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Kobojunkie:
Again, note my earlier response as far as the use of the term "spiritually dead".

The same questions should apply here... To understand what John meant by his use of the term, let's consult what he wrote Jesus Christ said on the topic... of spirit, shall we?

In John 3 vs 1 - 8, Jesus Christ explained to Nicodemus that a man has to first become be born-again in order to enter into the Kingdom of God - you have to be born from water and from spirit. In the same context, Jesus Christ explained that when we are born, we only experience a physical birth but to enter into the Kingdom of God, one has to experience a spiritual kind- Ezekiel 36 vs 25 says a new spirit is installed in us at that point.

Back to John's letter then, was John insinuating that those who are not born-again (born from spirit) are born spiritually dead, this ofcourse beginning with Adam himself who was intentionally created so by Almighty God?

Or was John or Paul referring to an idea to be compared to Death as defined by God as punishment for unbelief in Genesis 3 vs 19 - 22

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As before, in reference to Death as defined by God in Genesis 3 vs 19-22, there is no such thing as Spiritual Death , this since there are only two kinds.... Death as defined in Genesis 3 vs 19 - 22 and Eternal Damnation - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46, both of them judgment for unrighteousness.

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Jesus Christ referred to some as the dead on more than one occasion and this a reference to Death ,and not an idea they once has spirit which then died - there is no reference to Death of a spiritual kind in scripture.

Stomoney:
Why not face his primary assignment
Why interfering in party's matter? This shows that he practice politics too

You're not wise enough

HellVictorinho3:
According to some bastards, love means vomitting sewage on someone's case.




Are you any better

HellVictorinho3:
According to Wikipedia, you're confused.



The universe is referred to as all of space and time or the totality of existence......but that's an illusion so the universe doesn't exist.

Kobojunkie:
1. Adam was made of the physical clay of this earth and had no spirit from his birth so he had no spirit to begin with - Genesis 2 vs 15 - 17 - and there is no record of Adam experiencing death before God's judgement of him in Genesis 3 vs 19 - 22. So where is it written in scripture that Adam became spiritually dead because of sin?

Kobojunkie:
2. Where is the inheritance of what you call "spiritual death" recorded in scripture? What scripture informs us instead we have is the curse and judgement which God placed on mankind beginning with our progenitors Adam and Eve - Genesis 3 vs 19 - 22, which again is Death, the physical kind as defined by God.

Kobojunkie:
Gen 2:7: "The time came when the Lord God formed a man'
3. According to Jesus Christ in John 3 vs 1 - 8, and God in Ezekiel 36 vs 25 - 26, we are Born from spirit meaning a new life is given to us.... something we didn't previously have nor could have died to.
Before one can die to something, one first has to exist or be alive to it, right? Jesus Christ said we never had an existence of the spiritual kind to begin with.

4. Maybe you should try validating those ideas you claim as a Christian against that which is in fact written of in scripture then? You will be shocked to find out lots of them are instead of the doctrines and traditions of men and not of God.

HellVictorinho3:
Are you meant to speak for people you have not studied?



Even you consider your faith necessary



If you see faith as useless,then your head won't retain it.

HellVictorinho3:
Existence is the property or quality that is being displayed or demonstrated simultaneously by an unlimited set of combinations and non-combinations or anything related to them such that it (existence) shouldn't be regarded as having a beginning or an end or both towards a sum total called the universe or anything else towards naming such an illusion.

Either the universe is a combination or a non-combination or what cannot exist.


A combination is something with a size that only displays existence when two or more non-combinations remain together.


A non-combination is something with a size that displays existence whether or not there's a specific combination.



This means existence can be regarded as the set ∆={...2,A,@,AB,A+B,AC+B,...}


A may combine with B or combine with C or combine with B then leave B to combine with D


Space/Time is the extent to which a combination or non-combination displays existence.



There's no limit to the extent to which a non-combination displays existence.


So, the space/time required for a non-combination to display existence has no beginning or end or both.

Kobojunkie:
The same questions should apply here... To understand what John meant by his use of the term, let's consult what he wrote Jesus Christ said on the topic... of spirit, shall we?

In John 3 vs 1 - 8, Jesus Christ explained to Nicodemus that a man has to first become be born-again in order to enter into the Kingdom of God - you have to be born from water and from spirit. In the same context, Jesus Christ explained that when we are born, we only experience a physical birth but to enter into the Kingdom of God, one has to experience a spiritual kind- Ezekiel 36 vs 25 says a new spirit is installed in us at that point.

Back to John's letter then, was John insinuating that those who are not born-again (born from spirit) are born spiritually dead, this of course beginning with Adam himself who was NOT intentionally created so by Almighty God?

Or was John referring to an idea to be compared to Death as defined by God as punishment for unbelief in Genesis 3 vs 19 - 22

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As before, in reference to Death as defined by God in Genesis 3 vs 19-22, there is no such thing as Spiritual Death , this since there are only two kinds.... Death as defined in Genesis 3 vs 19 - 22 and Eternal Damnation - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46, both of them judgment for unrighteousness.

Kobojunkie:
But it is made up.... Death, as defined by God is punishment for disobedience. John's use of the term spiritually dead, in no way fits God's definition of DEATH.

Kobojunkie:
To understand what John meant by his use of the term, let's consult what he wrote Jesus Christ said on the topic... of spirit, shall we?

In John 3 vs 1 - 8, Jesus Christ explained to Nicodemus that a man has to first become be born-again in order to enter into the Kingdom of God - you have to be born from water and from spirit. In the same context, Jesus Christ explained that when we are born, we only experience a physical birth but to enter into the Kingdom of God, one has to experience a spiritual kind- Ezekiel 36 vs 25 says a new spirit is installed in us at that point.

Back to John's letter then, was John insinuating that those who are not born-again (born from spirit) are born spiritually dead, this ofcourse beginning with Adam himself who was intentionally created so by Almighty God?

Or was John referring to an idea to be compared to Death as defined by God as punishment for unbelief in Genesis 3 vs 19 - 22

Kobojunkie:
There is no such thing as "Spiritual death". That idea was born of the delusions of men.

Kobojunkie:
True but had your pastor chosen to conveniently keep that detail from you all, would you have considered him sane still and his 'testimony' legit?

Kobojunkie:
There is no such thing as "Spiritual death". That idea was born of the delusions of men.

As for Death itself, it is as declared by God Himself in Genesis 3 vs 19 - 22. The answers are to be obtained right there in scripture, not conjured up.

As for the second Death, as described by John in His book of dream/vision, a reference is made to eternal damnation as the second Death. Again, the answers are provided right there in scripture for us to learn from. We are not called to make these things up as we go.

HellVictorinho3:
This has nothing to do with what I said.

Kobojunkie:
If this man had openly declared he used surrogacy to achieve this miracle, I am almost certain all Nigerian blogs would carry his story. The problem I believe is that most of your testimonies do not narrate truths but half-truths. Let's not here blame the writers for the issues abeg.

Now in the case you described,if pastor had attempted to hide the truth, the police may have been called by say a conscientious soul or even a neighbor of his out of suspicion that the couple may have stolen the baby or something.... ROFLMAO

HellVictorinho3:
But there wasn't nothing before the big bang no matter what it means.

Kobojunkie:
Even at that, those who did IVF, need indicate they did so in their stories..

DarkJeddi:
I never said God is not involved..

But what stops them from telling others..

How they were able to conceive?

How is telling them..

It's the Lord's doing..

Going to help their cause?

Solofresh2:
Happy Sunday Nairalanders
Well,am sure we all are aware of the Bible verse that says "the wages of sin is death"
But to my knowledge,I find out that all humans must die and even some wicked people we know still live longer than the ones we call saints
Sometimes, you will see some wicked people live so long till old age before they die and you will also see some kind hearted people dying young.

If the wages of sin is death,then why do this wicked people live long and why do we believe everyone will still die

I think there is more to this Bible verse than we see it

Please any one with good knowledge should explain.Thanks

Lalasticlala please front page

DarkJeddi:
Congratulations to them..

Am sure he would forget to mention the wonders of IVF..

All the dedications of the doctors..

And the wonders of modern medical sciences..

Would be drowned under the chorus of Hallelujah!

LordReed:
My question was about time not entropy. Try again but answer the question this time.

HellVictorinho3:
Every rich Christian says their faith in God is necessary for their wealth to remain

LordReed:
The universe is the sum total of all that exists.

If time began how there be a before?

LordReed:
You are beginning to sound like your brain needs a reset. My claim that I lacked belief was clearly predicated on a lack of knowledge but here you are attempting to twist it up according to what ever delusion is driving you.

Is it that you just post stuff without bothering to understand what you quote. You posted a definition of agnostic that says is not known OR cannot it be known, clearly implying that there are 2 possible agnostic stances on the knowledge claim. But here you are insisting that it is exactly the one that fits your narrative. If you purpose for this discussion is to win then I am not interested because it means you are ready to use any means necessary instead of settling down to absorb information.

I didn't make a choice. The meaning of the word you brought was unknown to me, how can I form any belief or disbelief in what I don't know? The simple fact is in that state I have no belief but if you want to keep arguing you'll have to do it with yourself.

BeeBeeOoh:
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lalasticlala:
https://www.774ngr.com/2021/12/19/bello-turji-leader-of-bandits-writes-seeking-dialogue-with-zamfara-nigeria-govts-full-script-in-english/

HellVictorinho3:
9.Why am I passing through devastating problems?
Is it until I die or lose my brother or my mind before God shows up?


Don't tell me I don't want God to show up for good!


I am not happy to say no caring God can exist.... I wish it were possible.

Myer:
There are things that are too high for me and even for present day scientists. Psalm 131:1
I'm humble enough to admit I cant calculate the entropy if the universe.

Which is why I was surprised you had the audacity to bring that up as an argumentative point.
Next time only focus on what you understand and leave those you cant possibly fathom.

Myer:
I'm wondering why you brought up the entropy of the universe in the first place knowing fully well you dont and cannot understand it.

Myer:
But entropy must be calculated to be understood.
So before putting words out there, you should understand their meanings.

Below is the formula for calculating entropy of a system;

Myer:
Even on a faceless forum you can call people out by their moniker. Just not in their personal lives.

That said, can you calculate the entropy of the universe cos you seem to like to throw out "jargons" that you dont even understand their meaning.

TenQ:
You don't know!?

What does science say about the entropy of the universe. Is it 1.constant,
2. decreasing or
3. increasing?

ChiefSosa:
I'm surprised a woman that carried a baby in her womb for 9 months will willingly agree with her useless husband to sell her child for #50,000 or even any amount. #50k that's not even up to $100. And, a more useless woman will agree to buy another person's child. Why do people even buy kids these days? If you need a child or you have a child to give up for adoption, then you can simply go to the appropriate and government licensed adoption agencies. How hard is that? Only people with evil intentions will cut corners to buy kids.

Lies! They know the buyer. No woman, especially an African woman, will hand over her child like that, even if she hates the child or she's poor to the core.

Buliwyf:
Now you want to continue the conversation because I called you out on your inability to refute logically? You are a clown. I am not interested in having a civil conversation with you anymore because you have revealed to me that there is a beast of burden beneath that sensible christian veneer you tried to hoodwink people with from the beginning of this thread. You are not interested in anything logical or even science. You just want to assert that your god exists and we must accept it as a fact. Freaking nitwit.