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prettythicksme:
I don't get wat u talking about inbox

prettythicksme:
I dont get

prettythicksme:
Because what?

prettythicksme:
No,y asking?

prettythicksme:
Morning sir

prettythicksme:
awon werey 1000percent

Oyind17:
Go and sleep

I doubt if she's a nlder

TWoods:
I read this "example" at least three times to make sure i did not miss anything. What was the justification for assuming that the government was wrong to have considered the white males better qualified? Were you privy to the resumes of all 5 candidates? Why do you automatically ascribe some form of "discrimination" to this case if you have no evidence to support it? The black lady who got to the final stage of the recruitment process must have beaten out several other white men and women, are you claiming she was only put into that stage as a stooge?

claremont:
Discrimination is discrimination, regardless of whether it's overt or covert. The person who ''perceives'' the discrimination can either choose to ignore it, or fight against it; ignoring it on the pretext of trying to be a good team player automatically means that you are a part of the problem. It means that such practices wouldn't change, because the person on the receiving end believes that it's a normal part of being a team player. There is no such thing as being hypersensitive if a person believes that he/she has been treated unfairly, such a person is well within his/her rights to complain.

I will give an example of an applicant to a government job that just occurred here in the UK, and it was all over the news as well - a popular government TV station wanted to recruit 4 directors; and 5 people got to the final stage of the recruitment, 4 white males and 1 black female. The government chose to recruit the 4 white males for the 4 open slots, and when asked to justify their choices, the government said that the 4 white males were better qualified than the lone black female. That doesn't sound right to any rational person, and it doesn't instill confidence in highly-qualified black and ethnic minority groups who aim for the best government jobs.

In addition, comparing discrimination to the tribalism and nepotism some people face in Nigeria is a moot point, because we don't live in Nigeria. We are talking about issues that are prevalent in the country we call home, and of which we pay our taxes. Tribalism, nepotism, racism, discrimination are all wrong, and we should have the balls to call it what it is. However, it makes no rational sense for us to turn a blind eye to the one existing in the country we live in, just because the other happens to exist in a country we were born in.

I agree with your wider point that naturalized citizens should rise above it and aim to be the best in their careers, and it's a point I have always advocated. That doesn't mean that we should ignore subjective bias just because we receive a mess of pottage on a daily basis, it's absolutely important that we not only talk about it, but also rebel against it regardless of whether it's perceived or real. If we don't ultimately benefit from speaking out, we hope that our black and ethnic minority colleagues who come after us will benefit from our activism.

Finally, subjective bias shouldn't be used an excuse for a highly-educated naturalized citizen to rest on his/her oars in achievement of career goals, it should actually be a spur. Personally, I have always worked in an environment were I was the only black person, and even more so, a black African. I have travelled with my white colleagues to most countries in 4 continents, with the exception of Australia; but, my white colleagues know that I don't take shee-it when it comes to making snide comments about my origin and/or accent. So it should be.

maternal:
If you apply to be a pharmacists with just a high school diploma you're not a victim, you're just an idiot. Stop it.

prettythicksme:
Happy new year

prettythicksme:
I swear

TWoods:
Yes i do have a good relationship with my work colleagues. We travel on business together, we take lunches together, we work on projects together majority of the time, we have frequent happy hours or attend private parties hosted by each other... all of them are white, natural born US citizens. We joke about our selves, but we do so respectfully.

Don't get me wrong, i am not saying that subjective bias does not occur in the work place but oftentimes the problem we minorities tend to have is we are hypersensitive to perceived discrimination. So we read meanings to innocent questions and get defensive, assuming that everyone is out to get us on account of our skin color, accent or countries of origin. My colleagues sometimes find funny memes on Nigeria or they may run into a topic on Nigeria they are curious about, they send it to me... we discuss. I find memes about their own heritage too, i send it to them, we discuss... and get on with our jobs. No offense taken. If you command respect in your workplace, people will treat you with respect.

I absolutely disagree that naturalized Americans are treated differently from natural born citizens. I wasn't even an immigrant for many of the years i lived and worked here... yet i never felt anyone treated me differently because of that. Everyone knows i am Nigerian first and foremost... i'm proud of it. Anyone who doesn't like that fact can kick rocks.

Chapecoense:
He is back in Nigeria now... and my mum was so happy to see her son again. Joy was all over his eyes. Suprisingly to us, He is a changed person now. And my joy is that he no longer has that stubborn and get rich quick mentality.. He says he does not want big money that he will find his feet again and live a normal life.
He will go and report back to the organisation that assisted his return, where he will be trained on any business or skill of his choice.
He said Europe is not like how it used to be and that it's very tough for illegals.. He said he would sit all day on the ground begging for alms, no jobs no documents, someone will even walk up to him and tell him to leave his begging spot... He further said people are waiting 2 years 5 years 6 years for interview on their status yet nothing..
In his words
"I cannot waste my life like this, people run mad every time be cos of frustration.. you remain stucked with nothing.. Italy won't deport u but will make life miserably unbearable. I was very desperate be cos of the situation and I wanted to do drugs, until I see someone sentenced to 10 years, I had a rethought."
He said he won't advice anybody or even his enemy to a pass through the desert to go and suffer in Europe, That he has learnt his lessons the hard way and he is incredibly grateful to God for keeping him alive as he recounted his ordeal in Libya.
He was able to bring some money to start up something and I was very happy be cos this is someone who never liked the idea of business in the first place.. His sense of reasoning has completely changed.. and despite my fears that he was going to lavish all his money upon return, he proved me wrong.
I'm grateful to everybody here that offered advice and help idea one way or the other GOD bless you.
NB I didn't write this to discourage people from travelling to Europe, but if u reading this and u are planning on going to a country through the back doors, you might want to reconsider.. It is the hard truth and this is what people won't tell you.

maternal:
Thank you. Though it obviously exist. My former Cameroon friend would claim a white guy was racist towards him, due to the way the white guy looked at him. He was crazy man.

TWoods:
To be honest, I think this was a passive aggressive and totally unnecessary confrontation with someone who was probably just trying to start a friendly conversation. I'm also fairly up the income/social ladder here myself and i often get the "where are you from" question from most people. The lady was correct, it's impossible for anyone born and raised in the US to have the sort of accent like yours so it was a fair question. There was no need for your response. It's ok to simply state that you were born African but a naturalized US citizen. We joke about it in my office here, people try really hard to say my name and i tease them by scoring them on points based on who can say the name the best. We all have a good laugh and that's it. I work with 99.9% whites and have never felt any disrespect on account of my name or accent (which people think ranges from English to Jamaican).

If you search desperately for bias or bigotry, you will find it.

TWoods:
Not dismissing your experience by any means but can we really compare the quality of medical education in Nigeria and Canada? Is a Nigerian medical license equivalent expertise to a Canadian? Of course if I ran a hospital here, I'd expect a Nigerian doctor to have obtained some additional education and experience here before I can employ him.

maternal:
This all depends on each individuals experience and perception of life. I'm a black man who lives in Canada so I can only give my experience. To begin with a lot of the native Indian reserves are autonomous. Some mismanage their own resources, though there's racism in Canada for sure, especially towards them. As a black man in Canada, there's racism, usually subtle, but if you work hard, know the right people and network; you can overcome it. But some (usually the loser unsuccessful blacks) in Canada will spend all their energy crying racism claiming that's why they haven't succeeded, making it sound like the police are killing blacks like in America and all blacks are living in the streets. Yet if you ask them to renounce their citizenship and grab a 1 way flight back home, they wouldn't. The fact is a white person here treats them better than their own fellow African back home. The fact is the government recognizes racism, and attempts to reduce it as you'll never eliminate racism. The Congo winning his court case shows recognition. When Trump called for the borders to be closed, our PM admitted a lot of Syrian refugees and was at the airport to great them personally. I personally know Nigerians who are Engineers, doctors, working in Parliament, etc, in Canada. Remember the black population in Canada is around 3 percent of the total population in the country, and we still hold very key positions in society. To me that's impressive.


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/devon-clunis-retire-donut-1.3668606

https://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2015/05/20/mark-saunders-to-be-sworn-in-as-toronto-police-chief.html

https://news.ontario.ca/profiles/en/mitzie-hunter?_ga=1.257514818.815125228.1469362055

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadian-politics/free-tuition-in-ontario-doesnt-mean-there-are-no-costs-wynne

You have police chief(s) and the Ontario minister of education who are black. And Ontario which has the highest amount of black residents in Canada will begin paying for students tuition who's family household income is 83k or less. What a racist country !

dasparrow:
I have never for once imagined Canada to be a country where there is no racism. Anywhere the whites are, there is bound to be some racism. I once stumbled on a newspaper article online written by a white Canadian where he argued that racism maybe even worse in Canada and he cited examples of how white Canada treats her indigenous population namely the first nation Amerindians poorly. The article spoke of how first nation citizens live on reserves mapped out for them and the poverty they face. So I always knew discrimination exists in Canada's society. Would you like to share some of your experiences with us what it is like living as an immigrant or minority in Canada?

Originalsly:
That's what I was getting at. ... not impossible....but in this 2016... it is highly unlikely for you to enter developed countries with fake passports. .....too much technologies. ..checks and cross checks...constantly being upgraded... what worked last year can't work this year.

lindaayim:
very great write up. Honestly, there have been instances where i questioned the privileges of my citizenship. like in certain federal jobs and managerial positions in private american firms. I'm an american (naturalized) but i see my country as a collection of different nationals-Chinese, Indians, Mexicans, Nigerians etc etc claiming the tile american in lip service but in reality are Chinese living in america, Mexicans in america. this does differ if i were to be native born. just to buffer my point and i may be wrong. i am not everywhere in the USA but i have never met a Nigerian born immigrant (immigrant in from early 20s) who is in the police force. i have been told by several naturalized Nigerians that they never got accepted into the police force no reason given.

gentleiphy:
In my own opinion,i think the Americans-white and to some extent the African Americans even despise immigrants from other developing nations like Nigeria.However it doesn't make sense to give someone citizenship and then turn around to deny him or her some rights and jobs...I would say Canada is better in that aspect and reason being that Canada is a country of whole loads of immigrants so the federal job denials is not evident as the immigrants out numbered even the supposedly born Canadians...a permanent resident regardless of which country he comes from who has stayed up to 3yrs even without being a citizen can apply to the police force and get the job...

indianteddy007:
GOOD MORNING FAMILY... I JUST GOT MY VISA WITH MY TWO KIDS... TRANSCRIPT COMING SOON... I WORE MY UNIFORM AND THEY ALSO WORE THEIRS TOO... THANK YOU SO MUCH HOUSE

Handsomecutepie:
I don't believe this...

It seems she is taking me for a fool

Steez009:
Hello sir,, I'm Nigerian,, my girlfriend is American we met on the Internet,, we've never seen each other before.. She wants to invite to the US to celebrate Christmas with her and her family,, I'm working but my salary ain't much but she has a good job and earns a good salary.. Can she invite me If she proves that she can take care of me while I'm there would it work??

abujaniv:
You entirely misunderstand the documents you are quoting.

Incidental studies are non-degree programs that are recreational and avocational in nature - such as taking a one-week culinary course while traveling through New Orleans. Programs like these do not offer I-20s.

Your children's purpose of travel in this case would be to enroll in schools (they are not seeking medical care), and any primary or secondary school would require an F-1 visa. There is no legal way to enroll your children in public primary schools on a B1/B2 or even F-1 visa. In some situations, students can be issued F-1 visas for one-year of public secondary school, but only with the subsidized reimbursement to the school district. For private schools, an F-1 visa and I-20 are required for all ages.

Read the following:


9 FAM 402.5-5(J)(2) Elementary School Students

a. Only children qualified for a derivative nonimmigrant classification through a principal alien parent may attend a publicly funded elementary school. No public elementary schools or school systems are approved by SEVP to issue Form I-20 for attendance in F-1 status by children in kindergarten through grade eight. However, any student of school age (kindergarten-grade 12) who is otherwise qualified may receive an F-1 visa under INA 101(a)(15)(F)(i) to attend a private elementary school.

9 FAM 402.5-5(K)(2) Secondary School

a. INA 214(m) restricts, but does not prohibit, the issuance of F-1 visas to students seeking to attend public high schools. Secondary school is deemed to be grades 9-12. As of November 30, 1996, two new additional criteria were imposed on intending F-1 students at public high schools:

(1) They cannot attend such school for more than 12 months; and

(2) They must repay the school system for the full, unsubsidized, per capita cost of providing the education to him or her.

b. You may not issue an F-1 visa for attendance at a public high school if the length of study indicated on the Form I-20 exceeds the 12-month cumulative period permitted under INA 214(m). F-1 visas issued to attend public secondary schools must be limited to 12 months.

c. It is important to remember that public secondary school attendance in a status other than F-1 (including unlawful status) does not count against the 12-month limit, nor does attendance in F-1 status prior to November 30, 1996.


Children on B1/B2 visas are not allowed or entitled to enroll in private or public school. Period.

You are not going to the U.S. to be a missionary. You are going for medical care. Enrolling in schools on a B1/B2 visa is not appropriate.

If you enroll your children in schools while on a B1/B2 visa, your visa can/will be revoked, as will the visas of your children.

OmoBendel24:
Some folks actually seek these info to all good intent for friends and family members in my opinion. However, the BULK of persons seeking this help for friends are either doing so for themselves or for some 'agenty' purpose. So, no beef, we know, we watch! I believe overlord77's post for laughs above is in tandem with and reflects the second category of person

zoomzu:
Glory! My family of 4 got our visas approved July 28. So many families and singles were denied, so many got theirs approved. Thank God we got ours approved. I will share our transcripts soon!