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AZeD1:
Immigrants can't vote until you become a citizen.

And a lot of us here on nairaland are citizens
But still, they will ask us to leave Canada if we voice an opinion contrary to the mainstream society belief

AZeD1:
Nobody has said it ok but for you to fight it, you need people who believe in the equal rights of people irrespective of sexuality, race, tribe e.t.c

The people on this thread are all migrating to Canada because the system discourages discrimination(at least openly). A certain poster says he would not rent an apartment to homosexuals because of his religion but that same person has most likely complained about tribalism in Nigeria and he would definitely complain if he is denied a job because of his religion.

And how do you know if those white in Bily's post aren't immigrants to Canada.

This may be another case of microaggression in the Canadian society. If you are black you are an immigrant. If you are white, they assume you are in your country.

bily:
Very apt submission
If you google the west coast Christian accord and their crusade against sogi 123 educational curriculum being introduced in schools, you will see that it's mostly being championed by white Canadians Christians... Yet I don't see anyone telling them to shut up and leave Canada if they are not OK with it.
But if Na black man voice an alternate opinion to these topics, we will be crucifying them here

Nogen:
By the following day, the colleague has spread this story all over their company and some ignorant ones came to confirm the story from my friend while those who understand their world map very well have been laughing at their colleague for exhibiting such ignorance about Africa.

Oh noooo... lol.
Can't believe this degree of ignorance

At least those white ignorants would be afraid of your friend thinking that he had fought with lions.

Anyway, anyone who knows Africa will be able to say your colleague's story about running to school was a joke.

Likewise, anyone familiar with Canada can tell that toboy 'story doesn't ring right.

maternal:
Honestly I think your story is BS. That could even be considered an hate crime if a white person said that in public. I'm calling this a lie the more I think about it. Such foul language is literally a crime especially against minorities.

I was thinking about that as well, this story doesn't sound right.
This doesn't sound like the Canada I know.
It is very unlikely for a white Canadian to tell a black person that he thinks black people are primitive beings.
In Canada, white people walk on eggshells when interacting with black.
White people are afraid to offend black people.

maternal:
Congo is Right. If someone said that to toboy in his face, the man is a joke to them. The prime minister can't say that to my face even off camera. He'd be too scared. White canadians are very covert with their racism. Their specialty is smiling and stabbing you in the back without you knowing it. Them letting you know They re racists gives us a strategic advantage to be able to defend ourselves. They don't like that. If a white man said that to my face I'm either taking my employer to court, or he gets punched in the face if there's no witnesses around. But They re not walking away without some sort of consequence.

Thanks bro.
I am still wondering how a white man can say this to a black person in 2018 in Canada.
People had lost their careers because of allegations of racism even made in private. But here we have a brother who is even proud to proclaim on Nairaland that a white man had opened up himself to him by calling black people primitive being

vcole:
I think you really did go overboard here with this response. How do you make such assumptions laced with insults from a reply to a post on an online thread? C’mon. We really do need to learn to have productive conversations and embrace divergent views on issues. @toboy did not deserve this response.

Sorry if my post had offended you.
I thought toboy would understand my frustration the same way he understood that white man frustration about black people.

But if he doesn't understand me but was able to understand the white man, then we have a serious issue.

toboy:
I had a conversation with a white person who says they respect black people but then he finds black people are "dirty, primitive, and violent people". To unpack this racial stereotype, I told him I understand why he might feel that way due to the socialization and misrepresentation of black people in North America.

There we go again...

In 2018, most if not all white in North America will be extremely careful to say this to a black person, very afraid indeed . Usually white people in North America walk on eggshells when interacting with black people.

But for a white person to summon the courage to tell you what you have wrote, that tells me a lot about you. You must be an extreme pushover and he took advantage of that. He took you for a dumb or someone anyone can offend with no fear of repreasal.
Are you the type of black who says things to please the white master? He may have sensed that you have an extreme low self esteem toward white people.

You even told him you understood him. Com'on now!
Someone once told me that the bullies have the eyes to see who to mess with and who not to mess with.
Personally, just as the majority of black people, no white will ever tell me this poo in my face. I am so surprised that in Canada a white person can say this to a black person. Yes, we have racism in Canada but it never blatant. It is rather subtle.

And this is the rubbish you come to post on Nairaland (a mostly black forum).
Some black will go to the extend of selling their family and culture in the name of what the white man had said.

EfemenaXY:
Well then, as long as you keep your concept of foolîshness to yourself in your home, that’s fine.

Just don’t go around preaching and inciting hatred in a country that upholds freedom of choice and equal opportunities.

And this is what I have been saying from the outset

EfemenaXY:
So rubbishing a person’s choice is showing mutual respect?

Interesting.

Eating dog or cat is disgusting for some people but acceptable to others.
The person who doesn't eat dog can't harrass those who do eat dogs. He should respect their choice. This is what I call mutual respect.
However, this doesn't exclude the fact that eating dog is foolishness or rubbish to the person who doesn't eat dog.

greyham:
Okay Mr. TheCongo2, the all-knowing Canadian, I tremble before your vast knowledge of the land.

Thanks.
We can rest the case now

You still have not disclosed your location

EfemenaXY:
How rude.

No one is asking you to embrace the rubbish of westerners.

What you’re being asked to do is respect people’s choices. Just because you don’t agree with a person’s choice doesn’t make that choice rubbish.

Live and let live.

Mutual respect is what I have been saying all along.
As for some practices, they will always be rubbish in my eyes and there is nothing rude about that.

sistaj:
Les congolais aussi . Je plaisante

Lol ...

EfemenaXY:
I really wish you’d just create a new post rather than update a post I’ve already responded to with new additions.

Our so called “African heritage” endorsed the killing of twins, human sacrifices, female circumcision and an oppressive patriarchal system that subdued (and still does) women.

Most of these stone age practices have been done away with and rightly so.

That is unfortunate if you are limiting the African heritage to the bolded.
You seem to ignore much about Africa. 700 years ago, some of the biggest libraries in the world were in countries like Mali (library of Timbuktu ).

Anyway, there are rubbish in every culture. We are doing away with rubbish of the African culture only to embrace the rubbish of westerners.

Nogen:
Lol! ���

Il y a des Nigerians qui sont terrible... lol

greyham:
Thank you!

When in Rome do like the Romans, but some people no go ever gree!!

Some will even say the "Roman culture" does not exist

A Question for you big boss:

You suggest that when in Rome, Nigerians have to do like the Romans.
And when the Romans come to Nigeria, do they do things like Nigerians or they still act as in Rome?

SIRTee15:
Hmmm......
Some culture just don't believe in equality, it's a cultural mindset and they carry this orientation wherever they go n seek to have it established...
Just look at the gang grooming culture ravaging uk cities that have significant British Pakistani population.....

As I have said earlier, you can't live in Canada with xenophobic mentality. There will be consequences.
The Ontario ( for Ontario)or Canadian Human rights are very effective in tackling issues dealing with discrimination and racism.

Individuals will always believe what they want to believe but xenophobic mentality will never prevail in Canada.

greyham:
Thank you!

When in Rome do like the Romans, but some people no go ever gree!!

Some will even say the "Roman culture" does not exist

From your posts, it is clear that you don't know much about Canada. Your knowledge about Canada is limited to what you have read.
So it is pointless discussing with you.

EfemenaXY:
Right. So what do you advocate? Stone them to death? Bully them till they commit suicide?

Does a person’s sexuality hinder them from carrying out their duties / performing their jobs?

It’s all about respecting people’s personal choices. How can compare a person’s sexuality to bestiality? As long as no one is harmed then it’s no one’s business.

I have said it earlier that the Canadian culture is about mutual respect.
Therefore, we can't stone a gay person because of his sexual orientation like the white people were killing anyone in Africa who didnt convert into their culture.
We can't discriminate against gays neither because they are protected by the constitution.

However, for you to say Nigerians have a prehistoric mentality because they don't agree with homosexuality is a low self esteem in itself. It is like we have to accept anything the white master dictates. We can no longer choose what is permissible to teach our kids and what isn't.

The stone age mentality is letting other people defining who we are the same way they did in the past.

Yes, our kids should respect everyone.
But we cant let them embrace just anything.

Please guys, say NO when your girl wants to marry another girl or her dog.
Teach your kids that homosexuality is unnacceptable in Africa. And we should be proud of our African heritage.

EfemenaXY:
I couldn’t help but comment after reading this.

Seriously I don’t get some Nigerians! Why hustle to a country if you aren’t prepared to integrate?

Take the (my) workplace for example, where tolerance, equal opportunities, and inclusiveness is actively promoted to portray a workplace that is a reflection of the society we live in. You get Pakistans and Jews, Christians and Muslims, LGBT and heterosexuals, Blacks, Whites, Asians, and mixed race, those with disabilities, basically people of all ethnic, religious, and social backgrounds working together in close-knit teams all for the betterment of the company. As long as you’ve got the qualifications, skills and experience to do the job, then who cares?

Times have changed. We’re all in the 21st century and those with prehistoric mindsets need to get a grip and move on .

White people have gone to all corners of the world and never integrated anywhere. Yet you are ok with this because they are white.
And when Africans refuse strange things like LGBT , you say they have a prehistoric mindsets.

This is just a low self esteem or inferiority complex.
Bestiality is uploading. Very soon we should start teaching our kids that it is okay to have sex with pigs and cows. And whoever doesn't agree with that has a stone age mentality

greyham:
Oh really! Read Mr. Einsteino's post you quoted, I am sure you skipped the part he wrote "Inshort in some parts of the GTA, if you no be indian to see house rent go hard you small."

Does that strike you as equal rights?

Don't confuse equal rights with freedom to express your culture, some cultures don't permit equal rights and that's where the problems arise.

You are already saying a Canadian culture does not exist which is not fair to the native Canadians. I hope you know that country has natives? Would you be happy if a foreigner claims your culture does not exist? No? You just did it to Canadians.

To wrap it up you said freedom of speech and opinion is a fundamental right... and some of your fellow posters here have ticked me off as rude and opinionated

Wonderful.

With respect to the bolded, this is where the Ontario and the Canadian Human Rights commissions come into play. Are you familiar with those agencies?
You can't live in Canada with a culture that doesn't permit equal rights. They will be consequences.

From your post, it seems like the natives are the only Canadians. I hope you know that Canada is a melting pot of different cultures just like Australia, the US or SouthAfrica. It is no longer the land of the native alone. We are all part of this great nation. We are all Canadians.

As for the freedom of speech or opinion, it is also involved mutual respect. You can't be rude or condescending to people just because you have the freedom to Express yourself.

By the way, where are you located?

princfred:
Really? What was she implying then? What was my post then?

This is what he was trying to say:
LGBTQ is a personal choice.
Whether we agree with that or not, we should learn to accept and respect one another.

princfred:
What do you think you think being gay implies? Where did you say you dont support it?

Salford1 was only making a report on LGBTQ without giving his personal opinion

czaratwork:
I am sorry to say it is not only Nigerians that feel inferior with whites. My former landlady (a Jamaican)who has been in this country for more than 35 years gets jittery when she sees whites. I am like, so she has different treatment for people based on their colour. In my workplace too, one of my ogas from Barbados does the same. A colleague from Jamaica was now telling me that it is because she is from Barbados. That jamaicans don't do that. I just smiled at her as i didn't want to waste my time sharing my experience with my jamaican landlady.

My conclusion is that some blacks feel inferior because of their colour. They make up for being black by giving preferential treatments to the whites. I wish i can share my experience in my workplace here now but time is not ripe for it yet. It is not peculiar to Nigerians and once i notice you treat people differently based on their colour, you will not see me near you.

Please share your experience as I am sure it will help many of us.

By the way, can you please explain how your former landlady and colleague would feel jittery around white people

toboy:
Just wondering, what are the reason (s) why you don't agree with homosexuality?

Thank you so much joo2018.
This question is beyond the scope of this thread.


It is all about mutual respect in Canada. So long as I don't harrass homosexual or discriminate against them, no one should ask me why I don't agree with homosexuality.

To agree or not to agree with homosexuality is a personal choice. What matters is mutual respect and acceptance.

Jasmine17:
Another very sensible Nigerian with dignity and zero inferiority complex.

Bravo sir.

Yeah there are many Nigerians with zero inferiority complex on this thread. They have just chosen to remain silent to avoid wahala here.

This thread has just recovered from a brawl not to long ago dealing with marriage issues

einsteino:
Well said! you summarised it aptly, it is racism. And it is so far reaching to the point that even some of those who seem so passionate about our culture and pass of as Afrocentric, are unknowingly guilty of it. You'd see our men stand their ground on gender roles and ready to pull the heavens down for it because according to them it is our culture, but when they date or marry a Caucasian they suddenly no longer mind who does what in the house. When it comes to african women, we have a long list of checkbox and highest standards of physical appearance they must meet but once na oyibo, the skin alone checks all the box. What is interesting is that in the same breath, we would nag about how Europe underdeveloped Africa and how slavery was an irreparable sin... See, na we be our own slave master cos e clear say by default we no dey consistent in our judgement.

Always the double standard...
The judgement is always applied according to the race of a person.
If you are white you shall live else ...

White people never integrate anywhere in the world. They would go different places to make changes. Whereas minorities are even forced to accept and view things like homosexuality, same-sex marriage or transgender as common way of life. Those are things our ancestors knew nothing about.

By the way, as a Canadian citizen I respect gays people even though I dont agree with homosexuality. The Canadian culture is all about dealing with mutual respect even when we don't agree on something.

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einsteino:
Like he said, indians here are fast turning into one of the most successful immigrant group and walahi them no send that when in rome talk. Inshort in some parts of the GTA, if you no be indian to see house rent go hard you small. Even for my work, remain small make i dey learn punjabi because those guys no just send, to them na colony dem come form here not the other way round. They are quietly dominating and still keeping their culture. Heck check the federal cabinet sef, they are there, even wearing their turban despite the fact that some were born and raised in Canada!

It's not in my place to dictate what culture to retain or adopt; who to associate with, and I am not even saying if its right or wrong to... But one thing I have come to notice and I am very certain of is that Nigerians generally have an inferiority complex, one that is unrivaled by other nationalities. To most of us, anything white is right and everything african is dumb... We dont even bother to evaluate it based on its merits and demerits. Its much like how in Nigeria once you are white skinned, you are automatically an expatriate and an authority in whatever field you fancy, even if you are the dumbest being that ever walked the earth.

Canada is a developed country, true but it has a plethora of issues too, every country does... And I have met Caucasians here that even the teenage me had more sense than. But y'all fancy arguments based on authority rather than merits.

Its a personal choice what culture to uphold, heck one can choose to even renounce their nigerian citizenship too... but do not make it seem like one can not retain his culture(at least the good part or what seems more reasonable than the canadian and isnt in conflict with the law) and at the same time enjoy the best Canada has to offer, and still go on to offer your best to Canada too. It is not wise to argue or suggest that. Waves of immigration has occurred in different parts of the world in past centuries and there are an abundance of examples were the immigrants didnt "do like the romans" or had to return home as a result. when the immigrants were Caucasians the reverse was often the case. Heck till date white south africans have done almost nothing to integrate !

I have been saying this for ages.
When people say if you don't like something about Canada you are free to leave, this is pure racism given that it only applies to visible minorities.
Some people expect minorities to integrate or adjust into the "Canadian culture" which to my opinion doesn't exist given that Canada is a melting pot of different cultures.
However, when it comes to white people, when they don't like something they have the right to voice their opinion and seek change so that the system can fit into their way of life.
The most tragic thing is that some minority like @Greyam are buying this microaggression suggesting Canada is for white only and any non-white is a second class citizen

@Greyman, Canada is a country that prones for equal rights. I believe telling someone to return to Nigeria for voicing is opinion is discrimination given that you will never say the same thing to a caucasian. You are the one who is not abiding by the Canadian way by discriminating against a group of people that is protected by the Canadian constitution.
Freedom of speech and opinion is a fundamental right of every Canadian and not just for white people.
If you don't like it, there's nothing you can do.

Smhaykins:
I av bin denied once...I registered my passport as single....am now planning to reapply with same passport as married, since am applying with my wife n kid.

my question z do I have a chance since av not traveled before, I only av a stamp of Benin republic on my passport.. if asked whether av travelled before... can I say yes DAT av gone to Benin republic... or I shud just say no since its a neighboring country.

my salary z five digits...must I go with statement DAT shows my salary... or I can present another statements DAT has my name and prove strong financial activities

Seriously

hope22today:
Please how do you deal with a man that is making life unbearable for you.how is the Seperation process here

I know how it works in some European countries having lived there for some years but not sure how it works here

Some men are just so horrible to live with

Here where? Nigeria or Canada?