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elampiro:
You dont know what you are saying. Admission works sepatately in Civil case from criminal case. However, in both it's only a process to reaching a judgement.

It is you who doesn't know what you are saying. I can see that you are now researching despite the fact that you claim to go to court regularly. Elampiro, apart from giving evidences on behalf of your bank which doesn't entail much than just give evidences and go. Have you ever been sued or sued somebody in a case that starts from Magistrate court to High court up to Appeal Court with you taking up the financial responsibilities?

You are just buttressing my correction of you saying In Civil case, there is an admission. Evidence is heavier than Admission and Confession..

You couldn't differentiate between admission and evidence. Admitting to a fact is like an evidence so also is confession an evidence.

I posted this:

tess1:

Hehehe!!! See elampiro who knows a lot about law.

It is even worse for you to use Admission and Confession in the same context. They don`t mean the same neither do they relate in any way. Confession is an acknowledgement of guilt in a criminal case while admission is an acceptance/acknowledgement of facts.
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Admission on its own is a form of evidence in both civil and criminal case. Rooney just admitted to the facts provided by Opta and whiscored that he lead Man Utd`s attack in 2011/12. Tell us how you are going to tell a judge that he lied against himself. Also tell us what you are going to tell the judge that you did not lie against him.

You then posted this:

In Criminal case, Admission are acknowledgement of facts, not even an acknowledgement of guilt. Confession is what acknowledges guilt. Even at this, evidence has more power.

In Civil case Admissions are only a part of a discovery process.

Who now doesn't know what he's saying? You are just confirming what i've posted after doing your research without comprehending what posted. Who is even arguing with you that Admission is an acknowledgement of guilt for you to put not even?

If Rooney says he plays as a lone striker, and the evidence suggest otherwise. Rooney will lose the judgement. This is because there will be other questions asking (a) What formation played? (b) Where did Hernandez play? (c) Where did Welbeck play? (d) How many matches did you play with Hernandez? (e) In you interview of June 2012 You priased Welbeck in an interview for playing so well as the lead striker for England just as he played in front of you for Man United. (f) Are you aware clips of all matches are documented?

You have not seen anything. When you get to court, your responses will be tested with the evidence supplied and cross examinations.

Even in criminal case where statements are admission to guilt, evidence and other curcustances that come up during the case will rubbish the statement.

You evidence also has to pass to be admitted as exhibit. Who no go no know. This is no theory.

What evidence will suggest otherwise? Zonal Marking? Lol. The only facts they will accept are stats from recognized football data company which includes opta not ZM which is not recognized by anybody other than you. Facts presented by them will be certified by their officials since they are World Leading Sports Data Company.
It is what Rooney did on the pitch that matters which was capture in their data and well interpreted.

codedguy1:
ZM is elampiro's story and he is sticking to it no matter what.

No judge, Rooney, SAF or anyone in here will make him change his story.

ZM is the most reliable chart blog to him. For him to even say Rooney lied against himself is even ridiculous.

elampiro:
In Civil case, there is an admission. Evidence is heavier than Admission and Confession.

Anyone you want to tow.

Hehehe!!! See elampiro who knows a lot about law.

It is even worse for you to use Admission and Confession in the same context. They don`t mean the same neither do they relate in any way. Confession is an acknowledgement of guilt in a criminal case while admission is an acceptance/acknowledgement of facts.

Admission on its own is a form of evidence in both civil and criminal case. Rooney just admitted to the facts provided by Opta and whiscored that he lead Man Utd`s attack in 2011/12. Tell us how you are going to tell a judge that he lied against himself. Also tell us what you are going to tell the judge that you did not lie against him.

elampiro:
Then you have not been to a court before to hear cases. Very clear from your writing. Evidence carries more weight than even a confessional statement.

Someone can lie on himself to save a loved one. But evidence when black cannot be called white.

Lol.

Hear elampiro who have been going to courts to hear cases mentioning "confessional statement" in an issue that can never be a criminal case.

Confessional statement only applies to criminal cases. This can only lead to a civil case because he's is the one that can take you up on this that you are lying against him.

In this scenario, Rooney said he played as our lead striker in 2011/12 as against you saying that he played as a number 10. If Rooney takes you to the law court that you are lying against him. Where does your "confessional statement" come in? If Rooney says he played as our lead striker and backs it up with Opta and whoscored stats. How are you going to prove to the judge that his "confessional statement" is wrong or that he's lying against himself?

elampiro:
Tess1, the above is from our very old argument. You write as if Rooney and Chicharito were alternate strikers. You are wrong.

Rooney played virtually all matches Chicharito played. Which means Rooney was not the reason Chicha was on the bench. Welbeck and Chicha were the alternate strikers.

Rooney kept his position behind them. I have seen commentaries of 2011 stating concern on who was better as a striker between Welbeck and Chicha. As we go along, I will be producing these materials.

I am not going to be drawn into an old argument.

Rooney has spoken. I, like any sensible person will rather believe what Rooney said than believe whatever you are putting up in your defense of his position in the team.

It is Rooney's words against yours. And in a law court, Rooney's statement has more substance than yours even if you are his solicitor.

Like i said earlier, he has put an end to that argument.

elampiro:
You said in January 2014 that Chicha played in front of Rooney. Why are you changing MOUTH now?

So now you are saying Chicha who always isolated himself upfront from the other players, was our number 10? U try.

Welbeck was surely in front of Rooney. Zonal Marking has never got its players formation /position in wrong.

Who is changing? I still stand by my assertions that it is only when Rooney and Chicha played as the two top strikers that Chicha lead, while Rooney lead when he's paired any other striker.

Rooney majorly lead our attack during that season and that reflected in the large number of minutes he has over Chicha.

Stop bringing in your One-man blog Zonal Marking. What Zonal marking said cannot override what the stats that OPTA and whoscored analyzed through technology. Zonal marking is not a reputable stats site. It is purely a one man blog. How can his opinion on football issues be superior to mine?

Rooney have finally put the owner to where he belongs that he doesn't know what he's saying. I'll rather believe what Rooney said as it aligns with what Opta and whoscored said than believe what Zonal marking said.

As far as i am concerned, Rooney who played all the matches have confirmed to us that he was the lead striker in that season. Any other thing you say is null and void. It doesn't carry any weight.

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elampiro:
I choose to follow Ferguson's statements then and other statements from players when memory was still fresh as the events were happening. Even you guys opta and whoscored showed Rooney was one of two strikers with Chicha or Welbeck. Zonal Marking showed Rooney played behind a striker.

This statement from Rooney is coming 4 years after when Van Gaal is looking for a striker and Rooney is trying to convince him there is no need to hunt for another striker.

That's all I have to say. Either you take it or leave it.

LMAO! I trust you. You never disappoint me. I knew you will twist the comment again.

Even without reading SAF's comment we argued it here with you that the two season Rooney scored high goals were the seasons he lead our attack.

I could remember telling you that SAF will never trust Welbeck who just came back from a loan spell with the lead striking role. He'll always use him as the support striker to Rooney.

As for Chicha, he had 1478 mins (18 starts) while Rooney had 2838 mins (32 starts) which shows that Rooney played mostly as the lead striker in the 4 4 2 formation that was mostly used by SAF in that season. Whoscored also confirmed this but you kept on bringing articles from some journo and some games charts from Zonal marking. Zonal Marking that's being run by a single who only talked about selected few games.

How can you call that a political statement that he doesn't want LVG to buy a striker when:

1. We all know that we are now well stocked in all those other positions he's been used over the years.
2. Wayne Rooney is a privileged captain according to LVG. LVG didn't substitute him in some games he wasn't playing well last season.
3. "If Rooney is fit he must play" This simply means Rooney will be the first choice striker next season. Any striker we buy now is going to sit on the bench until Rooney stink the joint on a consistent basis.
4. Rooney also boldly said this 'So hopefully if I play up there again this season then I can score the goals. It is where I like to play and I am sure it is where I will play. It is where the manager and myself see my best position.'

Anyway, whether you twist it or not, the ORACLE have spoken. You cannot know Rooney more than Rooney himself. He specifically mention those two seasons we have argued here that he lead our attack. Whoscored and OPTA also align with our assertions.

Coogar, siniza et al, the truth is finally out from the horse's(Rooney's) mouth.

Rooney categorically said his best position is as a striker. He also put to rest the age-long argument that Rooney played number 9 role in his two most productive seasons in Man Utd shirt (2009/10 and 2011/12 seasons)

Manchester United look to finally solve the problem of Wayne Rooney's best position after years of filling in the gaps

July 2008 and Sir Alex Ferguson sits in the dug-out of a football stadium in Durban and talks about Manchester United's prospects for the coming season.

At that time, Luiz Felipe Scolari is manager of Chelsea, Portsmouth are among United's early opponents in the Premier League and Arsenal are only four years in to what is now an eleven-year wait for their next English championship.

Some things, though, are the same. Early in the conversation, Ferguson is asked about Wayne Rooney.

'We have to define his role a bit better,' says Ferguson.

'We have kept using him in different positions, asking him to sacrifice himself for the team. I have to take a bit of responsibility for that.

'I think his best position is through the middle.'

Spin forwards seven years. Much has changed in Rooney's life but much has stayed the same.

The season before that Ferguson sound bite, Rooney had scored just 12 Premier League goals as he was rotated through his manager's formation. Last season, his first under Louis van Gaal, he scored exactly the same number during a campaign that at one point saw him operating as a holding midfield player.

Needs must in football and all that but over the years it has too often been Rooney who has been handed the responsibility – sometimes onerous – of filling in the gaps and as he talked outside the dressing room at Seattle's CenturyLink Field at the weekend the conversation soon took a familiar turn

'My best position, and I have always said it, is as a striker, getting into the box and scoring,' said Rooney. 'The two seasons I have really done that as a lone striker were my two best goal scoring seasons here.

'So hopefully if I play up there again this season then I can score the goals. It is where I like to play and I am sure it is where I will play. It is where the manager and myself see my best position.

'Hopefully I can get a good run of games and repay the manager and score goals for the team.

'I have played different roles over the years for United but you only have to look when I play for England as a striker I score goals. I am ready for the season.'

Rooney is an uncomplaining kind of footballer. Over the years at Old Trafford – he is about to start his 12th season at the club – he has won enough trophies to compensate for the times when he has inevitably sensed the frustration that comes with weeks spent playing effectively out of position.

Towards the end of Ferguson's time the subject irritated him. Equally David Moyes found the subject tricky and only this week Van Gaal bristled when asked about his captain.

'The English media always tell me where he should play,' he said.

This time round at least, Rooney has been pencilled in as United's number nine and he believes the numbers back up the argument.

Asked about the 2011-12 season that brought him 35 goals he said: 'That was the last time I really played the full season as a striker.

'All the other seasons I have been up front, then in midfield or out wide so hopefully if I stay up front then I can get near that again.

'I have no doubts in myself. I have no doubts that I can do that again and I am ready to take on that mantle again and be the one who gets the goals for this team.

'Certainly I hope to score 20 or more goals again. If I am playing as a striker then I will be disappointed if I cannot do that again.

'I don't think I have sacrificed myself too much over the years. Football is a team game and you win and lose together.

'Over the years I have been successful and won a lot of trophies with United and I think there are times when you have to do things for the good of the team and I feel I have done that.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3168761/Manchester-United-look-finally-solve-problem-Wayne-Rooney-s-best-position.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

What has elampiro got to say to these?

Hope there won't be twisting that he doesn't understand the meaning of a Striker. Lol. Or maybe he was drunk!

This has finally laid this argument to rest.

Thomas Muller to Manchester United reports “confirmed as untrue”

http://prosoccertalk.nbcsports.com/2015/07/20/thomas-muller-to-manchester-united-reports-confirmed-as-untrue/

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/manchester-united-transfers-no-bid-9695771

Paddy Crerand on MUTV "I think fans will be surprised in the next 7 - 10 days"

Paddy is always privy to some positive information. The last time he said something similar, we signed three players.
I don`t really know what he mean this time around. I hope it`s going to be positive on the team.

Real Madrid have agreed a deal to sign Espanyol goalkeeper Kiko Casilla.

Casilla, who came through the youth ranks at Real, is returning to the Bernabeu in €6 million transfer eight years after leaving Los Blancos to join Espanyol.

The 28-year-old is set to sign a five-year contract.

Hope this will make De Gea stay and put pen to paper.


http://www.espnfc.com/story/2526229/real-madrid-agree-deal-to-sign-espanyol-keeper-kiko-casilla

Maybe Herrera is already warming up for goalkeeping role. Lol. Watch him make some saves in training.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3162853/Forget-David-Gea-Victor-Valdes-Ander-Herrera-shows-goalkeeper-skills-training-Manchester-United.html

dopeJemi:
Lol, calm down Bros, make I show you

What about this?

Transfer News: Liverpool pip Man Utd to Benteke, Chelsea loan demand, Ozil's Arsenal exit

Liverpool have streaked ahead of Manchester United in the race to sign Christian Benteke, according to the bookies.

It's understood the £49million sale of Raheem Sterling to Manchester City has freed-up funds for the club to meet Benteke's £32.5m buy-out clause.

Sky Bet currently have Liverpool as 4/6 favourites to secure the 24-year-old with United at 15/8.

SailorXY:
I've not seen him play live & I don't really subscribe to YouTube clips, but from what I can see he has pace to stretch play well - a welcome trait.

If that guy has that strength and pace that i watched in that video, then we should get him. I think he's more suited for the EPL and this possession football we are adopting now.

coogar:
it's not his fault he's arguing blindly.
it's a situation where one needs to lie to cover up 999 other lies. elampiro disputed the images on whoscored.com that told us united played 4-4-2 for majority of the league games in 11/12.

how do you suddenly expect him to agree with us here after spending more than 10,000 hours to defend his lies that rooney was in the hole in 11/12. of course, he has to keep lying even when iron-cast evidence is brought before him. he would rather deactivate his moniker than agree with us on this one.



of course.....and your memory is better than whoscored, opta, transfermarkt, official website of the premier league.

let's not forget this your memory once saw hargo clipping messi's left foot, this your memory once saw roy keane in a champions league final.

the premier league should stop contracting opta stats & rely on your memory. rooney told neville the striking position is his favourite role.

why else are you arguing?




rooney played number 10 against west ham. the controversy that followed was because rooney wanted to play 4-4-2 alongside van persie instead of playing behind him. you think the opinion of a journalist who is obviously on rooney's payroll matter to me?

i have the facts that many UK journalists aren't even privy to. these were the passes rooney received against west ham - he was mostly in the central role. kagawa's received passes were geared towards the left channel. facts are different from opinions, my friend.

argue with opta images.....

This is from another site

coogar:
it's not his fault he's arguing blindly.
it's a situation where one needs to lie to cover up 999 other lies. elampiro disputed the images on whoscored.com that told us united played 4-4-2 for majority of the league games in 11/12.

how do you suddenly expect him to agree with us here after spending more than 10,000 hours to defend his lies that rooney was in the hole in 11/12. of course, he has to keep lying even when iron-cast evidence is brought before him. he would rather deactivate his moniker than agree with us on this one.

I know the argument nah! I have been involved in the argument two times but he keeps on telling us there was one big HOLE in 4 4 2 formation where Rooney lived in 2011/12 season and scored so much goals with less assists. Rooney must be THUNDER BALOGUN(remember his story when were younger) whose shot was so hot that he can score so much from anywhere in that hole.

That's just it. When you tell one lie, you have to manufacture so many other lies to make sure the first lie stands.

coogar:
you dunno elampiro!
agreeing with us would destroy a lot of his well-built lies in the past. there has been history concerning where rooney played in 11/12. only a stark illiterate would say CAM/ST are upfront. since when are attacking midfielders and strikers upfront?

this was rooney's interview with gary neville last season.

GBAM!!! But i am sorry, he will still twist it.

It's useless arguing with a person that's addicted to arguing blindly. Even when the fact speaks for itself.

This is hilarious. The wolf of Old Trafford - ft Ed Woodward.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdMFz-W5HaA

Bastian is really enjoying his move like he had been waiting for the opportunity to come and he grabbed it with both hands.

Manchester United's Bastian Schweinsteiger says his injury woes are behind him

"Of course,I had a tough World Cup so after that I was injured until I think end of October" Schweinsteiger told MUTV

"Everything is fine now,I'm looking forward to giving my best for Manchester United and I'm really happy to be here."

" United is a big club with a lot of tradition and it's exactly what I wanted,We have the same philosophy."

"I'm here to win titles and that's what United is used to, too.I'm looking forward to playing in the jersey."

"It was one of my dreams in my career to be here in Manchester and play for United."

"I know him (Van Gaal),so it was a little bit easier,but it's not about him, it's more about the club"

"I think I've played twice at Old Trafford - it was always an unbelievable atmosphere."

elampiro:
Be logical. Stop mentioning 22 games which spanned across 9 months.

We are talking about Rooney being played out of position in 5 out of 9 consecutive matches. From Madrid game to Villa game.

Same time SAF said Rooney and Kagawa might be rotated in the number 10. Rooney was having his best time in number 10 when suddenly SAF had to use him for defensive duties while Kagawa played number 10.

Kagawa was number 10 in Madrid. Same against Villa,

There were also substitutions. It had nothing to do with RVP.

You are the only one being illogical. You can twist it whichever way you like. I've established all that i need to establish and it is clear to everybody now because that wasn't the first time Rooney was being used out of position consecutively.

If you like increase it to 7 games, i am done with this.

elampiro:


Tess1

5th March Rooney was in the right wing against Madrid.

On 14th April he was in midfield against Stoke.

On 17th April he was in midfield against West Ham.

On 22nd April he was in midfield against Villa. The day we won the league.

Cant you see why he got angry? May be I have forgotten some sef.

Meanwhile I am sure SAF had not used him anywhere except in number 10 before Madrid match.

I asked you about EPL games only but if you are including UCL then we should be talking about larger than 22 starts that i stated.

Let's even accept that it's three games which i have my doubts about. You are now telling me that Rooney turned into a cry baby because of being used out of your supposed no 10 in just three games out 22 starts?

As at 2012/13, Rooney have spent about 9years at Man Utd. Was that the first time he has been used out of position in three or more games?

The fact has been established with these that it was top striker position that Rooney was talking about because he played the number 10 position mostly in that season.

There was rarely a game that both Kagawa and Rooney played that Rooney was sacrificed for Kagawa in the no 10 position. Kagawa was the one sacrificed unless Rooney played up top.

Rooney have been used out of position in his Man Utd appearances for more than three times in the past for him to then complain about mere three games.

There is no need for any more argument about this because it has now been confirmed that Rooney was referring to the no 9 position as the upfront in his statement.

elampiro:
You've not answered my question!

Rooney was given defensive duty in Madrid. You seem to be the only one who didnt know this. He was asked to assist Rafael on the right back from his wing position. Kagawa played Rooney's position in Madrid. This was why Rooney was unhappy. But SAF felt he should have understood the tactics and plan. Unfortunately, it got to a time Rooney didnt want to understand.

After the Madrid game, SAF said Rooney's preferred position is number 10, but he might have to rotate him and Kagawa there. SAF subsequently played in Rooney in centre midfield against Stoke, West Ham and Aston Villa.

Where did i argue with you that he wasn't given defensive duties to do against Madrid?

My argument with you was that Rooney was ready to go because he wasn't up top as the top striker, but you said it wasn't so that it was because of the Madrid match.

I didn't quite agree with you on that because Rooney simply stated that he wanted to leave because he wasn't played upfront which i believe was the top strike position. But you as usual said what Rooney meant by upfront was the no 10 position. You also said he was played at a couple of other positions in the team.

The fact is that Rooney started 22 games in the league that season (2012/13)

Facts also are that Rooney played between 19 and 20 games behind RVP as a lone striker or behind two strikers in 4 4 2 diamond formation or behind Chicha/Welbz. Facts are that Rooney played mostly behind any striker we used in that season.

How then will Rooney who played mostly behind the striker be referring to the same position he was complaining of as upfront?

What i want from you.

If you are still saying that Rooney meant no 10 as his upfront, then let us know how many games Rooney played in other positions different from the no 10 position.

Also let us know those matches he played in those different matches.

Let's see if those matches will be sufficient enough for you to be referred to as the position he was talking about.

elampiro:
Did you read that interview you submitted at all? Rooney was happy playing in where he likes to play, behind the main striker.

Where did I say Rooney was used as a DM?

I want to emphasize , what Rooney was flighting for is the number 10. Ferguson said this after Madrid game that Kagawa 's best position is behind the striker and that was unfortunate because that was Rooney' s preferred position. saf said he might resort to rotating them. Which meant Rooney might get to play in the wing or central midfield sometimes.

I Thought you were saying he was given some defensive duties to do.

If you are claiming Rooney was referring to number 10 as his upfront. Can you tell us how many games Rooney started in that season and how many of those games was he played away from the number 10? Let us know how many games he played in each of other positions he was played.

By my own reckoning, SAF played mostly 4 2 3 1 with Rooney playing mostly in the middle of the 3 which you refer to as number 10. How many times was he played away from that position for him to be complaining to the extent that he said he wanted to leave?

elampiro:
How is CM and Wing DM?

He understand the difference between 9 and 10. Both positions are upfront for some players.

Rooney was complaining of being dropped into the midfield for RVP who was just bought to top strike. He believed that RVP has just taken his position. He simply wanted his striking position back as the top striker just like he had it in the previous season.

If you say it was because he was used in the DM and the wing. How many times was he used in those positions to have warranted him asking to leave?

elampiro:
This should tell you he was talking about the number 10. Moyes played Rooney behind Van Persie. Rooney granted this interview when he was our number 10 and he was happy.

Under SAF he played in wing, CM in 2012/13

Twisting have started.

You said he only complained about being played in DM in the game against Madrid and i brought out where he complained about being mostly used in the midfield by SAF.

You are also saying he doesn't understand the difference between number ten and being a number 9, Lol.

You also said he was not going to be sold by SAF if he had stayed on but his quotes showed that he had made up his mind to go.

elampiro:
Rooney never complained about not paying the number 9. He was angry when he didnt play the number 10 against Madrid.

Rooney was assigned defensive duty in Madrid. Rooney has the best record in UCL knockout games for the club, but was assigned to assist Rafael to stop Ronaldo and Di Maria. When it didnt go down well with Rooney, SAF had to prove a point by playing Giggs.

Madrid was not going to be the must important game if Nani was not sent off. There would have been more important games for sure.

Lastly most of you guys posts are assumptions. Same assumptions that Rooney would be sold by Van Gaal. This is two years on.

These are Rooney's quotes after DM took over:

Wayne Rooney: Sir Alex Ferguson treatment made me want to quit Manchester United

Wayne Rooney has lifted the lid on his dissatisfaction with life at Manchester United, revealing he fell out with Sir Alex Ferguson after being asked to play out of position.

But the striker, preparing for England’s World Cup qualifier with Montenegro tomorrow, insists he is now settled at Old Trafford with David Moyes, Ferguson’s successor, giving him a settled place in the side.

Rooney looked poised to leave the Premier League champions in the summer, with Chelsea keen to make a move and Ferguson suggesting the striker had asked to leave at the end of last season.

Eventually United made it clear they would not sell but Rooney, despite starting the season in fine form, had refused to discuss his feelings on the matter until now.

But, speaking yesterday, he revealed Ferguson’s deployment of him in midfield was the main issue.

‘I didn’t feel like I got a consistent run of games upfront [last season],’ he explained.

‘I actually felt when I played in midfield I did okay, but I didn’t want to play there.

‘everyone at the club knew that’s where I wanted to play and I think that’s why I was disappointed because I got told to play in midfield.

‘I didn’t want to, but I’d always go in and try to help the team. [But] THERE HAD TO COME A POINT WHERE, FOR MY OWN CAREER, I HAD TO BE A BIT SELFISH.’

But back upfront under Moyes the 27-year-old made it clear he no longer has any desire to move on.

‘David Moyes has come in, he’s playing me upfront and I’m enjoying it,’ he added. ‘I’m happy.’

That was in October 2013. His major complain was not been played upfront but in the midfield. How can you now say his only complain was because he didn't play no 10 role against Madrid?

http://metro.co.uk/2013/10/09/wayne-rooney-sir-alex-ferguson-treatment-made-me-want-to-quit-manchester-united-4141245/

elampiro:
Rooney returned to the starting eleven after Madrid's game.

If the transfer request was turned down, it only meant the coach would subsequently avoid the Madrid saga. Don't look at it from one angle.

Just leave it as it is, SAF didnt want Rooney to go. Chikena.

How will they avoid Madrid saga when the crux of the matter was not only being left out of the most important match of the season but mostly because he's being used in the midfield according to Rooney himself.

SAF wasn't ready to drop RVP who was performing for Rooney upfront and Rooney wasn't ready to continue being used in the midfield. So, who do you think will get his wish? If SAF had stayed, he'll never succumb to Rooney so far RVP was still performing in his striking role. This is what will eventually lead to his exit.

elampiro:
Exactly. SAF at two different times said Rooney must stay. If he were drunk once, he couldn't have been drunk twice while speaking on same topic - the future of his key player.

The fact is that he had asked to leave in the second scenario which is quite different from the first when he hasn't. In the second scenario Rooney would have continued being displeased and continue throwing tantrums at SAF because he had made up his mind then. This will eventually make SAF sell him off.

Showing your displeasure over non-selection in a match is quite understandable at times but verbally saying you want to leave with such displeasure will always lead to his exit.

elampiro:
Alex Ferguson: Wayne Rooney will not be sold - 'you have my word'

Friday 08 March 2013
"He will be here next year, you have my word on that," he said. "There is no issue between myself and Wayne Rooney. To suggest we don't talk is nonsense.

"He understood the reasons completely. Tactically we got it right. We don't always but we did then. "There are no issues with the player and he will be involved on Sunday.

"I left out Shinji Kagawa after he scored a hat-trick. I thought I would get more stick for that."
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/alex-ferguson-wayne-rooney-will-not-be-sold--you-have-my-word-8526003.html





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Wayne Rooney: Sir Alex Ferguson says
striker was not keen to play
13 May 2013
"I don't think Wayne was keen to play, simply
because he has asked for a transfer," Ferguson
added.
Asked whether the England international will stay
at the club, Ferguson told the BBC: "It's not my
decision now."
However Ferguson earlier told Sky Sports: "We
are not going to let him go."

Ferguson added: "I think he should go away and
think it over again.

http://m.bbc.com/sport/football/22502958

You are bring in two different scenarios:

The first was when Rooney was dropped for Madrid game and he hadn't asked to leave.

The second was when he had asked to leave.

Rooney himself confirmed that he was ready to leave at the end of that season.

Ed is really on crazy mode as said by Paddy. Saw this somewhere;

Ed on MUTV: "Due to my illiteracy, i couldn`t differentiate Schweinsteiger & Schneiderlin, so i got both."