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tctrills:
Oga read your bible. No weapon formed against me shall prosper.
Don't you believe the word of God. Haba.
Do you even know what it means to be born again?

Have you ever been used by Christ to cast out Demons?

Mar 16:17:
"And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;"

It is what you regularly see in ministry.

MadamExcellency:
Demonized means possessed

You meant "can be influenced and misguided".

Possession Covey ownership. Demons don't own anyone unless you sell yourself to them

Can a demon create a human being?
So, how can they own what they don't own!

tctrills:
Once you are truly born again and you have the Holy Ghost in you, not curse or demon can be in you.
Many Christians think that the Holy Ghost is all about speaking unknown languages. It is much more than that.
If you are born of the spirit, you are sanctified. No unclean thing can dwell in you.

This is where you get it wrong. It is NOT about demons residing in a person, it is a matter of demons afflicting a person.

All Christians can cast out demons, once you have a few experiences, you will understand that some very serious and committed Christians can be demonized (I didn't say possessed)

tctrills:
Oga what does it mean to be born again.
Let me educate you.
It means to be cleaned from all sin.
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God—

To be born again mean to become a new creature being washed in the blood of Christ.

The blood of Christ is enough to wash away all sins and curses.

Stop combining African beliefs with Christianity.

I used to hold this view too.

Demonisation is a form of spiritual sickness. It may affect the body, soul or spirit of a person.

Except for grace if you have malaria or typhoid fever when you are getting born again, it doesn't just go even though by His stripes you are healed.

ebubeson:
If someone gets born again, will the person still be affected by past ancestral Bondages or curses? Please contribute... in situations were you offended someone and the person cursed, you may have to go back to apologize or return what you stole..

Please contribute!

Yes!
Jesus saved the Spirit of man from eternal damnation and destruction.

Demons and unclean spirits are spiritual equivalents of microbes such as Bacteria, Virus and other infectious organisms. They infect the Body, Soul or Spirit of a person. The infected is called demonized (not possessed).

Now, demons can be ejected through several routes
1. Spiritual Sanitation:
When a person obeys the Word of God and lives according to the dictates of the Holy spirit. They have created an environment that is NOT conducive to many unclean spirits and thus are delivered.
2. Affirmation of God's Word:
This is an act of faith in which a believer confesses by faith God's promises in the scriptures on him.
3. Direct Command;
A Christian standing in the Authority of Christ and His blood commands demons and unclean spirits out, frustrate their existence in your life in faith and power of the Holy Spirit. This many times is not a once and for all activity. Some demons are stubborn and some may require fasting in addition to directly confronting the demons.
4. Prayer from a Minister:
Sometimes, a Christian may require the fervent prayer of an experienced deliverance Minister (all Christians can actually cast out demons if only they will act in faith)
5. Removal of Items of Demons:
This is more like a physical sanitation. Removal of Occult books, Pornographic materials, Charms, amulets , and anything that connects one to satan.
6. Finally At Salvation:
Some people get totally delivered at the point of their salvation. It is the work of grace.


Demons and Unclean spirits do NOT own anyone. They are like rabid dogs that have stayed in front of a house for so long that they assume ownership.

It takes only holy violence to establish the kingdom of God in a demonized person

Mat 11:12:
"And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and the violent take it by force."


Finally
There is no formula. It is a case by case basis.

Shalom

nocera:
IDOLS – WHAT ARE THEY?

The English dictionary defines idols as; "a graven image or REPRESENTATION of ANYTHING that is REVERED, or believed to convey spiritual power."
In the above definition we can see that idols are not only sculptured images or graphic representations but ANYTHING or ANYONE that is held in UNUSUALLY high esteem – and is often regarded as the perfect reference, the final answer to every thought, idea or concept.
There are FOUR types of idols and FOUR ways humans are affected by them.

1. Idols in the HAND — idols in the hand are those things we have that have effectively taken the place of God in our lives. They include; ungodly hobbies, friends and associates, bad habits, jobs, phones, clothes, TV shows etc.
Idols in the hand are WHAT YOU HAVE OR DO. Mark 10:21.

2. Idols in the HEAD — idols in the head are false beliefs and erroneous doctrines, personal philosophies, ideas and opinions etc. Idols in the head are WHAT YOU THINK YOU KNOW.
2 Corinthians 10:5.

3. Idols in the HEART — idols in the heart can be our achievements, pride, titles, awards, influence, attitude, talents or gifts. Idols in your heart is WHO YOU THINK YOU ARE. Ezekiel 14:4.

4. Idols in the HOUSE — the idols in your house are those dedications done outside the church of Christ, they can be your traditions and cultures, family shrines or altars, demonic community customs and practises, etc. The idols in your house is WHERE YOU COME FROM. Ezekiel 8:10, Judges 6:25.

These are four ways we allow idols to exist in our lives.

The Bible says "LITTLE CHILDREN, keep yourselves from idols. 1 John 5:21." You see, little children can be taken in idolatry, either through video games, social media or partying.
The Bible also admonishes ... "Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry." 1 Corinthians 10:14. Idolatry can be abandoned.
Ungodly habits or hobbies can be stopped.

Household idols, demonic customs and traditions can be destroyed.
Revelation 12:11 "And they overcame him by the BLOOD OF THE LAMB, and by THE WORD of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

All it takes to break the power of idols in our lives is determination, repentance, the Blood of Jesus Christ, the Word of God and faith.

Shalom.

Perfectly said:
Even Atheists have idols that take the place of God in their hearts.

Remain blessed!

OddsDoc:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vanguardngr.com/2022/12/why-ill-vote-peter-obi-oby-ezekwesili/amp/

I am a full blooded Yoruba man. But in this case it's the turn of the Ibos to produce a President. Peter Obi is well above qualified!

Let's join hands together to bring him in

AntiChristian:
It's none of my business whatever you use as all of you have been using some material already from antimuslim sites!

Okay. Thanks for the oportunity to use shia literatatures

You want to change topic, jumping about like monkeys on the tree?
I'll oblige you.

AntiChristian:
Why was the New testament in Greek when Jesus was Hebrew?
All the "Thalita kum", "Eli Eli Lamar Sabacthani" were in what language?

Hebrew was the language of the Jewish scholars, of Worship and of the scriptures. But Jesus's "everyday" spoken language was Aramaic. This was why many Jews did not understand Jesus saying in Hebrew "Eli Eli Lama Sabachthani" and they thought he was calling Elijah. By the way, hebrew fell out of use because of several years of slavery thus mst people spoke syrian language Aramaic.
Matthew 27:47
46About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?” which means, “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?” 47When some of those standing there heard this, they said, “He is calling Elijah.”

Jesus was learned, He spoke both Hebrew and Aramaic.

AntiChristian:
Except you can prove that paradise has already been opened in your Bible and people have started entering it.
The Jehovah witness do not believe in those new paradise or hell you believe in!
So I still stay with my previous opinion! There was no comma in what Jesus said!
Even if your Jesus died for three days. He didn't go to any paradise with anyone!
The verse is simply an example of fallacy of accent. And they're are more examples! Trinitarians made Jesus into what he's not!

And i used your PREFERRED rendition didn't I !?
I said:

Luk 23:42-43:
"42. And he said to Jesus, Lord, remember me when you come into your kingdom.
43. And Jesus said to him, Truly I say to you today, you shall be with me in paradise."

It DOESN'T Change ANYTHING about the power of Christ to guarantee Paradise for anyone.

According to the bible, the place called Paradise in NOT on earth. It is a depiction of a place in Heaven.
2Corinthian 12: 4
After the Judgement, the Bible speaks of a NEW heaven and a NEW Earth, this is the destination of the Righteous.
Revelation 21:1-2

AntiChristian:
I have answered you appropriately!
1. The word of Allah "be" is not Jesus!
Whenever He intends to create anything Allah says to it "be" and it exist.

So whatever Allah wishes to die will die!
Everything Allah created is a word from Allah! They will all die except Allah!

I never siad that you said that Jesus was "BE"!
I said:
Jesus was not created by BE!
This was how Jesus was "created" according to the Quran. Allah stated clearly
Quran 21:91
"And the one who guarded her vagina, so We blew into her through Our angel, and We made her and her son a sign for the worlds."
Quran 66:12
"And [the example of] Mary, the daughter of 'Imran, who guarded Vagina , so We blew into her through Our angel, and she believed in the words of her Lord and His scriptures and was of the devoutly obedient."

Is BLOWING the same as COMMANDING?
There was no "BE"!

I ASKED YOU:
Can ANY of the Attribute of God DIE?
Are you saying that Allah can cause any of His attributes to die and He still remain Allah?

AntiChristian:
2. Once again Allah is not a spirit nor has a spirit! He created the spirit into Adam and Jesus. The breath of Allah as regards Jesus is same as breath on Adam. Adam died! Jesus too will! Angels are sent at a point to validate each of the fertilizations that takes place!

How do you know that Allah is not a SPIRIT?
Prove that Allah is NOT a Spirit with just one Quran verse. LOL!!

Allah says on the issue of spirits you have been given little knowledge.

AntiChristian:
3. Spirit is not an attribute of Allah! Word of Allah too! As i have highlighted "word of Allah" can mean the books of Allah!
They are just Jesus nickname friend of Allah of Ibrahim!

In this context of discuss, Nafs and Spirit is the same!

It's a common misconception that a human is composed of body, soul and spirit. But Adam was created from earth!

Allah breath into him the soul/spirit! Same in Genesis!

As regards "Ruh", it's the same as spirit! And it can be also be Angel Gabriel depending on the context! It's a creation of Allah!

When we die we enter another world which is where we exist till the day of resurrection! We remain dead to this world!

Jesus did not die. Christians says he died!
So if he died and he's one with God then they all died together! And if he died alone then when he's dead only the father and spirit remain! This is duality!

But on the cross he questioned his father for abandoning him.

How can Ruh be the same as Nafs?
Did Allah say he hasn't given you knowledge of the Nafs? Of course he did!
Of course I understand that as Muslims you don't know much about the Ruh therefore it would be impossible for you to make any equivocal statement about them. Anything you say about the Ruh is a conjecture. The Ruh (spirit) is different from the Nafs(soul) my dear. Does the Qur'an not speak about the three states of the Nafs (Nafs-ul-Ammarah, Nafs-ul-Lawwamah and Nafs-ul-Mutmainnah)? Allah/Mohammed did not explain to you Muslims what the Ruh is!

Anything you say about the Ruh is a conjecture: stay with that truth!

As Christians, we know the Difference between the Body, the Soul and the Spirit. In fact God is a Spirit.
Jesus said:
John 4:24
God is Spirit, and His worshipers must worship Him in spirit and in truth.”
Another verse
[b]2 Corinthians 3:17-18
Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.[/b]

All you can say of the Ruh is CONJECTURES : if NOT, I Challenge you to prove all your assertions with the Quran.


The major Question I asked was
If it is true that Jesus died,
1. Can the Word of Allah die?
2. Can the Spirit of Allah die?
3. Can a Messanger of Allah die?

A simpler Question:
Is it true that you Muslims claim that the Quran is Eternal!?
If so:
Can the Quran die?

vannessa7:
If a man left Islam to become a Buddhist and in the process, he became a billionaire, he has a fine family and living in great health, would his action be a sufficient proof that Islam is wrong and Buddha is right?

It seems you are just hiding behind the cloak of being a critic to really find out if islam is right for you. As per the above, I did not imply wealth or material gain made me believe in islam. What islam offer is more than that, it gives you instant holiness if you do it right and gives you rest from satanic harassment that is so rampant in christianity. It gives you real time result that you can see for yourself. For instance, I know a christian who told me that in his business anytime things are slow and customers are not coming he will go to the mosque to pray and on coming back he get swamped by customers and orders, he still goes to church on Sundays. I have proven this for myself too in my business, no matter what you sell you get sales whenever you say your prayers, that's by the way, I used to battle familiar spirit, spirit husband, idol power, witchcraft power etc but as soon as I came into Islam they ceased just by my regular prayers and mosque congregational prayers. I used to undergo regular deliverances in mfm and after each deliverance I would have a respite for a few months after which they would be back, I have also met several people who were strong muslims but converted to christianity after being preached to but had to run back to islam when they started experiencing warfare they didn't see in islam, all the evil they didn't know existed in their families suddenly gained power and came after them. Note that I did not decide to accept islam by myself, I had powerful revelations that convinced me, I am naturally gifted with the gift of revelations and prophecy so I know when the holy spirit talks to me, experience is still the best teacher if you really want to know.

I also mentioned Job in the bible,
I said:
Job was once told by his wife,
"...curse God and die"!
Do you for once think that the evils befalling Job was because he was serving a wrong God?

I can bet that If Job had denied God, then God would have left him alone AND his problems would have ceased because the aim of Satan in inflicting pain and difficulty on Job would have been achieved!

This earth is a school where those who are qualified to be God's children are selected from all descendants of Adam and Eve. Therefore, every human being wil run the race that is set before them. The scripture says
Heb 12:1:
"...., and let us run with perseverance the race that is set before us,"

Do you for once think that the evils befalling Job was because he was serving a wrong God?


Interestingly, the first deliverance I did outside the church setting was of a Muslim girl. Everything was wrong with her and she wasn't graduating because most of her results were not found. Right in my office i prayed for her, she started manifesting and vomiting things inside my office. Long story short, within the week, all her result were found and she made the graduation list. She came looking for me to thank me for praying for her...all praise be to Jesus. Muslims are ALSO afflicted by the devil, is this not true?

This was why I said:
If exorcism is the way to know the true religion, then we'll be confused as Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism, Taoism, Scientology as well as some ATRs all perform exorcism. So, if we are to base our religion as what works, we'll certainly be in trouble.

Is exorcism or deliverance a sufficient proof that a religion is sent by God?

vannessa7:
1. Why did Allah send Jesus (with all His unique attributes) to the world?
2. Do you think that Allah and Yahweh the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the same personality? Qur'an 2:133-134
3. Is the paradise of Jesus the same as the paradise of Mohammed?
4. Why did Allah (apparently) create Christianity? He Deceived both the Jews, Roman, Mary, the Apostles, Siblings and Disciples of Jesus for more than 600 years before Islam?
5. Why does Islam hate the Jews this much: even in the last day, a tree will say to the Muslim, "a Jew is hiding behind me, kill him"?
6. If Christians and Jews are in error, why did Allah promise them paradise. Even the Sabians (who worship the stars) had their place in paradise? Qur'an 2:62
7. If 10% of the reported negative character (according to the Hadiths) of Mohammed is true, can he still be a Messanger of God?
Indeed, according
I will answer your questions above one by one.

Let me comment on your responses

vannessa7:
1. My QUESTION
1. Why did Allah send Jesus (with all His unique attributes) to the world?
YOUR RESPONSE
1. Allah made attempt to draw man to Himself after the fall of Adam establishing the first religion which is Judaism, and the covenant of Judaism is activated by keeping laws of God expressly given to His chosen people . I'm sure you are aware of Judaism as a religion, I wonder why you did not ask why christianity came even though God already gave Judaism as a way to get to Him.
Anyway, as human the people soon found ways to cut corners and not keep those laws while pretending they were keeping it, Jesus spent a whole chapter abusing the Pharisees because of this, also it was very difficult to keep those laws and breaking one if it is the same as breaking all in the sight of God so God decided they could not keep the law so he sent Jesus with grace whereby through his name they can go to God, note that i did not say through his blood because he did not die, another person was nailed to the cross and I have someone in Canada who found a very old bible in a library where it was stated Jesus was replaced, anyway, with grace came a price, your soul becomes redundant, no need for you to be holy in yourself because you rely on the holiness of Jesus so it becomes a struggle to be holy, you pray in anger and fight daily without respite, the devil lives in the church and nobody can drive him away, if you are fortunate not to have evil foundation you may not know anything until one day an enemy stand up against you then you fight and fight and soon get called into ministry if you are lucky to become a pastor you become a servant of God just like muslims are slaves of God and thus get a higher anointing which reduces your warfare while the members calling themselves sons languish, for every genuine miracle or breakthrough thousands are rotting away in the devil's clutches.
Well, something had to be done because the God of the universe will not just watch the genuine seekers to continue to suffer, and the second seed of Abraham is just the right person, so Islam was birthed and it effectively takes care of those loopholes in christianity created by grace, no need to go through a proxy, your five daily prayers and other things get you access to God fast and when you are near the fire, all pests disappear.

You didnt answer the question I posted: It was about WHY YOU THINK GOD DID SEND JESUS....?!
In Judaism, God promised the coming of the Messiah.
The Jews rejected Jesus as the Messiah because they assumed the Messiah would be a Warrior king rather than a Spiritual king.
The Messiah was to save the world through Israel.

Why is Jesus the only Human being who is
-the Word of God
-the Spirit of God
-the only sinless human being
-the only human BORN by a virgin
-living in heaven with God as he was delivered from death (according to Islam)
-the only creator of life (according to islam)
-knows what is in people hearts (according to Islam)
-spoke as a baby (according to Islam)

WHY did God do this to a single human if apparently, this caused BILLIONS of people to become CHRISTIANS and so in Error?

vannessa7:
2. My QUESTION
2. Do you think that Allah and Yahweh the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the same personality? Qur'an 2:133-134
YOUR RESPONSE
2 I know the God of Abraham, isaac and Jacob is the same as Allah but deals with you depending the covenant through which you are worshipping Him, I have revelations severally about this.

That is the Islamic claim that we worship the same God, BUT is this TRUE?

Ask your Husband OR Your Imam and say:
"Is Allah the same as Yahweh?": the answer would be a resounding NO!

If the answer is NO, are they truly the same God!?

I am sure you know that Revelations are often dangerous as Satan can often disguise himself as an Angel of Light.
Unfortunately too: the word revelation is ALIEN to Islam as ONLY a Prophet (and Mohammed is the Last prophet) that can receive any Revelation.

If you can confirm that ALLAH is not YAHWEH, your Soul may be in DANGER of Hell Fire!

vannessa7:
3. My QUESTION
3. Is the paradise of Jesus the same as the paradise of Mohammed?
YOUR RESPONSE
3. I cannot answer number three because I've never been to heaven but I'm sure wherever muslims are will be ok and no genuine muslim will go to hell.

All you need is to read the differences in the description of Paradise as given by Islamic literatures and contrast with Christian literatures. I can give you references to each of these supposed allegation if you ask
i. Are you aware that there is a brothel in paradise consisting of images of men and women. A man goes there to have sex with anyone of his pick?
ii. That muslim men will have a minimum of 70 perpetual virgins in addition to their wives here on earth?
iii. Are you aware that in paradise Allah will appear in a shape different to what you Muslims expect and you will reject him as Allah?
iv. Are you aware that the muslim men will have enough booze (they cant get intoxicated) and an endless erection
v. Are you aware that there is no Islamic record of the relationship of Allah with Muslims in paradise?
vi. Are you aware that as a Muslim, you will ENTER hell Fire and then Allah will use Christians and Jews to replace/randsome you from the fire?
vii. Are you aware that there appears no record of benefit to Muslim women in paradise except to be one of the sex properties of the muslim men?

If you look critically, all these promises look like ENTICEMENT and TEMPTATIONS for people to become Muslims? Who is the chief temptere of Humans, and with what does he tempt people with?
I challenge you to find me Hadiths that speak of Muslim Men and Women Worshoping or Praising Allah in Paradise. Just one will be enough!!

vannessa7:
4. My QUESTION
4. Why did Allah (apparently) create Christianity? He Deceived both the Jews, Roman, Mary, the Apostles, Siblings and Disciples of Jesus for more than 600 years before Islam?
YOUR RESPONSE
4. God did not deceive but gave mankind what we needed per time, the same way the Jews challenged Jesus is the same way christians challenge muslims now

It is understandable if God deceived the Romans and the Jews, BUT
i. Can you show any evidence that Mary the Mother of Jesus was aware that the person on the cross was not Jesus?
ii. Can you show any evidence that any of the Apostles of Jesus was aware that the person on the cross was not Jesus?
iii. If the person taken down from the cross was not Jesus, why do you think the Women went to annoint Jesus early on sunday morning?
iv. How come ALL the Apostles of Christ except John died a VIOLENT death preaching that Jesus died and rose up from the dead?
v. What do you think the early Christians gained by preaching that their LORD was crucified stark NAKED on the cross? Would the story not be sweeeter if Chrostians claimed that Jesus disappeared!?

Does this not show that Allah decieved Mary the mother of Jesus, the Apostles, the siblings of Jesus and the Disciples at large that jesus was crucified whereas, He wasnt?
Hence, Allah Created Christianity as it is today!

vannessa7:
5. My QUESTION
5. 5. Why does Islam hate the Jews this much: even in the last day, a tree will say to the Muslim, "a Jew is hiding behind me, kill him"?
YOUR RESPONSE
5, there are worst thing written in the bible, those are prophecies and the condition that will warrant that is in the hand of God and I'm sure it will not be universal, it may just be like the fight between israelites and the Benjamin tribe in the bible.

Have you forgotten that prophecies in the Old Testament all speak about the RESTORATION of Israel?
How would Israel be restored when the people are annihilated by Muslims?
Islam describes the Jews as Pigs and Monkeys: do you agree with this?
Don't forget that Jesus, Mary, the Apostles and most of the Prophets of Islam are Jews.

Are you saying contrary to the scriptures that at the end time, Israel would be EXTERMINATED?

vannessa7:
6. My QUESTION
6. 6. If Christians and Jews are in error, why did Allah promise them paradise. Even the Sabians (who worship the stars) had their place in paradise? Qur'an 2:62
YOUR RESPONSE
6. They are clearly in error because the Jews could not meet the demand of their covenant and chose to do evil in secret while pretending, they loved idol several times and killed many prophets while christians are in error right from apostle Paul, he introduced many things Jesus did not say and later on untold errors have been introduced into the bible during interpretation and as a political tool then, it was also modified as a tool for colonization, another friend of mine who school abroad was taught this by a lecturer, the lecturer said they made sure the bible will make colonization easy so they changed many things but as the quran said everyone will be judge according to their intentions.
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But the Quran says Jews, Christians and Sabians will enter Paradise?
As of the time of Mohammed, the Christians were saying that "the Messiah was Allah" (Quran 5:72) : Is this NOT polytheism in Islam
the Sabians worship the stars, why did Allah promise them paradise?
I don't know the offence of the Jews at the time of Mohammed as they were clearly not worshipping Idols.

Are you Truly saying that "polytheists" like Christians (who take Jesus as Allah) and the Sabians (who worship the stars) would enter paradise?


[quote author=vannessa7 post=119065022]7. My QUESTION
7. 7. If 10% of the reported negative character (according to the Hadiths) of Mohammed is true, can he still be a Messenger of God?
YOUR RESPONSE
7. God can use anyone, go and find out the history of Adeboye and you will say it's not possible but he said those things by himself. God uses the foolish things of this world to confound the wise, also many hadith's and write up cannot be trusted, islamic scholars say we should throw such hadith out when they are too ludicrous

God can use anyone, BUT God punishes sin severely when committed by His Servants
1. Did Allah punish Mohammed for coveting, lusting after and eventually marrying the wife of Zaid his adopted? What did Allah do about it, he canceled Adoption henceforth so that people can legally marry the wives of their adopted son. Is this not nausiating?
2. Mohammed had sex with the 17 year old Safiyyah bint Huyayy the same day he killed her husband, father and family! Is this righteousness?
3. Mohammed had sex with Mariyah the Copt, the slave of his wife and it became trouble enough for Allah to reveal a Quran about it. Can your husband safely invite your prophet to live with you in your house for a month?
4. Mohammed was under a spell of "Black Magic" for almost one year and he was imagining things he didn't do as if he did them! if your prophet can be under demonic affliction, how much more you his followers?
5. Mohammed permitted PROSTITUTION (Mutah) for Muslims and even wrote it in the Quran! Do you still think Allah is Yahweh?
6. Did Mohammed not say "Satan commands him but only for good"!? Do you know a single prophet of God that satan instructs in righteousness!?
7. How come Mohammed revealed the verses of a woman breastfeeding an adult male 10 times. Is this from Allah?
8. How come a prophet of Allah could not distinguish between the Quran and the satanic verses?
9. How come Mohammed sets a law of Allah for Muslims yet he ALONE is above the laws?
10. How come the Holy Spirit of God is relegated down to the statues of Jubril by Mohammed?

You know the Bible and therefore I ask:
Show me just one prophet in the Bible whose sole means of hearing God was an Angel?
Is Mary a Prophet of God?
Is Gideon a Prophet of God?
Are Samsons parent prophets of God?
Is Lot a prophet of God?
EVERY TRUE PROPHET OF GOD HEARS DIRECTLY FROM GOD!

I will prefer that you read and meditate on the truth spoken. If you feel I have erred in same of my statements, I will present sources from Islamic literatures.

Hello vannessa7,
Please break the post below into two or three sections
Interestingly, I do NOT have anything against Muslims and God knows that I have very good relationship with them. I only see them as SINCERELY lost and sincerely in ERROR! As a Christian, love is watching out for your neighbor. When he is about to eat poison, a good neighbor should hit him so hard as to knock out his teeth with the poison.
I myself ALMOST recited the Shahada (through Ahmed Deedat's books). I got myself the Glorious Qur'an and began to read. I had so many Questions that needed answers. I thus went back to ground zero to learn and understand.

God gave a Free Gift of Eternal Life with Him to men and someone else came to present something that looks like the original but fake. Indeed, by Allah's claim, he is the BEST of Deceivers!
John 14:6:
"Jesus said to him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man comes to the Father, but by me."

Prov 14:12:
"There is a way which seems right to a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death."

Hello vannessa7,
Sorry to make you type such a long post. I will respond to you.

However, I want to teach you how to use the Quotation facility of Nairaland. It is not difficult and it makes your post more readable. You may practice it with me as you type

TinyTenQ:
If a man left Islam to become a Buddhist and in the process, he became a billionaire, he has a fine family and living in great health, would his action be a sufficient proof that Islam is wrong and Buddha is right?
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and
[./quote]

4. So, If the persons post look like below:


[quote. author==TinTenQ post.=0019065029]Any football match is like war, it consist of proper planning and ability to capitalize on your advantage and study your enemy weakness.


In the light of the above, let me Take you down memory lane, GRECCE was an underdog in Euro 2004, no one predicted them as a favourite ab initio, but their defensive technics was superb once they scored a lone goal that is the end, in fact in Final against CZECH I supported CZECH because of the caliber of players they paraded, the likes of NEDVED, BAROS, KOLA, ROSICKY and host of others. Those GRECCE scored them and that was the end of the tournament, though it was not a WORLD CUP but my point is that those teams have everything in common and that is zeal, commitment and enthusiasm to deliver.
[./quote]


And you want to break it into TWO sections so that you can make your comments, you will put such into a pair of start quotation directive
[quote. author==TinyTenQ post=999065029]and end quotation directive
[./quote]

5. Example with the FOOTBALL POST ABOVE
I want to break it into TWO sections



[quote. author==Tiny post.=9919065029]Any football match is like war, it consist of proper planning and ability to capitalize on your advantage and study your enemy weakness.
[./quote]
I CAN NOW TYPE MY FIRST RESPONSE HERE TO THE FIRST PART



[quote. author==TinyTenQ post.=219065029]In the light of the above, let me Take you down memory lane, GRECCE was an underdog in Euro 2004, no one predicted them as a favourite ab initio, but their defensive technics was superb once they scored a lone goal that is the end, in fact in Final against CZECH I supported CZECH because of the caliber of players they paraded, the likes of NEDVED, BAROS, KOLA, ROSICKY and host of others. Those GRECCE scored them and that was the end of the tournament, though it was not a WORLD CUP but my point is that those teams have everything in common and that is zeal, commitment and enthusiasm to deliver.
[./quote]
I CAN NOW TYPE MY SECOND RESPONSE HERE TO THE SECOND PART

6. Summary:
Put the section of a persons post of interest into the pair of
Start quotation directive and End Quotation Directive

[quote. author==TinyTenQ post=999065029]QUOTE OF SECTION 1
[./quote]
YOUR RESPONSE 1

[quote. author==TinyTenQ post=999065029]QUOTE OF SECTION 2
[./quote]
YOUR RESPONSE 2

[quote. author==TinyTenQ post=999065029]SECTION 3
[./quote]
YOUR RESPONSE 3



Hope the above make some sense.


I will follow this with a short post you can practice with.

Shalom.

peepydelano:
That’s why I laugh at dumbos who think those evil doers(Boko haram) has anything to do with Islam. Do we also associate IPOB terrorists to Christianity as most of them do attend churches? The answer is No, let’s learn to condemn evil and not allow religious sentiments beclouds our judgement.

The true Muslims are the bokoharam, ISIS, ISWAP etc. At least the follow the Hadith , the Sunnah and the Qur'an to the letter. Unlike those who use takiyya on everyone preaching peace while Fighting for Allah!

If you need proof, hola me?

I guess me too can start using Shia doctrines for You as the correct Islamic view and interpretation of doctrines. Is that okay? I think they have more damning doctrines and skeletons in their narratives than you Sunni Muslims. LOL!!

AntiChristian:
Actually, the comma in the above sentence you quoted was put there by trinitarians!

Luke 23:43: "And Jesus said unto him, truly I say unto you Today, shalt thou be with me in paradise."

This is called the fallacy of accent

Luke 23:43 (NASB) says, "And he said to him, 'Truly I say to you, today you shall be with me in Paradise,'" indicating that Jesus will be with the malefactor in Paradise later that same day. But if the comma is moved to the other side of "today," an entirely different emphasis results: "Truly I say to you today, you shall (in the future) be with me in Paradise." This is, in fact the correct rendering.

Background:
The New Testament was written in a variant of Greek known as Koine Greek (more like pidgin English: it was the language of day to day living by people from all over the world) as different from the standard classical greek.

In the earliest manuscripts, punctuations and capitalisations did not exist until later. I am sure the earliest Qurans did NOT also have punctuations: therefore, how did the modern Qurans get their punctuation marks?

1. The placement of the punctuation marks, were done according to the readings of the early church and their interpretation.
2. If the JW translation was true in its rendition, the word Today is actually unnecessary in the sentence as TRULY began the sentence.
example: Instead of
“Truly to you I say today with me you will be in Paradise.”
It should have been
"To you I say today, you will be with me in paradise"
Is the meaning lost?
3. Ancient translaors who spoke the koine greek translated it as
‘This day shall you be with Me in paradise’ (Luke 23:43),
(Athanasius, Statement of Faith, Chapter 1)
4. Jesus used the word Truly 85 times in the bible and only once did he combine it with today.
5. Even normal usage of words does not appeal to saying "Today, I say to you"!

The Jehovah's Witness believe that once a person dies, he becomes a state of non-existence and unconsciousness. The verse states otherwise because you cant be in an unconscious state in paradise. This is the reason they shifted the punctuation mark disregarding ancient rendations.
Christians believe that a dead person is not unconscious but is alive in a non-physical state either in hades or in the place where Abraham is.
Do you Muslims also believe that when a person dies, he is in a state of unconsciousness?

Since you say that the correct rendition is the JW translation: I will go with you

For the sake of Argument, let us assume that Luke is rendered according to your preference as
Luk 23:42-43:
"42. And he said to Jesus, Lord, remember me when you come into your kingdom.
43. And Jesus said to him, Truly I say to you today, you shall be with me in paradise."

It DOESN'T Change ANYTHING about the power of Christ to guarantee Paradise for anyone.

What did the Thief ask for (after all his railings against Jesus with the other Thief)?
He said: Remember me when you get to your kingdom.
But of course, the kingdom of Christ is NOT of this World
John 18:36:
"Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence."

NEVERTHELESS, the response of Christ is a very strong word of assurance to a thief on the cross that he would be in paradise with Jesus.

Truely I say to you today, you will be with me in paradise!

AntiChristian:
1. Everything originates from the word of Allah.
The Qur'an, Injeel, Torah, etc are also words of Allah!
Whatever Allah wants to die will die.

2. The Spirit that emanates from Allah will return to Him.
Allah does not exist as a Spirit/Soul. And in Islam Spirit and Soul are the same!
In the verse you quoted in Arabic above مِّنْهُ means the soul emanates from Allah!
All souls come from Allah!

3. Yes, all humans (including messengers, etc) will die!
...Abu Bakr praised and glorified Allah and said, No doubt! Whoever worshipped Muhammad, then Muhammad is dead, but whoever worshipped Allah, then Allah is Alive and shall never die." Then he recited Allah's Statement.:-- "(O Muhammad) Verily you will die, and they also will die." (Qur'an 39.30)....Sahih Bukhar Sahih al-Bukhari 3667, 3668, Book 62, Hadith 19.



The body and Soul enters the life of the Barzakh (intervening stage between death and resurrection) after this worldly death! From then it will be in bliss or in punishment till the day of resurrection!

UNFORTUNATELY, YOU DIDN'T ANSWER MY QUESTION DIRECTLY

I said:

TenQ:
Quran 4:171
يَـٰٓأَهْلَ ٱلْكِتَـٰبِ لَا تَغْلُوا۟ فِى دِينِكُمْ وَلَا تَقُولُوا۟ عَلَى ٱللَّهِ إِلَّا ٱلْحَقَّ ۚ إِنَّمَا ٱلْمَسِيحُ عِيسَى ٱبْنُ مَرْيَمَ رَسُولُ ٱللَّهِ وَكَلِمَتُهُۥٓ أَلْقَىٰهَآ إِلَىٰ مَرْيَمَ وَرُوحٌۭ مِّنْهُ ۖ فَـَٔامِنُوا۟ بِٱللَّهِ وَرُسُلِهِۦ ۖ وَلَا تَقُولُوا۟ ثَلَـٰثَةٌ ۚ ٱنتَهُوا۟ خَيْرًۭا لَّكُمْ ۚ إِنَّمَا ٱللَّهُ إِلَـٰهٌۭ وَٰحِدٌۭ ۖ سُبْحَـٰنَهُۥٓ أَن يَكُونَ لَهُۥ وَلَدٌۭ ۘ لَّهُۥ مَا فِى ٱلسَّمَـٰوَٰتِ وَمَا فِى ٱلْأَرْضِ ۗ وَكَفَىٰ بِٱللَّهِ وَكِيلًۭا ١٧١

Christians are in no denial that the Body of Jesus died. Even at death, He promised that the Robber hung with him would be in paradise with him that same day.
Luk 23:43:
"And Jesus said unto him, truly I say unto you, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise."

Thus,
If according to the Qur'an:
JESUS IS
1. A Man/Messanger of Allah
2. The Word of Allah
3. The Spirit of Allah
Can you kindly explain the following
If it is true that Jesus died,
1. Can the Word of Allah die?
2. Can the Spirit of Allah die?
3. Can a Messanger of Allah die?

Okay,
A simpler question:
When a Muslim die, does his Soul (Nafs) die?

Thank you!

The major Question O asked was
If it is true that Jesus died,
1. Can the Word of Allah die?
2. Can the Spirit of Allah die?
3. Can a Messanger of Allah die?

From your long and winding explanations,

1. Are you saying that
"The Word of Allah can die'?
2. Are you saying that
"The Spirit of Allah can die'"?
3. If truly these above can die, are you saying that other attributes of Allah like his Power, his Wisdom, his Knowledge can die'?


Of course I understand that as Muslims you don't know much about the Ruh therefore it would be impossible for you to make any equivocal statement about them. Anything you say about the Ruh is a conjecture. The Ruh (spirit) is different from the Nafs(soul) my dear. Does the Qur'an not speak about the three states of the Nafs (Nafs-ul-Ammarah, Nafs-ul-Lawwamah and Nafs-ul-Mutmainnah)
? Allah/Mohammed did not explain to you Muslims what the Ruh is!


I have no problems with your response to my second question.

A simpler question:
When a Muslim die, does his Soul (Nafs) die?

At least it seem like you don't believe that when a person dies, he ceases to exist.

So, when Jesus died, Did his Soul (Nafs) die?

Checkmate:
If Jesus's soul did not die, how did you arrive at Duality instead of Trinity?

Interestingly, I do NOT have anything against Muslims and God knows that I have very good relationship with them. I only see them as SINCERELY lost and sincerely in ERROR! As a Christian, love is watching out for your neighbor. When he is about to eat poison, a good neighbor should hit him so hard as to knock out his teeth with the poison.

I myself ALMOST recited the Shahada (through Ahmed Deedat's books). I got myself the Glorious Qur'an and began to read. I had so many Questions that needed answers. I thus went back to ground zero to learn and understand.

God gave a Free Gift of Eternal Life with Him to men and someone else came to present something that looks like the original but fake. Indeed, by Allah's claim, he is the BEST of Deceivers!
John 14:6:
"Jesus said to him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man comes to the Father, but by me."

Prov 14:12:
"There is a way which seems right to a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death."

vannessa7:
Your first question reeks of ignorance, how can proof that what you know is the only truth and there are no other truths out there. It is said that experience is the best teacher but you only have your christian experience and here is someone who has had the experience of both religion at a committed level and you still argue. Quoting scriptures does not mean anything because anyone can prove anything even from the Bible, it's the covenant and anointing you are experiencing that matters. I was worst than you of which I deeply regret, I didn't want to hear anything about islam not to even talk about practicing it until God opened my eyes to the truth of islam. Islam is still the only religion feared by the devil and which gets rid of every evil instantly if done correctly, I know because I was a church minister for almost twenty years and now a committed muslim for six years. You should pay attention when I talk on religious subject. I have written a book on my experience but not yet published, I don't mind if I get a sponsor to publish it.

Thanks for your fine lecture about experience as you assume you are the only one with experience. I don't only quote scriptures, I am a living prove of Christ's power in me.

If a man left Islam to become a Buddhist and in the process, he became a billionaire, he has a fine family and living in great health, would his action be a sufficient proof that Islam is wrong and Buddha is right?

Job was once told by his wife,
"...curse God and die"!
Do you for once think that the evils befalling Job was because he was serving a wrong God?

I can bet that If Job had denied God, then God would have left him alone AND his problems would have ceased because the aim of Satan in inflicting pain and difficulty on Job would have been achieved!

This earth is a school where those who are qualified to be God's children are selected from all descendants of Adam and Eve. Therefore, every human being wil run the race that is set before them. The scripture says
Heb 12:1:
"...., and let us run with perseverance the race that is set before us,"

God has not promised even His commited children a stress free untroubled life. Jesus said, In this world you shall experience tribulations, but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.

What then gains a man or woman, who obtained the whole world BUT loses his/her soul to eternal damnation. I am sure you are an ordinary person like me, not even gaining 1% of Dangote's asset of mental health, physical health and wealth.

You said:
"Islam is the only religion feared by the devil"! Where did you read that? Any Islamic literature to back this up?

If exorcism is the way to know the true religion, then we'll be confused as Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism, Taoism, Scientology as well as some ATRs all perform exorcism. So, if we are to base our religion as what works, we'll certainly be in trouble.


Dear Vanessa,
Let's assume that Islam is TRUE, You don't have to respond to me but Answer to Yourself truthful these questions!
1. Why did Allah send Jesus (with all His unique attributes) to the world?
2. Do you think that Allah and Yahweh the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the same personality? Qur'an 2:133-134
3. Is the paradise of Jesus the same as the paradise of Mohammed?
4. Why did Allah (apparently) create Christianity? He Deceived both the Jews, Roman, Mary, the Apostles, Siblings and Disciples of Jesus for more than 600 years before Islam?
5. Why does Islam hate the Jews this much: even in the last day, a tree will say to the Muslim, "a Jew is hiding behind me, kill him"?
6. If Christians and Jews are in error, why did Allah promise them paradise. Even the Sabians (who worship the stars) had their place in paradise? Qur'an 2:62
7. If 10% of the reported negative character (according to the Hadiths) of Mohammed is true, can he still be a Messanger of God?

Indeed, according to Christ Jesus, you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free!



I am praying for you, I am willing to Answer ANY Questions!

Thank you Sis!
Have a Beautiful night rest!

Lukuluku69:
Of what use is my answer to you and my own Faith if the Prophet is in Paradise or his grave?

Of what use!?
It's to answer my preconceptions about Islam: as it could be wrong!

I know of a certain that only God should be able to forgive SIN. I can understand why Jesus could forgive SIN but I can't understand how Mohammed can forgive SIN.

Do you think any Human being (or even Muhammed) has such Authority?

Of the Grave:
If Mohammed is ALREADY in Paradise, we can assume he is waiting for other Muslims and may even INTERCEDE for them. However, if Mohammed is in his grave, then it would be an impossible affair as he too will be waiting for resurrection day to come alive .

What do you think?

Quran 4:171
يَـٰٓأَهْلَ ٱلْكِتَـٰبِ لَا تَغْلُوا۟ فِى دِينِكُمْ وَلَا تَقُولُوا۟ عَلَى ٱللَّهِ إِلَّا ٱلْحَقَّ ۚ إِنَّمَا ٱلْمَسِيحُ عِيسَى ٱبْنُ مَرْيَمَ رَسُولُ ٱللَّهِ وَكَلِمَتُهُۥٓ أَلْقَىٰهَآ إِلَىٰ مَرْيَمَ وَرُوحٌۭ مِّنْهُ ۖ فَـَٔامِنُوا۟ بِٱللَّهِ وَرُسُلِهِۦ ۖ وَلَا تَقُولُوا۟ ثَلَـٰثَةٌ ۚ ٱنتَهُوا۟ خَيْرًۭا لَّكُمْ ۚ إِنَّمَا ٱللَّهُ إِلَـٰهٌۭ وَٰحِدٌۭ ۖ سُبْحَـٰنَهُۥٓ أَن يَكُونَ لَهُۥ وَلَدٌۭ ۘ لَّهُۥ مَا فِى ٱلسَّمَـٰوَٰتِ وَمَا فِى ٱلْأَرْضِ ۗ وَكَفَىٰ بِٱللَّهِ وَكِيلًۭا ١٧١

AntiChristian:
Three Gods exists in the trinity namely:
The father,
Son (Jesus),
and the Holy spirit!

All of them are one yet different! Among the three, the son became human and died for three days leaving only the father and spirit in the world!

Trinity hence became duality for three days when Jesus died!

Was there a time God was incomplete?

Christians are in no denial that the Body of Jesus died. Even at death, He promised that the Robber hung with him would be in paradise with him that same day.
Luk 23:43:
"And Jesus said unto him, truly I say unto you, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise."

Thus,
If according to the Qur'an:
JESUS IS
1. A Man/Messanger of Allah
2. The Word of Allah
3. The Spirit of Allah
Can you kindly explain the following
If it is true that Jesus died,
1. Can the Word of Allah die?
2. Can the Spirit of Allah die?
3. Can a Messanger of Allah die?

Okay,
A simpler question:
When a Muslim die, does his Soul (Nafs) die?

Thank you!

Lukuluku69:
Funny you!

I told you to take it one at a time.

On Paradise, Jesus is reported to have told obe of the Robbers on the Cross that " this day you will be with me in paradise"( I paraphrased), so if The Prophet says he assures anyone who believe in One God and he/she followed it with keeping God's Commandments and is a doer of Good why then are you taking offence?

The Robber only believed in the Mission of Christ yet Christ says he will be with him in paradise " this day" yet you have issues with someone being assured Paradise because he believed in One God and keeping God's Commandments?

Really, how do you guys judge? How?

Of course as Christians we can easily explain this because Jesus the Messiah is GOD (in the human flesh) ! Because of this, He has the POWER and AUTHORITY to Admit ANYONE into Paradise!

The prerequisite of Being Born Again is Faith in the Atonement of Christ that propels us to ASK for Eternal Life with God. The Robber asked, and he Received!

Do you think any Human being (or even Muhammed) has such Authority?

Before you answer this question:
I think (I may be wrong) Whoever can admit anyone into paradise must have been in paradise!
Mr Lukuluku, can you answer this question:
Is Mohammed currently in his spacious beautiful grave or in Paradise?

Thank you(two questions)

How the command entered the Qur'an is for another day. But on the surface..

Truvelisback:
TenQ

The wives of prophet Mohammad were told to COVERUP and also to Muslim women.

Qur'an 33:53
“O Prophet, tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to bring down over themselves [part] of their outer garments. That is more suitable that they will be recognised and not be abused. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.”

The definition of covering up is now up for several interpretations and depending o the hadiths , Tafsir a Muslim read, their cultural affiliation and the school of Islam they belong to and modernity.

Usually, if you see a Woman totally covered up except the eyes in Nigeria, she's most likely a Yoruba Muslim.

1. Some therefore cover everything except their eyes
2. Some cover everything except their faces
3. Some cover everything except the head.
4. Some only cover their hair

I've even seen some Muslim girls that will cover their head and chest but put on tight trousers or leggings in public.

O think it's a matter of how they interpret their scriptures even like some Christians.
Some Christians cover their hair 24/7. Some don't put on earrings. Some don't put on shoes with prayer garments. Some don't put on shoes only in the church etc.

Lukuluku69:
Funny you!

I told you to take it one at a time.

On Paradise, Jesus is reported to have told obe of the Robbers on the Cross that " this day you will be with me in paradise"( I paraphrased), so if The Prophet says he assures anyone who believe in One God and he/she followed it with keeping God's Commandments and is a doer of Good why then are you taking offence?

The Robber only believed in the Mission of Christ yet Christ says he will be with him in paradise " this day" yet you have issues with someone being assured Paradise because he believed in One God and keeping God's Commandments?

Really, how do you guys judge? How?

Of course as Christians we can easily explain this because Jesus the Messiah is GOD (in the human flesh) ! Because of this, He has the POWER and AUTHORITY to Admit ANYONE into Paradise!

It may interest you to know that prior to this time, the Robber was not following the laws of God. He even contributed to railing against Jesus on the cross until he repented in his heart and changed his mind.

The prerequisite of Being Born Again is Faith in the Atonement of Christ that propels us to ASK for Eternal Life with God. The Robber asked, and he Received!

Do you think any Human being (or even Muhammed) has such Authority?

Before you answer this question:
I think (I may be wrong) Whoever can admit anyone into paradise must have been in paradise!
Mr Lukuluku, can you answer this question:
Is Mohammed currently in his spacious beautiful grave or in Paradise?

Thank you(two questions)

Thank you Mr Lukuluku69 for your kind response.
I agree with you in some parts, however their are some ununclear portions of your explanations!

Lukuluku69:
Bros, you are confusing so many things together and in doing that you won't see the answers you seek.

So on Forgiveness:

The General principle is that ONLY ALLAH forgives. It is an attribute of Allah which humans too can display. I can wrong you and you can decide to forgive or seek retribution.

If you care to know, SINS usually come in Three Folds:

1. Against your Creator (Disobedience to His Eternal Laws, taking others besides Him as god/s etc)

2. Against fellow beings( backbiting, slanders etc)

3. Against your own self.

God Forgives if your repentance is genuine and you won't go back to them. He Forgives.

So as a human too, I can decide to forgive you or decide to seek retribution or redress from Authority.

It is exactly the same. The Prophet can choose to Forgive or seek retribution for those that slander him, lied against him and all that.


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Thank you,

1. On Forgiveness:
I agree with you that Human beings can forgive! I think what a human being can forgive is OFFENCE
But can human beings forgive SINS?

Let me give you an example:
If I stole your car and I was caught by the police after I've sold the car. You can decide to forgive me and not ask me to return the stolen car!
1. Have you forgiving me absolved me of the sin (against Allah) of STEALING?
2. Has your forgiveness absolved me of the crime against the State (police)?
The verse below is explicit isn't it?
Qur'an 46:31
O our people! respond to Allah’s summoner and believe in Him. He will forgive you some of your sins and guard you from a painful doom.
Qur'an 4:64
We sent no messenger save that he should be obeyed by Allah’s leave. And if, when they had wronged themselves, they had but come unto thee and asked forgiveness of Allah, and asked forgiveness of the messenger, they would have found Allah Forgiving, Merciful.

My point is that a human being can forgive, but it doesn't remove the crime of SIN against God. It is even possible to forgive a person who NEVER asked for forgiveness: does it mean that such a person's sin against God is forgiven?

2. On the Shahada:
Is it possible that a person like me can become a Muslim by Reciting the Shahada BUT Omitting Mohammed in it?
How is this not associating partnership with God?

Power to Admit a Person into Paradise:
You didn't make any response on this! The Hadiths show that Mohammed is the one to grant passage to mankind into paradise: this right is not given to any other prophet in Islam.
Sahih Bukhari 7410
Narrated Anas:
The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Allah will gather the believers on the Day of Resurrection in the same way (as they are gathered in this life), and they will say, 'Let us ask someone to intercede for us with our Lord that He may relieve us from this place of ours.' ..
...
They will go to Jesus who will say, 'I am not fit for this undertaking, but you'd better go to Muhammad whose sins of the past and the future had been forgiven (by Allah).' So they will come to me and I will ask the permission of my Lord, and I will be permitted (to present myself) before Him. ..... O Muhammad! Raise your head and speak, for you will be listened to; and ask, for you will be granted (your request); and intercede, for your intercession will be accepted.' I will then raise my head and praise my Lord with certain praises which He has taught me, and then I will intercede. Allah will allow me to intercede (for a certain kind of people) and will fix a limit whom I will admit into Paradise.

The story starts from Adam, then to Noah, then to Abraham, then to Moses and eventually to Jesus who would ALL reject the assignment because they are UNFIT for it.

It is amazing that even though Jesus didn't have any excuse for being UNFIT, he recommends Mohammed as the one that is perfect for the assignment.

To cut the long story short, we can see that Mohammed would be the one to ADMIT people into paradise and NOT Allah.

Yet, Muslims try to convince everyone that only Allah can admit people into paradise.

advocatejare:
They are all hiding. Before we descended on them here on Nairaland, they used to run their mouth as if they understand Islam and they are scholars but now they have been humbled especially that guy called x123xllols he used to boast that the Quran had mathematical miracles until I exposed his folly

https://www.nairaland.com/6954365/quran-truly-mathematically-correct

We would scream the truth on the Rooftop
BUT
We shall also pray for Muslims.

Islam:
A stack of lies!
A boundage steamed in IGNORANCE!

Thanks Vannessa,
Of course, I am heavily interested in islam. I read about Islam. I study Islam BUT I ask questions!
I consider this as my greatest difference with Muslims, I ask Questions.
Don't mind me, this is also the way I ask Questions about the Bible.

vannessa7:
It's like you are very much interested in Islam, I admire your zeal in searching out all those verses and hadith's when you are not even a muslim.
Anyway, islam enjoin us not to argue on religious matters because religion is not by compulsion. Also all you christian critics on nairaland have already made up your mind on what to believe about islam and it is futile to try and answer any of your questions. My advice to you if you really want to know the truth about islam is to dedicate just six months to practice it and compare it to your experience in christianity, then go back to being a christian, you will not need to ask questions anymore. As for me and other muslims reverts, what we found is too precious and we will never go back to christianity insha Allah.

Check the highlight in yellow above.

1. Does it make sense to PRACTICE some thing which you know is clearly in ERROR for SIX months to verify the experience and contrast with christianity?
Do you think it is logical if I ask you to worship Ogun, Buddha or Amadioha for six months in other to verify its authenticity and go back to Islam if you find it as false!? What will convince me when I am CURRENTLY practicing that which turned my life around and gives me a certainty of Eternal Life with God after this life here on earth?
Why do you think God even created us as humans? "Your naive answer would be to worship him!" But is this the reason!?
Does it not sound like take this poison FIRST and determine if you are killed or not?

2. Of course we know that no human being has the power to convert anyone, but as Christians we Preach the TRUTH about God and the Free Gift of Eternal Life in Christ. We also give reason for those in bondage to know that the chains holding them is virtual. So, it is well within your right and power as a human being with a conscience to CHOOSE with your life NOW and reap the fruit later. I cant CONVERT any one: it is impossible! I can only show you the Way, the Truth and the Life: what you do with Him is between you and your conscience.

3. It would be a serious injustice on my part against Muslims if with what I know About Islam, I keep Quiet: I will climb the roof top to broadcast this DECEPTION called Islam that the enslaved would be saved. I almost recited the Shahada myself: my habit of asking Questions set me free.


MY SISTER:
This is why I ask Questions;
"Who has the power to forgive sins?" AND "Who has the power to admit people into paradise "? ,
The obvious response you'd give would be Allah only!
BUT
Is this TRUE?

My job is to show you that Mohammed is a partner of Allah in Admitting Muslims into Paradise and forgiving the Sins of muslims!

Allah says that every Muslim would enter hell fire! (but he would later remove Muslims and LEAVE the unbelievers hobbling on their knees in the fire)
Why?
For how long will this enduring the fire be?
Suppose this time becomes indefinate?


Thank you once again for your response!

Thanks for the "correction" of the Arabic phrase. LOL!
"Allah's Word" /= "Allah and his Word"
We'll go with the literal Translation as you have suggested.

LegalWolf:
He does not even know that what he quoted roughly transliterates as 'Allahi wa kelimatuhu"!. This literally means 'Allah and his word"! What preceded Allah is "Messenger!!!!!!!!" How is this 'كَلِمَتُهُ" 'Kalimatulahi" Shiekh TenQ ?? Do you think we are dumbters that you will send delusions to as clearly stated in 2 Thes 2:11

Caught in Islams own web of LIES that want us to beleive ٱللَّهِ وَكَلِمَتُهُۥٓ , should be rendered as "WORD FROM ALLAH" instead of "WORD OF ALLAH"
literally we should read Quran 4:171 as :
"...The Messiah Jesus Son of Mary was a Messenger (of) Allah and his word which he conveyed to Mary and a Spirit from him so believe.."

I said:

Unfortunately, the word used in Quran 4:171 is ٱللَّهِ وَكَلِمَتُهُۥٓ ,
meaning nothing other than "Allah's Word" .

Thank you LegalWolf for the Correction (I should have stuck with "Allah and his Word" instead of "Allah's Word"
Now that you have PROPERLY TRANSLATED "ALLAH AND HIS WORD", please INSERT into Quran 4:171

Quran 4:171
يَـٰٓأَهْلَ ٱلْكِتَـٰبِ لَا تَغْلُوا۟ فِى دِينِكُمْ وَلَا تَقُولُوا۟ عَلَى ٱللَّهِ إِلَّا ٱلْحَقَّ ۚ إِنَّمَا ٱلْمَسِيحُ عِيسَى ٱبْنُ مَرْيَمَ رَسُولُ ٱللَّهِ وَكَلِمَتُهُۥٓ أَلْقَىٰهَآ إِلَىٰ مَرْيَمَ وَرُوحٌۭ مِّنْهُ ۖ فَـَٔامِنُوا۟ بِٱللَّهِ وَرُسُلِهِۦ ۖ وَلَا تَقُولُوا۟ ثَلَـٰثَةٌ ۚ ٱنتَهُوا۟ خَيْرًۭا لَّكُمْ ۚ إِنَّمَا ٱللَّهُ إِلَـٰهٌۭ وَٰحِدٌۭ ۖ سُبْحَـٰنَهُۥٓ أَن يَكُونَ لَهُۥ وَلَدٌۭ ۘ لَّهُۥ مَا فِى ٱلسَّمَـٰوَٰتِ وَمَا فِى ٱلْأَرْضِ ۗ وَكَفَىٰ بِٱللَّهِ وَكِيلًۭا ١٧١

Is JESUS the Word of Allah or a Word from Allah?

cc:
Lukuluku69:
LegalWolf correctly translated ٱللَّهِ وَكَلِمَتُهُۥٓ , as the Word of Allah instead of a Word from Allah

Can you both post the proper English translation of Quran 4:171 not forgetting the Phase "ALLAH AND HIS WORD"

Is Jesus the Word of Allah OR Jesus is a Word from Allah?

FULL VESRSION:
@ Lukuluku69: Take your pick
If you ask any Muslim the Question:
"Who has the power to forgive sins?", The obvious response would be Allah only!
AND
If you ask any Muslim the Question:
"Who has the power to admit people into paradise"? , The obvious response still would be Allah only!

HOWEVER:
Evidence from the Shahada:
1. We know that it is impossible for anyone now to become a Muslim WITHOUT reciting the shahada pledging a belief in both Allah and Mohammed.

2. Evidence from the Qur'an
Qur'an 46:31
O our people! respond to Allah’s summoner and believe in Him. He will forgive you some of your sins and guard you from a painful doom.

Observations:
1. Muslims are enjoined by Allah to have faith in Mohammed
2. Mohammed has the power to forgive sins of Muslims AND
3. save them from painful hellfire
4. HOWEVER, It seems UNLIKE Allah, Mohammed can only forgive SOME of Muslim's sins.

This is also confirmed in the next Quranic verse
Qur'an 4:64
We sent no messenger save that he should be obeyed by Allah’s leave. And if, when they had wronged themselves, they had but come unto thee and asked forgiveness of Allah, and asked forgiveness of the messenger, they would have found Allah Forgiving, Merciful.

We can see two personalities who can forgive sins
1. Allah
2. Mohammed the Messanger

3. Evidence from the Hadith
To make it more clear, we can check the Hadiths (the hadith is long but you can read the full text in www.sunnah.com

Sahih Bukhari 7410
Narrated Anas:
The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Allah will gather the believers on the Day of Resurrection in the same way (as they are gathered in this life), and they will say, 'Let us ask someone to intercede for us with our Lord that He may relieve us from this place of ours.' ..
...
They will go to Jesus who will say, 'I am not fit for this undertaking, but you'd better go to Muhammad whose sins of the past and the future had been forgiven (by Allah).' So they will come to me and I will ask the permission of my Lord, and I will be permitted (to present myself) before Him. ..... O Muhammad! Raise your head and speak, for you will be listened to; and ask, for you will be granted (your request); and intercede, for your intercession will be accepted.' I will then raise my head and praise my Lord with certain praises which He has taught me, and then I will intercede. Allah will allow me to intercede (for a certain kind of people) and will fix a limit whom I will admit into Paradise.

The story starts from Adam, then to Noah, then to Abraham, then to Moses and eventually to Jesus who would ALL reject the assignment because they are UNFIT for it.

It is amazing that even though Jesus didn't have any excuse for being UNFIT, he recommends Mohammed as the one that is perfect for the assignment.

To cut the long story short, we can see that Mohammed would be the one to ADMIT people into paradise and NOT Allah.

Yet, Muslims try to convince everyone that only Allah can admit people into paradise.

QUESTIONS:
1. Since we can see that Mohammed can forgive Sins like Allah AND he is the one to Admit Muslims into paradise; What are the explanations you have that Mohammed is not a PARTNER with Allah?
2. What are the kinds of sins Mohammed cannot forgive?

Abridged Version:

Lukuluku69:
And another one!

Guess what? I will answer them but break it down. One question at a time.

If you ask any Muslim the Question:
"Who has the power to forgive sins?", The obvious response would be Allah only!
AND
If you ask any Muslim the Question:
"Who has the power to admit people into paradise"? , The obvious response still would be Allah only!

HOWEVER:

We can see two personalities who can forgive sins
1. Allah
2. Mohammed the Messenger

To cut the long story short, we can see that Mohammed would be the one to ADMIT people into paradise and NOT Allah.

Yet, Muslims try to convince everyone that only Allah can admit people into paradise.

QUESTIONS:
1. Since we can see that Mohammed can forgive Sins like Allah AND he is the one to Admit Muslims into paradise; What are the explanations you have that Mohammed is not a PARTNER with Allah?
2. What are the kinds of sins Mohammed cannot forgive?

Lukuluku69:
And another one!

Guess what? I will answer them but break it down. One question at a time.

Okay.
I will break them down for you!

LegalWolf:

If you ask any Muslim the Question:
"Who has the power to forgive sins?", The obvious response would be Allah only!
AND
If you ask any Muslim the Question:
"Who has the power to admit people into paradise"? , The obvious response still would be Allah only!

HOWEVER:
Evidence from the Shahada:
1. We know that it is impossible for anyone now to become a Muslim WITHOUT reciting the shahada pledging a belief in both Allah and Mohammed.

2. Evidence from the Qur'an
Qur'an 46:31
O our people! respond to Allah’s summoner and believe in Him. He will forgive you some of your sins and guard you from a painful doom.

Observations:
1. Muslims are enjoined by Allah to have faith in Mohammed
2. Mohammed has the power to forgive sins of Muslims AND
3. save them from painful hellfire
4. HOWEVER, It seems UNLIKE Allah, Mohammed can only forgive SOME of Muslim's sins.

This is also confirmed in the next Quranic verse
Qur'an 4:64
We sent no messenger save that he should be obeyed by Allah’s leave. And if, when they had wronged themselves, they had but come unto thee and asked forgiveness of Allah, and asked forgiveness of the messenger, they would have found Allah Forgiving, Merciful.

We can see two personalities who can forgive sins
1. Allah
2. Mohammed the Messanger

3. Evidence from the Hadith
To make it more clear, we can check the Hadiths (the hadith is long but you can read the full text in www.sunnah.com

Sahih Bukhari 7410
Narrated Anas:
The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Allah will gather the believers on the Day of Resurrection in the same way (as they are gathered in this life), and they will say, 'Let us ask someone to intercede for us with our Lord that He may relieve us from this place of ours.' ..
...
They will go to Jesus who will say, 'I am not fit for this undertaking, but you'd better go to Muhammad whose sins of the past and the future had been forgiven (by Allah).' So they will come to me and I will ask the permission of my Lord, and I will be permitted (to present myself) before Him. ..... O Muhammad! Raise your head and speak, for you will be listened to; and ask, for you will be granted (your request); and intercede, for your intercession will be accepted.' I will then raise my head and praise my Lord with certain praises which He has taught me, and then I will intercede. Allah will allow me to intercede (for a certain kind of people) and will fix a limit whom I will admit into Paradise.

The story starts from Adam, then to Noah, then to Abraham, then to Moses and eventually to Jesus who would ALL reject the assignment because they are UNFIT for it.

It is amazing that even though Jesus didn't have any excuse for being UNFIT, he recommends Mohammed as the one that is perfect for the assignment.

To cut the long story short, we can see that Mohammed would be the one to ADMIT people into paradise and NOT Allah.

Yet, Muslims try to convince everyone that only Allah can admit people into paradise.

QUESTIONS:
1. Since we can see that Mohammed can forgive Sins like Allah AND he is the one to Admit Muslims into paradise; What are the explanations you have that Mohammed is not a PARTNER with Allah?
2. What are the kinds of sins Mohammed cannot forgive?


Copy:
I’m tagging you before you claim that you are not aware of this challenge to answer my question.


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[quote author=AntiChristian post=119047703][/quote]If you ask any Muslim the Question:
"Who has the power to forgive sins?", The obvious response would be Allah only!
AND
If you ask any Muslim the Question:
"Who has the power to admit people into paradise"? , The obvious response still would be Allah only!

HOWEVER:
Evidence from the Shahada:
1. We know that it is impossible for anyone now to become a Muslim WITHOUT reciting the shahada pledging a belief in both Allah and Mohammed.

2. Evidence from the Qur'an
Qur'an 46:31
O our people! respond to Allah’s summoner and believe in Him. He will forgive you some of your sins and guard you from a painful doom.

Observations:
1. Muslims are enjoined by Allah to have faith in Mohammed
2. Mohammed has the power to forgive sins of Muslims AND
3. save them from painful hellfire
4. HOWEVER, It seems UNLIKE Allah, Mohammed can only forgive SOME of Muslim's sins.

This is also confirmed in the next Quranic verse
Qur'an 4:64
We sent no messenger save that he should be obeyed by Allah’s leave. And if, when they had wronged themselves, they had but come unto thee and asked forgiveness of Allah, and asked forgiveness of the messenger, they would have found Allah Forgiving, Merciful.

We can see two personalities who can forgive sins
1. Allah
2. Mohammed the Messanger

3. Evidence from the Hadith
To make it more clear, we can check the Hadiths (the hadith is long but you can read the full text in www.sunnah.com

Sahih Bukhari 7410
Narrated Anas:
The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Allah will gather the believers on the Day of Resurrection in the same way (as they are gathered in this life), and they will say, 'Let us ask someone to intercede for us with our Lord that He may relieve us from this place of ours.' ..
...
They will go to Jesus who will say, 'I am not fit for this undertaking, but you'd better go to Muhammad whose sins of the past and the future had been forgiven (by Allah).' So they will come to me and I will ask the permission of my Lord, and I will be permitted (to present myself) before Him. ..... O Muhammad! Raise your head and speak, for you will be listened to; and ask, for you will be granted (your request); and intercede, for your intercession will be accepted.' I will then raise my head and praise my Lord with certain praises which He has taught me, and then I will intercede. Allah will allow me to intercede (for a certain kind of people) and will fix a limit whom I will admit into Paradise.

The story starts from Adam, then to Noah, then to Abraham, then to Moses and eventually to Jesus who would ALL reject the assignment because they are UNFIT for it.

It is amazing that even though Jesus didn't have any excuse for being UNFIT, he recommends Mohammed as the one that is perfect for the assignment.

To cut the long story short, we can see that Mohammed would be the one to ADMIT people into paradise and NOT Allah.

Yet, Muslims try to convince everyone that only Allah can admit people into paradise.

QUESTIONS:
1. Since we can see that Mohammed can forgive Sins like Allah AND he is the one to Admit Muslims into paradise; What are the explanations you have that Mohammed is not a PARTNER with Allah?
2. What are the kinds of sins Mohammed cannot forgive?


Copy:
I’m tagging you before you claim that you are not aware of this challenge to answer my question.


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Lukuluku69:
Like I said, you can keep asking your question. Keep them playing in your head. The questions are yours and you are free to ask them.

As for what you stated elsewhere in this post, I hope you know that most of these sayings are couched in the idioms of the Semitic Language. That is why you don't dwell too much on the literal meanings in the message. This the Muslims know too well.

When a Muslim for instance says someone is "Omo a'shaitani" we don't mean that Shaitan gave birth to such child but he/she follows a way that is deviant in nature.

Keep asking your question answering or not answering them doesn't mean another Muslim is "Courageous" than the others as you always says.

But you Muslims are even more GUILTY of this if it is the Offence.

Christians say Jesus is "the Son of God"
Muslims acclaim:
God does not have a WIFE, therefore
Far be it from Allah to have a son and if Allah desires a son, he would have begotten him from "US" (family of Allah)
If God is Almighty, Must God have a Wife to have Children?

Did Christians EVER made a mistake to ascribe a Wife to God?
Did Christians ever INSINUATE that God procreated a child in a BIOLOGICAL sense?

You have forgotten that the Whole of the OLD TESTAMENT and much of the NEW TESTAMENT are steeped deeply in SEMITIC Language and Culture?

Do you know what Scapegoat Mean?
Do you understand what Atonement mean?
Do you understand one of the greatest purpose of sacrifice of animals?

It is Muslims who DO NOT understand Semitic Cultures: Why?
The Quran never explained ANYTHING clearly to you.

This is the Reason no Muslim can understand what a SPIRIT is: do you!?

Blessedmercy8:
Jane Mena, celebrity TWERKER opens her safe box filled with pounds, dollars and naira after 2 years.

This is huge guys.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dRmmwd-kNg

When Armed Robbers Attack them at home, they would have forgotten that they caused it>

HisSplendor:
Can you imagine that this guy has raised many posts regarding this topic in which it was clearly shown that false prophets spoke a lie which Jeremiah taught was from God and then when God spoke with Jeremiah God told him He didn't send them but they prophesied lies in His name. Yet he came here to make it a thread that God deceived Jeremiah.

All the other scripture he posted above too are half truths which he has been using for many years to falsely paint God as a liar. He fails in every attempt.

Yet the liar whose father is the devil came and made a thread on falsehood. He's as shameless as his prophet who gave him taqiyya

Unfortunately, they are clutching on straws like a drowning man in the ocean: desperately looking for anything to discredit the gospel with: but always they fail.

AntiChristian:
It may contain them but do they justify your claims?

That's the lie!

It would only be a lie if the verses quoted are FABRICATED: unfortunately, they are from your Islamic literatures AND I always Add REFERENCES so that you can verify.

I then go AHEAD to ASK QUESTIONS: then Instead of Muslims answering the Questions to CORRECT any perceived MISCONCEPTION by me, what do they DO!?
1. Like you AntiChristian, Muslims claim, it's a LIE without Justifying why its a lie NOR pointing out where the POSTS are lies. No single Rebuttal to TenQ's post.
2. Like Lukuluku (he is still the best of the whole lot of you) , some Muslims answers other related questions avoiding the main issue at stake.
3. Like LegalWolf who thinks by writing IRRELEVANT volumes of words, NEVER even coming close to responding to any issues while at the same time resorting to SLANDER and Name calling
4. Like vannessa7 who will pretend she didn't read the post.
5. Other muslims are a mixture of the above.