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Myer:
Hence the goat or dog is also atheist. It has no knowledge of god nor any belief in a god.

If any creature believes in god then it is theist
Likewise if a creature doesnt believe in god it is atheist

LordReed:
You left out the theist part. Find the meaning of agnostic theist.

LordReed:
Rocks also lack belief in gods but we don't describe them as atheist because we reserve the term for beings that have our level of cogitation. Goats and dogs do not have our level of cogitation so we don't call them atheists. It is one of the reasons I don't think it is appropriate to say babies are atheists, their level of cogitation is still low.

LordReed:
He believes in a deity.

fergie001:
SOURCE

Myer:
You are not to decide that. These are simply english/grammatical words that have their definitions.

Theism means belief in a deity (god).
While its antithesis/opposite is Atheism which means lacking belief in a deity (god).

An atheist might have a belief in science or other philosophies but certainly not a belief in a god.
Cos by believing in a god, they are no longer atheists but theists.

Myer:
Disbelieving in a deity is in 2 parts;

1. You can disbelieve a particular god and choose to believe another god. Which is still theism. It is simply conversion from one god to another.

2. You can disbelieve in gods entirely. Which is still atheism. Just the same as lack of belief in a deity.

A state of doubt in a the existence of god is like I'm sure you know called Agnosticism.

Agnostic-atheist or Agnostic-theist is still an agnostic.

LordReed:
You mean what specific god? It would depend on the individual, there are Christian agnostic theists from what I gather. And no, agnostic does not negate his beliefs.

LordReed:
Here we go again. How can the lack of belief be a belief? How can not playing sports be a sport? You are the one coming up with a senseless proposition. Someone says I don't believe Santa Claus exists and you say he is being senseless, no, you are being senseless.

HellVictorinho3:
They don't need awareness to lack belief.....

HellVictorinho3:
May I know when to drop digits?



It's still a matter of life and death.


I am terribly frustrated.

Myer:
You are not to decide that. These are simply english/grammatical words that have their definitions.

Theism means belief in a deity (god).
While its antithesis/opposite is Atheism which means lacking belief in a deity (god).

An atheist might have a belief in science or other philosophies but certainly not a belief in a god.
Cos by believing in a god, they are no longer atheists but theists.

Myer:
Check the dictionary definitions of the words-Atheist and Atheism in my previous post.

Then you can understand that Atheism is not only about rejection of a belief in god. But most importantly it is simply not believing God exists either by rejection o by lack or information or apostasy.

Myer:
An atheist did not define the word ATHEISM.
Atheism and Atheist are smply english words defined below;

Babsojimjim:
Dear All,

The write up below is exactly what a friend is going through from his wife. Please what sort of action can he take?

Despite, all he has done to please his wife, called Reverend fathers and pastors to counsel them both, his wife is still indifferent to him and is threatening to quit the marriage, citing accumulated pains of the past.

Currently, she says she wants to go back to her parents house else she will die or commit suicide. The man called her parents, and their advise was that since she is his wife, he should decide if to allow her leave his house to come and see them (parents) or stay in his house that the decision is his as the husband.

At this juncture my friend is confused and dont know what to do again.

Even the unmarried friend of his wife who came to stay with them is not helping matter at all as she seems to be enjoying the challenge between my friend and his wife.

Please advise needed. Thanks.

johnydon22:
There are fundamental flaws in your assumptions about morality as held by atheists. You have to first understand that the idea of morality as a God-centered enterprise is majorly an Abrahamic idea, at least in the modern sense. Most cultures developed moral values and ideas without basing these ideas of the authority of God punishing or rewarding certain actions.

So, someone not believing in God is not mutually exclusive with them having firm moral beliefs.

I do not know what you mean by good and evil being products of subatomic interactions, I am hoping you will explain that further

But here is how I will try convincing such a person: I will appeal to their rationality, practicality and curiosity.

1. Rationality: Detonating the nuke serves no purpose to him, so what would it matter to him to detonate it?
2. Practical: He has family members, friends whom I assume he deeply cares about. Why would he want to remove the choice to either live or die from those whom he confesses to love?
3. Curiosity: Assuming that such a person is a nihilist as your post seems to imply, even a nihilist can be curious. We have both seen the scientific wonders, architectural and technological marvels human has been capable of in the last century, wouldn't you like to find out where it is all going? What comes next? Perhaps, you could hold off nuking everyone just yet.

So now OP, assuming this person believes in a God but is determined to nuke everyone, how would you convince them otherwise?

OtemAtum:
can you elucidate please?

AnanseK:
I attribute the silence about Fulani Herdsmen to the capture of igboho . Republic of Benin did the trick and all are now silent.

fregeneh:
About 60% of the so called herdsmen menace were propaganda

LordReed:
He is a theist, he believes in god.

BeeBeeOoh:
https://thenationonlineng.net/ill-continue-delivering-for-nigerians-buhari-replies-obasanjo/

LordReed:
I think the agnostic theist believes a god exists.

Myer:
I think it's rather you who simply wants to defend your argument even blindly.

If you're taking the first man to be Adam according to the bible, then it's ok to say he was not an atheist cos he had a direct relationship with God.

But if the bible is not the only source of our history, then it's safe to also assume the first man had no prior knowledge of a god hence would have had no belief in God.

Atheism is simply lack of belief in any deity (god).
It has nothing to do with whether you have knowledge of God or not.
Atheism simply means you do not believe in the existence of a God.

Atheism is a state that can be as a result of various factors;

1. Lack of any information or knowledge about a god.
2. Rejection of the information about the existence of a god. (Which is your own definition).
3. Apostasy as a result of losing belief in a god. Etc.

So boxing every atheist as the same is more of a misnomer.

LordReed:
How then is he a theist if he doesn't believe?

LordReed:
Hmmm, that is something I never really considered but based on what I know yes their treatment would be different because the bible calls for people to believe not to know.

LordReed:
An Agnostic-theist believes but doesn't claim to know while an Agnostic-atheist doesn't believe or claim to know. From my understanding the Agnostic-theist fulfils the condition of belief so he passes the test.

IboHausaYoruba:
Why all these courses for Christ sake! We citizens should learn to respect our leaders. He met all the rot created by PDP and this Reno of a guy was part and parcel.

ebukajay184:
Reno Omokri has taken to his social media handles to write about President Buhari who turns 79 today December 2021, IgbereTV reports.

In his post on Instagram, Reno wrote;


https://www.instagram.com/p/CXk98BIO0jC/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

LordReed:
I don't think one can have a complete understanding of anything nor is it required to form opinions. One requires sufficient understanding to form reasonable opinions though. I have sufficient understanding of the god concept to realise I cannot hold any belief in it while at the same time declare I don't know if gods exists or not. This also means I am open to modifying my opinions if my understanding changes.

LordReed:
Incomplete understanding of what?

HellVictorinho3:
It depends on what you mean by knowledge



Knowledge when considered as an exposure is something that babies have since they're living things.



All living things have knowledge/exposure/awareness/consciousness.




All living things experience certain things .......

LordReed:
Where did I say my understanding is perfect? Why do you keep saying I said things I obviously didn't?

HellVictorinho3:
That's meant for him to confirm...... I was never in his mind but he does admit that he has no faith in God