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elampiro2:
"I understand that people were surprised that I refused to extend my contract with Manchester United," Pogba told L'Equipe. "But Manchester United and Juventus are the same - they are two great clubs.

"There were things which we [Pogba and Manchester United] did not agree on but I don’t regret anything. I learned a lot there.

"The coach [Ferguson] trusted me, but he didn't play me, he said I was too young. He told me 'Your time will come', but it didn’t come. Despite the fact that he is the boss, my goal was to play.

"He said I disrespected him. I do not know why he said that. A 19-year-old who says no [to him], maybe he was stuck. But for me, it will not change anything. This is not to say that I will speak ill of Manchester. I love this club.

- Pogba.

This confirms it. He left because SAF didn't play him despite promising him playing time.

Boss set to promote Pogba

Sir Alex has revealed he is promoting Paul Pogba to the first-team squad after being impressed with the FA Youth Cup-winning midfielder.

The 18-year-old Frenchman replaced Paul Scholes in the Reds legend's testimonial against New York Cosmos and is in the manager's thoughts ahead of the new season. The youngsters at Old Trafford have ensured the manager is in a relaxed mood about his squad ahead of the transfer window closing at the end of the month.

"We've got Darren Fletcher to come back," explained Sir Alex. "Michael Carrick, who tends to develop more around November/December. And we’ve got a young boy Pogba who's showing great promise for us. He came on in a couple of games in terms of progress with the youth team, we’re quite positive about him.

"I mean if we hold Pogba back, what’s going to happen? He’s going to leave.

You know, in a couple of years’ time when his contract is going to finish. So we have to give him the opportunity to see how he can do in the first-team and he’s got great ability, plus he’s got the physique and athleticism.

"He is a possibility so, when you take that roll call of players you know, I’m certainly not looking to add anybody. I’ve been saying that for weeks, but you’ve all been writing differently, you’ve all been writing about how I’m going to buy this one, I’m going to buy that one but we’ve said nothing, I’m carrying on with business."

When asked directly if everybody can forget about Wesley Sneijder arriving from Inter Milan, he replied: "You can forget about anyone you like! I’m happy with the young players we’ve got."

In terms of whether the likes of Tom Cleverley, Pogba, and possibly Ravel Morrison and Ryan Tunnicliffe, when he returns from Peterborough, can push the existing first-team midfielders, the manager is realistic about the situation.

Source: http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2011/Aug/ferguson-to-promote-pogba.aspx

This is my last post on this. I'm not here for a long-drawn argument.

Good night.

elampiro2:
How to know when a player is ready. The competitors around just give up. The coach is happy to throw you into games.




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Gary Neville gives approval to successor Rafael

Wednesday 09 February 2011

Gary Neville is convinced his coveted right-back role at Manchester United is in safe hands.

Neville announced his retirement from the game last week after finally admitting defeat in his battle with injury.

What has this got to do with what we are saying? Okay, that's the reason why he was played in the midfield when Pogba was on the bench.

elampiro2:
Provide evidence.

What evidence? Evidence of his performances when he won U18 FA Cup or what?

SAF said he was going to be promoted that season. Then SAF actually promoted him. Then SAF tested him with some matches and he wasn't convinced he was ready to take the risk of starting him.

I thought you said SAF never promised him. So you now agree that he was promised. Thank God for that.

Anderson and Cleverley were in our midfield in the preseason when we beat Barca. We started the season with these two guys and they were part of the team which gave us the best start to a season as far as my memory can remember. Then Carrick and Fletcher took over before Giggs joined.

The team that beat Barca: De Gea; Rafael (Fabio, 17), Vidic, (Jones, 76) Evans, Evra (Smalling, ht); Nani, Cleverley, Anderson (Giggs, ht), Young (Obertan, 62); Rooney (Owen, ht), Welbeck (Diouf, 77). Subs not used: Lindegaard, Amos, Jones, Ferdinand, Carrick, Park, Berbatov, Macheda.

Yeah, i am not disputing the fact that Anderson and Cleverly were blazing during preseason and the start of the season. When injuries set in for the duo and Fletcher, why didn't SAF call on Pogba instead of playing Giggs, Rafael and Park in the midfield.

Or are these not the same players that injuries ruin their season then? For you to even include Fletcher who had Ulcerative Colitus then and only played 644 mins because of injury shows that you really watched our matches in your big sitting room. Anderson 690 mins and Cleverley 433 mins. The trio of your good midfielders couldn't even muster 2000 mins because of one injury or the other. Whereas Pogba was sitting on the bench without even starting a match.

It's funny that you count them to be our main midfielders in that season.

You must have forgotten what was at stake at the time to be promoting a rookie with the benefit of hindsight. Pogba had his chance but he didnt convince the manager that he was ready. That was my judgement too.

That's your judgement. You are entitled to that. SAF didn't trust him enough despite promising him some game time. That's a big mistake by him. The risk that he could not take, Juve took it and they are enjoying it now. Where's our midfield now?

Park, Fabio and Rafael had won us matches before playing out of position. They even beat Arsenal. SAF played tested players.

That doesn't make it right. Playing players out of position is not good when you have a proper player for that position. We all saw how playing players out of positions affected us last season and at the beginning of this season.

elampiro2:
Kemizee and Tess1, can you people beat you chest that you called for Pogba to be started in games ahead of Scholes, Carrick, Giggs, Cleverley and Anderson in our title chase of 2011/2012? If you wrote such anywhere, provide the evidence or forever remain silent.

I think I had to quit this now.

Read my response up there.

Yes i was expecting his integration in 2011/12 after seeing him in the U18 FA Cup competition. SAF also said that he'll be playing him. Scholes retired in the previous season. Cleverley just came back from loan at Wigan and Anderson was Injury prone. He should have give him some matches to start. Nobody is saying he should play even half of he match. If he had started about ten matches out of all the matches we played in that season, i'm sure he wouldn't have left.

He can not be so worse not to have played against Blackburn where a RB Rafael was preferred in the midfield. Can he be that bad?

elampiro2:
SAF did the right thing. SAF was trying to win the carling cup again after many years of failure. Cleverley did not even get this rapid promotion while coming up.

The bold is not right. We only missed the Cup in the previous season (2010/11). We won it consecutively for two seasons which was 2008/09 and 2009/10. How could missing the cup just a year now be after many years of failure..

Ferguson also preferred using the Carling Cup to ease the reserve team members into the first team. Why didn't he do the same for Pogba?

Also, as at that time it was only Liverpool and Aston Villa that have won the cup more than Man Utd.

Do you want to compare the qualities exhibited by Pogba to that of Cleverley as at the age? Don't even go there.

elampiro2:
Our midfield was far superior than Juventus midfield at the time. It was a midfield that played 3 UCL finals in 4 years beating AC Milan and Inter Milan which were far superior to Juventus in that period. The midfield that had won the EPL 4 times in 5years.

Hahahaha! What an amusing statement! Carrick- 30yrs was the only midfielder of note in that season. Our Midfield was so superior that SAF had to call Scholes (37) who was more erratic in his tackling out of retirement. Giggs (38) at that time was a converted midfielder. You are now telling us that that midfield was better than a midfield of Pirlo - 32, Vidal, Marchisio? You must be joking.

Do you even know that that year was the final end to our solid midfield. How many trophies have we won since the 2011/12 season?

Secondly when did Pogba ask for abit more playing time? Give link and date to analyze the fixtures at the time. The Pogba I watched in my City room large screen TV was not ready. No be view Centre stretch neck. At the time HITV and DSTV shared fixtures I subscribed for both just to see all United matches. This not what I read about Pogba, his game was amateur compared to what others served.

Pele o, baba olowo ti o nfi ori maluu mu oti. So you believe that you are the only one that can afford to subscribe to HITV and DSTV to watch football matches in your Sitting room with large screen TV but not at viewing centre.

Even at that, does it now mean that when players score or dribble on your large screen, it will show that there were no goals and dribbles at viewing centre.

Pogba wasn't ready but he left the club at the end of the season. Four months later, he started and completed a full 90mins for Juventus. He went ahead to have 18 start and 27 apps for Juventus in that season and scored five goals. What miracle did Juve did to him?

Can you vouch for SAF that he'll start playing him regularly if he had stayed at OT?

If you truly watched him objectively during the previous season when he won the U18 FA Cup, you won't be talking this.

In fact i can say that SAF deliberately because he knew and said it that if he doesn't give him playing time he'd go.

Kemizee:
You mean the same Pogba that literally walked and earned a permanent position in a midfield that was infinitely better than ours?A midfield comprising of Marchisio,Vidal and the legendary Pirlo.The same Pogba who is still a mainstay in that midfield till today.Not ready indeed!!

Sir Alex was a human being and made mistakes.He made a mistake with Pogba.You are talking about a player who cud not get game time in a shit midfield that comprised of the likes of Park,Fabio,Gibson,O Shea and an old and out of retirement Paul scholes brought back by Ferguson.
How was he not ready for Christ's sake?

All Pogba asked for was a bit more playing time and 40 thousand pounds(which is even toooo small wen u consider the obscene wages we pay shithouses like fellaini,young and your beloved Valencia.I dnt care wat Fergie did.He was wrong abt Pogba and deep down,u knw it evn tho u may want to deny so

Exactly my points. SAF was dead wrong about Pogba. I know whenever SAF watches him play, he`ll always be annoyed with himself for not trusting him.

elampiro2:
[b]Now, let's even examine all Pogba's 7 games in the season he complained and left. What influence did he even have in the games?

Paul Pogba games in 2011/2012
1. CARLING CUP Tuesday 20 Sept 2011
Leeds 0 - 3 Man Utd........ He came on at 46 mins for Giggs when score was already 3-0.

2. CARLING CUP Tuesday 25 Oct 2011
Aldershot 0 - 3 Man Utd........ He came on at 60th minute for Cleverly when score was already at 3-0. Cleverly and Park played in midfield. Morrison came on for Diouf at 70th minute.

3. CARLING CUP Wednesday 30 Nov 2011
Man Utd 1 - 2 C Palace........ Pogba came on for Rafael at 76 minutes when score was 0-0. A minute later Palace scored us. He was the last substitute. Morrison came on for Berbatov at 46 minutes.

4. ENGLISH PREMIER Tuesday 31 Jan 2012
Man Utd 2 - 0 Stoke ...... Pogba came on for Hernadez at 73 minutes when score was 2-0. He was the only substitute in. Fabio, Radael, Giggs, Welbeck were on the bench.

5. ENGLISH PREMIER Sunday 11 Mar 2012
Man Utd 2 - 0 West Brom..... He came on for Scholes at 73 minutes when score was at already 2-0. Rafael, Giggs, Park and Berbatov were all unused substitutes.

6. EUROPA LEAGUE Thursday 15 Mar 2012
Ath Bilbao 2 - 1 Man Utd....... He went in for Carrick t 63 minutes when United trailed by 0-1. Scholes, Chicha and Fabio were unused substitutes.

7. ENGLISH PREMIER Sunday 18 Mar 2012
RESULT
Wolves 0 -5 Man.......... Pogba came on for Carrrick at 57 minutes when score stood at 4-0. Young, Park and Giggs were unused substitutes.



Any one who after reviewing the above info and still criticize SAF is an Ekwe Sample. Pogba knew for sure SAF was bringing him gradually into the first team even when he was not productive at the time. We should not forget also that 2011/2012 was a very hard two horse race where the best players needed to feature.
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I reviewed all our matches after the 5-0 win over Wolves, the substitutions and the circumstances. I beg Pogba didnt stand any chance with the quality and calibre of players who needed to be introduced to try and win matches.

The very next match Scholes, Cleverley, Berbatov and Hernadez were on the bench in our 1-0 win over Fulham. Giggs and Carrick played the match.

This doesn't prove anything other than eroding one's confidence. SAF couldn't even start him in any of the Carling Cup you listed there. All the guy needed at that time was a regular starting shirt to build his confidence.

It is simple, SAF made a mistake in his judgement about Pogba and made us lose the guy.

SailorXY:
well said, although your spacing can be better
the long & short is that our strikers failed this season. a clear out & replacement of the frontline won't be a surprise if we are to compete in the business end of all competitions next season.

Falcao & RvP can be allowed to go, even Rooney is not a world class CF anymore.
we can sign Lacasera & return Hernandez, should be enough for next season since we need only one to start per game.

I don't think LVG is ready to take back Hernandez.

Chicharito is busy scoring for Real Madrid.

I hope LVG retains him and lets Falcao go back to Monaco.

chrisley024:
Evans is poor but a better CB than this McNair. The lad lacks the attributes of a CB(think he's better suited for a midfielder). Shaw the same

4 games remaining. We should try get 6 points for top 4, end the season, make clear out of players, buy and prepare for the next.

Hope Carrick and any of Jones/Rojo return for next game.

The whole team was just too lethargic. We also need a proper right back.

dealslip:
Dele Alake don tey o. He almost singlehandedly ruined Tinubu's tenure as Governor, he was revealing too many damning information about Tinubu that almost crippled him.

Mistaken identity. You mean Dele Akele who was the Governoship candidate for NCP.

Dele Alake is one of Jagaban`s trusted guys.

coogar:
we knew this was what he would do as at last week. an early goal from us would have destroyed his plan - with him needing to make an early sub but it's our fault we didn't capitalise in that first 15 mins when we had them by the throat.

he just said in his post match interview that he doesn't care about the possession of the purity even if it's 1% possession they have. it's all about the 3 points and the players who could have made the difference for us today decided to get crocked.

He can afford to say he doesn't care about possession now. Last December when Newcastle did the same parking the bus against him and beat him he said only one team came to play.

I am so proud of the the lads except for Falcao to have played like this despite missing four key players. And all that Mourinho could still do was to come into the game parking the bus.

Falcao was a short one. Though we didn't have a choice but he should have risked him for the last 20 - 15 minutes.

Januzaj should be loaned out if they want him to improve his game. He's not on the same level as last season and that's because he's not playing regularly.

Blacket isn't good as a left back.

Missing four key players against Chelsea at Stamford bridge was going to be a difficult task. The positive thing to me is that this possession football philosophy has come to stay with all our players. We couldn't just use it to hurt Chelsea because Falcao played upfront.

Thanks for all the enquiries. Keep them coming

Odunharry:
I should actually... I have been screaming Herrera and Mata for ages..
lol

Likewise. This run of games for Herrera is now bringing back the confidence we saw in him at the beginning of the season.
Also, all this while, LVG was just wasting Mata on the bench since January.
Our game is now totally different with the calmness we now have in possession.
Fellaini`s game has really improved. He makes it difficult for opposition to know how they are going to counter our game.
It`s great that we now know our best eleven with good balance.

It has now showed that Di Maria is part of this teams problem. Thank God that he didn`t start.
His play puts the team under a lot pressure when he loses possession with his runs. His play affected us in the second half.
LVG should now know that this is his best starting eleven.

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The guys did a very good job. Good that Jones recovered from his early jitters.
It`s always better playing Rooney as a striker than in the midfield. He`s now scoring regularly.
Spurs didn`t just know what hit them. Our game made them look mediocre.
Next is Liverpool. We need to win there to get them off our back.

Jones have started.

I`m not really confident with this back four.

Hahahaha! This is very funny. People Deceiving People should keep on deceiving its people with the a stale news.
The event that happened in December 2014 is being brought out to deceive people as if it`s a new news.
This particular event was widely reported in the media on the 24th December, 2014., that`s about three months ago.

You people are now using it to score a cheap political gain. Keep on deceiving yourselves.

www.vanguardngr.com/2014/12/3-000-apc-members-defect-pdp-lagos/

Read for yourselves and see the date.

Calm down nah

LVG lost us that game yesterday with his half time subs. Bringing in Carrick finally slowed down our game. Why remove Shaw? Unless he wants to tell us that he was injured. We were containing them before he made those changes.

What he needed to tell them at half time was for them to be compact and help one another out in defensive duties and to improve on their games in the second half.

I don't know what got into Valencia's head last night for him to be leaving his position and taking an unnecessary infield runs. Did he forgot that he was being used as a fullback? He also caused the first goal because he chose to be at the central defence where three or four other players were instead of him being at his position at the right full back.

LVG is now becoming more of the problem to this team. I have been saying it and will keep on saying it that playing Fellaini in the hole doesn't make any footballing sense at all when we have Mata always sitting down on the bench. For crying out loud Fellaini can and will never be a better no 10 than Mata.

I find it difficult to understand the type of possession philosophy we are playing with Fellaini in the hole. Fellaini should always be brought on when things are not going on well for tactical reasons. Playing Fellaini in the hole is contradictory to playing possession football because those incisive forward passes will never be there.

I have been noticing that something has changed in Herrera's game in his past few games. His passes are no longer risk-taken through passes in the opposition's final third. The kind of passes he made during preseason and the beginning of the season are no longer there. At times when he has the chance to move forward with the ball or make a through forward pass, he will hesitate then look to his side to make sideways pass.Could it be that LVG has instructed him to always pass it safe and not taking those risks? Could that be the same reason why Mata is being benched? So many questions begging for answers from LVG.

He may not play Herrera again for a long time. I doubt if we will finish top four with the way LVG is tinkering with this team. Every game of the remaining 10 games in the league is like a final.

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chrisley024:
Where is Shaw or do players get dropped after a good game like Smalling was

Evans in that back is going to be a liability. Not comfortable seeing him there.

Rexyl:
Asking question as if you don't know interests of people are divided and presently the houses are mostly concerned about securing posts or making efforts to be relevant. If the report was thrown away, the struggle for better future will continue for years.

Exactly my point. That shows unseriousness on the part of Pres. GEJ. That report was submitted to him since July 2014. Why not make a copy of the Original copy and send it to the assembly? Then, if they don`t work on it before they go, you re-present to the incoming assembly after they are inaugurated if he`s really serious about the implementation rather than waiting for now to now be using that as a tool for us to seek our support.

If he had presented it to the assembly since July 2014 and the members failed to work on it, we would`ve known that isn`t his fault but that of assembly members. But he felt they should first doctor it before sending it to them.

Rexyl:
You just expressed conflicts of interest and the needs to make a choice among all odds. Apc or Pdp, all the leaders are found wanting one way or the other. No one of them has a clean record, but we must just conclude and make a choice. For every choice made there must be reason.

This is not a conflict of interest neither am i saying that APC is "clean" as you have said.

I am only giving my vote to perfomance like i`ve said in my earlier post.

What you are relying on is a mere promise by GEJ. How do you expect me to trust a man who promised in 2011 to fix elecyricity problem within 4years but failed to live up to his promise? He also said that if he couldn`t fix the problem within four years, he would not be able to fix it even if he spend 100yrs. To even think that he had first hand information of the electricity problem shows that he can`t fix it. He`s already spent 2yrs on the job as at then.

How then do you expect me to trust him that he`ll implement the report? Come to think of it, the doctored report will still go to the National Assembly before it can become law. What if it gets there and the Assembly members think otherwise? He`ll then be blaming the Assembly members.

This is the time for me to hold GEJ to his earlier promise on electricity in 2011. This will serve as a hard lessons to all politician if he`s voted out that we are no fools.

What if he`s voted in and he decides not to even send the doctored report to the National Assembly? How will we hold him responsible for his failure considering the fact that that will be his last term?

The time can never be right than now to let them know that we are no fools.

Rexyl:
If I may ask you, do you think apc has good plan for this country when the party asked all it's members to pull out of the national conference which members were drawn from all parties, numerous groups and associations deeply concerned about the way forward?

Yes, they have good plans and we can see that in the state they are controlling right now.

The pull out of the CONFAB because it`s waste of money and time. We`ve had some in the past with them not seeing the light of the day at the end.

There was no sincerity behind this as well. Otherwise, what was the reason for raising another presidential conmittee to study the report and recommend the implementations of the report since July 2014? Why didn`t he pass the report directly to the National Assembly to do that if he meant well for the report?

He`s now using that to campaign for votes in the South West. Why is he not using that to campaign for votes in other region? Or is it that it is only South West that is going to benefit from the Report?

Afenifere are only fighting for their pockets not for Yoruba race.