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Tessygists:
Almost every church on the face of the planet is attracting people to their churches promising them that they'll have an encounter with God and WITH THE PROMISES OF MIRACLES, especially pentecostal churches.

But it is interesting to find out that most of those so-called miracles are nothing but lies spun by unscrupulous "pastors" in the Faith meant to defraud people of their hard-earned money.

There are irrefutable proof that most miracles perform by some popular pastor like the decorated pastor Chris or the late TB Joshua or even pastor Chris Okafor and Lazarus Muoka are fake miracles. Shocking isn't it?

So I ask all Nairalanders this question: Have you really experience real miracles in your church?

Tifunloran:
God is able to see everything and to act anywhere he chooses. (Proverbs 15:3; Hebrews 4:13) However, the Bible does not teach that God is omnipresent​—that is, present everywhere, in all things. Instead, it shows that he is a person and that he resides in a dwelling place.

God’s form: God is a spirit person. (John 4:​24) He is invisible to humans. (John 1:​18) Visions of God recorded in the Bible consistently portray him as having a distinct location. He is never depicted as existing everywhere.​—Isaiah 6:​1, 2; Revelation 4:​2, 3, 8.


Continue reading here �
https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/god-omnipresent/

AntiChristian:
Continued from Logical Fallacies Employed In Trinitarian Theology 2

Logical Identity
Logical "identity" is established by the following principle: whatever is true of A must also be true of B, and whatever is true of B must also be true of A. One point of dissimilarity disproves identity. The stakes get higher when this principle is violated in connection with the identity of God. Scripture identifies the term "God" with the term "Father." God is the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. That means that whatever is true of God must also be true of the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. And whatever is true of the Father of Jesus Christ must be true of God also. Logically speaking, "God" cannot be both the Father of Jesus and Jesus himself, if language is to retain any meaning.

Source-Biblical Unitarian

Vickyvice:
you are right. But u see these our politicians? Especially those from east and south? They are only concerned about political survival, not about the people, which is d reason south east and south governors haven't ever condemned the fulani attacks, they feel if they speak up and act,they will be denied favours from f.g, and they believe fulani will deny them political office in d future, even if they decamp to f.g party at d centre, if they take measure they may be sanctioned. See umahi, ayade, ugwuanyi , obiano, have kept mute over d killings in the heir domain. They keep frustrating effort of the people to guard/ protect themselves.

Vickyvice:
I still blame the Afghan people. They should have fought the Taliban themselves. D difference between and innocent person and a bad one is gun/arms/ammunition. Afghan people are full cawards

Workch:
Stop asking me loaded questions, you don't know basic science. Study it first

Workch:
have studied the ones we have now?

Workch:
You didn’t know that we still have gravitational singularity in the universe.
So go and study the ones we have, it will help you understand how that one works.

Workch:
you said it here

Workch:
But you said gravitational singularities do not exist now. Can you just ask if you don’t know?

Workch:
You obviously do not know what a gravitational singularity is if you think it doesn’t exist again.

So whats a blackhole? A gravitational plurality?

Workch:
He doesn’t even understand basic radioactive reactions? What a pity

Workch:
Whats this guy saying for god sake?

You people don’t learn until they start making jest of you

Workch:
lol, a decaying polonium only releases it’s mass inform of energy.
Energy is still conserved.

Common dude, you don’t understand radioactivity?
A radioactive element like polonium release energy inform of radiation, energy will never be created nor destroyed at the end of the reaction but will be converted from one from or another.

TenQ:
I wander where I said that an element is a gravitational singularity.

I just simply used an example to clear your ignorance.

You said:
Gravitational singularity is a Constant.
I showed you that:
-Gravitational singularity doesn't exist again
-Gravitational singularity expanded to form the universe
So, how could it be a CONSTANT
You argued that:
It is constant because of its conservation of Energy


NOW, I SHOWED YOU the ILLOGICALITY of your argument by giving you the example of Polonium218 which spontaneously disintegrates YET obeying the law of conservation of Energy

How can Polonium 218 remain a constant when it NO MORE exist?

Workch:
Read this, it will help you understand. You are mopping everything up because you don’t understand the basics

Open the link https://futurism.com/the-gravitational-constant-is-it-really-constant

Workch:
wtf, polonium218 is not a gravitational example
Calm down and let’s teach you this thing. You are mopping everything up.


An example of gravitational singularity is a “blackhole” and not polonium.

Polonium is just a radioactive element dude

TenQ:
You just need to describe a gravitational singularity, then show us where it is!?


It's just like holding an unstable Isotope (eg Polonium218) which undergoes a Spontaneous fission into Lead 214 and an alpha particle and INSISTING the the polonium remains constant because the law of conservation of energy holds for the individual alpha particle, energy and lead resultant constituents.

In this case just like gravitational singularity, is Polonium218 CONSTANT?

A primary school student can answer this correctly!

Workch:
Its constant, very constant.
Gravity is not only constant in singularities, but across the universe. The total amount of gravity in the universe never changes at any point in time.

Workch:
urggh, do you understand what a gravitational singularity is? It hasn’t change, all the gravitational force combined in the universe hasn’t changed, it was only dispersed overtime across board but the figure remains constant.

Workch:
How does inverse square law affects the gravitational force in a singularity?

Inverse square law is still obeyed, because gravity will reduce at every point as expansion occurs but the total gravitational force combined even as the universe expands is still constant. “Combined” is the key word, it remains constant at all times

You don’t even understand inverse square law, I wish you were in front of me so I can give you physical illustrations.

Workch:
The gravity of any close system will be static since it's equivalent to its mass.
However it doesn't means that it won't expand. It's just like saying that you have smoke particles in a container, it won't expand because it's mass and gravity is constant.

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Workch:
you don’t know science and you won’t calm down to learn.

What constant means in science is all the amount equals zero.

If we say gravity is constant, it doesn’t mean that it’s not moving, it means that the gravitational force in that system doesn’t change. The figure doesn’t change at any point


A falling object will always fall with acceleration due gravity of 9.8m/s^2, that’s a constant, it doesn’t mean that the object falling will not move.

Workch:
The gravity of any close system will be static since it's equivalent to its mass.
However it doesn't means that it won't expand. It's just like saying that you have smoke particles in a container, it won't expand because it's mass and gravity is constant.

Doesn't make sense. And remember, there another force called the dark energy that causes the universe to expand, this doesn't in anyway mean that gravity is not constant across board.

Workch:
it means you are talking about the singularity before the big bang. So what's the question again?

TenQ:
You want to redefine what a constant is?

In case you still don't get it,
Is gravitational singleton a varying entity or a static entity?

Workch:
Do you prefer if I start denigrating you or you want to understand how it works?

TenQ:
Since you are vastly more knowledgeable in physics than me, please educate me!

Is gravitational singularitysingleton a varying entity or a static entity?

Workch:
I don't know what you mean by gravitational singularity but I presume you are talking about the singularity that existed before the universe started expanding?

In scientific terms, a gravitational singularity (or space-time singularity) is a location where the quantities that are used to measure the gravitational field become infinite in a way that does not depend on the coordinate system. In other words, it is a point in which all physical laws are indistinguishable from one another, where space and time are no longer interrelated realities, but merge indistinguishably and cease to have any independent meaning.
https://www.universetoday.com/84147/singularity/

Racoon:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/dailypost.ng/2021/10/20/endsars-many-victims-already-received-compensation-lai-mohammed/%3famp=1

Workch:
I don't understand the question.
Did you mean gravitational singularity?

Workch:
Do you prefer if I start denigrating you or you want to understand how it works?

Workch:
It obvious you have a problem grabbing basic scientific concept. Why don’t you ask that I explain instead of reaching a wrong conclusion?

That’s not how constants work, you are getting wrong

Workch:
Yes na, that’s what it means na, it has constant mass and energy and that’s why it has Infinite gravity due to enormous density

Workch:
Whats your question again?

Workch:
yes, ok?

TenQ:
Are you sure the Gravitational Singularity is a constant?

Workch:
I have made a lot of arguments, some are trolls while some are kind of intellectaul. Today, I want to give you scientific reasons why a creator most likely doesn't exist.

I am going to explain this using the lawof conservation of energy, law of conservation of mass and theory of relativity. I will try and synchronize them to make my point clear.

The law of conservation of energy states that in close system, energy can neither be created nor destroyed - only converted from one form of energy to another. This means that a system always has the same amount of energy, unless it's added from the outside. ... The only way to use energy is to transform energy from one form to another.

The law of conservation of mass or principle of mass conservation states that for any system closed to all transfers of matter and energy, the mass of the system must remain constant over time, as the system's mass cannot change, so quantity can neither be added nor be removed.

What this means is that, if the universe is a closed system, it means that mass and energy have always remained constant, since the universe is 100% energy and mass, it means that the universe has always existed, it was never created and cannot be destroyed. The keyword here is "closed system" it brings us to the question of whether the universe is a closed or open system. Before we discuss that, we have to chip in the mass/energy equation from the theory of relativity, which says energy is directly proportional to mass E=mc^2. So wherever you see matter, it means it's energy and vice versa.

Is the universe a closed system? If the universe is a closed system it means that the universe can always exist on its own without a creator. If the universe is an open system, it means that it gets energy input from outside which also implies that the law of conservation energy also applies from that source of energy. For the purposes of your question, the answer is probably "closed". You could have come to that answer just by asking yourself why it is that you care whether it's open or closed. The reason you care, I assume, is because you want to know whether the law of conservation of energy and similar laws apply. So then, why does whether it is open or closed affect that? Because an open system might have energy added to it or subtracted from it by an external source/sink of energy. So then, shouldn't it be obvious that if you think the universe isn't connected to anything else, or you define the word "universe" so that it includes everything that could possibly affect anything, then there's no reason (at this level of discourse) the laws of thermodynamics wouldn't apply?

So thermodynamically, the universe cannot be an open system, whatever causes the exchange of energy with the universe is automatically part of the universe and that realm clearly still operate within the confines of the law of thermodynamics.

So it doesn't make sense scientifically that the universe was created.

Workch:
Singleton, you mean singularity?