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Ohyoudidnt:
What are you saying about timing?
You then go into a needless epistle talking anout parables.
You forget about time with God and time with mankind?



You must say something to show you die fighting or arguing? It's relativity and it shouldn't be misinterpreted to mean that there aren't rich men who are also amongst the first entrants into paradise.
You seem to allude imperfection in Allah's perfect justice, mercy and reward?

I received another Ban due to no fault of mine. Nairaland may lose active members at this rate.
Let's see if this attachment will go through.

Ohyoudidnt:
You know you only waste your time asking question you already have your own answers to so will appreciate when your inputs are ignored.

All I ask is WHY is there a 500 years delay for a rich man to enter paradise?

Ohyoudidnt:
You know you only waste your time asking question you already have your own answers to so will appreciate when your inputs are ignored.


Is the intelligence waning with age or brilliance getting lazy?

You agree with your biblical statement where it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God; Matthew 19:24 but cannot understand the concept of human time and calendar compared to time with Allah or God if you like?

See also Psalm 90:4 (ESV): “For a thousand years in your sight are but as yesterday when it is past, or as a watch in the night but it may not count as it is a song of David?


A day with your Lord is like a thousand years of what you count.” — (Qur’an 22:47)


Is Tenq getting overwhelmed and tired of his fruitless rambling?

The words of Jesus is easy to understand sir and it has NOTHING to do with Timings.

Jesus was known to teach with Parables, Figures of Speech, Metaphors and Similes, Proverbs and story telling, you will see that this teaching of Jesus was a hyperbole teaching that you cannot enter Paradise with the load of your wealth!

The meaning: A rich man depends more on his riches than God in this life. Thus, it is more difficult for him to find salvation for his soul.
Thus, Jesus teaches that the cares of this world facilitated with riches if not striped off will prevent a rich man from entering paradise.


Now, back to your Hadith. It was a flat statement by Mohammed about a DELAY or WAITING period for the Rich to Enter Paradise.

Jami` at-Tirmidhi 2351
Abu Sa'eed narrated that the Messenger of Allah (s.a.w) said: "The poor Muhajirin will enter Paradise before the rich among them by five hundred years."


What is the sense in this?
Your EXPLANATION:
What is the sense in a Rich Pious Muslim waiting 500 years before being admitted into Paradise?

What is his offence?
Don't forget that Allah's destiny made him both Rich and Religious at the same time!

Ohyoudidnt:
Regardless, you project knowing better about Islam than Muslims don't you?

What is the sense in a Rich Pious Muslim waiting 500 years before being admitted into Paradise?

What is his offence?
Don't forget that Allah's destiny made him both Rich and Religious at the same time!

SMH!


No wonder, the Hadith is so ..... That you cannot even defend it's authenticity!


Jami` at-Tirmidhi 2351
Abu Sa'eed narrated that the Messenger of Allah (s.a.w) said:
"The poor Muhajirin will enter Paradise before the rich among them by five hundred years."

WriterNig:
Al Jazeera || Strait Times

1000-19: Russia & Ukraine Exchange Dead Bodies Of Soldiers Killed (Photos)

If there is an iota of truth in this news, and is not the usual Russian propaganda, then
Russia must have the crop of the most incompetent Generals and Soldiers in the world.

1000 dead Ukrainians to 19 Dead Russians and you haven't overrun Ukraine!?



Imagine on a chess board, a dude with his Queen, Two Castles, Two Bishops and his two Knights complete with Four Pawns cannot checkmate a guy with only Two Pawns remaining in FIVE moves must be incompetent!


Sorry!
This is what your happy news is portraying if it is true: it reeks of Russian Army's Gross INCOMPETENCY!

Ohyoudidnt:
You cannot investigate this?

You are the Muslim: Is this hadith actually TRUE?

Ohyoudidnt:
The first revelation is Surah 96? Please tell if you are honest if all the verses of this Surah were revealed at once then explain how it was completed.

Google is your friend as the first revelation of the Qur'an is definitely Surah 96.

So, Jibril wanted to dictate the Qur'an from the Book of Allah to Mohammed, so he started from Surah 96 instead of Surah Al-Fathiha!?

Just seeing how it makes sense to Muslims!

TheJustPath:
How exactly am I buttressing your point? Try to follow your own argument for once instead of twisting it to sound clever. Islam does not teach that wealth or status guarantees Paradise — if anything, the opposite is true. The Prophet Muhammad (ﷺ) warned that the rich will be held to account more severely, and no amount of clerics praying can bribe Allah.

So your claim that ‘more prayers for the rich means higher chances of Paradise’ is just lazy thinking. Our prayers are never worthless, but they don’t override someone’s deeds, because ultimate judgment belongs to Allah alone — not crowds at a funeral.

Next time, get your facts right before parroting half-baked assumptions about Islam. Sincerity and good deeds matter, not your warped idea that influence buys divine favour. Try reading what Islam actually says — it might help you make a point that holds up for once.

So, why do you pray for the Rich and Influential if your prayers means NOTHING!?

Ohyoudidnt:
One more thing you can marvel about amongst the many things you already marvel on. Go read Jami` at-Tirmidhi 2354 and make what you can or will of it please.

All I ask is ,
Is this hadith actually TRUE?

Ohyoudidnt:
What is?

Of what significance is earthly ordinance to acceptance of prayer? If the poor has many who silently pray for him or her will this be ineffective because they are not recognised clergy?

The best of people in the sight of Allah are not those with the most wealth, but those with the most God-consciousness, righteous deeds, good character, and sincere devotion to Him.

You have expressed about what you see and hear physically but so much you don't know about between Allah and his creation.

The Prophet pbuh said:
The poor will enter Paradise five hundred years before the rich among the Muslims. al-Tirmidhi

Poverty is not dishonor; rather, many of the pious were poor in material life but rich in faith

I marvel at Muslims because they never check the substance of a hadith before nodding their heads in awe.


Does this hadith below even make sense to you?
The Prophet pbuh said:
The poor will enter Paradise five hundred years before the rich among the Muslims. al-Tirmidhi

Ohyoudidnt:
Did Prophet Muhammad pbuh rearrange the Quran? No.

The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) didn’t rearrange the Qur’an on his own. The order of its verses and chapters was actually guided by Allah through the angel Jibril.

Every year, Jibril would review the Qur'an with the Prophet, and in the year of his passing, they went over it together twice.
(Sahih al-Bukhari, Book 61, Hadith 129)

This review, known as muaradah, wasn’t just about reciting the text; it was about confirming the proper order of the Qur’an to ensure it would be preserved and handed down correctly.

He doesn’t speak from his own desires; it’s purely a Revelation that has been revealed. (An-Najm:3–4)

The Qur’an exists as one in the Lawh al-Mahfuz and was revealed with authorized variations in how it can be recited.

The Qirāʾāt aren’t different versions of the Qur’an; they’re simply different authentic ways to recite the same divine text.

Lawh al-Mahfuz contains perfect divine knowledge of all human speech, actions, and intentions

Why is it that Muslims will never answer direct questions but ramble about stories not related to the Questions


1. So, give evidence where Allah authorized Mohammed to rearrange the Qur'an?
Example: Distortion by changing the position of words
First revelation Surah 96
Second revelation Surah 68
Third Revelation Surah 76
Fourth revelation Surah 74

When did Allah ask Mohammad to rearrange the Qur'an from the order of revelation?

The whole Qur'an was displaced from the order in which Allah sent it. And Allah NEVER gave any instructions to that effect.



2. The Qur'an of Allah in Paradise is ONE isn't it!?

Therefore, what was written in it?
Is it
Master of the day of Judgement?
OR
King of the day of Judgement?

Surely, only one of the two is written in the Book of Allah!

TheJustPath:
Your attempt at cheap mockery only exposes your shallow grasp of Islamic belief and basic human decency. First, who told you prayers are ‘wasted’? In Islam, the acceptance of any act of worship lies with Allah — not with your petty sarcasm. The fact that we can’t ‘guarantee’ what’s accepted doesn’t make it worthless — it makes us humble, unlike your smug certainty that reeks of arrogance.

Second, your comparison is laughable. Whether it’s the janitor who dies in obscurity or a head of state — the point is that everyone returns to Allah alone. Some may get more public prayers because of their position, but that doesn’t add an ounce to their deeds if they were corrupt. That Abacha had crowds at his funeral didn’t buy him an inch of Paradise if he didn’t deserve it.

Instead of obsessing over how many people pray, maybe learn that Islam values the sincerity of a single prayer more than your entire collection of sarcastic comments. Worry less about counting other people’s duas and more about the state of your own soul — because no amount of mockery will change your fate when your time comes.

You are still buttressing my point.

The Rich and Influential in Islam has higher chances of entering the Islamic paradise because more Islamic clerics will pray to Allah on their Behalf!


Or are you saying that your prayers are worthless?

Ohyoudidnt:
It seems you feel every occurrence is news worthy and makes the news.

Where is it stated that only prayers that make the news or said by sheikh that are granted?

That is not the point.

Is it untrue that
More Islamic clerics pray for the Rich and Influential in Islam?

Why is this ?
What is the fate of the Poor and Downtrodden?

Ohyoudidnt:
Allah authorised the arrangement not rearrangement of the Quran. This was done and passed on in instructions to the prophet who passed it on to his companions.

The reason why and the reason for the other hafs not being easily available is well known by you.

Zaid was asked to collect and compile not rearrange.

The Uthmanic standardization helped to unify the written form and limited recitation to just one harf to avoid any confusion. However, you can still find traces of the Ahruf in the authentic recitations (qiraat).

The ordering of the verses of the Quran was from Allah through Jibril to the prophet pbuh. The Quran was revised between Jibril and the prophet twice

Gabriel used to repeat the recitation of the Qur'an with the Prophet pbuh once a year, but he repeated it twice with him in the year he died. The Prophet pbuh used to stay in I`tikaf for ten days every year (in the month of Ramadan), but in the year of his death, he stayed in I`tikaf for twenty days. Bukhari 4998

The Prophet himself used to instruct the scribes of revelation: ‘Place this verse in the surah which mentions such and such.. (Al-Itqan, Vol 1, pg. 58)

The arrangement of verses and surahs in the Qur’an was done by the Prophet pbuh under divine instruction... It is not permissible to change this order by ijtihād. (Al-Burhan, Vol 1, pg. 259)

Both are revealed and correct showing accepted complementary meanings which do not contradict. These embrace some of the concept of the 7 modes

1. So, give evidence where Allah authorized Mohammed to rearrange the Qur'an?


2. The Qur'an of Allah in Paradise is ONE isn't it!?

Therefore, what was written in it?
Is it
Master of the day of Judgement?
OR
King of the day of Judgement?

Ohyoudidnt:
Don't you see how this suits you?

Qur’an 3:78 talks about a group among the People of the Book (namely some Jews and Christians) who intentionally twist their scriptures by using their tongues in such a way that a lie sounds like a truth coming from God. The verse condemns such a deception, where they pretend, “This is from Allah,” but it fact they are not and they give a lie to Allah knowingly. The situation of nearby verses and the primary tafsir agree that this is the reference to certain religious leaders who changed the Torah or the Gospel in order to lead others astray. The verse reaffirms the Qur’an as the source of the authentic revelation and its request to turn away from fabricated distortions.

Let me gie you an example of your distortion of the Quran
In Al-Fatiha,
Is the correct statement
Master of the day of Judgement
OR
King of the day of Judgement


Which of the TWO aboe did Allah Reveal?
You have used your tongue to distort "Maliki Yawmi-d-Din" to "Malik Yawmi-d-Din"
Now, no muslim know the exact original dictated by Jibril

Ohyoudidnt:
Can you prove the ahrufs weren't relayed by Jibril?

You are the one required to prove this not me!
Just show me the names of the 7 Ahruf and the Quran of these seen Ahruf

You cant find them!?

Ohyoudidnt:
The wisdom in how different parts of the Quran were revealed before it's appropriate composition is beyond you or you deliberately try to make a case where there isn't based on what you think should be?

Allah has a book, Jiril revealed the book to Mohammed BUT you rearranged the whole verses like a book that became unbounded and wind scattered them all over.

Who authorised the rearrangement of the Quran?
Was it Allah or Mohammed?

TheJustPath:
Your attempt at cheap mockery only exposes your shallow grasp of Islamic belief and basic human decency. First, who told you prayers are ‘wasted’? In Islam, the acceptance of any act of worship lies with Allah — not with your petty sarcasm. The fact that we can’t ‘guarantee’ what’s accepted doesn’t make it worthless — it makes us humble, unlike your smug certainty that reeks of arrogance.

Second, your comparison is laughable. Whether it’s the janitor who dies in obscurity or a head of state — the point is that everyone returns to Allah alone. Some may get more public prayers because of their position, but that doesn’t add an ounce to their deeds if they were corrupt. That Abacha had crowds at his funeral didn’t buy him an inch of Paradise if he didn’t deserve it.

Instead of obsessing over how many people pray, maybe learn that Islam values the sincerity of a single prayer more than your entire collection of sarcastic comments. Worry less about counting other people’s duas and more about the state of your own soul — because no amount of mockery will change your fate when your time comes.

But you pray for the dead that Allah will have Mercy on them don't you?

You believe that your prayers will be heard by Allah: thus, except you don't believe this the more the prayers the better it is for the dead.

Ohyoudidnt:
Are you the record keeper of prayers to know who is prayed for? You believe all prayers must be publicised by the media?

I watch news o!
The richer and the more influential you are, the more the Islamic Sheikhs hired to pray for the repose of his soul.

Buhari is lucky just like Dantata who had the privilege to be buried in Medina

TheJustPath:
Your mockery only exposes how little you understand about Islam and how desperate you are to twist anything to fit your hollow narrative. In Islam, no amount of hired prayers, wealth, or worldly power can buy someone Paradise — not for Buhari, not for any king, not even for a Prophet’s own family. Allah says clearly: “And no bearer of burdens will bear the burden of another.” (Qur’an 6:164). Everyone is judged by their deeds, sincerity, and faith — not by who prays for them out of show or how much they can pay.

Unlike the man-made loopholes you see in corrupt religious structures — where power and money buy “indulgences” or “guaranteed salvation” — Islam shuts that door completely. The Qur’an says: “Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you.” (Qur’an 49:13). Not the richest. Not the most powerful. Not the one with the biggest crowd.

If people gather to pray for someone, it’s not a “guarantee” — it’s a request for Allah’s mercy. But whether that mercy is granted depends on the sincerity of the person’s own faith and deeds. Islam teaches us to pray for the living and the dead because we believe in the power of supplication, not because we believe prayers magically cancel out injustice or corruption if they truly existed.

So instead of mocking, maybe reflect on the fact that in Islam, no one gets a free pass — and every leader, no matter how high they sit in this world, will stand alone before Allah. That’s real accountability. Can you say the same for your own beliefs, where people claim to be “saved” no matter what they do?

Next time, learn the difference between sincere prayer and empty ritual. In Islam, money and titles die at the grave — only deeds live on.

If your prayers are not guaranteed, why waste your time?

What we Observe as Reality:
Poor people don't get as many Muslims praying for the repose of their souls as the Rich.

How many Muslims pray for the Aboki who fell off a moving Trailer?
Compare with those who prayed for Gen Sanni Abacha.

Sorry!

doffman:
🤣 go ask your Paul and co that gave you your corrupted book nah :

Quran 2:79
So woe to those who distort the Scripture with their own hands then say, “This is from Allah”—seeking a fleeting gain! So woe to them for what their hands have written, and woe to them for what they have earned.

Where did they keep the original word of Isa ( PBUH)

Nice verse!
But it fits the Qur'an like a Glove!



Quran 2:79
So woe to those who distort the Scripture with their own hands then say, “This is from Allah”—seeking a fleeting gain! So woe to them for what their hands have written, and woe to them for what they have earned.

How?

Qur'an 3:78
"And indeed, there is among them a party who alter the Scripture with their tongues so you may think it is from the Scripture, but it is not from the Scripture. And they say, 'This is from Allah,' but it is not from Allah. And they speak untruth about Allah while they know."

Distortion with the Mouth:
One Ahruf from Jibril multiplies to SEVEN and each one of these had 10 Qira'at

Distortion by changing the position of words
First revelation Surah 96
Second revelation Surah 68
Third Revelation Surah 76
Fourth revelation Surah 74

The whole Qur'an was displaced from the order in which Allah sent it. And Allah NEVER gave any instructions to that effect.

Qur'an 2:75
“Do you hope that they would believe you while a party of them used to hear the words of Allah and then distort it [i.e., change the position of the words] after they had understood it while they were knowing?”

AntiChristian:
Allah narrates the story of Jesus himself saying he is the slave of Allah!

Qur'an 19:30.

And this is confirmed by Jesus putting his head on the floor when afraid of death! Going a little farther, He fell facedown and pray ... Matthew 26:39!

Talk is cheap!

I was the one who mislead Mohammed to call Jesus Ye'shua as ISA!

[quote author=FreeStuffsNG post=136111758][/quote]In Islam, the Rich and Powerful are guaranteed paradise because a lot of people can be hired to pray for them.

Lucky you Buhari that people are praying for Allah to have Mercy on you!

TheJustPath
I almost cannot post anything on Nairaland without being flagged. Let's see if this will go through






Let's see now!

Ken4Christ:
If salvation is assured in Islam, why did Muhammed say he is unsure of what will be done with him and those following? - Sura 46:9

TenQ had been shadowbanned for some times now. It is so serious that I may have to stop using Nairaland in it's entirety.

There is no Muslim that knows how to be saved. They only hope that by doing more religion, Allah will have mercy upon them.

They honestly want to be able to hold on to any guarantee BUT unfortunately, there isn't. This is their dilemma!

naptu2:
It is your opinion that it is not, it is their opinion that it is.

Once again, drop your opinion and keep it moving, rather that at tacking others for dropping their opinions.

I guess and it seems you may be one of those intellectually lazy youths Buhari spoke about who does not know the exact job of a President but who are quick to justify mediocrity from one elected as to facilitate the total prosperity of citizens but who ended up being their nemesis!


Have a nice day!
Buhari was the Best President Nigeria ever had since Lord Lugard!

naptu2:
Can you be accused of blackwashing?

You have your opinion, which you expressed and they have their opinion, which they expressed. None of them are white or black washing. Everybody cannot see things in the same way.

Except if the job of the President is what they have described which is unfortunately not.

So, while not disputing what they have said, I have simply corrected them and point them in the right direction.







Is the job of the President to build bridges and roads?

iwaeda:
https://saharareporters.com/2025/07/14/mahmuda-terrorists-strike-again-kwara-slaughter-resident-others-feared-abducted

Islam is PEACE!










Not enough original content!
Is the original content enough now?

naptu2:
What do you remember ex President Buhari for?


Sheidu Emjay BMLS, PhD n'Grab @EmjaySheidu



https://x.com/EmjaySheidu/status/1944747047757676998?t=5Rq3PyOGBL08qK51BO6X6w&s=19



PragmaticDB @DBPragmatic



https://x.com/DbPragmatic/status/1944754071891595463?t=TJ5befuqFvWXOo8z7iBLkg&s=19


TAS @DipoSpeak



https://x.com/DipoSpeak/status/1944759954906452348?t=vKz5qcRnuBUF4RgKELyefA&s=19

Photo 1) Second Niger Bridge

Photo 2) Lagos-Ibadan Rail Line

Photo 3) N-Power

Photo 4) Renovated Dr Nnamdi Azikiwe's Masoleum

99% of these has NOTHING to do with the Job of a President.

The Job of a President is to facilitate the Total Prosperity and Welfare of CITIZENS of a Country!

If the average citizen do not experience these, the President has FAILED.

#The Average Nigerians became Poorer under Buhari
#The Average Nigerians cannot guarantee security either from Kidnappers or Cattle Bandits or Boko Haram under Buhari
#Under Buhari, your HealthCare is your sole responsibility while his own healthcare was the Government's responsibility
#Under Buhari, the Business climate became Harder: a case of swim or drown. But the same Buhari who couldn't raise 7million Naira for APC presidential Ticket had his wife's 1 Billion Naira stolen by her PA.

The list can go on and on.

Sorry, there is no point whitewashing a sepulchre!