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honesttalk21:
Stop diverting from your failed propaganda that the Quran is not preserved .

It is preserved and all your arguments against that have been dismantled.

The Truth is Bitting You!?
All I see in YOU is FEAR and DESPERATION nothing else


So, and AGAIN you may help him to answer my questions
TWO Questions:
1. So, is Abdullah bin Salam a prophet of Allah or Mohammed?

It seems every prophet before Mohammed knew the answer except Mohammed until Jibril told him!
2. How come Mohammed was a prophet but he didn't know the answer till Abdullah bin Salam asked him?


Sahih al-Bukhari 3938 is the hadith we are looking at now. Muslims dislike scrutiny of their sources because their lies collapse like a pack of cards when they do

Are you more afraid?

honesttalk21:
Why bother with this guy. I have addressed his incorrect perception and misconceptions of evidence for. The Quran is well preserved as it was initially transmitted.

He is trying to water down the reality of his errot

Evidence of FEAR catching you!?

Your problem with me is that you have no answers for my Quizzes based on your Qur'an, Hadiths and Sira. The best you can do is to REPEAT the Standard Islamic Narrative as if it is a fact that erases the problems presented by your Islamic Sources.

So, you may help him to answer my questions
TWO Questions:
1. So, is Abdullah bin Salam a prophet of Allah or Mohammed?

It seems every prophet before Mohammed knew the answer except Mohammed until Jibril told him!
2. How come Mohammed was a prophet but he didn't know the answer till Abdullah bin Salam asked him?


Sahih al-Bukhari 3938 is the hadith we are looking at now. Muslims dislike scrutiny of their sources because their lies collapse like a pack of cards when they do

Are you afraid?

Explore2xmore:
I don't see anything wrong with the hadith.

The truth was spoken about Jibril

TWO Questions:
1. So, is Abdullah bin Salam a prophet of Allah or Mohammed?

It seems every prophet before Mohammed knew the answer except Mohammed until Jibril told him!
2. How come Mohammed was a prophet but he didn't know the answer till Abdullah bin Salam asked him?

Explore2xmore:
The statement about Jews that they are a people of falsehood, is more about a specific situation than a blanket statement about all Jews in Islam.
In Islamic teachings, there’s a deeper understanding that recognizes the diversity among Jewish communities. Some individuals who betrayed the trust during the time of the Prophet Muhammad in Medina were rightly criticized for their actions, while others were acknowledged for their honesty and integrity

We can come back to this later.

So, Tell me sir,
What is wrong IN this hadith about Mohammed's answer and can this hadith show that Mohammed was speaking the truth about Jibril or not?

Explore2xmore:
Very well and not unexpected from you.

Whoever is an enemy to Allah, His angels, His messengers, and Jibrīl and Mīkāl, then verily, Allah is an enemy to the disbelievers."
Surah al-Baqarah 2:98


You know Abdullah bin Salam accepted Islam

According to him and the hadith, `Abdullah bin Salam accepted Islam.

Has it come to your view that `Abdullah bin Salam could be the greatest liar amongst to Jews?
I believe you've heard of deep cover spies before!
LOL!

He said: ask them about me before they know about my conversion to Islam!

Even though, this is not the issue at stake, Can you please answer this YES or NO question
When`Abdullah bin Salam became a Muslim, did he cease being a Jew?


Then we can go back to the hadith

So, Tell me sir,
What is wrong IN this hadith about Mohammed's answer and can this hadith show that Mohammed was speaking the truth about Jibril or not?

Explore2xmore:
Long time troublesome Tenq.

What is the trick?

Hello my friend.
It's a long time.

You are wondering that what is the trick in the hadith I just posted!? `Abdullah bin Salam gave the trick question not me!

My claim with the hadith is that there is no Jibril anywhere and every claim about Jibril is certainly fraudulent!


Sahih al-Bukhari 3938
Narrated Anas:
When the news of the arrival of the Prophet (ﷺ) at Medina reached `Abdullah bin Salam, he went to him to ask him about certain things, He said, "I am going to ask you about three things which only a Prophet can answer: What is the first sign of The Hour? What is the first food which the people of Paradise will eat? Why does a child attract the similarity to his father or to his mother?" The Prophet (ﷺ) replied, "Gabriel has just now informed me of that." Ibn Salam said, "He (i.e. Gabriel) is the enemy of the Jews amongst the angels. The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "As for the first sign of The Hour, it will be a fire that will collect the people from the East to the West. As for the first meal which the people of Paradise will eat, it will be the caudate (extra) lobe of the fish-liver. As for the child, if the man's discharge proceeds the woman's discharge, the child attracts the similarity to the man, and if the woman's discharge proceeds the man's, then the child attracts the similarity to the woman." On this, `Abdullah bin Salam said, "I testify that None has the right to be worshipped except Allah, and that you are the Messenger of Allah." and added, "O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! Jews invent such lies as make one astonished, so please ask them about me before they know about my conversion to I slam . " The Jews came, and the Prophet (ﷺ)said, "What kind of man is `Abdullah bin Salam among you?" They replied, "The best of us and the son of the best of us and the most superior among us, and the son of the most superior among us. "The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "What would you think if `Abdullah bin Salam should embrace Islam?" They said, "May Allah protect him from that." The Prophet (ﷺ) repeated his question and they gave the same answer. Then `Abdullah came out to them and said, "I testify that None has the right to be worshipped except Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah!" On this, the Jews said, "He is the most wicked among us and the son of the most wicked among us." So they degraded him. On this, he (i.e. `Abdullah bin Salam) said, "It is this that I was afraid of, O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ).


Tell me sir,
What is wrong IN this hadith about Mohammed's answer and can this hadith show that Mohammed was speaking the truth about Jibril or not?

honesttalk21:
The alleged lies that have been squarely debunked?

You recently spoke on how Ibn Mas'ud pronounced a word in a verse of Surah Yusuf and this was debunked based on dialect difference of Hudhayl and Quraysh dialect?



You don't disagree with the hadith but label them as lies?

Please what are you stating?

I do not label your Hadiths as LIES, in fact they help expose the LIES of your Islamic Scholars from Mohammed down to the modern Muslim claims about Islam!

This is what I am stating!

It is amazing that as a Muslim, you did NOT see the problem with the hadith. The question was a trick question that both Mohammed and your Islamic scholars and then you have fallen for

Sahih al-Bukhari 3938
Narrated Anas:
When the news of the arrival of the Prophet (ﷺ) at Medina reached `Abdullah bin Salam, he went to him to ask him about certain things, He said, "I am going to ask you about three things which only a Prophet can answer: What is the first sign of The Hour? What is the first food which the people of Paradise will eat? Why does a child attract the similarity to his father or to his mother?" The Prophet (ﷺ) replied, "Gabriel has just now informed me of that." Ibn Salam said,........

Tell me honesttalk21,
What is wrong with this hadith and was Mohammed was speaking the truth about Jibril or not?

neyop85:
Iran is entitled to their own Nuclear deterrent. If Isreal has Nuclear bombs they have no moral justification to refuse Iran.

I agree except that Iran's Islamic government had vowed to wipe out the state of Israel even if it would cause them to cease as a nation?

Nuclear weapon systems along with long range missile system for their deployment is what Israel is going after

honesttalk21:
You had unsuccessfully used hadiths including those of Bukhari in your failed attempt to claim the Quran is not preserved. Why do you now disagree with the hadith?


Accept the truth of the Quran's preservation which I feel you passively express.

If you now wish to shifting the question to another that Questions the mode of receiving revelation? open a new thread.

I never disagreed with any of your Hadiths. I only used them to prove the lies of your Islamic scholars whose consensus you accept above both Allah and Mohammed.

This hadith was to show you that even the claim of Mohammed recieving information from Jibril is a FRAUD!

It is amazing that as a Muslim, you did NOT see the problem with the hadith. The question was a trick question that both Mohammed and your Islamic scholars and then you have fallen for

Mr honesttalk21,
I don't know why an Admin is deleting my posts.
If indeed Mohammed is not cooking up conjectures about Jibril , explain why this hadith doesn't show Mohammed to be doing exactly that


Sahih al-Bukhari 3938
Narrated Anas:
When the news of the arrival of the Prophet (ﷺ) at Medina reached `Abdullah bin Salam, he went to him to ask him about certain things, He said, "I am going to ask you about three things which only a Prophet can answer: What is the first sign of The Hour? What is the first food which the people of Paradise will eat? Why does a child attract the similarity to his father or to his mother?" The Prophet (ﷺ) replied, "Gabriel has just now informed me of that." Ibn Salam said, "He (i.e. Gabriel) is the enemy of the Jews amongst the angels. The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "As for the first sign of The Hour, it will be a fire that will collect the people from the East to the West. As for the first meal which the people of Paradise will eat, it will be the caudate (extra) lobe of the fish-liver. As for the child, if the man's discharge proceeds the woman's discharge, the child attracts the similarity to the man, and if the woman's discharge proceeds the man's, then the child attracts the similarity to the woman." On this, `Abdullah bin Salam said, "I testify that None has the right to be worshipped except Allah, and that you are the Messenger of Allah." and added, "O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! Jews invent such lies as make one astonished, so please ask them about me before they know about my conversion to I slam . " The Jews came, and the Prophet (ﷺ)said, "What kind of man is `Abdullah bin Salam among you?" They replied, "The best of us and the son of the best of us and the most superior among us, and the son of the most superior among us. "The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "What would you think if `Abdullah bin Salam should embrace Islam?" They said, "May Allah protect him from that." The Prophet (ﷺ) repeated his question and they gave the same answer. Then `Abdullah came out to them and said, "I testify that None has the right to be worshipped except Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah!" On this, the Jews said, "He is the most wicked among us and the son of the most wicked among us." So they degraded him. On this, he (i.e. `Abdullah bin Salam) said, "It is this that I was afraid of, O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ).


Tell me honesttalk21,
What is wrong with this hadith and how can we know if Mohammed was speaking the truth about Jibril or not?

writeprof:
It's a major decline in the education system really. A well known political thug once told a friend of mine with a Master's degree that he(my friend) didn't really need a degree not to talk of Master's degree, to get a good job...Why did he say that? As a secondary school leaver, he was a multimillionaire due to his affiliation with the politicians in government. My friend went to see him concerning getting a job because they were all childhood friends in the community...

The more reasons politicians would look down on those in the academia while validating the "Who school epp" crew

Some time ago, some of the politicians "bagged" law degrees from a university in Abuja...

Hundreds of PhDs were give to some people this month by an institutions, some.of whom said they spent just 3 years doing it.

I have been in the academic setting and as an editor and research assistant, 95 per cent of my clients were doctoral students from the humanities, social sciences and education. So, I know how many years on the average is spent either on FT or PT doctoral research.

Which is why I often wonder if all these people TRULY worked for these degrees?

I perfectly agree with you.

We live in a country where the government doesn't need any professional for anything in the nation.

Unfortunately, even PhD holders are looking for jobs, why would the academia be respected?

It is a complete systemic failure in governance and nationhood we are seeing being manifest

honesttalk21:
You should open a new thread to question if truly Jibril r.a revealed the Quran.

I BELIEVE YOU HAVE NOW EXHAUSTED YOUR ARGUMENT THAT WHAT PROPHET MUHAMMAD PBUH TRANSMITTED IS NOT WHAT WE HAVE.

AND SEE INDEED THE QURAN IS PRESERVED 9

If it UNTRUE that Jibril revealed the Qur'an to Mohammed based on this hadith, woe betide you Muslims.

Is this hadith another fabrication of Islam?

honesttalk21:
I will appreciate the you inform what the relevance of this to your title/original post about the preservation of the Quran.

I have dismantled all your views against it and correctly explained what you misunderstand.

You however refuse to accept being undone and only seem to be needlessly prolonging your thread.

Open another with this question if there is really something you intend to understand or show about it.

Otherwise it has been proven that the revelation for recitation through prophet Muhammad pbuh has been preserved and remains useful in that light.

That every claim of Mohammed about Jibril was a fraud! Didn't Jibril dictate the Qur'an to Mohammed?

The hadith Sahih al-Bukhari 3938 proves it!

Sahih al-Bukhari 3938
Narrated Anas:
When the news of the arrival of the Prophet (ﷺ) at Medina reached `Abdullah bin Salam, he went to him to ask him about certain things, He said, "I am going to ask you about three things which only a Prophet can answer: What is the first sign of The Hour? What is the first food which the people of Paradise will eat? Why does a child attract the similarity to his father or to his mother?" The Prophet (ﷺ) replied, "Gabriel has just now informed me of that." Ibn Salam said, "He (i.e. Gabriel) is the enemy of the Jews amongst the angels. The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "As for the first sign of The Hour, it will be a fire that will collect the people from the East to the West. As for the first meal which the people of Paradise will eat, it will be the caudate (extra) lobe of the fish-liver. As for the child, if the man's discharge proceeds the woman's discharge, the child attracts the similarity to the man, and if the woman's discharge proceeds the man's, then the child attracts the similarity to the woman." On this, `Abdullah bin Salam said, "I testify that None has the right to be worshipped except Allah, and that you are the Messenger of Allah." and added, "O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! Jews invent such lies as make one astonished, so please ask them about me before they know about my conversion to I slam . " The Jews came, and the Prophet (ﷺ)said, "What kind of man is `Abdullah bin Salam among you?" They replied, "The best of us and the son of the best of us and the most superior among us, and the son of the most superior among us. "The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "What would you think if `Abdullah bin Salam should embrace Islam?" They said, "May Allah protect him from that." The Prophet (ﷺ) repeated his question and they gave the same answer. Then `Abdullah came out to them and said, "I testify that None has the right to be worshipped except Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah!" On this, the Jews said, "He is the most wicked among us and the son of the most wicked among us." So they degraded him. On this, he (i.e. `Abdullah bin Salam) said, "It is this that I was afraid of, O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ).


Tell me honesttalk21,
What is wrong with this hadith and how can we know if Mohammed was speaking the truth about Jibril or not?

Mr honesttalk21,
Sahih al-Bukhari 3938
Here is the Hadith they don't want you to see

honesttalk21
They keep deleting this post: why?
.Here is an example that the admin have deleted five times now

A Jew asked Mohammed a trick question and he fell for it.

honesttalk21
They keep deleting this post: why?
.
There is no evidence that Mohammed saw anything nor witnessed anything. All was a lie and gullible Arabs swallowed it hook line and sinker

honesttalk21
They keep deleting this post: why?

There is one Muslim Admin deleting my posts he finds incriminating to Muslims

honesttalk21:
What is wrong or deficient in the standard? It is standard isn't it? You want sub or under standard.

You would have done reasonably better to point at what constitutes a lie? I have dissected what you choose to misunderstand and cannot be bamboozled.

The evidence you think you present are not in your favour. I have explained what is there that you misunderstand.

Well you disagree and disbelieve in Muhammad salallahu alaiwasalam, Islam and Allah the only true and real God so your submission is of no consequence.

I said:
Standard Islamic Narrative (SIN)!

Meaning an agreed upon conjecture made as a save-face to serious theological questions!

The Name of the Real God is YHWH the God of Abraham, Moses, David and Solomon! Is the name of your Allah YHWH?

honesttalk21:
AGAIN
What Are Aḥruf?

The Prophet pbuh said: The Qur'an was revealed in seven Ahruf — *Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī, Muslim, and others.

The precise meaning of the seven Aḥruf has been a topic of discussion among Muslims since the early days. Scholars have different opinions, but most agree that Aḥruf refer to various ways of expressing the message that Allah permitted in the revelation. These include differences in pronunciation, vocabulary, dialect, or synonymous expressions. These variations helped accommodate the different tribes' languages in early Arabia. Imām al-Nawawi explained that the strongest view is that the Aḥruf refer to seven types of differences, such as synonyms, word order, grammatical inflections, and dialectical variations, without changing the core meaning.

So, to answer your question: Are phrases like "THEY SAY" vs. "YOU SAY," or "WERE KILLED" vs. "FOUGHT" considered Aḥruf?
Yes, such examples are considered part of the Aḥruf, provided they were authentically revealed to the Prophet pbuh and transmitted through strong, continuous chains. For example: تعالَ; taāla(Come) versus هلمّ; halumma (Come!) Both appear in different Qirāʾāt.

فَتَبَيَّنُوا, ftabayanuu; verify versus فَتَثَبَّتُوا; fatathabatuu; be sure. Both are valid Qirāʾāt in 49:6. These differences are in wording, not in the fundamental message meaning, they uphold the same core teachings. They weren't human additions but were revealed by Allah to allow linguistic flexibility among the Arab tribes.

What Are Qiiraat?

Qiraat are the different ways of reciting the Qur’an that reflect some of these Aḥruf. Today’s worldwide recitation of the Qur’an (like Ḥafṣ ʿan ʿĀsim, Warsh ʿan Nāfiʿ) is based on a selection from the seven Aḥruf, each with authentic chains of transmission. All Qirāʾāt are Mutawātir, meaning they have been transmitted by so many narrators across generations that it's impossible they are fabricated.

Why Only One Survived (According to You)?
Your claim that only one Aḥruf survived isn't entirely accurate. Here's why:

1. Uthman’s Standardization: The mushaf compiled by ʿUthmān ibn ʿAffān preserved one unified dialect (Quraysh) to prevent division, not because other dialects were wrong. This writing system (Rasm) allowed multiple Qiraat to continue as long as they fit the script and had strong transmission.

2. The Seven (Later Ten) Qiraat :

These preserve elements of the Aḥruf. So, the Aḥruf aren’t completely lost they are incorporated into the Qiraat we have today, transmitted through widespread, continuous chains.

3. The Prophet pbuh himself advised the community to read whatever is easiest, stating: "Recite whichever of it is easy for you." — *Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī*
This shows Allah’s mercy and His careful preservation, not failure.

Is This a Contradiction to the Idea of Complete Preservation?
Preservation (ḥifẓ) in Islam doesn't mean the Qur’an was kept in seven dialects forever, but that the essential message, wording, and guidance Allah revealed would never be lost.

"Indeed, it is We who sent down the Reminder, and indeed, We will be its guardian." — *Qur’an 15:9

It's important to understand that complexity does not mean contradiction. Just as Einstein's theory is difficult to understand but not flawed, the concepts of Ahruf and Qiraat are part of a rich and carefully preserved linguistic system revealed by God. Our faith does not rely on hiding anything; in fact, these sciences are studied, shared, and memorized around the world, displaying their significance and clarity

If you notice:

All you have been doing is giving me the Standard Islamic Narrative (SIN)
Unfortunately EVIDENCES abound against you. Hadiths after hadiths show that the SIN is a fabrication to solve problems of earlier told conjectures of Mohammed!


Like I said:
Why don't you CHOOSE to ask yourself Questions and truthfully ANSWER them without recourse to your so-called scholars interjections.

Islam is not the Religion of Allah or Mohammed, it is the Religion of Consensus of Islamic Scholars.

honesttalk21:
I commend your efforts however in reality The aḥruf aren't just different dialects; they're rich, multi-faceted ways of revelation that showcase variations in Vocabulary, Syntax, Word choice, Phonetic features and Styles of expression.

I don't know why my posts are being deleted!

But here it is again!

writeprof:
I wonder what we are allowing politicians to turn the intellectual and academic traditions into...

These are what contribute to politicians lack of respect for those in the academia

That is the problem we are facing now I!
Immediately you have money, you become eligible for every kind of honour

CapitalLens:
https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/more-news/801732-nigerian-university-confers-honorary-doctorate-degree-on-wike.html?tztc=1

A whole university went to Wike's house to give him an award!?


SMH!

honesttalk21:
1. Both and any other variants.
Remember how the different Ahrufs are merged.

2. Completely not.
It is hard for you to agree that the diversity is divine and true. You stiff reasoning in monologue limits you. What is the difference in the message delivered in the variations?

Do I need to keep repeating what has been addressed because you pretend to not see or understand? No.

All are.

Who says the abrogated verses were not part of it. In the way through time there have been changes in human nature and needs the guidance has until it was perfected for all remaining earthly time and use of mankind.

This is a declaration of the ultimate control and preservation of everything by Allah. Sadly you have a fixation that may lead to excesses that could translate into disbelief.

Yes the Quran is perfectly preserved and what is available includes the different ahruf which addresses the diversity of tounges and tribes.

Yes it is false as you falsely claim they rejected the standardization due to the inclusion or omission of what are supplications or felt unnecessary as these are fundamentally used in prayer.

It's rather unproductive duplicating number 1,2.. in the same response

1. Hadith About Lost Verses (Including the Stoning Verse)
Sahih al-Bukhari 6829, Sahih Muslim 1691
Narrated by 'Umar ibn al-Khattab:
"Allah sent Muhammad (ﷺ) with the Truth and revealed the Book to him. Among what Allah revealed was the Verse of the Stoning, so we recited it, understood it, and acted upon it. The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) stoned (adulterers), and we stoned after him. I fear that with the passage of time, someone will say, 'By Allah, we do not find the Verse of Stoning in the Book of Allah,' thus they will go astray by abandoning an obligation that Allah revealed."

Where is the verse of Rajam in the Qur'an?
It had been removed

This shows that some verses, like the Rajam (stoning) verse, were once part of the Qur’an but are no longer present in the compiled text.

2. Hadith About the "Suckling Verse" (Ayah al-Rada’ah)
Sahih Muslim 1452, Sunan Abu Dawud 2062
Narrated by 'Aisha:
"Among what was revealed of the Qur’an was 'ten known sucklings' (to establish mahram relations), then it was abrogated by 'five known sucklings.' When the Prophet (ﷺ) passed away, this was among what was recited of the Qur’an."

This shows that some verses, like the Breastfeeding an adult man verse, were once part of the Qur’an but are no longer present in the compiled text.

3. Ibn Mas’ud’s Statement on Missing Surahs

Musannaf Ibn Abi Shaybah 7/197-198
Abdullah ibn Mas’ud said:
"What we recite as a single surah (in the Mushaf) would (originally) be as long as Surah al-Baqarah.


This suggests that some parts of the Qur’an were much longer before being reduced.

4. Hadith on the "Two Surahs" That Were Lost

Sahih Muslim 2289
Narrated by Abu Musa al-Ash’ari
"We used to recite a surah similar in length and severity to Surah Bara’ah (At-Tawbah), but I have forgotten it except for a single verse : 'If the son of Adam had two valleys of wealth, he would seek a third, and nothing fills the belly of the son of Adam except dust...'"


This confirms that some surahs or verses were once part of the Qur’an but are no longer preserved in the Mushaf. And it rubbishes the claim of perfect memorisation of the Qur'an by the Sahaba of Mohammed.

5. Zaid ibn Thabit’s Statement on Missing Verses
Musannaf Ibn Abi Shaybah 10/519)
Zaid ibn Thabit said:
"We used to recite a verse that was revealed concerning the struggle in the way of Allah, but it is not found now: 'Strive in the way of Allah with a striving that is due to Him.'"


This further supports the idea that some Qur’anic revelations were lost over time.

These are the things JimRohn wouldn't want you to see. This is why he would prefer to repeat the Standard Islamic Narrative fifty times as if they are FACTs.


What ELSE are the Muslim Scholars you follow Hiding from you with their narratives?




I rest my case on this topic!

honesttalk21:
The differences you've mentioned are well-documented and not hidden within the Islamic scholarly tradition and actually don't challenge the preservation of the text.

Instead, they highlight the rich oral tradition, diversity, and eloquence found in the Quran. The study of Qiraat, the agreement on the final Uthmānic codex, and traditional tafsir all reinforce the idea that the Qur’an has been preserved both in its wording and its meaning.

Like I said:
My aim was to debunk the so-called LETTER for LETTER, WORD for WORD claim of the perfect preservation of the Qur'an.

Even Umar was reported to have said:

Ibn Abi Shaybah (7/198)
"Waki’ narrated to us from Sufyan, from Mansur, from Ibrahim, from Alqamah, who said: Umar said: None of you should say, “I have taken the whole of the Qur’an,” for how does he know what all of it is? Much of the Qur’an has been lost, but let him say, “I have taken what has appeared of it

But modern Muslims say otherwise!


So, is the Qur'an perfectly preserved word for word, dot for dot?

Your scholars say YES but your historical sources say NO!

JimRohn had to flee when he saw that he prefers to be in denial just like most Muslims.

honesttalk21:
I commend your efforts however in reality The aḥruf aren't just different dialects; they're rich, multi-faceted ways of revelation that showcase variations in Vocabulary, Syntax, Word choice, Phonetic features and Styles of expression.

If this is TRUE
Define in a consistent term with examples Ahruf and then the Qira'at?

Will you say phrases like THEY SAY and YOU SAY are Ahruf?
or
Phrases like WERE KILLED and FOUGHT are Ahruf?


The problem is that Muslims have to make the definition IMPOSSIBLE in other to hide FLAWS in their theology.

My argument is not even wth the definitions BUT the fact that SEVEN Ahruf were revealed BUT only ONE seems to have survived. This is NOT perfect preservation!