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Ohyoudidnt:
It is worth noting that Aisha (RA) was married at a young age, a practice that was, in fact, commonplace across the globe, including in Europe, during that era. However, it's crucial to understand that Islam mandates both physical puberty and mental maturity before the consummation of marriage, as stipulated by the condition of maturity in the Qur'an 4:6.

Furthermore, Islam categorically prohibits harm, abuse, and coercion, and child marriage is not only illegal but also not practiced in the majority of Muslim countries today.

In the Qur'an, what is the waiting period when you divorce a prepubescent girl?

Ohyoudidnt:
On a separate note, the concept of suicide bombing or terrorism is a gross distortion of Islamic teachings, as suicide is explicitly forbidden in the Qur'an 4:29, which states, 'Do not kill yourselves. Indeed, Allah is Merciful to you.' Additionally, killing innocent people is considered a major sin, as emphasized in the Qur'an 5:32, 'Whoever kills a soul… it is as if he had slain mankind entirely.'

But it is the Fruit we see mainly from Muslims!
If there is any suicide bombing in any partnof the world, the probability that the perpetuators are Muslims is more than 90%

Ohyoudidnt:
It's also important to address the misconception surrounding Taqiyya, which, in Shi'a jurisprudence, refers to concealing one's faith under duress, and not as a license to lie.

In Sunni Islam, lying is only permissible in situations where it can save a life, and not for the purpose of deception or manipulation.

In Islam is it permissible for a Husband to lie to his Wife?
In Islam, is it permissible to lie in defence of Islam?

Ohyoudidnt:
The Jizya Tax, often misunderstood, was actually a small tax imposed on non-Muslim citizens under Islamic rule in exchange for military protection and exemption from war duty, and it's worth noting that Muslims themselves paid Zakat, which was often more. When it comes to evidence for the existence of Allah, Islam presents multiple layers of evidence, including rational arguments such as the fine-tuning of the universe, the origin of life, and the universal moral instinct, all of which point to the existence of a Wise Creator.

If Jizyah is small a tax, why must we pay it with willing Submission and Humiliation?

You see: there are things you want to believe, but your religious text say otherwise!

Ohyoudidnt:
The Qur'an itself appeals to reason, as seen in the verse, 'Were they created by nothing, or were they themselves the creators?' (Qur'an 52:35). Moreover, the revelation of the Qur'an, with its unmatched linguistic style, preservation, fulfilled prophecies, and influence, remains unparalleled, and the challenge still stands, 'If you are in doubt… produce a surah like it' (Qur'an 2:23), a challenge that has yet to be met.

But you are quick to tell us that you don't ask some kinds of questions!

You said:
Moreover, the revelation of the Qur'an, with its unmatched linguistic style, preservation, fulfilled prophecies, and influence, remains unparalleled, and the challenge still stands,

Can you give us an objective standard by which we can judge and ascertain this claim? How do we test it objectively?

Ohyoudidnt:
The realm of spiritual experience is one where millions of individuals have reported finding peace, transformation, and guidance through the practices of prayer and engagement with the Qur'an.

It's worth noting that not all forms of evidence are tangible or measurable by conventional means, much like the intangible yet undeniable realities of love, consciousness, and morality yet these are experiences that, while not necessarily quantifiable through laboratory tools, are nonetheless profoundly real.

How can you have peace when you have no guarantee of entering paradise?

Do you know What Allah has destined for you?

The difference between us is that with respect to Paradise, I am a child of YHWH while you are a slave of Allah!

Ohyoudidnt:
Throughout history, various groups, including the Israelites and Muslims, have witnessed miracles, yet the observation of such phenomena has never been a guarantee of faith. As the Qur'an so eloquently states, even if one were to be granted a celestial gateway and ascend through it, they might still remain skeptical, saying, 'Our eyes have been dazzled...' (Qur'an 15:14-15).

So, other than blind faith, who is Allah?
How do you know he is who he says he is?

Ohyoudidnt:
Islam, rather than demanding blind faith, encourages a path of reason, reflection, and subsequent submission of the heart. For those who genuinely seek truth, unencumbered by the desire for argumentation, the promise is that Allah will illuminate their heart, as expressed in the Hadith - Musnad Ahmad, 'Whoever seeks the truth sincerely, Allah will guide them.'
Lastly, the spiritual experience of millions of people, who have found peace and transformation through their faith, serves as a testament to the power and truth of Islam.

Unfortunately, you don't follow the path of reason!
You follow a blind faith
First in your Scholars
Then in Mohammed
And lastly in Allah

If not, why do Muslims hate the Israelites?
Why should a Jew convert to Islam?

Why is the most unqualified by Character be the greatest prophet to you?

All these make no sense sir!

Alfaab:
No, the Quran does not state that Prophet Muhammad was not given any miracles. While the Quran emphasizes Muhammad's role as a human messenger and does not focus on elaborate miraculous displays, it also contains verses that can be interpreted as referring to miracles or events that defied natural laws.

The Quran primarily highlights Muhammad's role as a warner and emphasizes the Quran itself as a sufficient sign for those who seek guidance.

The Quran records instances where Muhammad's contemporaries demanded specific miracles, like causing a spring to gush forth or creating a golden house. Muhammad refused to fulfill these requests, stating that prophets cannot produce miracles without God's permission and that the regularities of nature are sufficient proof.

Some verses, while not explicitly calling them miracles, are interpreted by some as referring to miraculous events. For example, Quran 17:90-93 describes requests for miracles that are not explicitly denied as impossible.
Subsequent Islamic tradition, particularly the Hadith and Sira, contain numerous narratives of miracles attributed to Muhammad.

While the Quran does not dwell on miracles in the same way as some other religious texts, verses like Quran 53:1-18 and 54:1, are interpreted by some as referring to the Isra and Mi'raj (Muhammad's Night Journey and Ascension), which is considered a miraculous event.

Allah says : We GAVE NO SIGNS unto Mohammed

You say: Allah Gave Signs to Mohammed

It seems you either know better than Allah or you have been MISLEAD!

I asked show me any Miracle given to Mohammed in the Qur'an

Ohyoudidnt:
Despite your customary diversion from thread subjects this might be the only thing mistakenly associated to the thread.

The conjunction "wa" (وَ) in this context serves as a coordinating particle, linking Jesus to the enumeration of figures erroneously venerated, such as rabbis, monks, and Jesus himself.

Notably, the term "Al-Masih" appears in the accusative case (mansub) الْمَسِيحَ rather than the nominative (marfu), indicating its role as part of the object rather than the subject. This grammatical nuance underscores that Jesus is counted among those mistakenly elevated as lords, not omitted.

Arabic syntax leaves no ambiguity. Jesus is grouped with the falsely worshipped, not aligned with Allah as a rightful recipient of devotion. The conjunction "wa" (and) associates Jesus with the misattributed lords, not with Allah as a co-equal deity.

If you have no superior Arabic explanation against the above stop displaying illogical arrogance. Accept the error in over veneration of Jesus and the Holy spirit along side the one and only ultimate God

Alright,
I challenge you to translate this Arabic into English language to prove who is write or wrong.

I am waiting!


ٱتَّخَذُوا۟ زُعَمَاءَهُمْ وَمُعَلِّمِيهِمْ أَرْبَـٰبًا مِّن دُونِ ٱلْعَدَنِ وَٱلْمَلِكُ بْنُ فَاطِمَةَ

Ohyoudidnt:
Your usual criticism of Islam mixed with accusatory tone, sarcasm, and offensive content.

Allah isn't just a body or a being trapped within creation, even if He can be seen or heard.

Muslims don’t believe that Allah is merely a spirit, either. He exists beyond any physical form, spirit, or any category we can create.

Allah can show signs or forms that help us understand Him, similar to what we see in the Bible.

Hadith emphasize His transcendence rather than His physicality. While it’s said, “He is above the Throne,” it’s also clear that He isn’t limited by space.

Mut’ah was once permitted and seems to be mentioned in Qur’an 4:24.

Sunnis hold that the Prophet later prohibited it, with Umar enforcing that ban rather than introducing something new.

On the other hand, Shi’a Muslims argue that there’s no abrogation in the Qur’an, suggesting that Umar went against divine revelation.

The main difference between the two groups is about who holds the ultimate authority: Hadith/Sunnah for Sunnis or a literal interpretation of the Qur’an combined with Imamate for Shi’a

The difference between us is that you keep repeating things you have heard from your scholars old and new.
BUT
I show you what Allah and your prophet said with their IMPLICATIONS which you don't like because they are the exact Truths Allah doesn't want you to know lest you leave Islam.

Alfaab:
Where did Allah say he gave no miracle to Prophet Muhammed?

I am sorry, you scholars told you lies about the Miracles of Mohammed.

Surah 29:50
"And they say: Why are not signs sent down upon him from his Lord? Say: The signs are only with Allah, and I am only a plain warner."

Surah 13:7
"The unbelievers say, 'Why has God not sent him, (Muhammad), some miracles?' Say, 'You are only a warner.'"


If you know of any miracle from Allah in the Qur'an, let me know sir!

Alfaab:
There were lots of miracles that happened relating to Prophet Muhammad (SAW)
There was the splitting of the moon.
The miracle of the splitting of the moon is a significant event in Islam, attributed to the prophet Muhammad. According to Islamic tradition, the moon was split into two halves as a sign for the disbelievers. This event is mentioned in the Quran in Surah Al-Qamar (54:1-2). The event is interpreted as a sign of God's power and a confirmation of Muhammad's prophethood.

Surah Al-Qamar (54:1-2) states, "The Hour has drawn near and the moon has split [in two]".

Many hadith (sayings and actions of the Prophet Muhammad) elaborate on this event, describing how the Prophet pointed to the moon and it split into two visible halves. Some accounts specify that the split was observed on the mountain of Abu Qubays.

The splitting of the moon is understood as a sign or miracle, intended to demonstrate the truth of Muhammad's prophethood to those who doubted him.

I am confused:
Who is correct between your Islamic Scholars and Allah?


If Allah says he gave no miracles to Mohammed, where did you get this?

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Ohyoudidnt:
How can I recognize Allah when I see Him?
So, here’s the thing: according to some authentic hadiths like the ones in Sahih al-Bukhari (7439),believers will actually recognize Allah in the Hereafter, but it won’t be about how He looks. Instead, it’s more about specific signs, you know? Things like the uncovering of the Shin or His speech and authority. It’s a recognition that Allah grants, not something we earn just by thinking about it in this world. Kind of like how Moses recognized God’s calling without actually seeing Him (Exodus 3). For Muslims, it’s really about divine revelation, not biology or physical appearances.

The hadith actually show that you Muslims have a wrong descriptive concept of Allah!
Why?
Was it Allah who came in the first instance or not?
If it is Allah, then, you don't know Allah!
Do you know how the shin of Iblis look like?
What is special with the shin of Allah?

How can you be sure it was NOT Iblis who forgot his supposed shape and first came to you in another form till you Muslims rejected him: such that he corrected himself to show you what you will believe?

Ohyoudidnt:
Why do Muslims not recognize Allah in the first shape?
You know, this is addressed in several hadiths too (like Bukhari 6573). When believers first encounter Allah in a form they don't expect, it’s not that they’re confused between Allah and Satan. It’s actually a test of sincerity and discernment. Allah says:
"Faces that Day will be radiant, looking at their Lord." (Qur’an 75:22-23)
So, Allah tests His servants by showing up in a way they don’t anticipate, and then He confirms His identity. This isn’t saying that Allah is a physical being; it’s about how His presence is shown differently for the purpose of judgment. The Prophet, peace be upon him, used this to illustrate Allah’s uniqueness and to gauge the sincerity of believers.
Was Allah the shape or was He inside it?
Now, this question sort of assumes Allah is limited by space like His creation, which Islam definitely denies. Allah isn’t confined to any form, nor does He “enter” His creation. When He appears in a certain form in the Hereafter, it’s more like a perception He chooses, rather than some kind of physical body. Really, there’s nothing like Him. (Qur’an 42:11)

It is not a test o!

If God is indeed the Almighty, it is IMPOSSIBLE to not know that you are in his presence!
Do you agree with this?

You can wish that Allah is not limited by space nor does he enter into his creation BUT your hadiths say otherwise. If Allah's looks is a perception, then he is not real: and whatever you are seeing as Allah is an Illusion!

Ohyoudidnt:
Do Muslims follow scholars over Allah and Muhammad?

That’s a common misconception. Scholars aren’t infallible, and Muslims aren’t required to follow them blindly. The Prophet, peace be upon him, taught, and his companions preserved that knowledge. Scholars interpret based on the Qur’an and Sunnah.
Consensus is valued because the Prophet himself praised the majority and warned against introducing new things into the faith. True scholarship isn’t about rebelling against Allah or the Prophet; it’s about understanding and applying their teachings across generations.

Of course you rate the words of your scholars higher than that or Allah or even Mohammed.
Evidence abound!

Is Allah perfect and Eloquent in speech or not?
Is Mohammed deficient in placement of words or not?

If they are not, why then don't you follow EXACTLY what they have said rather than follow the CONSENSUS of ordinary fallible men who call themselves scholars.

Do you disagree with the fact that a consensus opinion does not connote the TRUTH!?

Ohyoudidnt:
Where in the Qur’an is Mutʿah abrogated?

Mutʿah, or temporary marriage, was actually abrogated during the Prophet's lifetime. Muslims acknowledge his authority based on the Qur’an:
"Whatever the Messenger gives you, take it, and whatever he forbids you, abstain from it." (Qur’an 59:7)
Plus, there were several companions—like Ali ibn Abi Talib and Ibn Umar—who narrated this abrogation, showing it was something the early Muslims were aware of.
What abrogated Mutʿah if not the Qur’an?
Well, it was the Prophet Muhammad himself who abrogated Mutʿah, and his command is considered binding under the Qur’anic mandate (59:7). There are several sahih hadith that confirm this:
Hadith Evidence:
In Sahih Muslim 1406a, he said: "O people, I had permitted you Mutʿah, but now Allah has forbidden it until the Day of Judgment," narrated by Ali ibn Abi Talib and others.
In Sahih al-Bukhari 5115, which comes from Sabra al-Juhani, it’s noted that "The Messenger of Allah permitted us to do Mutʿah during the conquest of Mecca, then he prohibited it forever."
And in Muslim 1405, it mentions that the Prophet prohibited Mutʿah at Khaybar.
Some narrations even suggest it was allowed early in Islam under specific hardships—like during war—but was eventually made permanently forbidden.
Scholarly Consensus (Ijmaʿ)
All four Sunni madhhabs; Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi’i, and Hanbali agree that Mutʿah is haram after the Prophet abrogated it.

The Twelver Shia, however, argue that it’s still allowed, claiming Umar’s ijtihad was the cause of the abrogation. But Sunni sources clearly show it was the Prophet who made that change, and Umar only enforced it during his caliphate.

Allah is greater than Mohammed, isn't he?
Allah gave the command of Mutah in his Eternal Quran!
Then only Allah can abrogate the Mutah in his Quran!

We know that it was Umar that eventually stopped the Mutah because Mohammed Allowed it , then cancelled it, then allowed it then cancelled it and it was in effect among you muslims until Umar cancelled it

Ohyoudidnt:
Will Muslims be in Hell temporarily?

So, the Qur'an, specifically in 19:71–72, says something pretty profound: "And there is none of you except he will come to it. This is upon your Lord an inevitability decreed. Then We will save those who feared Allah and leave the wrongdoers within it, on their knees."

Most scholars interpret this to mean that people will pass over the Fire on the Sirat bridge rather than actually entering Hell.

Some do believe that sinful Muslims might end up in Hell for a bit, but the exact duration? Only Allah knows that.

What we do know is that those with genuine faith will eventually find salvation. It’s really about divine justice and mercy, isn’t it?

The crux of these verses? It’s all about the difference between the saved and those who are left behind.

Salvation is promised to those who have lived with taqwa, or God-consciousness, and who’ve made an effort to do good. This aligns with the broader Islamic teaching that our ultimate judgment hinges on our faith and actions.

Now, it’s worth noting that interpretations can differ quite a bit, and how these verses are understood can change depending on various theological views within Islam. But at the end of the day, the message is one of hope and mercy for those striving to live by Islamic principles.

Of course there is no bridge of Sirat: it is a fabrication!
You will all enter hell fire for some time!

My concern is WHY?
Why must anyone first enter the fire before he can finally be released?

This explains why Christians and Jews would be your ransom from the Fire!
Does this make logical sense to you that Christians and Jews would be your ransom from the fire!?
It seems someone doesn't want you to know the Truth!

Ohyoudidnt:
Now, let’s talk about the evidence for Allah being God.
Islam doesn’t just lean on historical witnesses though the miracles of the Prophet play a part. Instead, the Qur'an offers both internal and external signs, like:
1. Preservation: We’re talking about a book that’s been memorized and recited the same way for over 1400 years.

Every evidence show that the Quran was not perfectly preserved. Seven Ahruf, 10 Qiraat and we cannot lay our hands on just one perfect one. The Goat eat some pages but it's still perfectly preserved!?

Ohyoudidnt:
2. Linguistic miracle: The style, structure, and literary depth? Unmatched.

Another lie you willingly chose to believe. Obviously, Quran 9:31 is a mistake.
If your Quran is perfect in style, structure and literary depth, tell me; Who spoke the Al-Fathia?
Was it Mohammed, Allah or Jibril?

Ohyoudidnt:
3. Fulfilled prophecies: Like the victory of the Romans mentioned in the Qur'an (30) and the conquest of Mecca.

i. The author of the Quran seem not to know the difference between the Roman Empire AND the Byzantine Empire
ii. The word سِنِينَ ۗ refers to between 3 to 9 years (a short time indeed)
iii. Surah Ar-rum was written in Mecca (the 30th Surah of the Quran). If you know a little history, 86 chapters were written in this Mecca and the rest in Medina. Mohammed lived the last ten years of his life in Medina.
iv. So, tell me how (even if we assume that the Byzantines were the Romans) that سِنِينَ ۗ 3 to 9 years was correct.

Your scholars can tell lies for the Universe.

Ohyoudidnt:
4. Consistency with natural law: It encourages us to observe, reflect, and really study the universe around us.

Like having unnatural relationship with prepubescent girls!?
And Doing Mutah!?

Ohyoudidnt:
5. Spiritual transformation: The Qur'an has this incredible power to change hearts, unite tribes, and even reshape entire civilizations.
These aren’t just claims they’re experiences and evidence you can verify.

Bombing Churches and Mosques in the name of Allah
Suicide Bombing in the name of Allah
Taqqiyya in the name of Allah
Calling fellow human being as the worst of Creatures
Collecting Jizya from Christians and Jews when you have political power

Ohyoudidnt:
You might wonder, "The Israelites had eyewitness proof; where’s Islam’s?" Well, here’s the thing: Prophets of Israel faced rejection, too, despite their miracles. Think about it. Moses’ followers still worshipped the calf! The Qur'an is seen as a linguistic, prophetic, moral, and preservational miracle.
It’s public, global, and you can test it today, unlike those one-time miracles from ancient history. Even the Qur'an states, "This is insight from your Lord, a guidance and mercy..." (Qur'an 7:203).
The real test isn’t about whether you actually saw a miracle, but whether you’re open to engaging with it sincerely.

Demanding a miracle you can see assumes that God needs to act like His creation to be credible. But Islam teaches that Allah reveals Himself through revelation, not by showing up in human form. Faith is meant to engage both reason and trust not just what you can see.

And remember, “You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” (John 8:32)

The Qur'an echoes this sentiment: “We will show them Our signs in the horizons and in themselves until it becomes clear to them that it is the truth.” (Qur'an 41:53).

The Israelites had evidences and proofs of God only that they wanted a God who will give them freedom to do as they wish like the gods of the other nations. Unfortunately, YHWH is not like that!

The Sea parted for them and they walked on dry land
God fed them for 40 years in the desert
They saw miracles from several prophets God sent to them

The Israelites can NEVER ever say their God is Hearsay or Theoretical.

You have only given excuses sir,
What is the EVIDENCE for Allah?
Talk is cheap!

Ohyoudidnt:
Allah's shape and visibility have been subjects of discussion, with authentic hadiths suggesting that He will appear in a recognizable form to believers, albeit later becoming unrecognizable - a notion that Sunni orthodoxy affirms, while emphasizing that Allah can be seen without modality, meaning He doesn't resemble creation or possess a physical shape like created beings; in fact, the term 'shape' used here doesn't imply a body or limit, and isn't comparable to human form, as stated in Surah Ash-Shura 42:11, which says, 'There is nothing like unto Him.'

Furthermore, the concept of Allah's shape is often misunderstood, and it's essential to approach this topic with a deep understanding of Islamic theology. The two hands of Allah, as mentioned in the Qur'an, where it's stated that Allah created Adam with His two hands (Surah 38:75), are attributes that we affirm without likening them to human limbs, a position held by early scholars like Imam Malik and Ahmad ibn Hanbal, who said, 'The attribute is known, the how is unknown, belief in it is obligatory, and asking about it is an innovation.'

1. So, as a Muslim, tell me how I can recognise Allah when I see him?
2. How come Muslims initially assumed Allah was Shaitan to the point of seeking refuge from him with Allah?
3. Was Allah the shape seen by you Muslims or Allah was inside the shape?

Ohyoudidnt:
Additionally, the idea that Muslims prioritize scholars over Allah is a misconception. Muslim scholars are merely tools for understanding what Allah and His Prophet (peace be upon him) revealed, and when Muslims follow ijma' (scholarly consensus), it's because the Prophet commanded it, as stated in the Hadith, 'My Ummah will never agree upon error' (Sunan Tirmidhi, Hadith: 2167), and scholars don't overwrite revelation, but rather interpret it through the Quran and Sunnah.

The Prophet (peace be upon him) also explained the five daily prayers in authentic hadith, which the Qur'an alludes to but doesn't fully enumerate, and Mut'ah (temporary marriage) was initially permitted but later abrogated by the Prophet himself, a legislative act that Muslims accept as valid.

My problem with you Muslims is that
1. Allah or Mohammed will say something clear and direct
2. Your scholars will say different things by treating Allah and Mohammad as if they were toddlers who are imprecise with words.
AND
You Muslims will follow the consensus of your scholars! You call it EXPLANATION!

Except you show from the Qur'an when Allah abrogated the Mutah otherwise it was Mohammed who did the Abrogation. The same thing with daily prayers!

Ohyoudidnt:
Lastly, regarding the verse in the Qur'an (19:71) that states everyone will enter Hell, it's essential to consider the next verse, which clarifies that 'Then We will save those who feared Allah and leave the wrongdoers within it,' and early scholars interpreted this as crossing over Hell via the Sirat (bridge), not entering into it bodily, a matter of tafsir that isn't universally agreed upon, and therefore, not a contradiction.

This had always being my point: that Muslims will be in the Fire of Hell temporarily.

The question is:
In the light of Eternity, how many Days or Weeks or Years or Decades or Centuries or Millennials will you spend in Hell Fire before you are eventually removed?

Ohyoudidnt:
Evidence Supporting the Validity of the Quran and Islam The Quran offers a combination of internal proofs such as its linguistic brilliance, moral guidance, and prophetic accuracy—alongside external validations, including historical consistency, scientific insights, and unparalleled preservation. It boldly invites skeptics to replicate even a single chapter of its caliber (Qur’an 2:23), a challenge that remains unmet. Beyond mere assertions, the Quran’s transformative impact on individuals, its role in shaping civilizations, and the fulfillment of its prophecies stand as undeniable testimonies to its divine origin. Unlike other religious texts, the Quran is a self-validating miracle, preserved in its original form without alteration.

I asked for EVIDENCES supporting Allah!

Even though, the Qur'an has been found to contain lots of
Scientific Errors
Historical Errors
Mathematical Errors
Logical Errors
Grammatical Errors
But this is not my objective.

I asked for EVIDENCES that we can use from historical witnesses that Allah is God.

The Children of Israel are witnesses to several things YHWH have done in their lives and what they have witnessed.

Ohyoudidnt:
Very well you have argued the same thing thereby having me repeat myself. Then you have digressed into other questions you have repeated for years yet the answers aren't different except for your fixation that the answers will somehow change yet you have no new proof to enable this. Welll good luck.

Because you keep repeating what you want to believe rather than what Allah or Mohammed has spoken.
If I repeatedly told you that Donald Trump is the President of Nigeria one million times would never change the truth

TruthU87:
Something like October 7 was going to happen regardless.

I would like you to answer this simple question honestly: If someone from Congo came to your home and claimed that their ancestors settled there 2,000 years ago, asserting that they have the right to live in your house, and when you confronted them, they responded with violence and killed your entire family—how would you react?

All we ask is :
Who had been the Rulers and Administrators of the palestinians before the Jews came back to reclaim their land?

Ohyoudidnt:
1 Yes, Believers Will See Allah in Heaven

You're right. Islam says that true followers will see Allah later, as told in many hadiths. Early wise ones like Ibn Kathir, al-Jalalayn, & Imam Abu Hanifa said so too.

But this does not mean that Allah has a set shape or is part of creation.

Why?
Because the rules of this world do not bind what comes later. Light, time, & space don't work the same there. That’s why.

"His eyes do not catch Him, but He catches all eyes." (Qur’an 6:103)
"There is nothing like Him." (Qur’an 42:11)

So yes, believers will see Allah, but not like we see things here. Allah stays great, beyond all, & free — even if He shows Himself in a way fit for His grandeur.

But you IGNORE the fact that your prophet explicitly states that Allah will come in A SHAPE which you wouldn't accept initially, then Allah will come again in his original SHAPE and say I am your Lord!

You see why I said:
The whole of Islam is following
1. Your Scholars as a first priority
2. Mohammed as a second priority
3. Allah as a third priority

#In the Qur'an, Allah say pray THREE times: how many times do you pray? FIVE!
#In the Quran, Allah say do Mutah: you say Mohammed abrogated Mutah so you do not do it!
#Allah and Mohammed believes in the Preservation of the Injeel and Torah: your Muslim scholars say NO, that they are corrupted!
#Allah accuses people of the book as taking their Rabbis and Monks as LORDS instead of Allah AND the Messiah. But your scholars rewrote it to exclude the Messiah as LORD!
#Allah say that ALL Muslims must enter Hell Fire at least for some time. Your Islamic scholars created the Bridge of Sirat

Ohyoudidnt:
2 Is All That Can Be Seen Bound to End?
No, that's a deep thought, not a God-given truth.

If you think so, then angels, jinn, & even the soul would have to be real things. But we learn from God's words that their true form is beyond us or not known.

Just because you can see it does not mean it is made of bits or is part of the big space. The truth of Heaven & how Allah shows up there is not bound by our world's rules.

Are Angels finite or infinite in size?
And it take EIGHT angels to carry the throne of Allah: thus Allah is finite sir.

There is not going around it.

Ohyoudidnt:
3 What About Allah's Hands & Making Adam?

You bring up: Qur’an 38:75 - Why did you not bow to what I made with My hands?

Muslims take this as it is, without making Allah seem like us.

We do not say Allah’s hands are like ours.

We do not make His hands seem less.

We do not take them as just a symbol.

We say they are real, fitting His grandeur, & we do not ask how.

This is not doubt; it’s just the way. We don't ask how Allah knows, sees, or hears yet we trust those are true.

No one is speaking about the size of Allah's eyes or its colour: neither are we speaking about the looks of Allah's hands whether long or short, lean or stout: we are speaking of the function of hands as Allah has described them AND not how you wish Allah's hands to be.

Allah used his TWO hands to mould Adam from clay and we stand by that!

WHy do you like manufacturing Allah different from what he himself claims to be?

Ohyoudidnt:
4. What If Allah Takes a Form?

This asks if Allah is like things that do not change, & if He shows up as new, does the old go away?

That's the wrong view. Allah is not made of parts or shapes. He shows Himself by His wish, not by turning or leaving a shape.

When Allah shows a form we know, it is just a show, not a change in who He is. He stays The First, The Last, The Seen, & The Unseen — all at the same time. (Qur’an 57:3)

Your question, "What happened to Allah’s form when He took on a new shape?" thinks wrong that He has a set form. But:
Allah does not change. He is not a thing.

Who should I believe first
1. Allah and his prophet Mohammed
2. You and your Islamic scholars?

Are you saying that the shape of Allah doesn't exist?
If Allah doesn't have a shape, how is he sitting upon his throne?

Ohyoudidnt:
5 Is It Blind Trust to Not Guess?

No. Not to speak of what we don't know is not blind trust; it’s just wise.
"Do not go into what you do not know." (Qur’an 17:36)
Islam lets us ask, but not guess, boast, or cause mess & false beliefs.
The wise ones said:
Say it as Allah did — without asking how.
This does not mean we drop logic. It means we don't act like we can grasp all that is unseen fully.

Blind trust is to hold to things with no proof. Islam's faith is based on:
God's words (Qur’an & true Hadith), good thought, logical sense (no clashes in what God is), & knowing our limits.

The Quran is a claim NOT a proof!
A proof is based on verifiable EVIDENCES that show that other claims can be trusted!

When God Divided the Sea through Moses: were there Witnesses? Thus we can trust God by the claims of Moses!
WHen Jesus raised up the dead were there Witnesses? Then we can trust God by the claims of Jesus
When Elijah made prophecies in the name of YHWH and it came to pass, were there Witnesses? Then we can trust God by the claims of Elijah!

What is the proof that Allah is God other than claims in the Quran?

Ohyoudidnt:
6. Qur’an 5:101–102 — "Don't Ask" Words
These words warn of asks that lead to loss of faith, not real seeks:
"O you who trust, don't ask of things that, if shown to you, would hurt you." (Qur’an 5:101)
In the Prophet’s days, some asked things not needed or to mock, & faced what they asked.
It's like when Israelites asked Moses about the cow in Qur’an 2:68–71. The more they asked, the harder the rule got. Their want for small things led to their fall.

These words warn us not to play with faith or test God with nonstop asks.

You are not answering my question nor reading my argument

Why would the knowledge of the TRUTH lead to loss of Faith?
Knowledge should increase faith!

Ohyoudidnt:
7. Qur’an 19:71–72 — Will Every Muslim Face Hell?

Every one of you will face it [Hell]...
Then We will save those who feared Allah...
(Qur’an 19:71–72)

Facing it doesn't mean going in & burning. Wise ones were not all the same on this. Some said it's like crossing a bridge over Hell.
Others said it's seeing it up close.

But Allah says He will save the good from it.
This is not wrong. It’s a test & a sign. Those who fall in are just, & those saved are by God’s love.

Can't you acknowledge the truth for once?

You will NOT face Hell. You will BE IN IT: then Allah will remove the Believers and leave the unbelievers on their knees(in Hell).

If only you can truthfully answer these two questions below, the truth rather than sentiments will come to you:
Will the Unbelievers be on the bridge of Sirat?
Will the unbelievers be left on their knees on the bridge of sirat?

If the unbelievers wouldn't be left on the bridge then everyone including you Muslims will be INSIDE the Fire before Allah removes you Muslims and lees the unbelievers on their knees!

Qur'an 19:71-72
"And there is none of you except he will come to it (Hell). This is upon your Lord an inevitability decreed. Then We will save those who feared Allah and leave the wrongdoers within it, on their knees."

1. If the Truth is that you will certainly enter hell fire (even if it is temporarily), would it distress you?
2. Knowing that you will enter the fire even if it is temporary is certainly NOT Good because the time you will spend is undefined!
3. Wouldn't this knowledge help you to begin to seek for a way of avoiding this calamity?
4. What will you call anyone who says you will pass over the bridge of Sirat or you will fly over hell contrary to Qur'an 19:71-72: would such be a friend!?

Kobojunkie:
The problem is none of what you listed; like I said, I know what is behind the problem, and it is plaque build-up on my enamel that would need to be taken care of at my biannual dental appointment soon.

No problem!
I just cared as someone who used to have serious halitosis. Brushing even four times a day didn't even help till I stumbled on an unconventional solution!

Have a nice day!

Kobojunkie:
It is not easy but it must be done and in the politest of ways too. Many times, a simple brushing of one's teeth will not make the problem go away, and this can happen to any one of us. It becomes very important, then, to ensure we are informed on the many possible causes of bad breath. (Bad habits or poor grooming are not the only reasons for bad breath.) This way, we don't go in assuming it is exactly for the reasons we think in our tiny minds.

Right now, I know my breath is bad. I do brush and floss, but it's mainly because I have not seen my dentist for my regular cleaning for a very long time now. So, whenever someone complains, I let them know that I already have an appointment to see a dentist for a cleaning soon, and smile. That typically puts the person at ease.

DM me. I can give you a cheap and effective solution.
Free of charge.
Halitosis is not for many people because of bad hygiene but
1. Dentition
2. Tongue surface structure
3. Digestive problems.

Stay blessed!

Ohyoudidnt:
4. Is Allah’s Form Eternal or Temporal?

Another question often raised is if Allah’s form is temporary or eternal?

Allah’s essence is eternal, and He does not change. If He chooses to appear to His creation in a way they can recognize, it is by His will, and not because He has taken on a new shape or has been limited by time.

Islamic theology carefully avoids such philosophical traps. We affirm what Allah reveals about Himself without asking how.
Asking if His form is temporal assumes He has a physical body in the first place which Islam explicitly rejects.

These are not philosophical traps, they are pitfalls in your theology!

*Allah is ONE
*Allah cannot enter into his creation
Yet we see that Allah puts on a different form from his original

Then, we want to ask
What happened to Allah's real/original body when he appeared to you Muslims with a strange shape? Did this body die? And what happened to the strange shape of Allah when he came back to you Muslims in the shape you know?

Ohyoudidnt:
5. Do Muslims Avoid Reasoning?

No. Islam encourages deep reasoning, but always within the boundaries of revelation. Islam makes a critical distinction between:

Sound reason that submits to revelation,

And speculative reasoning that imagines Allah based on creation?

The Qur’an itself refutes blind speculation:
And do not pursue that of which you have no knowledge.
(Qur’an 17:36)

Faith in Islam is not blind. It is built upon reason, evidence, and a deep awareness that human logic has limits when dealing with the Divine. As Imam Mālik famously said Allah’s rising above the Throne is known, how is unknown, belief in it is obligatory, and asking about it is a bid'ah (blameworthy innovation).

Of course you do avoid deep reasoning.
You will note that most of my questions were answered with

We don't answer such questions because they are philosophical traps!
OR
We do not imagine size or dimensions or etc
OR
We do not speculate beyond the text

Yours is what is called BLIND faith my friend!

A blind faith is a trust based on no credible evidence such kinds of faith are based purely on emotions!

Ohyoudidnt:
6. The Meaning of Qur’an 5:101–102

Critics often quote:
Do not ask about things which, if made apparent to you, would distress you...” (Qur’an 5:101)

This is not a command to avoid all questions. It refers to harmful, speculative, or rebellious questioning, like what some people did to past prophets out of mockery or stubbornness.

Islam welcomes sincere, honest inquiry. In fact, the Qur’an commands believers to reflect, contemplate, and seek knowledge but within the scope of what Allah has revealed.

Who are those who asked questions and thus became disbelievers?

Why do you think Allah says that knowing the TRUTH could cause you distress ?

Quran 5:101
"O you who have believed, do not ask about things which, if they are shown to you, will distress you. But if you ask about them while the Qur'an is being revealed, they will be made plain to you. Allah has pardoned that which is past; and Allah is Forgiving and Forbearing."


1. Shouldn't you want to know the TRUTH even if it would distress you?
2. Are you aware that the end of any Truth that will cause you distress is NEVER good?
3. Are you aware that when you know the Truths that could cause you distress, you have an opportunity to avoid the Harm coming to you?
4. Would you call anyone who withhold a Truth that would cause you distress if you know about it a friend or an enemy?

My brother, I beg you to THINK about this verse.

Qur'an 19:71-72
"And there is none of you except he will come to it (Hell). This is upon your Lord an inevitability decreed. Then We will save those who feared Allah and leave the wrongdoers within it, on their knees."
1. If the Truth is that you will certainly enter hell fire (even if it is temporarily), would it distress you?
2. Knowing that you will enter the fire even if it is temporary is certainly NOT Good because the time you will spend is undefined!
3. Wouldn't this knowledge help you to begin to seek for a way of avoiding this calamity?
4. What will you call anyone who says you will pass over the bridge of Sirat or you will fly over hell contrary to Qur'an 19:71-72: would such be a friend!?

Ohyoudidnt:
1. Can Allah Be Seen, and Does That Require a Shape?

Yes, Muslims affirm based on authentic Hadith that believers will see Allah on the Day of Resurrection. For example, the Prophet pbuh said you will see your Lord just as you see the moon on a clear night.(Sahih al-Bukhari 7439)

However, this does not mean Allah must have a shape that conforms to the laws of light, eyes, and space. The Prophet pbuh compared the clarity of vision not the form of Allah to the clarity of the moon or sun.

Furthermore, vision in the Hereafter is not like vision in this world. Just as the nature of Paradise, its pleasures, and the bodies of the resurrected are unlike anything we know now, the act of seeing Allah is also unique. It does not require light, retinas, or reflection, as those are worldly mechanisms. Allah, being the Creator of light and vision, is not subject to them.

As the Qur’an declares:Vision cannot grasp Him, but He grasps all vision.
(Qur’an 6:103)

To insist otherwise is to impose created limitations on the Creator, which is both theologically and rationally flawed.

Good that you finally acknowledged that Allah can be seen.

I am sure that you will agree with me that the difference between our senses here and in paradise is that our senses would be heightened.
Colours would be brighter, Sights would be sharper and clearer, Hearing would be perfect, Pleasures would be heightened etc

Thus, you Muslims would be able the see your Allah as clearly as younger the sun or moon. Al-Jalalayn and Ibn Kathir explained that the exception for Qur'an 6:103 will be in paradise. The believers will see Him with their own eyes, effortlessly and without any difficulty.

Imam Abu Hanifah states:
"The people of Paradise shall truly see Allah without manner, resemblance, or direction. The believers shall see Him in Paradise with their own eyes, without any distance between Him and them."



Do you know that ANYTHING that can be seen is a subset of the extended Universe and thus FINITE?

Ohyoudidnt:
2. Does Allah Have a Shape or Form?

Certain Hadith mention that Allah will come in a form that believers do not recognize at first, then later in a form they will recognize. Critics often seize on this to claim that Allah must have a shape.

Islamic scholars from the earliest generations responded clearly and
we affirm what is revealed, including that Allah will come in a way believers recognize.

But we do not define this as a shape in the material sense.

We do not imagine dimensions, size, light, or shadow.

And we do not speculate beyond the text.


The term shape in this context is part of the unseen and is affirmed without likening it to any human or material reality.

To say that Allah must have a shape simply because He is seen is like saying the soul must have a skeleton because we believe it can feel. It is a false analogy based on worldly assumptions.

My argument is NOT about the LOOKS of Allah but that he has a FORM or SHAPE!

Are you aware that ANYTHING that has a shape is BOUNDED in Form (has a limited dimension)?

Furthermore,
Allah seems to have at least TWO forms or shapes which I want to believe are both eternal as they are of his essence.

So, what happened to Allah's real/original body when he appeared to you Muslims with a strange shape? Did this body die? And what happened to the strange shape of Allah when he came back to you Muslims in the shape you know?

Ohyoudidnt:
3. The Issue of Two Hands in Qur’an 38:75

One of the most cited verses by critics is What prevented you from prostrating to that which I created with My two hands? (Qur’an 38:75)

Muslims do not deny this verse. Instead, we affirm it in a manner befitting Allah without imagining, likening, or interpreting it through human experience.

The mistake critics make is assuming that because humans use hands to grasp, Allah’s hands must serve the same purpose and therefore imply a physical body. But Allah has attributes unique to Him, and nothing is like Him.
There is nothing like unto Him, and He is the All-Hearing, All-Seeing.
(Qur’an 42:11)

So, while we affirm Allah has two hands as mentioned in revelation, we do not define or describe them. We do not say they are limbs, appendages, or tools, nor do we say they are metaphorical.They are real, as Allah intends, but not like ours in any way.

Unfortunately, what you do or do not do is immaterial in this case: why!?
Because Allah defined exactly what he used his hands to do.

Allah used his two hands to mold Adam.

Quran 15:26
"And We did certainly create man from sounding clay, from mud molded into shape."

Otherwise, define what a HAND is and compare the functionality with respect to moulding clay/mud.

DENYING the Truth doesn't make you right: it actually guarantees that you are wrong!

Easyincome24:
Will you stay or leave, if your examiner sets this type of question?

It is most likely a PRACTICAL Examination.

If you don't have the necessary skill set, no amount of asking others will help you.

You may get help to confirm your analysis BUT you wouldn't get help for fabricating the Object with your Lathe Machine or Welding Machine etc

Ohyoudidnt:
1. Does Seeing Require Allah to Have a Shape?
Absolutely not. In Islamic theology, the ability to see Allah doesn’t hinge on Him having a physical form or shape as we know it. The Prophet (pbuh) explicitly mentioned, "You will see your Lord..." but left the specifics of His appearance undefined. Think of it like this: the sun and moon analogy isn’t about form but clarity. Seeing something especially in the unseen, eternal realm doesn’t demand a spatial or tangible structure. Allah is beyond comparison, yet He can still be perceived. It’s not a contradiction; it’s the reality of the divine.

We see with our EYES, don't we?
We see when Lights from an object trajects into our eyes!

When you Muslims see Allah, will it be with your eyes or nose?
When you speak to Allah will it be with your mouth or ears?

Then, stop deceiving yourself by closing your mind to reality: If Allah Allah can be seen by mere humans, then he has a shape and light can reflect from him to your eyes.

At resurrection, will you Muslims have a body or not?

Ohyoudidnt:
2. Does Allah Have a Shape?
Hadiths do reference Allah appearing in a form, but here’s the catch: it’s not a form bound by human concepts like size, material, or features. Muslims affirm that Allah will manifest in a recognizable way, but we don’t box it into terms like "physical shape" or "body." Why? Because the Qur’an (42:11) states, "There is nothing like unto Him." So yes, He can be seen, and yes, He’ll appear in a manner believers recognize—but we don’t dive into speculative details about that form.

My argument was not that Allah has a human form: he could as well be a transformer, I don't care.

The important thing is that Allah has a SHAPE!

Do you still contest this?

Ohyoudidnt:
3. Is Allah’s Form Temporal or Eternal?
Allah’s essence is timeless and unchanging, free from the constraints of time or space. Any form He takes when appearing to believers isn’t like ours, but we’re not told whether it’s an eternal attribute or a temporary manifestation. Bottom line? We stick to what the texts say and avoid overstepping.

If Allah's shape is his essence, Will Allah take up a form that is Temporal?

You do not want to delve into it because your theology breaks down.

Let me help you: Allah is so great that it is beneath him to enter his creation: Is this a true statement?

Ohyoudidnt:
4. About Quran 38:75 – “My Two Hands”
Mainstream Islam doesn’t shy away from affirming that Allah mentioned "two hands." But let’s be clear: these aren’t literal, physical limbs. It’s a majestic expression of His power and favor, like when He created Adam "with His two hands"—a truth that stands apart from human comparisons. We take it at face value without reducing it to human terms.

For the thousand time: My objective is not to compare Allah's hands with human hands.

What is a hand?
A hand is an appendage used primarily for holding, grabbing or touching things rather than walking.

This is what Allah says he has: two hands with which he created Adam!
Show me with evidence either from Allah or Mohammed that Allah's hands are not literal?

Ohyoudidnt:
5. The question of whether Muslims are denying obvious truths is a matter of perspective, as the Islamic faith emphasizes the transcendent and incomparable nature of Allah. Unlike tangible entities, such as human beings, Allah’s essence is beyond physical representation or direct observation. The Qur’an and Hadith explicitly state that Allah is unique, with no likeness or equal, as evidenced by verses like Surah Ash-Shura (42:11) and Surah Al-Ikhlas (112:4). These texts also affirm that human knowledge cannot fully grasp His nature. When posed with queries like, "Does Allah have a shape?" the response is nuanced: while believers may recognize His manifestations, attributing physicality to Allah is inappropriate, as it imposes limitations on His infinite and unseen reality.

Allah could be unique in the sense that
1. He is bigger , taller and stronger than us
2. He is older than us humans
3. He has a complexion that is different from human complexions
4. His two hands are right hands

All these are obvious differences between Allah and us.

The problem of Muslims is that they shut down their reasoning facilities in other to avoid the Truth!

It's like you asking me the Question
Question:
TenQ, is the addition of 4 oranges to 5 oranges equal to 9 oranges?

My Response:
You see, we don't ask ourselves these kinds of questions! Human knowledge cannot grasp these answer because we don't even have the oranges at home! We don't overstep our boundaries beyond the oranges we have are ripe or unripe? It is inappropriate to ask such questions as we don't even have ripe oranges with us?

If these look silly to you, then just imagine how it looks to me!

These are problem of Islam. Islam cannot withstand scrutiny: all your claims always break down with questions

This is probably why Allah says:


Quran 5:101
"O you who have believed, do not ask about things which, if they are shown to you, will distress you. But if you ask about them while the Qur'an is being revealed, they will be made plain to you. Allah has pardoned that which is past; and Allah is Forgiving and Forbearing."

The next verse gives the reason
Qur'an 5:102
"A people asked such [questions] before you; then they became thereby disbelievers."

Who are these people of old who became disbelievers because they asked questions?

So, you swallow LIES hook, line and sinker because you wouldn't ask questions that will set you free!

Only the Truth you know and imbibe will set you free.

John 8:32:
"And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free.”"

Matt 7:7:
"Ask, and it shall be given to you. Seek, and you shall find. Knock, and it shall be opened to you."

God want you to ASK Questions sir!

Sand2022:
I am familiar with the position of JWs, I just don't know about bookmark.

It's okay!
For me, I think it's the same argument slightly different flavours!

Sand2022:
This sounds like the position of JWs, but it doesn't appear that bookmark is a JW. So I want to understand his perspective. So all the point he is making then is that Jesus is not Almighty, but he can be worshipped?

It's the same misunderstanding
The same argument


They cannot fathom how YHWH can be Somewhere and Everywhere at the same time.
They cannot fathom how YHWH can be Unlimited and Limited at the same time.

This is their problem!

This is why if your ask them the Question :
if Jehovah is Omnipresent, you may be shocked with their answer .

I don't waste much time with them!

Sand2022:
I wanted to reply to all these, but the first point you made was that Jesus is God, but not God Almighty. I need to understand your position well. What do you mean by the word "God"? How many Gods di we have? Jesus being God, do you think he should be worshipped?

Is the point of difference only the claim that Jesus is not the Almighty? Only his Father is Almighty?

Based on their wilful IGNORANCE, they created TWO Gods for themselves
1. The Almighty God
2. The Mighty God.

They then Demoted the Holy Spirit to a mere Influence or Power of God!

Gabrielshow24:
TenQ, that's how it has become. We can't say anything 👀 critical to their beliefs. One of the reasons, I have left their section altogether. It's just 🤦🏾‍♂️.

Thanks, for the submission. You have totally dissected their book. No one could have done any better. More grease to your elbow.

As for your opponent, he is being intellectually dishonest. No one, points to the Sun and then you intrepret it as clarity.

I can't point to the world cup and someone will reintrepret it as atmosphere 🤦🏾‍♂️. The context doesn't warrant such re-intrepretation! This is the only way they can patch up the inherent contradiction of these with the standard narrative!

Islam is a LIE that Muslims try their best to protect by telling covering lies. They honestly wish their lies would be true at the end of the day BUT this is an impossibility.

The Rules Seun is using in applying AI to flag post is completely unfair to the truth.
I have been shadowbanned to a point that for every post I make, I have to check if it has been banned or not. Thus, I hardly make original posts again.

I guess this is Seun's objective. This will end up being counterproductive to Nairaland

Ohyoudidnt:
You also mentioned that Allah has two right hands, a face, smiles, and that He’s described in contrast to the Dajjal. These descriptions come from authentic Hadith, and scholars from early Islam warned us not to interpret them in human terms. When the Prophet pbuh said “Your Lord is not one-eyed,” it was to show that Allah is perfect and has no defects not that He looks like the Dajjal. It’s about affirming Allah’s perfection, not making a comparison.

How else would you understand what it means to SMILE if not in reference to human smiling because of all creations, ONLY humans smile and a SMILE is a physical expression of the FACE.

Allah's face according to your prophet is like Adam's face, thus the link is established.

Your scholars do NOT want you to examine the FALSEHOODS in their theology, thus, they don't want you to ask any questions.

Don't forget that the same questions you don't ask your scholars is what you use to claim the falsehood of Christianity!

How will you feel if someone sells a PLOT of land to you and ask you not to ask questions about the document he gave you?

Could such a seller be a 419?

Ohyoudidnt:
You say that Muslims follow scholars instead of Allah and His Messenger. But scholars didn’t make up these beliefs. They carefully studied the Qur’an and Hadith, staying true to what the Prophet’s companions understood. They taught us to affirm what Allah and His Messenger said, without likening Allah to anything, denying His attributes, or speculating about how they work. The reason Muslims don’t say Allah is a body or has a shape isn’t because we reject the Hadith, but because the Prophet pbuh and the Qur’an warned us never to compare Allah to creation.

Scholars have preserved that warning. When you say the Hadith are “haunting for Islam,” you’re assuming they mean Allah has a human-like form, but that’s not what the Prophet intended or what the earliest Muslims thought. So yes, Muslims believe that Allah will be seen.

Check sir!
The whole of Islam is following
1. Your Scholars as a first priority
2. Mohammed as a second priority
3. Allah as a third priority

#In the Qur'an, Allah say pray THREE times: how many times do you pray? FIVE!

#In the Quran, Allah say do Mutah: you say Mohammed abrogated Mutah so you do not do it!

#Allah and Mohammed believes in the Preservation of the Injeel and Torah: your Muslim scholars say NO, that they are corrupted!

#Allah accuses people of the book as taking their Rabbis and Monks as LORDS instead of Allah AND the Messiah. But your scholars rewrote it to exclude the Messiah as LORD!

#Allah say that ALL Muslims must enter Hell Fire at least for some time. Your Islamic scholars created the Bridge of Sirat

The list goes on and on!
Who truely do you believe as a first priority?
Allah or your scholars?

Ohyoudidnt:
Yes, we believe in Allah's attributes as mentioned in the Qur’an and Hadith. But we don't describe them in physical or human terms. We accept everything Allah and His Messenger have said, and we avoid comparing the Creator with His creation. That’s the core of Tawhid — complete oneness with God.

You don't have to describe them in human terms: Allah already did and, that's the point.

When Allah and your prophet has spoken, do you think it is important to value the opinion of your scholars?

Ohyoudidnt:
You have a flair for having the same thing repeated isn't it?

I didn't even repeat anything. I just showed you two similar Hadiths because you don't answer direct questions. The truth usually has to be forced out of you before you acknowledge it.

Ohyoudidnt:
So you're saying that if Allah can be seen, then maybe He has some form or shape. Muslims do believe that Allah will be seen on the Day of Resurrection, but that doesn’t mean He looks like His creation or has a body like ours.

Good.
If Allah can be seen, he MUST necessarily have a SHAPE!

Note that my argument isn't about whether Allah hooks like us humans (even though this is true).
My goal is to help you admit that Allah has a shape...In don't care how Allah looks like.

Is Allah's shape (the one you will see on the daynof resurrection TEMPORAL or ETERNAL ?

Ohyoudidnt:
The Prophet (peace be upon him) compared seeing Allah to the clarity and ease of spotting the sun and moon, not in terms of Allah’s appearance. Seeing doesn’t mean being physically similar. Allah Himself states in the Qur’an (42:11), "There is nothing like unto Him, and He is the All-Hearing, All-Seeing."

You also mentioned those Hadiths where Allah appears in a way believers don’t recognize at first, and later in a form they do. And that believers will recognize Him by His Shin. These narrations are authentic and widely accepted. Scholars explain that the description of His form and His Shin are qualities of Allah that we affirm without trying to understand how. We accept these descriptions as truths but don’t interpret them to mean Allah has a body or limbs, or that He resembles creation.

Aren't you wilfully DENYING obvious TRUTHS by refusing to examine it?

It's like saying that President Tinubu is a White Caucasian Man in spite of the evidence with the excuse that in my household, we don't look at skin colour!

Ohyoudidnt:
Just like we acknowledge Allah’s ability to see and hear without needing eyes or ears like ours, we also accept these attributes without trying to picture them. Regarding the Hadith “Allah created Adam in His image,” scholars like Imam Nawawi and even Ibn Taymiyyah clarified that this refers to Adam being made with a complete human form (speech, intellect, dignity) not that Allah looks like Adam or vice versa. Claiming that Allah looks human goes against the core of Islamic belief, which stresses Allah’s absolute uniqueness and that He isn’t like anything in His creation.

If Allah never mentioned that he created Adam with his two hands, you may be able to wriggle out but Allah's inclusion of the qualifier TWO fixed Allah's words as literal

Quran 38:75
"He said, ‘O Iblis! What prevented you from prostrating to that which I created with My two hands? Are you arrogant, or are you among the exalted?’

Ohyoudidnt:
Saying that your Lord isn’t one-eyed doesn't mean Allah has two eyes like we do. It’s more about clarifying that He’s perfect and doesn’t have any flaws, so there’s no room for confusion about His nature.

Sorry!
All Mohammed needed to say was
"If you are confused about the Dajjal, your Lord is NOT physical"!

But what did Mohammed say!?
1. He describes the Dajjal in detail
2. He mentioned one serious flaw in the Dajjal: as the ONE eye
3. He says: if you are still confused note that Allah doesn't have one eye!


Is the Dajjal ALMOST perfect but with a flaw?
Then why compare him with Allah!?

Ohyoudidnt:
No need to as my answer is in my earlier response.


Allah is fundamentally different from creation. He isn’t a physical body, isn’t limited by space, and isn’t bound by time. Yet, His knowledge, power, and will are present and effective everywhere.

I didn't ask if Allah has a physical body!
Iblis has a shape but he doesn't have a physical body. He is made from smokeless fire

Angels have shapes but they don't have a physical body. They are made from light.


The Question is whether Allah has a BODY or not!

Do you deny that Anything/Anyone that has a body has a SHAPE!?

Ohyoudidnt:
Allah has beautiful names and attributes, like hearing, sight, hand, and mercy. These are mentioned in the Qur’an and Sunnah, but none of them are like anything in creation. Allah is not a body, has no shape, and isn’t limited by space or time. He is above His Throne, so that suits His majesty (Qur’an 20:5). Still, His knowledge, power, will, and commands include everything, even though He isn’t physically inside creation (Qur’an 57:4). This balance shows we affirm His greatness without likening Him to anything human, and acknowledge His transcendence without denying His existence. Allah is above the Throne. The Qur’an describes how The Most Merciful rose over the Throne (Qur’an 20:5). He is exalted above creation, not part of it. Nothing is like Him. There is nothing comparable to Him, and He is all-hearing and all-seeing (Qur’an 42:11). His attributes are unique and do not resemble human body parts. And no matter where you are, He is with you (Qur’an 57:4). His knowledge and power are everywhere, but His essence isn’t limited to space. He knows everything – He is all-knowing (Qur’an 2:282). Knowledge surrounds all places, but His presence isn’t bodily. Some of His attributes like hand, eye, and shin are mentioned in the Qur’an (Qur’an 38:75, 20:39, 68:42). We affirm these without asking how, and without making them like human parts, or denying their reality. Imam Malik explained that when it comes to His rising (istiwa), we believe in it, accept that we don’t understand how, and avoid questioning it as an innovation. Belief is essential, and asking details about it is not correct.

I agree that these are the things you wish to believe about your Allah BUT

Your prophet disagrees with you as Allah has at least a shape.

Sahih al-Bukhari 6573
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Some people said, "O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! Shall we see our Lord on the Day of Resurrection?" He said, "Do you crowd and squeeze each other on looking at the sun when it is not hidden by clouds?" They replied, "No, Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)." He said, "Do you crowd and squeeze each other on looking at the moon when it is full and not hidden by clouds?" They replied, No, O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)!" He said, "So you will see Him (your Lord) on the Day of Resurrection...


Do you deny that:
Whatever can be SEEN has a shape?
Your prophet says that you will SEE Allah!


Continuing with the same hadith

Sahih al-Bukhari 6573
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Some people said, "O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! Shall we see our Lord on the Day of Resurrection?"
.......
similarly Allah will gather all the people and say, 'Whoever used to worship anything should follow that thing. 'So, he who used to worship the sun, will follow it, and he who used to worship the moon will follow it, and he who used to worship false deities will follow them; and then only this nation (i.e., Muslims) will remain, including their hypocrites. Allah will come to them in a shape other than they know and will say, 'I am your Lord.' They will say, 'We seek refuge with Allah from you. This is our place; (we will not follow you) till our Lord comes to us, and when our Lord comes to us, we will recognize Him. Then Allah will come to then in a shape they know and will say, "I am your Lord.' They will say, '(No doubt) You are our Lord,' and they will follow Him. .....


Do you deny that your prophet said that Allah will come to you Muslims in SHAPES?

Two Eyes (as the Dajjal has only one eye
One shin
Two right hands
Even Allah will put his FOOT over hell fire and it would scream.. enough.. enough!


Sahih al-Bukhari 6573
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Some people said, "O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! Shall we see our Lord on the Day of Resurrection?" .....
.' Then Allah will turn his face away from the Fire. The man will say after that, 'O Lord, bring me near the gate of Paradise.' Allah will say (to him),....

Do you deny that Allah will turn his FACE away from the fire of Hell?

Because, Allah has a Face. His face is only different from our face.


Sahih al-Bukhari 6573
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Some people said, "O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! Shall we see our Lord on the Day of Resurrection?"....

O Lord! Do not make me the most wretched of Your creation,' and will keep on invoking Allah till Allah will smile and when Allah will smile because of him, then He will allow him to enter Paradise, and when he will enter Paradise, he will be addressed, 'Wish from so-and-so.' He will wish till all his wishes will be fulfilled, then Allah will say, All this (i.e. what you have wished for) and as much again therewith are for you.' " Abu Huraira added: That man will be the last of the people of Paradise to enter (Paradise).


Do you deny that Allah smiles?

Smiling is a human attribute isn't it? Let me know of any other creature in heaven and non earth that smiles other than humans and probably the Jinn.

From what I know, smiling is a FACIAL expression involving the physical mouth.

Your prophet who knows Allah better that any Muslim seems to know that Allah looks very much like the Dajjal EXCEPT that, Allah has TWO eyes while the Dajjal has only one eyes: he this warms you not to be confused about the Dajjal when you see him


Mishkat al-Masabih 5485
`Ubada b. as-Samit reported God's messenger as saying, "I have told you so much about the dajjal that I am afraid you may not understand. The antichrist is short, hen-toed[*], woolly-haired, one-eyed, an eye sightless and neither protruding nor deep-seated. If you are confused about him, know that your Lord is not one-eyed."
*It may also mean 'bandy-legged.


So, you see:
A wish and the Truth may be very different!
Allah has a shape and he is NOT a spirit.
Don't forget that the Jinn also has bodies and they are not spirits (according to Islam: they are made of smokeless fire)

Ohyoudidnt:
No need to as my answer is in my earlier response.


Allah is fundamentally different from creation. He isn’t a physical body, isn’t limited by space, and isn’t bound by time. Yet, His knowledge, power, and will are present and effective everywhere.

You did NOT answer my question
Can Taoheed allow Allah to be simultaneously truely in two places at the same time? Does the Taoheed allow Allah to be Somewhere and Everywhere at the same time?

You said:

Allah is fundamentally different from creation. He isn’t a physical body, isn’t limited by space, and isn’t bound by time.

Yet, His knowledge, power, and will are present and effective everywhere. So yes, Allah can act on earth while being above the heavens, without being in two places like a creature, because nothing compares to Him (Qur'an 42:11).

But Allah has a Body
Allah indeed has hands (even if his hands are not like our hands)
Allah indeed has eyes (even if they are not like ours)
Allah indeed has a shin( even if it is different from ours)
In summary:
1. Allah has a shape
2. Allah is NOT a Spirit

If there is anything FALSE about any only claims, let me know

This shape of Allah sits on one throne that eight created goat like angels carry.

If Allah sits on created throne which is carried by created angels AND Allah is looking like created beings then Allah's nature would at best be like the nature of Angels and Jinn!





I didn't ask if Allah can ACT on earth while in Heaven. I asked if it was possible that
Allah to be simultaneously truely in two places at the same time? Does the Taoheed allow Allah to be Somewhere and Everywhere at the same time?
You did NOT answer my question sir. You answered about acting remotely not direct presence!


Please, with evidence!

Gabrielshow24:
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They just like to blame Paul, which by the way they affirm👀 as one of them. People caught on to their discrepancies hence the standard narrative of other books being corrupted. Till now, they haven't showed us one Jew that worshipped Ezra. 👀

Sorry!
I've been banned thrice for replying to this post of yours!

Ohyoudidnt:
Allah is the ultimate source of everything. He may create through various means, like how humans come up with inventions such as iPhones, but at the end of the day, He is the true Creator behind it all.

When the angels declared, We will destroy this place,they were acting as messengers on God’s behalf, not as independent forces; the destruction ultimately came from Yahweh. This aligns with the Qur'an, which teaches that while Jibril conveyed Allah’s words, he did not originate them.

In a similar vein, when Moses parted the sea by raising his hand, it was God who truly split the waters. There’s no contradiction here; it’s all about divine action through chosen agents.

Allah is fundamentally different from creation. He isn’t a physical body, isn’t limited by space, and isn’t bound by time. Yet, His knowledge, power, and will are present and effective everywhere. So yes, Allah can act on earth while being above the heavens, without being in two places like a creature, because nothing compares to Him (Qur'an 42:11).

Therefore, it’s misguided to mock the role of agents like angels in God’s plans or to impose human limitations on how the Creator operates. The consistent message in both the Bible and the Qur’an is clear: God commands, angels execute, but only God holds the true power.

It is good you answered your apparent initial confusion about who actually destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah.

Now
Can Taoheed allow Allah to be simultaneously truely in two places at the same time? Does the Taoheed allow Allah to be Somewhere and Everywhere at the same time?

It is a Yes or No answer!
If your answer is Yes and knowing that Allah is NOT a Spirit, give explanation with EVIDENCES!