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JayKayMaybachz:
✔ ✔ lemme tell you guys something, Rooney is a good player.. . A very good one especially when used at the cf role... switching him from role to role deteriorates his game play. .. I was watching his clips today.. . He scores world class goals compare some strikers sef.... If he's used primarily as a cf... With those creative players behind.. . Trust me... Rooney will surprise with goals atleast 25+

I am not saying he`s not a good player. I am only saying that he has no escuse to be dropping to the midfield or being used as a midfielder with all the midfielders we have right now.

Also, he has no reason not to excel in the striking position next season. I am also saying that he needs to raise his game because his performances when used as a CF last season wasn`t good enough as the usual escuse was that he always drop deep to help in the midfield.

I`m a Man Utd fan and i`ll always want him to perform because this will bring about the best of Man Utd.

Signing of Schweini and Schneiderlin brings to an end Rooney`s midfield role/escuses. There should be no more tracking back with all these midfielders.

It is either he excel in the striking department or..........

This will probably be the end to the regular quote by LVG about his captain.

I hope he raise his game

Rafael`s agent Cassiano Perreira says as far as his knowledge, Man Utd is discussing to sign Gaitan. Also on the table for Rafael is to move to Benfica.

Next is Morgan Schneiderlin.

Paddy Crerand on MUTV - "In the next few days you'll see why United are the biggest club in the world, Ed's in crazy mode"

Hope this is true.

i can`t just understand how some people are defending the indefensible.

The money belongs to three parties - Federal Government, State Government and Local Government.

How then is it right for GEJ to unilaterally order Minister of Finance to withdraw part of the money without the consent of the other parties (State and Local Govt)?

Where then is due process?

Can the President of the World Bank where she came from unilaterally order the release of money without the approval of the Board of Governors? NO.

Why then did she withdraw the money without advising the President on following due process?

The legality of the account is a different thing entirely because the state governments have been dragging the Federal govt to the Supreme Court over the illegality of the account since about three years or thereabout now. This simply shows that it is the Federal Government that is condoning illegality. On top of this, they are proposing to add another one in the name of Sovereign Wealth Fund.

I think Morgan Schneiderlin deal is a done deal.
Read that Man Utd Press Photographer just started following him on Twitter. He also did the same before Mata was signed.

elampiro:
Where is Ferdinand today? The same intensity training is what we have today under Gaal today. Weak bones would always complain.

What a question! You expect Ferdinand at 36yrs plus to still be playing top flight football. He retired at the normal age most defenders retires. At what age did Carragher and Gary Neville retired?

Fellaini that came with him must be a lazy bone as well after getting to Man Utd despite training under him for so many years. He didn't get his rhythm until a certain LVG came.

elampiro:

Can you show me where I said the above. The bolded?
When guys here lose argument, they change it to look as if they had a genuine point. I said our backroom staff mismanaged our players in Ferguson's last few years. Then starboard and co said I was blaming SAF. I stated categorically that I was pointing at the backroom staff, I even mentioned that possibly the change of assistance caused it. But they went back to say I blame Ferguson to get sympathy from readers like you.

And who was the head of the backroom staff? Even, blaming SAF backroom staff is indirectly blaming SAF because everything they did was done under his watch.

Why are people not giving credits to his backroom staff for the success he achieved throughout his career at Utd? Whatever his backroom staff did must have gotten his approval.

elampiro:
Obertan, bebe, etc never bossed games like Anderson and Cleverley did. [b]Cleverley was already a feared midfielder in 2008. In 2011 he had come of age. All of a sudden he couldnt come out of a three months injury half himself. We should questioned those who manage his return to fitness.

Looooooooooooooooooooooool!

Who feared Cleverley as a midfielder in 2008? When did he make his competitive debut for Man Utd? Where was Cleverley playing in 2008?

There's no point continuing this. Cleverley "already feared as a midfielder in 2008". I give up.

He had a reputation as a hands-on coach who pushed his players hard in training. According to Phil Neville, who played for Moyes at Everton, players sometimes ran so hard in preseason training that they vomited. “The Horse Shoe” was a Moyes preseason institution. Neville describes it as “a series of sharp runs that cover distances between 100 meters and 300 meters and there is barely any time to catch your breath in between. By the time you are on your eighth sprint, your legs feel like jelly and buckle, while your lungs are burning. The manager, meanwhile, simply laughs as you collapse.” Phil Neville

At a point Moyes himself agreed to have over-trained RVP.

What he did with Man Utd players was even tougher than what he used to do with Everton players according to Fellaini's comments.

elampiro:
Moyes did not destroy anything. Everton players are fitter than ours.

How are they fitter?

The defensive midfield problem has always been there since 2010/11 season i think and it's still there up till today.

Moyes destroyed everything at Utd. These are some of the player's comments:

Fellaini revealed: 'I have a problem with the intensity of the training because I am playing with big players. It is quicker than at Everton. But I am happy. I like the game and I like to play.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2422051/Marouane-Fellaini-admits-struggling-Manchester-United-intensity-training.html#ixzz3cNgKjhTO

He wrote: “Moyes’s innovations mostly led to negativity and confusion. The biggest confusion was over how he wanted us to move the ball forward. Some players felt they kicked the ball long more than at any time in their career.

“Sometimes our main tactic was the long, high, diagonal cross. It was embarrassing. In one home game against Fulham we had 81 crosses! I was thinking, why are we doing this? Andy Carroll doesn’t play for us!

“The whole approach was alien. Other times Moyes wanted lots of passing. He’d say: 'Today I want us to have 600 passes in the game. Last week it was only 400’. Who cares? I’d rather score five goals from 10 passes.”

Ferdinand said the former Everton manager brought the mentality of a small club to Old Trafford. The former England defender listed a series of gripes which he claimed demonstrated why Moyes was unsuitable to manage the country's most successful team.

Chief among these was Moyes' decision to ban the players' regular meal of low-fat chips the night before games. Ferdinand says that upon hearing of Moyes' sacking, another player's first reaction was to declare this an opportunity to have the chips restored.

Ferdinand also said the squad was "destabilised" by being asked by Moyes to take 10-minute team walks on the mornings of matches, and frustrated by Moyes ending Sir Alex Ferguson's tradition of playing a small-sided training matches on Fridays. Moyes instead wanted his players to play a two-touch match.

Ferdinand revealed he wanted to "scream and grab" Moyes after being told he would not feature against Munich, which he said was the lowest point of his United career and the moment when he realised his time at the club was coming to an end.

Ferdinand discloses details of a meeting with Moyes called to discuss defensive issues with Nemanja Vidic. Ferdinand said he and Vidic left the meeting exchanging baffled looks and asking each other in obscene language whether they had any idea what Moyes had been saying to them.

The player also speculated that Moyes did not have the management skills to cope with the size of the United squad, citing Javier Hernandez as a peripheral player who only became unhappy at United after Moyes took over. He claimed Moyes spent far too long concentrating on the qualities of opponents.

Ferdinand

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/11096067/Rio-Ferdinand-hits-out-at-David-Moyess-tactics-while-in-charge-of-Manchester-United.html

elampiro:
How many are still around?You didnt get the logic. Anderson, Nani, Cleverley, etc. Even the ones still around, everyone is shouting, bench them, bench them. Sell them bring new ones.


Moyes is long gone. Gaal has been around for a year plus now. Gaal is not even interested in such players like Nani, Rafael, Evans, Celverley. I doubt if he even wants Chicharito. You see these players just got weak.

LVG was appointed to bring a immediate turn around to the team. He was given a top four target after last season's dismal performance. No fan has that patience for hm to give those players a season's chance after what happened to them under Moyes coupled with the fact that he has his own football philosophy which doesn't suit some of the players.

Don't also forget that LVG had little time to asses all the players because of his world cup assignment coupled with the transfer window closure time.

elampiro:
What now happened to Anderson and Cleverley?

For Ando it was injury crisis. He has a long list of injury crisis from his days at Porto. It is only a fit player that can be in form.

For Cleverley, Moyes over-trained him and also affected him with his negative football. We can see that in his performances at Aston Villa this season.

Moyes destroyed a lot of our players with his hard training method and negative playing style that eroded their confidence. At a point Fellaini complained about the intensity of his training. That is a player that he brought from his former club who knew his training methods from Everton. That alone speaks a lot of over-training.

elampiro:
Four years after Mourniho left, Lampard, Terry, Mikel, Ashley Cole, Drogba, Maluoda, were beating all the teams in Europe and won the Champions league. Some other players like Alex, who left out of issues are still first team players for their clubs.

Two years after SAF left, all our players are going into early retirement. Many can't smell first team football in Man United.

Abeg, how else can one be lazy? Very clear.

Happy Sunday.

How many players retired? As far as i know it's only Scholes that retired then. Giggs was still a player-assistant coach. Vidic and Evra moved for their personal reasons.

I can even tell you that the whole team was over-trained by Moyes and this affected a lot of younger players.

elampiro:
We had a change of hands in the assistant coach. So the style and system would automatically change. The result might be that the players muscles will be getting weak year in year out if the training became too soft. I wouldnt also know if there were other changes in medical team as to affect players fitness when coming out of injuries.

In 2007/8 we won many games 1-0, 2-1. But we dominated those games such that the oppositions only played to reduce the goals they came to concede. Most times we went in front first. This is different from when a middle table team dominate us and we only got away with our superior ability to create a clear cut chance or superiority in finishing a chance.

Changing of assistant coach doesn't necessarily means that SAF will then will change his training system/methods. The new assistant coach will still have to plan his coaching sessions according to the cub's established standards.

Not dominating games wasn't training method's problem. Rather, it was a personnel problem. It was the usual midfield problem that's still affecting the club till today. The players who were supposed to take over from Scholes didn't live up to expectations.

I could remember at the start of the 2010/11 season when Ando and Cleverly were on fire before they faced some injury crises, this issue of not dominating wasn't there.

Different coaches with different training system/methods. As far as i understand, no coach will ever drop his training standard because that is a recipe for failure. So also, no coach will condone laziness by any of his players.

Why will a coach change training system/methods that is giving him results? There can only be modifications here and there.

It is only normal for a new coach to change what he met at a club if it doesn't align with his own training methods and that doesn't mean the previous coach's method was not up to standard.

Winning some games by 1 goal margin doesn't mean the team was lazy. Man Utd are used to winning that way. What about Chelsea winning this season with about eleven games with one goal margin? Does that mean they too are lazy?

coogar:
truth be told....he's a very good midfielder. if he can stay fit, he would be a wonderful asset in our midfield. as fans, we tend to underrate any player moving from a PL club to man utd. if this dude plays for PSG, bayern or juventus, we would be screaming for his signature.

he's better than kondogbia in my opinion & i would give hands & knees for sign kondogbia. if we cannot get any of pogba or vidal, any of schneiderlin or alex song is perfectly fine by me.

I also think that guy Schneiderlin is a good DM and i`ll like us to have him straight away.

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coogar:
nigerian customers failed HITV or i should say HITV didn't do their homework very well. they are new to the terrain and that was why they failed. the truth is 90% of people who subscribe for sky or HITV do it because of football.

when the football season ends, a lot of people stop paying - HITV should have taken this into the equation with a proper scheme to address this downtime. between may & august, i was told about 5% of their customers paid their monthly subscription - they didn't have enough in their reserve to fill the gap & their business collapsed!

The owner failed himself by living frivolously despite having huge debts to service.

coogar:
you have to feel sorry for elampiro's intelligence. SAF is hiding rooney from gerrard is the most ridiculous excuse i have ever seen to defend rooney.

Of course Gerrard has Rooney's remote control nah.

parrotibaba:
If elampiro tells u dat it's raining u better come out n check for ur self ...dis is d same guy dat told us here dat Rooney was a winger for most of his united career barely 4 months ago!!! n now his preaching another Bible here ,dat Rooney has been our number 10 for much of his career ...next 4 months he will still come here n say dat Rooney was our number 4 for most of his career at united ...I wonder if Rooney's boot is far up ur a$$ dat u r coughing dust, u can't even argue right ...yarning crap all over d thread

That's what reading articles after football matches does to someone. If he finds some articles that says Rooney has been playing as numbers 4 for some seasons now he will definitely change gear.

No sensible person will rely more on a one man website (Zonal Marking) than one of the largest detailed football statistics website in Europe. But if he sees anything that will aid his argument some other day on the same whoscored, he'll hold on to it strongly.

The most surprising thing is that EPL has held two awards in the history of EPL. The first decade and the second decade award held in 2003 and 2012 respectively. To my surprise elampiro's best number 10 in premier league since he started playing is no where to be found in any. Is that not ridiculous?

As at the 2012 Rooney was already 7yrs at utd and according to elampiro he has played number 10 6yrs for Utd but he didn't make it to both the votes by a panel and the public, but Vidic that came in 2006 made it to one.

The best number 10 indeed!

elampiro:
You are the one telling lies. I stated that Zonal Marking states if it's 4-4-1-1. They have more 4-4-1-1 and even said United played 4-4-1-1 2011/2012 season.

See below too: I may have to fetch more later.

That's what i said that if it's 4 4 1 1 they'll state it. They stated specifically that it's 4 4 1 1. But what you do is that you always choose the ones that aids your arguments.

What about these two from Zonal Marking?

Chelsea 2-1 Man Utd: second half turnaround
March 1, 2011

A game of two halves – Frank Lampard’s penalty gave Chelsea the three points.

Carlo Ancelotti continued to leave Didier Drogba on the bench, favouring Nicolas Anelka and Fernando Torres. David Luiz started at the back. The rest of the side was as expected.

Sir Alex Ferguson named an unchanged side for the first time in over two years, so Dimitar Berbatov was on the bench once again.
Both sides played 4-4-2, and the game was open and exciting throughout – generally fast-paced and with lots of clear individual battles across the pitch.

Liverpool 3-1 Manchester United: Kuyt x 3
March 6, 2011

Dirk Kuyt scored all three goals in a comfortable victory for Liverpool.

Andy Carroll was fit enough only for the bench, so Kuyt and Luis Suarez played upfront. Daniel Agger was out, and Kenny Dalglish moved to four at the back, after last weekend’s poor performance with a back three at West Ham.

Sir Alex Ferguson surprisingly named a 4-4-2 shape. Darren Fletcher dropped to the bench, Ryan Giggs came in and Nani switched flanks. Wes Brown replaced the suspended Nemanja Vidic............................

Indeed, United’s shape didn’t work as a whole. With Suarez playing in a deep role, Liverpool found it too easy to manoeuvre the ball through midfield towards their forwards. When Scholes and Carrick dropped deeper, they opened up space for Lucas and Gerrard. Until this week, Ferguson has been extremely committed to using 4-5-1 in ‘big’ games – it’s surprising that he has used 4-4-2 in two of his toughest away fixtures of the season

The same Zonal Marking made those comments without mentioning 4 4 1 1. Zonal marking cannot know more than whoscored.

I don't know why i'll trust Zonal Marking which is a one-man's work more than whoscored that has so many feeds from a lot of experts and and is computer based.

elampiro:
Zonal Marking tells you when it's 4-4-1-1 and when it's 4-4-2. It tells when it's 4-4-1-1 but looking like a 4-4-2 (twish) Look at the matches one after the other.

That is a FAT lie. From what i've read on Zonal Marking, it'll simply state if it is 4 4 1 1 or 4 4 2 2.

This was essentially a very simple game – two fairly standard 4-4-2s doing battle. Manchester United’s problems in the centre of midfield can be considered on a wider scale, but this match primarily came down to two factors.

That game was also similar in terms of being 4-4-2 v 4-4-2, and the formations, whilst not a crucial factor, were of importance – it meant Newcastle could close down United in midfield without fear of being passed around. It’s far easier to press 2 v 2 than 2 v 3. A lot of balls were won in standard defensive midfield positions, but there was also a willingness to press higher up.

Those comments are also from Zonal Markings.

I don't rely much on what Zonal Markings says over football tactics and formations over whoscored. Zonal markings only pick matches that they like. Unlike whoscored that analyse all matches throughout the season.

I only went to Zonal Markings to pick all those formations because you've always been mentioning them as if they are the almighty of tactics and formation analysis.

elampiro:
These shows Rooney in the number 10. Is is not playing on same line as Hernadez or Welbeck or Bebertov.

If one player is behind another, it's no longer 4-4-2. Moreso, even Association Football stated that there is no much difference between 4-4-2 and 4-4-1-1. I dont know why you guys going back and forth just because Rooney MUST be brought down.

So do you want to say Sir Alex Ferguson was lying?

elampiro:
These are all 4-4-1-1.

Even when your Almighty Zonal Marking's comments said they are 4 4 2? SMH

This is one of Zonal Marking's comments:

City crafted a clever first half advantage over United, then were rampant after half time.

Sir Alex Ferguson went with the 4-4-2ish shape he’s favoured this season (but moved away from last weekend at Liverpool). There was no Nemanja Vidic, nor Phil Jones at the back. Danny Welbeck was alongside Wayne Rooney.

This comment was made as at January 2012
Maybe Zonal Markings is no longer reliable.

Remaining ones i have for you from your Zonal Marking. Where will ever be a number 10 in a 4 4 2 flat formation?

Most of these are for 2011/12 season. The almighty Zonal Markings only picked selected matches.

elampiro:
According to Zonal Marking, this was the most formation used by United under Ferguson. I can go fetch charts after charts to back up.

Mtchewwww. Who do I listen to, whoscored which said Kgawa was in the hole instead of wing or Ferguson who coached Rooney?

Rooney is the best number 10 of his generation.

Even your almighty Zonal Marking is telling us something different from what you have been telling us. You choose Zonal Markings formation that suits you but left out those that confirms what we have been saying that the most formation used by SAF throughout his era is 4 4 2 flat.
I would have brought out so many others, only that the formations are not there.

Are these also 4411?

I know you will always have excuses or find a way to twist it.

elampiro:
I have told you what SAF and Rooney said verbatim, but you chose to believe your imagination. I have actually been avoiding bringing articles written by pundits, I stuck with what the coach and players said. Even you agreed at least to a supposrt striker which is still number 10 in association football.

Now I even have seen an article written by ANDY COLE. He says Ferguson switched his system from 4-4-2 to 4-5-1 in 2001. He said the idea was to make United have more possession and create more chances for the lone striker.

You are the one imagining. There are facts to support what i've said. You don't expect me to believe what pundits said over the facts that are on ground.

What SAF said doesn't mean that he played Rooney behind the striker all the time. He would have said that about Jones if any issue came up about defensive midfield or right back.

Rooney wanted to leave Man Utd because he was being used as a number 10 in SAF's last season. He said he wanted to play in the center forward position.

Those are the facts from whoscored. I deliberately omitted that of 2009/2010 because you already accepted that he was our top striker then. In 2010/11 4411 formation was used four times, 2011/12 two times, 2012/2013 three times.

You will also see that in SAF's last season, he changed the formation totally and adopted 4231 where Rooney played as a number 10 mostly in that season and that was the reason he said he wanted to leave.

This is my last response on this issue.

elampiro:
Yes, I even saw the article that said SAF adapted his 4-4-2 formation in the 1990s to 4-4-1-1 and 4-3-3 on Jose Mourinho's arrival to the EPL..


I beg make I sleep. I don tire finish. This argument get demon attached.

Did SAF write the article? Rooney have always played alongside another striker in 4 4 2 formation. Man Utd hardly play 4 4 1 1 formation. The facts are there on whoscored site. They keep records of how each team plays seasons in seasons out.

I can't rely on articles written by some journo when there are site that gathers these facts every season.

elampiro:
No SAF played 4-4-1-1. Once a striker dropped behind. SAF said Rooney played behind a striker. So what are you still arguing?

Rooney never played on same line with others.

Are you sure about this? So, you are telling me that SAF played mainly 4 4 1 1 system throughout his era.