₦airaland Forum

Musiwa,:
The issue is the PDP have failed the Yorubas people. And the Yorubas people have no choice then to remove the PDP from Yorubaland, if the change is not made. The PDP have refused to change the injustice against the Yoruba which they the PDP conducted a false census.

Chief Obafemi Awolowo would be totally against the PDP for the injustice they have done to the Yoruba, which they have refuse to correct.

The Yorubas should stand up for thier next generation. And as long as the PDP refuse to correct the injustice the Yorubas should refuse to vote for them.

No reform No vote.

Odua agbe yin o

Katsumoto:
BK/Babe

You are a bad guy with your very funny adaptations. You are one bad dude.  

EzeUche:
Yes, lets buy up their land. Let them worry about luxury goods and big parties while we own their land and they pay us rent.

I rather we Igbos control Nigeria through our finances. Just likes the Jews control Europe and America, we can one day control not only Nigeria but Africa as a whole through our finances.

Onlytruth:
We really don't need to have an accord with these people, we need to conquer them. And we can do it if we understand their thinking. I believe we are already getting there, which is why some of them (like becomrich) are planning to secede. Na dat time dem go hear am!

Onlytruth:
So, as far as you are happy in the cesspit (since most of you are pigs anyway ), all others must be happy with the set up or die.

I have said it before and will continue to say it: peoples of different socio-cultural values have no business being in one country.

Awolowo was a TYPICAL Yoruba man and there is no hard feelings about that.

So, why did he propose starvation as a weapon of war against seceding Biafrans?

I thought he should be happy to see the East leave?

No! He wants Nigeria that would be ruled by the Yoruba.

That is why Nigeria will never know peace.

Awolowo sowed an EVIL SEED that destroyed Nigeria permanently.  

Justcash:

The bold part of your comment is unnecessary. It just placed you where you belong! No wonder you know much about fools and Mongolian idiots.

How could Awolowo ever be called the best leader NIGERIA ever had? You seem to lack basic understanding of expressions and their meanings.

Awolowo Can be your greatest leader because you felt his impact, but don't impose him on people who did not feel his impact.

Dude! I aint arguing if Awolowo was good or not. I agree that he was good. But he cannot be said to be the best in Nigeria!!  

He never had the chance to lead Nigeria, so he was never nationalistic. Which actually leaves him at a regional and ethnic level! He is the best in the West and Among Yoruba leaders, NOT IN NIGERIA!!!!

Is this clear to you or do you need it to be translated into Yoruba?

Akin-Egba:
These are what am talking of that our brothers are doing so many problems things in publics places

Obasanjo who always like public altercations
Bankole, who almost fight in public recently
Deji of Akure
Navy man Arogundade who beet up innocent gal in public
An Osun LG Chairman (have not remebered his name presently) who beet up DHL Chiarman leading to his death
Ambassador Rotimi who forget to respect his minister boss and quarel in DC with minister

akigbemaru:
Tony, stop being a protagonist that makes Ziks seemed a hero and Awo looked like a villain.
I ponder it in my head, why Ziks would not allow bugs in his land sting him; but adamantly thought people of Western Region were gullible to put their affairs in the hands of strangers. It may be reasonable if Eastern Region was willing to reciprocate other regions.
I am not baffled that Obafemi Awo knew his friend Ziks well to warn the west to be careful whom they put on top of their affairs. It makes me cringe to imagine what it would be like if God did not bless the western Nigeria with Pa. Obafemi Awolowo. The old wise man knew the capability of a double edge sword, it may defend you or come back to hurt you. The Yorubas responded to the voice of reason by cross carpeting which wholesomely is legal and politically correct and did not have anything to do with Zik’s seat as a democratically elected member of the western house of assembly. Instead of taking his seat as a member of the western house, once more took off running, this time to the eastern region that was the most efficient and a pace setter for the other regions under the leadership of a seasoned administrator, Professor Eyo Ita to relinquish his seat as premier and leader of government business to him (Azikiwe). When Ita will not bulge, Zik conspired openly with the less educated Igbo members of the eastern house, whipping ethnic sentiments, a unclothed display of tribalism to conjure a vote of no confidence on Ita and his ministers. By this barbaric display of tribal numerical strength, the ministers resigned and Azikiwe whose primary intention even in the western region was to meet the queen at the then upcoming Constitutional Conference in London, finally achieved his dreams at the cost of democracy.

Dede1:
I am bent on updating some loonies on this board about tough decisions made during Nigeria independent conferences. The issue of Lagos as federal capital and not constitute part of western region of Nigeria were contentious and protracted. Awolowo would have stuck to his guns and torpedo the national conferences and end what we know today as Nigeria.  Believe me it was wise on his side that he gave up on such petty issue. If he did not give up, Ibadan would have been better than Lagos. Could you imagine the dust bin?

Katsumoto:
Dede1
Lagos Island not Lagos state. We have had this discussion a few times. The other municipalities such as Epe, Ikorodu, Shomolu, Agege, Ikeja were part of the western region. if you disagree, then tell us the federal presence in those parts.

Also he (Tewmuch) was refering to this.
Its from an interview granted by Ralph Uwechue.

'Again, in 1957 when the British Colonial Government, under intense pressure from Southern politicians pressing for independence, attempted to uncouple the union between the North and South forged through Lord Lugard’s Amalgamation of 1914, with the offer of independence to the three Regions individually provided any two accepted the offer, a political crisis loomed large on the national horizon. The Northern Region, led by the Northern Peoples Congress (NPC) took the position that the North was not ready for that level of political and economic independence. The Western Region, led by Chief Awolowo’s Action Group (AG) promptly, declared its readiness to accept the offer. It was the Igbo-led NUNC that held the balance. It was an issue that could make or break Nigeria if the three Regions chose to go their separate ways to independence.

The NUNC leader, Dr. Nnamdi Azikiwe took the stand that although the Eastern Region was ready to assume the responsibilities of Regional independence, its attainment without the North would lead, in his own words, to the ‘’Baalkanization of the Nigeria Nation’’ and conceivably a break-up of the country. The Eastern Region would rather suppress it’s appetite for independence and the obvious gains it would entail until the Northern Region was ready. That was how Nigeria Independence was delayed until 1960. In short, the Igbo-led Eastern Region would rather forgo the advancement of its own political economic interests than risk the break-up of Nigeria.

Had the Eastern Region opted for Independence at that time, the territory under its control would have comprised in today’s terms the following nine States with their enormous human and natural resources: Abia, Akwa-Ibom, Anambra, Bayelsa, Cross River, Ebonyi, Enugu, Imo, Rivers state. It would also probably include Southern Cameroun with the oil rich Bakassi Peninsula. If not for Zik, by 1960, the three Regions would have become separate sovereign states and there would have been no question of Biafra’s attempted secession in 1967 from a non-existing Nigeria federation and the devastating civil war fought to stop it.
Similary, when Zik moved to the Federal scene as Governor-General and later titular President of Nigeria, the NUNC, under the leadership of Dr. Michael Okpara, of blessed memory, continued faithfully in his giant and indelible footsteps, the political bridge-building and nation building enterprise of the Igbo.

At independence, the Igbo-led NUNC shunned the attraction of being the senior partner in an East-West Alliance with Chief Awolowo’s Action Group (AG) and chose to team up instead as the junior partner, with Sir Ahmadu Bello’s Northern Peoples Congress (NPC) in order to consolidate the frail and insipid attachment of a wary and skeptical North to Southern Nigeria. At that time Chief Awolowo’s Yoruba dominated Action Group (AG) was viewed with considerable suspicion by the Hausa Fulani-led NPC for its ambition and role in the then Middle Belt, under Congress (UMBC). However, when the Yoruba Leader Chief Obafemi Awolowo was accused of treason and incarcerated in 1963, on charges which many Nigerians believed were trumped up to silence him politically, the Igbo leadership of NUNC switched side and came to his rescue.'

babapupa:
You don't have to keep repeating the same made up garbage just because you know ow to type, NL is not full of history deficient and gullible mumu.

And the so called cesspit resulted because of the Igbo man's endless thirst for the Hausa man's water bottle.

Are your leaders still not running around and telling you to follow and vote for the Hausa man again?


Negro please,

Dede1:
You seem to be one of many Nigerians that missed the boat on correct and proper recorded events. The answer to your unfortunate and juvenile question is capital YES.

Please disabuse your mind on the political issues of 1959. As a matter of fact, Zik did not rush to northern region for personal ends. Rather the coalition government of NPC and NCNC was as result of Awolowo fast draw when he sent secret teams to Bello and Azikiwe for political deals.

Awolowo was the first to give up Lagos as part of west region hence Lagos as capital of Nigeria.

Awolowo and your forbearers fought in 1967 to keep Nigeria as one entity hence the cesspit.

sjeezy8:
Does this make sense to you- really im like sooooo serious.

~Sauron~:
Ignore the troll. . . .
Orisebawo is a spambot!

Justcash:


Just As [b]Nnamdi Azikiwe(you mean?) is the same as a Son of a naughty woman, A coward, an ungrateful F-oo-l and a complete saboteur to me.[/b]

orisebawo:
Are you for real, I am a yoruba man and I respect Awolowo very well but your assertion that he had no equal is nothing but a fallacy, the Awolowo I know was a tribal leader i.e a local champion and he was never denied the presidency, he just didnt have the skills needed, he failed to evolve from a yoruba man to a Nigerian, he promoted tribalism by implying that the yoruba tribe was the best . When I read about Yoruba leaders still going to Ikenne to meet with Awolowo's wife, it further buttresses my point that the Awolowo's are just trying to remain in the limelight and not really after any development and apparently not making any impact.

The Awolowo's should leave the younger generation to lead, afterall how old was Awolowo when he was the premier of the western region.

I respect him for what he did in western nigeria but that is where it ends, he was not a true Nigerian like Abiola, who was recognised all over Nigeria and is the only man that was denied the presidency.

I am not slighting him I am only saying the truth.

Justcash:
Your 1st statement in Bold: Only Nigerians in the Western region benefited from it. There was really no way he would have separated other ethnic groups from benefiting from his good educational incentive and innovation. Any Igbo that benefited from it actually traveled to the West to do so. Awolowo Never had Nigeria as a whole in mind while implementing his developmental plans. His Tribe and "Region" were his concern. However, other ethnic nationals in the region benefited. That does not make him a national leader, rather it points to the fact that he was more tribalistic and regional in his plan.

Your second statement in bold: Shows that you were thinking with your heart than your head. Pls point out where I said that ZIk kept Nigeria as one? Can you check up the meaning of being "Nationalistic" in leadership? If you don't know, pls research to avoid spewing out your ignorance.

Your third statement in bold: Your statement could actually be true. The question is, in his greediness, was his Nationalistic? Think again!

Your fourth statement in bold: Don't let Awolowo, Obasanjo and co to hear you! They'll be angry that you think that they wasted their time and effort! Who plotted the starvation strategy that left Biafra handicapped? Who accepted the surrender of Biafra? Go and do a proper research my dear friend. If the Yorubas dint want one Nigeria, alot of things would have been different now. I still ponder why the sacrificed so much for it?

Katsumoto:
How could Awo have developed other regions if he had no power over them? We can judge him on the region that he led and he had no equal in Nigeria. His achievements are there for all to see. If Awo was president of Nigeria and only developed the West, then I will accept the argument that he was a tribalist. But the fact is that he was not, he was the premier of the Western region and he did his job well, especially when compared with the other leaders.

Justcash:
[b]Let the truth be said;

Was Awolowo a pro-developmental leader?

Answer: Oh yes! One of the most developmental leaders of any tribe in Nigeria. His developmental Foresight, educational provisions and general stride with technological advancement were true evidence of my assertion.

Was Awolowo a Nationalistic leader?

Answer: Hell no! He was more concerned about his ethnic group than Nigeria as a whole. His developmental efforts were directed to the benefit of his ethnic group and region, with little to show for national development. It is a well known fact that he was a symbol of the Yoruba's political might in the post-colonial days.

Was Awolowo the greatest leader in Nigeria?

Answer: Nope! If you are talking about Nigeria as a whole, he is not. He is the greatest leader of his tribe and region not Nigeria as a whole. The north would claim that Tafawa balewa/Ahmaedu bello and other northern leaders were the greatest leaders in Nigeria. The Igbos would claim that about Ojukwu. So it is not surprising that Yorubas see Awolowo as the greatest leader Nigeria has ever had. However, he is not. In terms of nationalistic leadership qualities, Nnamdi Azikiwe was a better leader than Awolowo. This is why many Igbos including me don't like him. Igbos feel that he was a fool by sacrificing alot for Nigeria's unity, while his mates were standing for their ethnic groups and region.

Was Awolowo an important  player in Nigeria's unity?

Answer: Oh yes! He was. When he refused to declare a separate country for the western region, and instead decided to forgive the people that imprisoned him against the people that released him, he actually preserved Nigeria as a country. He was however seen as a "Coward" and "Ungrateful" individual by the Igbos after that event. However, he helped to keep Nigeria one by doing that.

Was Awolowo a Bad or Good man?

Answer: It is relative. To the Yorubas and Hausa/fulanis, he was a Sweetheart and a symbol of a true leader.  To the Igbos and most eastern tribes, he was a Coward, a saboteur and a devil in the making. Nothing can change these perceptions, no matter how much you argue.

I am Igbo, So you should know how I feel about him. That being said, the truth has to be told.[/b]

Onlytruth:
Bros Dede1, you better believe what you read from that two faced character. I don't know what he knows about the USA, but he fails to see that President Obama was born in Hawaii but contested for US Senate and presidency from Illinois; Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is from Texas, but represented New York in Senate. I can go on.

The formative era of the Nigerian nation namely the 50s was a time the US was emerging a truly egalitarian society, and Zik being a product of the US education system wanted the best for Nigeria. He wanted a Nigeria where Nigerians can contest elections in areas of domicile. In the US, it takes one year to establish domicile. If there is any Nigerian that truly was ahead of his peers (at least in the ideals of forming a federal system of government) it was Zik. None other.

I hope you see why I keep saying that Awolowo destroyed southern Nigerian unity for ever. With the likes of Katsumoto who wants to eat their cakes and have it, forming a nation between Yoruba and Igbo is almost an impossibility. Which is why we have an arrested development.