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What do you remember ex President Buhari for?


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Photo 1) Second Niger Bridge

Photo 2) Lagos-Ibadan Rail Line

Photo 3) N-Power

Photo 4) Renovated Dr Nnamdi Azikiwe's Masoleum

99% of these has NOTHING to do with the Job of a President.

The Job of a President is to facilitate the Total Prosperity and Welfare of CITIZENS of a Country!

If the average citizen do not experience these, the President has FAILED.

#The Average Nigerians became Poorer under Buhari
#The Average Nigerians cannot guarantee security either from Kidnappers or Cattle Bandits or Boko Haram under Buhari
#Under Buhari, your HealthCare is your sole responsibility while his own healthcare was the Government's responsibility
#Under Buhari, the Business climate became Harder: a case of swim or drown. But the same Buhari who couldn't raise 7million Naira for APC presidential Ticket had his wife's 1 Billion Naira stolen by her PA.

The list can go on and on.

Sorry, there is no point whitewashing a sepulchre!

honesttalk21


Do not hate the Truth!


Bye!

honesttalk21:
Allah spoke to the disciples through Jesus or isn't that clear?

Busted your attempt to make Jesus equal to Allah. May Allah be praised above any and everything

So, you needed to rewrite the direct words of Allah just because you needed to affirm the lies of your scholars!

Muslims do NOT believe in their Allah: is an understatement!
Muslims calling White as Black is the nature of their spirit: LIES!

May you be delivered from your self deception!

On the day you choose the TRUTH, you will receive Freedom from satanic deception. Unfortunately, desiring this Truth must come from you first!

John 8:32
Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”

honesttalk21:
Ouch so you gave out your mischievous intent. The arabic terms translated to you are illustrated and the other for him shown but you wish to equate Jesus to ? May this be forbidden.

Your following preferred translation is captured in the explanations regarding alaykum and minkum of Arabic translated to you. Oops you didn't slow down.

Why didn't the disciples ask Allah by themselves if they communicated with Allah directly?


Remember I have told you what you often try to do before? Never truthful in your statements.

Since you disagree with the two "would have being" translations of the Quran, we are left with just one option.

Against your preferred re-interpretation of the Quran, Allah spoke DIRECTLY to the Disciples of Jesus!

Thus, you should answer the question
How did Allah speak to the disciples of Jesus when they are not prophets?


See how you cannot answer a direct question because of preferred lies!?

tunnyl:
Bros go and buy Brighter Grammar or essential English textbook abeg.

Can you see your life outside!?


Islam cannot withstand scrutiny: Why?
The Lies keep getting EXPOSED!

Unfortunately, the mantra of Muslims seem to be:
Don't confuse me with the TRUTH because I have already up my mind.

This is the stance that lead people to Hell Fire!
A person willfully holding on to a LIE they honestly wish to be True!

If the Disciples of Jesus were not Prophets, how did Allah speak DIRECTLY to them?

honesttalk21:
You probably should look at the variations in terms translated to mean you.

The term ʿalaykum (you) usually indicates a collective address, meaning it refers to everyone present or being spoken to. In the context of this verse about the miracle, it likely includes all those who witnessed the event, like the disciples and possibly Jesus himself.

Following this the term minkum (you) adds a more selective touch. It means "from among you" or "some of you." Here, it implies that the message or outcome is directed at a specific group within the larger audience.

Allah’s punishment is not collective for the entire group,but is targeted at any one individual within the group or larger audience who disbelieves. This is why you now have him.

PS don't forget that Allah spoke to the disciples through Jesus

You started with the truth BUT concluded it with a LIE. Let me reiterate the Truth of what you said which had been consistent with what I said.

1. The first YOU is COLLECTIVE indicating that Allah was speaking DIRECTLY to Jesus AND His Disciples
2. The second YOU is EXCLUSIVE indicating that Allah was speaking DIRECTLY to only the Disciples of Jesus ALONE.

The LIE you concluded with: that Jesus was speaking THROUGH Jesus to His Disciples.

If Allah was speaking to the Disciples through Jesus, Allah would have said:

Qur'an 5:115
Allah said, "Indeed, I will send it down to THEM, but whoever disbelieves afterwards from among THEM—then indeed I will punish him with a punishment by which I have not punished anyone among the worlds."

OR

Qur'an 5:115
Allah said, "Indeed, I will send it down to YOU, but whoever disbelieves afterwards from among THEM—then indeed I will punish him with a punishment by which I have not punished anyone among the worlds."

Either of these two versions above will indicate that Allah was speaking to the Disciples THROUGH Jesus
I want to believe that Allah speaks clearly and is perfect in grammar!


Unless you show otherwise, Allah was indeed speaking DIRECTLY to the Disciples of Jesus and Jesus: BUT they are not prophets
How did Allah speak to the disciples of Jesus when they are not prophets?

tunnyl:
Someone already lectured him thoroughly yet he remained stubborn

I didn't ask for the summary of the story as it is clearly stated by Allah.

My question was simple and is only one.


Looking strictly to what Allah said:
Qur'an 5:115
Allah said, "Indeed, I will send it down to YOU, but whoever disbelieves afterwards from among YOU —then indeed I will punish HIM with a punishment by which I have not punished anyone among the worlds."

Allah was obviously speaking DIRECTLY to the Disciples of Jesus



My Question was simply:
How did Allah speak DIRECTLY to the disciples of Jesus knowing that they were not prophets?



This was my question as I understand the storyline by Allah!

honesttalk21:
Remember they had asked him in Quran 5:112 O `Isa, son of Maryam! Can your Lord send down to us a Ma'idah from heaven?

They further said they wanted to eat from it and be reassured that he (Jesus) had been truthful to them.

Indeed you know the reliance of Jews on miracles as a means to deepen spiritual purpose and affirm a prophet’s mission and message.

عَلَيْكُمْ (upon you) is plural.
It refers to Jesus and his disciples together, but more immediately the disciples, since they were the ones requesting the miracle.

The threat of punishment is not to Jesus, but to anyone among the disciples or their people who disbelieves after witnessing the miracle.

Elijah called fire down from heaven to prove the Lord is God, yet the nation of Israel continued to waver in unbelief.

1 Kings 18:21 (ESV):
"And Elijah came near to all the people and said, 'How long will you go limping between two different opinions? If the Lord is God, follow him; but if Baal, then follow him.' And the people did not answer him a word."

John 12:37 (NIV):
"Even after Jesus had performed so many signs in their presence, they still would not believe in him."

Acts 7:51–52 (ESV):
"You stiff-necked people, uncircumcised in heart and ears, you always resist the Holy Spirit. As your fathers did, so do you. Which of the prophets did your fathers not persecute?"

Are you saying clearly that Allah was speaking DIRECTLY to BOTH the Disciples?

Let me see if I understand you?

In the verse was
1. A first YOU : Allah's speech probably to both Jesus and His Disciples
2. A second YOU : Allah's speech strictly DIRECTLY to the Disciples of Jesus
3. A HIM : Allah's speech also strictly DIRECTLY to the Disciples of Jesus

Is this above correct?

tunnyl:
In your mind you think this is a smart argument that you have confused and cornered those muslims but I am telling you point blank that this argument is very childish and makes no sense at all because this is pure english. Don’t you understand english?

Common english!


Who is YOU
What is HIM

Common english you are trying to complicate something simple. Which one is God spoke to the disciples. Does it make sense? And whats the big deal if God spoke directly to the disciples.

Mr man rest abeg!

I did not ask who is YOU
Neither did I ask what is HIM

I said:
Who is the first YOU in the verse?
Who is the Second YOU in the verse?
Who is the HIM in the verse?


The question is easy for anyone who intend to speak the Truth.





BTW:
Why do Muslims find the truth so difficult and inconvenient to speak?

honesttalk21:
In Surah al-Maidah (5:115), Allah speaks to the disciples of Isa (Jesus) through him as they ask for a heavenly table (maidah), delivering a profound message that combines both mercy and a serious warning about disbelief following a miracle.

Allah’s response is twofold: Mercy and Warning.

“I will send it down to you...”

This reflects Allah’s mercy and His acceptance of their prayer.

“...but whoever disbelieves thereafter...”

Here lies a stern warning: anyone who disbelieves after witnessing this miracle will face severe consequences.

This is because witnessing a divine miracle comes with immense responsibility.

To turn away after such a sign is not just ignorance; it’s a deliberate and arrogant rejection.

It is very convenient for you to explain away the LITERAL words of your Allah for your own INTERPOLATIONS.

This is why you cannot answer direct questions based on the verse.


So, looking strictly to what Allah said exactly:
Qur'an 5:115
Allah said, "Indeed, I will send it down to YOU, but whoever disbelieves afterwards from among YOU —then indeed I will punish HIM with a punishment by which I have not punished anyone among the worlds."

Who is the first YOU in the verse?
Who is the Second YOU in the verse?
Who is the HIM in the verse?

The answers will tell us who Allah was speaking to: do you agree with this?



Unless you show otherwise, Allah was speaking to the Disciples of Jesus and Jesus:
How did Allah speak to the disciples of Jesus?

tunnyl:
Mr man this is not a valid argument neither is it sensible. Even a child knows by reading the simple verse that Allah didn’t speak to the disciples directly.

Also Allah is aware of the request in the first place even before Jesus asked him for it. And why is it such a big deal that Allah answered the disciples through Jesus. Or what exactly are you getting at.

If someone sends your brother to you for a favour and your bother says “Brother, our neighbor wants to borrow charger” and you replied “I dont borrow charger anyhow but i will borrow them this time but if they spoil I will visit them”

Did you go to your neighbor’s house yourself to deliver the response?

Didn’t you still communicate with your neighbor through your brother?


Typing is a tedious task my brother especially pointless typing

Notice how you used the word them in your example because the instructions doesn't belong to my Brother but to the Neighbour.



So, looking strictly to what Allah said exactly:
Qur'an 5:115
Allah said, "Indeed, I will send it down to you, but whoever disbelieves afterwards from among you—then indeed I will punish him with a punishment by which I have not punished anyone among the worlds."

Who is the first YOU in the verse?
Who is the Second YOU in the verse?
Who is the HIM in the verse?

The answers will tell us who Allah was speaking to: do you agree with this?



Unless you show otherwise, Allah was speaking to the Disciples of Jesus and Jesus:
How did Allah speak to the disciples of Jesus?

tunnyl:
Oh! So thats the issue. Yes Allah speaks clearly but Quran is also a book of prayers. It is not a story book. The reason Allah spoke that way is best known to him maybe there’s a prayer there.

But if it is the case like you said it would have been written in the Quran that “and Allah said to Jesus and his disciples…..” if one were to go by your logic so you are wrong.

I am sure you know that this isn't prayers: it is a report of what actually happened with Jesus and His Disciples as narrated by Allah himself.

1. Are you trying to explain away EXACTLY what Allah said for something you want him to have said!?
2. Is Allah not better in speech that anyone in existence: if he is, why can't we trust that Allah mean exactly what he said?

If we go EXACTLY with what Allah said,


Let me break it down according to the Qur'an
1. The disciples of Jesus are no prophets
2. Allah did not even speak directly to Mohammed
3. The disciples asked Jesus for food from Allah
4. Jesus spoke to Allah about this request
5. Allah spoke directly to the Disciples





I want to believe that Allah speaks clearly and is perfect in grammar! I hope that I am correct with this assumption!


Unless you show otherwise, Allah was indeed speaking DIRECTLY to the Disciples of Jesus and Jesus: BUT they are not prophets
So, my Question:
How did Allah speak to the disciples of Jesus when they are not prophets?

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tunnyl:
Nobody said Allah spoke to Jesus’ disciples. Jesus was the intermediary between Allah and the disciples.

Of course Jesus’ disciples aren’t prophets obviously.

Allah sent his angels to Mohammed to convey his messages. Allah knows best why he does what he does.

And please no long texts. I believe a proper messages should be conveyed in the simplest form. This is not a lecture room

PART 2

If Allah was speaking to Jesus for His disciples, this was what Allah would have said!

Qur'an 5:115
Allah said, "Indeed, I will send it down to THEM, but whoever disbelieves afterwards from among THEM—then indeed I will punish him with a punishment by which I have not punished anyone among the worlds."


Do you agree with this?
I want to believe that Allah speaks clearly and is perfect in grammar!


Unless you show otherwise, Allah was indeed speaking DIRECTLY to the Disciples of Jesus and Jesus: BUT they are not prophets
How did Allah speak to the disciples of Jesus when they are not prophets?

tunnyl:
Nobody said Allah spoke to Jesus’ disciples. Jesus was the intermediary between Allah and the disciples.

Of course Jesus’ disciples aren’t prophets obviously.

Allah sent his angels to Mohammed to convey his messages. Allah knows best why he does what he does.

And please no long texts. I believe a proper messages should be conveyed in the simplest form. This is not a lecture room

Here is exactly what Allah said:
Qur'an 5:115
Allah said, "Indeed, I will send it down to you, but whoever disbelieves afterwards from among you—then indeed I will punish him with a punishment by which I have not punished anyone among the worlds."

Who is the first YOU in the verse?
Who is the Second YOU in the verse?
Who is the HIM in the verse?

The answers will tell us who Allah was speaking to: do you agree with this?



Unless you show otherwise, Allah was speaking to the Disciples of Jesus and Jesus:
How did Allah speak to the disciples of Jesus?

tunnyl:
Durr. I am the op and it’s you I was referring to. This is a straightforward post that shouldn’t lead to confusion nor arguments.

So, why don't you answer my first question?

Islam and lies is like 5&6

Let me break it down according to the Qur'an
1. The disciples of Jesus are no prophets
2. Allah did not even speak directly to Mohammed
3. The disciples asked Jesus for food from Allah
4. Jesus spoke to Allah about this request
5. Allah spoke directly to the Disciples


Tell me, how did Allah speak to the disciples of Jesus?


This was my question: very specific!

If I get banned again, bye then







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CreativeOrbit:
You have the nerve to call Islam ‘a cascade of lies’ while ignoring that your own Bible is a patchwork of contradictions, forgeries, and anonymous authors you can’t even verify. Let’s break this down so you don’t keep embarrassing yourself:

1️⃣ Your ‘scriptures’ are riddled with proven fabrications.
How can you talk about ‘lies’ when your Bible has books you can’t trace to any eyewitness? Even your own scholars admit parts were added or removed over centuries. Islam’s Qur’an, in contrast, has been memorized word-for-word by millions for 1,400+ years — no council, no pope edits, no Greek scribes forging ‘gospels’ decades after Jesus left.

Please find me just one evidence that any Jibril came to Mohammed?
All the evidence to Islam starts and stops with one man Qutham Ibn Abdul-Lah aka Mohammed, the second first in command to Allah!
Are you aware that Jibril never once introduced himself to Mohammed?

If you doubt, show me one example!

CreativeOrbit:
2️⃣ You talk about ‘believing Allah Himself’ while you worship His creation.
Your doctrine says God became a man, got tortured by His own creation, then pretends that a sinless prophet’s message is a lie? Islam upholds pure monotheism: God is One, Absolute, Eternal — not a human who eats, sleeps, or dies on a cross begging His own ‘Father.’

At least you understand that God became Man and not that man became God. This is sufficient for now. Jibril coming to Mary as a perfect man doesn't change the fact that he is an angel!

Satanists have pure monotheism exactly like you : so in what way are you different when all the natures of Iblis as one is the same as your God. Allah is not Omnipresent, not Omnipotent and not Omniscient exactly as Iblis. So, what is the essence of your so-called "pure monotheism"?

CreativeOrbit:
3️⃣ You accuse Muslims of blind following, yet you’re a textbook example.
You parrot claims about ‘our scholars’ while your priests, popes, and councils have spent centuries debating basic truths — is Jesus God, is he the Son, is he the same as the Father? Three in one yet not three gods? You call that truth? It’s a theological circus — and you have the nerve to mock Islam’s clear Tawhid?

No wonder your prophet says you would be the most divided in sects and only one of these 73 sects will enter paradise.
Sunan Ibn Majah (Hadith 3992) and Jami` at-Tirmidhi (Hadith 2641)
Is this another lie of Mohammed?

You speak like someone whose confidence is shredded by TenQ. Too bad!

CreativeOrbit:
👉🏼 Bottom line:
Don’t project your confusion onto Islam. We follow the final revelation, preserved exactly as Allah revealed it — no middlemen rewriting it centuries later. You should focus on fixing the gaping holes in your Trinity puzzle before spewing lazy insults.

May Allah expose falsehood and guide sincere hearts to the truth — no matter how much you twist it.

There are hundreds of religions revelation coming out by the day sir.
Does it matter what revelation you follow as long as it is not from God Himself?

tunnyl:
Mr TenQ it is you who doesn’t understand abeg. You are reading the text based on your perspective. The statement is straightforward. Jesus’ disciples told him to ask God for table with plenty foods because they want to see miracles since jesus is a miracle worker.

Jesus cautioned them then he helped them to ask God and God said okay o Isa I will perform the magic trick for your disciples’ amusement but miracles is not a magic trick that they should be expecting to see anyhow and if after this miracle any of your disciples turns to disbelief then I will show them pepper.

Simple!

***Sorry for the earlier mixup. I was trying to address the guy that was arguing against the post***

I hear you o!

I was addressing lies told by Muslim scholars!

They have placed their Scholars as Lords instead of Allah and his prophet LOL!!

CreativeOrbit:
Your persistent trolling and repetitive questioning are unproductive and reflect poorly on you. What do you hope to achieve with this behavior?

Moving forward, I will not engage with redundant or disrespectful inquiries. Please refrain from such conduct if you expect further responses.

Hu huh hu!

Islam is based on cascades of lies that need many more lies to prop up.

My objective is to show you that your scholars have told you lies AND you need to choose either to believe them or to believe Allah himself.

Of course, you have chosen your scholars over both Allah and his prophet Mohammed : too bad!

CreativeOrbit:
Your childish attempt to twist the Qur’an’s wording only exposes your desperation — and your arrogant belief that you know Arabic and divine speech better than the One who revealed it. Let’s dismantle your petty rewrite:

1️⃣ Your fake ‘rewrite’ is pathetic.
You think adding ‘your disciples’ magically changes the meaning? It doesn’t — because context rules, not your wishful editing. In Arabic grammar, ‘kum’ (you) is plural — it clearly includes Isa’s disciples because the request originated from them through Isa. The Prophet prays, Allah answers the Prophet, and the message is delivered through the Prophet — that’s how revelation works. You can’t force your church logic of confusion onto clear Qur’anic structure.

2️⃣ Stop acting like you discovered some profound point.
The verse is a divine warning to the followers: ‘Whoever disbelieves after the miracle...’ It does not mean Allah came down and chatted with each disciple at the dinner table. Isa عليه السلام, as the Messenger, conveyed it. That’s basic Islamic creed — understood by every sane reader except someone desperately twisting words to plug holes in their own contradictory beliefs.

3️⃣ Your mockery of Allah’s speech is your downfall.
You have the audacity to talk about rewriting the Qur’an while your own Bible is a stitched mess of missing manuscripts, Greek forgeries, and church edits over centuries — and you still parade it as ‘inspired’. If you’re so confident, try bringing one unaltered gospel chain with direct authorship. You can’t.

4️⃣ Your ignorance of Arabic is showing.
‘You’ (plural) in classical Qur’anic Arabic includes all concerned in the context — the disciples who asked, Isa who prayed, and the condition attached. That’s what makes the Qur’an clear and precise. Unlike your Bible, it doesn’t need endless councils to ‘clarify’ what God ‘really meant’.

5️⃣ Bottom line:
You can mock, twist, and ‘rewrite’ all you want — you still haven’t produced a real contradiction. Your entire attack boils down to ‘I wish the Qur’an said this instead’. Sorry, the Qur’an doesn’t bend to your delusions.

👉🏼 So keep sneering — but know this: every time you distort the truth, you only prove how powerful the Qur’an is at exposing liars. May Allah guide you or shatter your arrogance if you persist in mocking His perfect words.

LOL!
What is the difference between what you are trying to say and what I wrote for you?




Qur'an 5:115
Allah said, "Indeed, I will send it down to you you ISA and your Disciples , but whoever disbelieves afterwards from among you YOUR DISCIPLES —then indeed I will punish him with a punishment by which I have not punished anyone among the worlds."

OR

Qur'an 5:115
Allah said, "Indeed, I will send it down to you, but whoever disbelieves afterwards from among you—then indeed I will punish him with a punishment by which I have not punished anyone among the worlds."

Which one do you truly believe without re-interpretations?

The question remains:
How did Allah speak to the disciples of Jesus?

Let me help you rewrite the Qur'an maybe it will smell nice to you


Qur'an 5:115
Allah said, "Indeed, I will send it down to you you ISA and your Disciples , but whoever disbelieves afterwards from among you YOUR DISCIPLES —then indeed I will punish him with a punishment by which I have not punished anyone among the worlds."

Mr CreativeOrbit,
The above is exactly how you WISHED Allah spoke isn't it?

You wish to Change the word YOU to the word YOUR as if Allah doesn't know how to speak better.