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SegzyJoe:
@texazzpete,
what is more than intellectual shallowness and bankcruptcy other than for you critizise a write up when you could not substantiate it or take the pain of presenting a contrary and enlightened view, you might as well hold your peace forever, since you lack basic fact or perhaps you re too lazy to embark on necessary intellectual exercise to disproof my post. A sweeping comdemnation is least expected of any scholar that worth its salt, you sound more like a borehole theorist.

As for the catholic church, i don't think you re more of a catholic than myself,, even a beginner iin Reformation history will no doubt attest to the facts.

Is the burden then on me to provide an enlightened view to a totally absurd write up?
intelligent discourse means that both sides of the conversation are intelligent and logical.

You should be educated enough to know that you back up any allegations/accusations you make.
You make the following unsubstantiated claims

1. JFK killed because he wasn't protestant.
2. The early settlers in America left England because of interference from the Vatican
3. Al Gore was rigged out of the US presidential elections.
4. The republican party consists of the most advantaged people in the US.
5. There were many struggles between the catholic Church and the protestants 'throughout American history'

There are numerous more hair-brained theories you produced that should not have survived even a cursory attempt at research,

You, my friend, are full of hot air. You self-importantly claimed to have reached this revelation after reading many books, yet when it came to time to prove your drivel, you quote two writers in nigerian Guardian. Why?

If you really are as well-read as you claim (that's debateable, considering the fact that your article is full of pseudo-intellectual claptrap) you would have done some research. And if you think you truly deserve an intellectual debate, then hold up your end. Write an article that shows some appreciable level of intelligence, not this mish-mash of shadowy conspiracy theories and hidden plots.

myro:
random question: can somone please share with us what the dress code is like during the week at ELV? is it business casual or university casual. i go like the second choice sha.

You can turn up in boxers if you want. Just focus on what you're to do: learn.

vowiski:
sony do not make loss from ps3 dude!
ps3 seen outselling xbox 360
check out this link
http://www.earthtimes.org/mobile/186099.xhtml

http://wap.afterdawn.com/headline.cfm?id=12934
GO! playstation. it's in you.

Vowiski.
an analyst is making a projection based on what he believes. it's his opinion and should never be taken as fact.
Sony's sales lead over the 360 in january is due to xbox 360 shortages.

Onicastro:
@texazzpete , Honestly I have played and ended Zelda - Ocarina of time, And almost finished Zelda Majora's mask (Skull kid guy) but got 2 busy 2, stopped @ the Zora egg arc with the Zora guitar guy's mask, Zelda is a wonderful game but MGS's Kojima breaks the fourth wall so much to let you think you're in d game, which makes MGS more perfect and Makes Legend of Zelda 2nd only 2 MGS. I recommend MGS, Zelda, Final fantasy, Halo and Splinter Cell 2 Everyone.

lol. MGS does NOT make you think you're in the game, it has a great story (MGS 1) but it's characters are too surreal and out-of-this world to make you connect totally. Add to that the preachy nature of the game and see what you get.
if anything, MGS makes you think you're watching a movie, albeit one that you have some control over. MGS 2 cutscenes were so plentiful, people thought the game was playing them and not the other way around.

Zelda Ocarina of Time however is a spellbinding, breathtaking game, with gorgeous graphics at the time, an engaging story that made YOu feel like the hero and several endearing characters.

Gamespot.com
Ocarina of Time definitely follows in the footsteps of the previous games, and the result is a game that can't be called anything other than flawless.
http://www.gamespot.com/n64/adventure/legendofzeldaoot/review.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=gssummary&tag=summary;review

The game scored a metacritic ranking of 99/100


MGS is highly ranked also, but it scores lower with the critics. the only people that give it a 100% rating are biased (Official Playstation Magazine)
http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/psx/metalgearsolid?q=metal%20gear%20solid#critics


No Game can compare with Ocarina of Time.

Nobody is gonna add their voice since you can't be arsed to give any reasonable information about this so-called 'inhuman treatment'.

THIS is why Nigeria is going backwards. People put their personal comfort ahead of what is morally right.
This is how Environmental Sanitation, a period set aside to keep the environment clean was abused and neglected, because people do not see the harm in doing it.

This issue should not even cause this level of debate. The Government spends money reprinting damaged mint and spraying does some damage to the Naira note.

The Government has made sevral appeals, several campaigns designed to curb naira abuse. it has had Zero effect. The only solution is to make a law so people will be forced to obey.

Some people are encouraging the Nigerian govt to spend billions in making stronger notes just so they can continue this degrading act. Why??

When it comes down to it, all we see in this topic is a bunch of selfish Nigerians who can only think of themselves and not their country.

Pity, really.

Kaestro:
"Hard earned money" I hear some people say.How unfortunate majority of us Nigerians show less regard for the essence of spending.I don't think any typical Nigerian (rich or otherwise) can ever ever run out of important issues to solve with their wealth.
For those having weddings and other celebrations ,are you saying you're not quite up to it so much you have to scramble for what is sprayed on you?

that's what they are saying

Me, i look forward to opening gifts given to me, not to engage my siblings in picking up grubby money from the floor.

vowiski:
1lanother Dumb guy in da house.
kindly check the links i gave out before u talk trash.
360 and ps3 GPU is both 3.2Ghz dude.
peace.

Vowiski
Neither the 360 or PS3 GPU is anywhere near 3.2Ghz. No GPU in the world is clocked even half that high. please do some research and have the grace to apologize when you come back.

Now, to your links.
the PS3 outsold the xbox 360, just for this month, but that's no-doubt helped by xbox 360 shortages (xbox 360 sold hundreds of thousands of units more than the Ps3 during the crucial december holidays)
Far more worrying to Sony is the low attach rate, with only one PS3 game in the top 10. COD4 on the xbox 360 was the highest on that list for 3 months in a row.

Here's the rub

December 2007 NPD hardware sales

HW Sales
System December 2007, Annual 2007
PlayStation 2 1.1 million, 3.97 million
[b]PlayStation 3 797.6 K, 2.56 million
PlayStation Portable 1.06 million, 3.82 million
Xbox 360 1.26 million, 4.62 million
Wii 1.35 million, 6.29 million
Nintendo DS 2.47 million, 8.50 million

http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=250636[/b]

The xbox 360 sold 1.26 mil to the PS3s 790k units in December. Hence the shortage of 360s available. that's why the PS3 outsold the 360 for the first time ever.

@Onicastro
The only perfect game i know about is Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time on N64.

MGS comes close, but it's not perfect.

You owe it to yourself to play that game before you die.

vowiski:
bluray wins, ps3 built in bluray player plays bluray.
360 plays Dvd-dl can't play bluray.
do i make sense.

So?
it's a safe bet that 98% of those that bought xbox 360s bought it solely to play games.
Most PS3 owners didn't buy the console for movies either. Blu-ray is still a whole lot more expensive than conventional DVDs, and the difference in quality isn't exactly night and day.

if you needed a cheap blu-ray player, fine.
if you wanted a games console, that's a whole new ball game entirely.

While you'll see an increase in PS3 sales due to the fact that it's also blu-ray player, that doens't help sony much. Sony loses money on the hardware, but makes money on software sales. People buying PS3s solely to play Blu-ray discs wont make much money for sony.

Kobojunkie:
I happen to agree with your reasoning for why people trample those notes. I mean try change up the notes with Euros or dollars and the reaction might be different.If the CBN would spend more time uping the value of the naira and less time trying to legislate to the people what they can do with their money and what they can not, may be we might be able to get a change in the trend. If I was at a party where dollars were sprayed and being trampled like that, I would dive in to pick those suckers up for self.

Spraying money is a thing of ostentation, to flaunt wealth to ll and sundry. Believe me, dollars WILL get sprayed if you're in the right party.

Does anyone really think polymer noted don't get defaced/dirty when trampled upon?

Kobojunkie:
How do you know I do not pay taxes in Nigeria There  you have the table,  how did you come to the conclusion that I am not unmoved by this?? So the very fact that I would prefer the government adopt better money printing techniques instead of trying to impeach on the people's freedom means I am UNMOVED come on!!!

Good. So instead of the cheaper step of instilling public discipline and acountability by banning the terrible act of spraying money (among other means of defacing the Naira), you advocate Nigerian taxpayers money be used to re-print and recirculate much of our currency, right? This, despite the well-documented fact the printing polymer notes costs way more than paper currency?

Your past posts have indicated you live and work in the US. ergo, it's easy to conclude that you do not pay taxes to Nigeria. If you were doing so, you'd have refuted my assumption.

Now, tell me something i do not know. in your opinion how many cellotaped dollar notes have you come across in the US? This for my personal enlightenment even if it doesn't prove my point, so please reply.

ocelot2006:
I guess the truth hurts.Oh well,just make sure you guys clean up the mess that your moronic president created while i sit hear and joyfully sing my "I TOLD YOU SO" song.

A quick check through my profile would easily inform you that i'm a Nigerian. Except, of course, if you're referring to Yar'Adua.

Actually there are people who genuinely care about the people of Iraq and what the after-effects of the war would be. Such people are quick to look to the future and what can be done to untangle the webs of hatred in that country.

Sadly, there are many like you who joyfully exclaim at every fatality, every tragedy, using such gory pictures of human suffering to exclaim to all and sundry 'i told you so'. Such people couldn't care less about the Iraqi people, mouthing empty platitudes while using the upwardly spiraling body count to justify their sage-like status.

Such people are no different from George W Bush.

Seun:
If the CBN was concerned about notes being clean, the new notes would have been polymer notes.

[quote author=A_K_O link=topic=113415.msg1969264#msg1969264 date=1203350942]GBA!! End of story. That's why now it's almost impossible to find a crispy clean 5 naira note unless you check the mint. The new notes were the smaller denominations, the bulk of which are handled by the lower middle class and below.[/quote]Yup! And if the Abia state government wanted the Aba people not to keep building pyramids of garbage on the expressway, they should have given every Aba resident garbage cans.

Right?

the excuses we find for crime in this country. . .

Kobojunkie:
OH Please @Texazzpete, give me a break. Why oh why do you too come up with the lame line that because I am not PRESENTLY IN NIGERIA means I do not know what is happening in that country. Pray tell, do you even know how often I go down there a year?? I mean it makes me sick when people think that just cause a person does not live presently in the country equals the person has no clue what is going on down there. sheeshs!!! Please come up with a better excuse for your side of the argument next time. Not the usually attack that means squat since you do not even know if I am in Nigeria or will be in a week as we speak and you do not even know the last time I was there and where I was.

I've never said you had no clue what's happening in Nigeria. kindly show me where i said that.

I said you do not pay taxes to the Nigerian Government. So it's no wonder you're unmoved by unneccesary diversion of taxpayers money to repair naira notes worn down by activities you overtly support.

KAY TOBEI:
An opinion poll for bachelors and sprinsters on money spraying? who will support non-spraying of the naira at his or her wedding. and the married people of this forum, will you support non-spraying of money at your children's wedding?

I set the ball rolling by giving my answer to question one because I am a bachelor. I will not support non-spraying
of money at my wedding. it's part of the fun! It's part of our culture, we created it and we love it. Paper money was made by Colonists and so not in our culture, somebody said, but right there on the American continent we spray dollars in Nigerian parties. we created a culture with their paper money, simple! A scene in the movie 'Phat Girls' confirms that.

As long as the naira is not set on fire, let it make event thick!

naturally there will always be people irredeemably set to disobey the law, to go against what is right and just.

By all means, spray money. just know you've lost the moral right to condemn any of our leaders for their misdeeds.

As i said before, i've attended a wedding where the MC insisted that spraying be curtailed.

KAY TOBEI:
we created a culture with their paper money, simple!

Nope. we created an impression of being uncouth barbarians.

vowiski:
tezaxepeet
microsoft had a hand in toshiba's Hd-dvd.
xternal accessory 4 d 360 (hd-dvd machine)
lol

good. So how does this translate into bad news for xbox 360 owners?

PES 2008
Fight Night Round 3
Call of Duty 4

oyb:
@ texazzpete,

maybe if gamine had ditched the granny glasses profile before feb 14, you'd have thought differently. . .

hmm. just peeped at her new profile pic. She don dey show small 'chest' for the pic.
the li'l one's gettin' all growed up now *sniff*

lol
i've seen the li'l minx without glasses before. Still consumes more than her weight in food

Gamine:
he he

omo i go still get me Mac

Mac 4 Lyf!!

mac my arse!

vowiski:
not yet. false news is bad.
todhiba has not said they will pullout, just that time wanner went bluray exclusive. toshiba said they will watch the market first. no news from toshiba yet dude.

Not just time warner, but Best Buy, Wal-mart and Netflix.
Everyone expects toshiba to pull the plug any moment from now.

vowiski:
ALWAYS attach a link to claims.

Since when do YOu attach a link to claims?

vowiski:
bad news xbox fans.
cheers playstation fans.

i'm sorry, but since when did HD-DVD and xbox become linked together?
most people buy an Xbox to play games and not to watch movies. Sure, PS3 has a built-in blu-ray player, but that's why it's more expensive.
it's hard enough getting Nigerians to buy original DVDs. let's see how many Blu-ray discs Nigerians will buy.

Funny how Nigerians would always be Nigerians.
See some people here crowing about how they were smarter than those that invested in Transcorp. Why do naijans love the "i told you so" attitude?

@ocelot2006
Yes. it's a tired fact now that the US should never have invaded Iraq, so unless you've got a time machine and can erase the past, STFU about that already.

The most important thing now is what to do going forward. And contrary to what the 'Angry Soldier' is saying, pulling out now would be the worst thing to happen to Iraq. old wounds have been opened, and a complete US withrawal at this point will not make anything better.

powerofmap:
Chei he reach my wedding time now them don ban spraying, Make come stop me now mumu law by mumu government

In a friend's wedding, a basket was placed on the ground, and people who came to dance with the couple dropped money into it. the adventurous ones sprayed the money into the basket. either way, the integrity of the money was preserved.

@oldie
thanks for that photo.

That photo show what happens to money sprayed at ceremonies. Clean, mint is stepped on and becomes dirty and starts wearing out. Notes pasted on foreheads absorb sweat (acidic) and are further damaged.
it's a shame - nay, a disgrace - that Nigerians have no respect for their currency.

oyb:
but money will wear, won't it?

Yep. buildings will wear and get dirty and dingy too, but would that fact make you feel happier if you wake up to see someone wiping fresh mud off his shoes and onto your wall?

maybe the analogy is kinda off, but you get what i mean.

Blatant:
Maybe I don't know the Universities in Nigeria now and maybe things have changed quite a bit but I have still to hear of any student just going on a killing spree.
Even the cultists probably have their own rival targets: not just to go into a lecture theatre and start a shooting spree.

That's the point. You don't HEAR of uch things in Nigeira, while smaller things in the US get magnified exponentially.
When those 7 (?) students were slaughteredby cultists in OAU, did it appear on CNN?

As for 'any student going on a killing spree', people have killed for trivial reasons. A cult war started in my uni in 2002 because two students were arguing over a copy of Tupac's 'all Eyez on Me' cd. One guy shot the other, fighting started and before the dust settled 6 people were dead.

Blatant:
Even the cultists probably have their own rival targets: not just to go into a lecture theatre and start a shooting spree.

Tell that to the mother of the final year medical student in my Uni who was decapitated while writing his final exams.
tell that to my old friend Yomi who was shot 7 times in town while he was driving. You can't though. he's dead.

Didn't hear of that one, didja?

aahmed112:
we all jus need 2 chill n look at this objectively. . .damaged money costs quite a bit 2 reprint. And for all of u screaming, market women, mamaput and all that crap, the word here is CONTROL, and not ERADICATION!! This law was enacted by CBN and not primarily by the executive govt. . .so I guess its not a fair comparing a law on the protection of the naira (CBN), and human right laws (Executive govt).

EXACTLY!!
i've been making this same point over and over again. damaged money costs money to destroy and reprint.
A recurring point these guys have been making is that damaged money never hurt anyone.
Going by that, then so many things that never overtly hurt anyone can be forgiven, right?
We can then argue that Alams loot never hurt anyone, that Ibori's loot never hurt anyone, that the mounds of garbage in Aba never hurt anyone.

grafikdon:
I guess we forgot the 'Ghana Must Go' squad who cart the money away in trucks where they sit Western banks- - - now that's the abuse of naira that actually hurt EVERYONE, including non living things like roads, hospital and electricity.

Now THIS is the root of all this debate isn't it? The commonly held belief among most Nigerians that all Evil is perpetrated by our terrible leaders while the common man is totally blameless for the ills that plague our society.

repeat after me until comprehension sinks in: damaged money costs MONEY to reprint!!

Blatant:
even on this forum, people get asked to produce evidence of their posts/assertions

even on this forum people like YOU carry out character assassination (and smear attacks).

Blatant:
BTW, I am ready to contest your 50 deaths accounts going by some of the things you have written on this forum.

Your choice, my friend. in your bid to contest my statement, kindly interview people who studied in the following universities: AAU, Uniben, UNICAL. Perhaps in your school the local confraternities engaged in such pacifist activities like tug-of-wars and karaoke contests, but in so many other schools in Nigeria their rivalries often led to fatal confrontations.
remember what happened in OAU some years back?

Anyone who was in uniben between 1997 - 2002 knows what i'm talking about.

Now, you're insinuating that i've posted false info in this forum before. if you're really as educated as you claim, you'll know that the burden of proof is on the accuser. Kindly provide evidence to show i've lied here before, or remain damned as a liar.

Blatant:
This will only lead to suppression of the will of people as it appears a lot of people really like the idea of spraying money at parties.

A lot of people like driving one-way, against traffic. This must be the will of so many people. Government shouldnt stop it!
Right?

Blatant:
Spraying money does not hurt anyone as much as legislators corruptly enriching themselves and sending the money to European banks rather than keeping the money within the system to generate investements.

Yup! vandalising NEPA cables doesn't hurt anyone. That should be decriminalised abi?
Corrupt legislators steal money, denying Nigerians the benefit of such funds. Crime. Abused and defaced Naira needs to be destroyed and reprinted. this costs money, which could be used to feed the common man. Crime also.
So why the distinction?

Blatant:
Government needs to get it's priorities right. How exactly does money spraying affect the life of the common man?

See the answer above.

Honestly, can you tell me you haven't seen weddings and parties where the guests stamp and tread on sprayed money all in the name of dancing?
Is soaking brand new naira notes in the sweat from someone's forehead a sure way to preserve the integrity of the Naira notes?

True, there are more serious crimes in Nigeria that need legislation, but to toss this one away as an unworthy idea is plain silly.

FYI
motorola phone division is a dying company, with hundreds of millions of dollars in losses. So far Motorola has been desperately seeking for someone to buy the division, but sony Ericcson, Samsung and LG have all turned them down.
At the recent mobile world congress (MWC) the most motorola could muster was some pathetic (compared to the competition) phones.
Why am i saying this? Motorola fans, don't coount on there being too many Moto phones out there in the very near future. . .

davidif:
thank you kobojunkie, you sound like one of the few correct people making sense in this thread don't mind the others. I am so angry to beging to respond to some of the people on this thread, but i would only talk to you kobo. Must we always live like westerners, here in yanki, naija people spray money at weddings and you have this @#*&* talking nonsense here. You guys should just shut up.

Kobojunkie:
Pray tell, what are these others sides

next time any of you say there's somethign wrong with Nigeria, know that the rot starts with people like you who put their personal comfort over sensible laws designed to save unneccesary wastage of governnment funds.
Sprayed money invariably gets trampled on in Nigeria more often than not. trampling money wears it down and damages it. Damaged money has to be destroyed and reprinted by the Nigerian Government using taxpayers money. Can't you guys see that?

@Kobo
AFAIk YOu do not live or work in Nigeria, so you do not pay taxes to the Nigerian Government. People like myself do, and it's irksome to see taxpayers money wasted in destroying and reprinting naira notes just to make you and your buddies happier. You live in a country where the concept of 'taxpayer's money' is highly revered, so why the double standard?