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SSIPON:
Over the years, one thing I have noticed with Nigerians is that they love blaming bad things on demons. Even top government officials blame "evil forces" for the happenings in the country. Which is funny, because there is literally NO evidence for the existence of demons. The belief in demons dates back to the times when man thought that diseases had supernatural causes.

There are so many things that fall under the brand name, "demonic". A neighbor of mine has a son who is clearly mentally challenged (He is schizophrenic), yet every Sunday, his family organises special prayer sessions to deliver him from the demons that are attacking him whenever He is asleep. Schizophrenia is not the only thing that Nigerians think is demonic.

Nigerians have taken the superstitions to a whole new level, by claiming that these demons could enter your body through pornography or watching certain mainstream shows. If you ask them for evidence, they are empty. Every Christmas season some of them refuse to travel to their villages because of their irrational fear of witches/demons. Which again, there is no evidence for. Some of them are so superstitious that they refuse to tell their neighbours and even their family members that they are travelling, because they don't want their "village people" to cause accident.

That's why they fear idols and shrines and when a pastor comes and burn the shrine, they see the pastor as a "powerful" man of God. Meanwhile the shrine was never potent in the first place .

There is no evidence that suggests the existence of demons, change my mind.

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Workch:
yes, ok?

DoggoneDogg:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGTvq1eH8K8

Workch:
OK, no gravity cannot exist without mass, it's an indication that the singularity before the big bang with infinite gravity was very massive and dense.

That's why we say the universe is eternal

Workch:
uncaused-First-Cause is not science. It's theological philosophy

In what science textbook have you seen law of uncaused cause?

Workch:
OK show me how gravity can exist without mass?
Educate me.

We don't know anything that happens before big bang.

Workch:
nope, it was a singularity before big bang

A point of infinite gravity and density

Workch:
That law is not a scientific law. It's a philosophical contraption and it's possible that the universe doesn't have a cause in science.

Workch:
Law of conservation of matter seems to suggest that matter cannot be created

Workch:
It's possible scientifically to have a universe that is eternal

Workch:
The universe is not 13.8billion years old, the expansion from a singularity until now is 13.8billion years old.

Workch:
Law of physics seem to suggest that the universe wasn't created

Workch:
The law of conservation of energy and matter trash this.

Energy and matter can never be created nor destroyed, they can only be converted to other forms.

According to E=mc^2, energy is directly proportional to mass. It means that whenever you see mass, you see energy and vice versa.

Since universe is made of 100% matter (mass) and energy and they cannot be created nor destroyed, it means that the universe cannot be created nor destroyed.

Conclusion: The universe has always existed, no creator.

Workch:
i was joking, it doesn’t

Workch:
The uncaused cause has to be the Flying Spaghetti Monster

Dtruthspeaker:
As long as there is a Fault, my point has been established!

Dtruthspeaker:
I indeed gave you an example of a Faulty Logic for you said "Because logic tells you that if you follow the rules of arithmetic, your answer will be correct. This is LOGIC at work."

So I showed you logic at work! And you have now indeed Admitted that Logic can be Faulty.

Which is what I was trying to warn you at the beginning.

As I counseled, take out classes in Logic.

Dtruthspeaker:
Logic is not Truth. Logic is just mere connections. It does not care for Truth, ONLY ABOUT MAKING CONNECTIONS AS A YOUR EXAMPLES ABOVE HAVE SHOWN.

You obviously have not taken courses in logic otherwise you would have known why your statements are wrong.

For example: Mr. Bassey has been in 5 Accidents this year, therefore, he is a careless driver.

Logic has put the Connections But is the statement True?

There are many reasonable questions to be answered here, therefore it can not be accepted as True and therefore Fails The Law of "Proper Proof, Dispels All Reasonable Doubt"

Try taking courses on Logic or at least attend the classes. It would teach you why Logic Falls.

ba7man:
The job of the protesters is to create the right atmosphere to enable violence and breakdown of law and order. They should not be tolerated.

Lock them up en-mass, flog them, tear gas them but do not dialogue with them. Sanwo-olu tried to last year and they still destroyed his State and mother's house.

"Peaceful" protesters my butt cheeks. Don't pamper them like last year.

Dtruthspeaker:
The correct expression in this type of cases is "Proper Proof, Dispells All Reasonable Doubt"



Their weakness is in the Highlight! It is us who call God!

But we do not know His True Name!



You understood me at the beginning but you are grasping now at trying to understand me and jumbling up scenarios which are now off track.



Here, you have made the mistake of Equating the Universe to be ONLY THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH.

Which would now give you the problem of identifying heaven as different from Earth eg is the clouds heaven or the background where we see the stars at night, heaven?

Surely you would answer reasonable questions until you give up from answering.



As I said you have to have taken hold of the whole to know that it is expanding exactly as we see the expansion of a balloon because we have the whole of it.



Now you are mixing up existence/presence with beginning!

It is like saying that the Atlantic Ocean starts from Eleko Beach, so which one is in Badagry, or Long Island New York since all of them look alike as a beginning?

Why and How is the one in V/I more beginning than the one in Badagry and Long Island?

No one can reasonably answer these little questions.

That is how the universe is to us. We See it but no one can reasonably determine its beginning and it's end.

tradepunter:
I feel sick and tired of people like you with no form of understanding when it comes to trade Craft in the intelligence world...

That clause would force the FG to redesignate the group to a terrorist group. Because the world powers know elements of the FG have hands in the issue.

Are herdsmen not designated the 3rd deadliest terrorist globally?

Islie:
https://punchng.com/dhq-seeks-nod-to-crush-bandits-with-tucano-jets-laments-us-condition/

ScamHunter:
It started in the NE as Boko Haram, now it's in NW as bandits, now it's starting in SE as Unknown Gunmen. All these have cumulatively led to the death of thousands of soldiers. Now I've been wondering which country survives a war against itself. With three regions at war with Nigeria, commonsense should tell you that the country is in trouble unless something is done and fast.

Is it the SS and NC that won't agitate? As far as I know, even Niger is now mostly under BH cum Bandits so what's left of NC? With the killings in Benue and Plateau, who knows how long before the people there would say enough is enough?

That brings us to the subject of the SW or YorubaLand which is suddenly calm after Sunday Igboho question was settled. I have no doubt that the SW will become the most peaceful region since as far as we know, it is the only region that is ready to succumb and hand over their ancestral land to Fulani without a fight. So, it is actually going to become the most peaceful region. Why don't other regions embrace peace like our SW brethren. After all, Fulani are only interested in land - forest land they've already occupied in YorubaLand. If this peaceful tribe can condone the capture of their territory, why can't all other tribes?

Dtruthspeaker:
Wrong!

"Validity" is about the Verification and Confirmation of the Authenticity of the Information being given, hence the standard of Reasonable Doubt, which guarantees that every reasonable question that can be validly asked is also correspondingly validly Answered.

Thus, you will Fall when asked "How did you know?"

And here there is only one Valid Answer which completely clears all the reasonable doubt, which is the Power of the person (Witness) to say "I was there when.... Or I Saw when..."

All other answers apart of these still retain a reasonable doubt hence questioning and counter presentations would continue.

Dtruthspeaker:
My first response is have we and can we capture the Wholeness of the Universe such that we can tell it's beginning and it's end?

Clearly No.

Therefore, it is impossible for any person on earth to Truly and Validly give any Truth Full Answer about the Universe.

For we can be likened to the ants in our compounds which can not know how greatly large this earth is.

All it knows are the vicinities it has covered. It can not know it's yonders.

Dtruthspeaker:
I'm sorry! I am trying to narrow it down so that you can see the Accuracy of the Truth of your assertion which is "YOU KNEW"

The question of validity that would arise then is, "How did you knew/know?"

Now when we connect the dots which show that you know both Mr. A and Mr. B and that in deed you can TRULY KNOW them, then you would have satisfied the validity of your statement that Mr A is indeed taller than Me. C based on the Additional knowing that Mr. B is Taller than Mr. C, even if you have not met Mr. C.

But if you only Know Mr. A without knowing Mr B and C, Your testimony will fall because of your lack of Personal Connection to Mr B and C.

Which is what I am trying to show you.

Dtruthspeaker:
You have said the key word which is "strict principles of validity".

And the Law Strictly says "you can not give valid testimony about a thing which you did not see with your eyes nor could you have been in a position to ever see it."

Else your testimony falls into hearsay evidence or Speculative Evidence.

That is the indefensible weakness of your presentation!

TenQ:
Logic is NO speculation:
Logic is following postulates or reasoning conducted or assessed according to strict principles of validity!

For example:'
Logic says, if A is taller than B and B is taller than C, then A must be taller than C!
Is the example above a speculation?

I have laid down simple verifiable postulates
1. The Universe and ALL Physical things have an origin (approximately 13.8 billion years ago)
2. There exist the "Law of cause and effect": Without a cause there cannot be an effect AND an effect is what initiates a cause
3. An Infinite regress of Cause and Effect is impossible
Conclusion:
Since things exist and obey the law of Cause and Effect, there must therefore exist an "Uncaused First-Cause" of everything (aka God).

To disprove the conclusion, all you have to do is invalidate any of the three postulates

Workch:
Yes, a God who didn’t kill everyone in a flood because of his narcissism.

Workch:
I have never been atheist, I serve the Flying Spaghetti Monster

NaijaSatanlst:
Ahh, I think I had a stroke with those colours.

TenQ:
There are two kinds of satanists
1. The Religious Satanists:
Those who worship satan as a religious activity
2. The Irreligious Satanists:
Those who don't worship satan (or any spirit whatsoever) but subscribe to the rebellious nature (of satan) against the christian God

Either way, the common denominator is: A Choice and Will to REBEL against "the Supreme Life Giving and Law Giving Spirit" aka God for an ALTERNATIVE god who exalts "the god of self" above EVERY BEING!

Workch:
I have never been atheist, I serve the Flying Spaghetti Monster

MrCover:
See The Previous Thread - https://www.nairaland.com/6808986/rccg-member-gunned-down-front

An estate agent identified as Bayo Sina Babarinde was shot dead by gunmen during Sunday service at the Redeemed Christian Church of God (RCCG), Living Word Parish, Basin Road, in iIlorin, the Kwara state capital, Reports.

It was gathered by , that Babarinde stepped out of the church to receive a phone call when his assailants rained bullets on him.

The incident happened during the 7am service of the parish on Sunday, October 17, Reports.

Spokesperson of the State Poliec Command, Okasanmi Ajayi, who confirmed the incident to Online Sources on Monday night, said investigation was ongoing to arrest the perpetrators.

"He was called on phone during the service as he walked out of the church to receive the call. The sound of gun shots rend the air, which drew the attention of the congregation,” Okasanmi said.

"As at the time the congregation got out of the church to see what was happening, it was discovered that the estate agent was already in the pool of his blood. It was discovered that he was shot in the head. The shells of the bullet used in killing the deceased have been recovered and the corpse has been deposited at the University of Ilorin Teaching Hospital (UITH) for postmortem.

"People should not entertain any fear as the police and other security agencies are working towards unraveling the situation surrounding the incident towards arresting the perpetrators and ensuring that the security of lives and property of our people are well protected.”

The PPRO said that men of the Nigeria Police have already been deployed to strategic places in the metropolis, including worship centres, to prevent such reoccurrence assuring residents to go about their lawful businesses.

He also said that men of the Nigeria Police have already been deployed in strategic places in the metropolis, to prevent such reoccurrence.

Meanwhile, a tribute to the deceased written by Hon. Adekunle Abdulkabir Akinlade, said that the killers were said to have called him out of the church. Read As Obtained By Below:



https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=179467634340462&id=100068316799718

Workch:
When did you started serving the Flying Spaghetti Monster?

Workch:
The uncaused cause is the Flying Spaghetti Monster

Workch:
Nope, he’s the Flying Spaghetti Monster and not the Christian God