show me my dad hus

Don’t even know if my dad is good
Don’t even know his family
Don’t even know my village
Everything I call family is just from my mother side

Zero from my dad side
I wish I can know them

LegalWolf:
LOL!

You are quite an interesting person. You have written over a hundred posts and a cross-check of many of your posts is laughable at best. But that is not the issue. Let me go to the core points here:



Off course not. The only thing this shows is that you are not credentialed enough for me to spend my time on. If your subsequent posts does not hit the issue on the head, I will laugh as usual and ignore. I gotta make this money, man!




Smiles! Again, you are such an interesting person. Remember you cannot teach what you know not, or can you? Please know that this does NOT answer the very simple question. I don't know if what is appearing on your screen is different from mine or does it appear that I asked you for the meaning of El?

Real 'advocates' will say the issue here is a very narrow one that should not muddled up. Let me put it in highlight so you can see the question clearly:

Was El, who the Jews derived ELOAH or its plural variant Elohim, a Canaanite God or not?



Smiles! Off course, anything not found in the scripture is unacceptable. But you once said here:

(underline mine)

Apparently, you made reference to texts/sources outside the Quran to deduce this when engaging Antichristian and haekymbahd, or am I wrong in my assumption? If I am wrong, which it will be interesting, can you point out to the 'scriptural' source for this? (and even remember that literally, hadith and sunnah are not scriptures). It will be interesting to see, honestly.

And again, have you ever bothered to know which point in Islamic history that moon was used as our 'sign' on minarets and the context behind it? (Anyways, this is irrelevant)



Again, you did not answer my question. To respond to you, and as far as I know, the texts in which Deuteronomy was based is the Leningrad Codex (LC) which is dated around 1000 years or so ago. But there is a more juicy text - the Dead See Scrolls. This texts is at least 2000 years old and I must admit that it contains quite a lot of similarity to the LC. However, there are some important if not fundamental differences and one of which is Deut 32: 8 - 9.

The Dead See Scrolls is currently held in Israel and this website provides an helpful insight to the texts as we have them. Please you can have a look at it.

http://dssenglishbible.com/deuteronomy%2032.htm

In fact, to the best of my knowledge - that verse clearly reads bny el in the oldest extant variant of the bible we have and not bn yisra'el! So apparently, you guys do what you know how to do best



LOL! You answered no question of mine. Absolutely no question of mine was answered and all you did was just to throw tantrums. When you are not rooted in logic, common sense and reason, this is what is expected. And this is why lukuluku69 always call you all to think rather than wasting time with you!

Anyways, TenQ has said he wants to write a topic on this issue. I really hope one day he does. And when he does, I hope he takes cognizance of the Older Texts of the Bible, historical nuances and what credible research (ers) have said on the topic and not cussing/insults. You will agree with me that cussing is atypical of what is expected of reasonable people, or am I wrong on this too?