MzNelly:


Sorry, are you a Muslim? Your moniker?

You believe in God? Allah?

Thanks. I'll check it out.

Lol. It's really funny when people assume I'm moslem because of my moniker.

[s]Being a mallam does not signify having the moslem faith...[/s]

You know I actually typed the above because I assumed mallam were from the north. Assumption, but not sure. Then I crosschecked google and viola, I was wrong!

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Mallam is an honorific title given to Islamic scholars in Africa (see Mawlānā for usage and etymology).

To even think I had erroneously explained myself on previous Nairaland threads and was believed by people without checking out the facts is baffling.

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OK. I'm not a moslem. The moniker was created in allegiance to Buhari's presidential campaign, ergo Daura. I was born into the JW faith. The book that actually messed up my mind about the JW doctrines were Mankind's Search for God, All Dan Brown Novels, and the Internet.

Here below was a comment I posted in 2009, with my first Nairaland account:

collins123:
I went to a bookshop few months ago and someone introduced the book, The Da Vinci Code to me. Been a lover of suspense and thriller novels, I had no choice than 2 buy the book for a whopping sum of 1,500 Naira.

The crazy part of this what what the dubious book was concocted with. In it (with surprisingly believable evidences ) were references claiming these facts.

1 - That Jesus Christ was not the son of God
2 - That he had a wife ( professed to be Mary Magdalene)which he had sexual relations with and the had kids.
3 - That his heirs have lived on after his death and can be traced to France.

And a lot more others that I can't say here. After reading the whole book (which I was tempted to; mind you the story line was as hot as hell, suspense filled) I wanted to watch the movie.Well I don satisfy my curiosity and so far my conclusions are :

The 'Da Vinci Code' is an attempt by forces of evil to smear the forces of light. It is a grand plan to sow seed of doubt in uncertain minds. The tactics is to grab those who are lukewarm christian and arm them with seed of doubt thereby preventing them from reaching the light. The longer objective is to create more candidates for hell.

I have watch documentaries on Discovery Channel, National Geography, and History Channel and all revealed the conspiracy theories behind the books that led to the movies. They were all based on lies and fabrications.

The Dan Vinci Code is for agnostics, atheists, and those who don't believe in the christian faith. That book is not good for weak Christians. I need anyone who have read this book, watch the movie or willing to join this discussion.

Extensively, you can know more without buying the book by visiting : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Davinci_Code

I'd also be willing to share the DVD with anyone who wanna watch. But one word of caution : You have the right to believe what you think it is the right thing. Peace Pie

menesheh:


Bro not that way. He said something which is obviously true but you have to give him reasons why it is like that. For example, "the post can't be small because of the topic"
Looks a little bit jerk sounding this way.

I find plessure reading it doesn't prevent the fact that it is long.
Shaa nice one.

Liked and noted.

MzNelly:


The problem with you Johnny is that you always try to rope me into an argument, even when I'm obviously not in the mood.

Seems you're lucky today. Let's argue on the existence of God.
But I beg you, be classy about it. If you run your mouth anyhow, it's over between us.

Proof of God's existence:
Life did not and cannot arise spontaneously from lifeless material. This is in complete agreement with scientific laws and experimental tests. The laws of statistics, entropy, calculations from thermodynamics and kinetics all converge on the conclusion that spontaneous generation of life cannot occur. It just does not happen.
Ever wondered why life does not exist on Mars or other planets on its own? Just like that?

This just got interesting. But, for obvious reasons, maybe you shouldn't start by questioning the validity of God itself.

That's like the PhD of everything. johnydon22 take it slow. Guide, don't enforce.

I've realized it's very hard for non readers (especially those that are faulty in indepedent thinking and analysis) to grab the questioning god's concept.

MzNelly, if you really want to enjoy arguments for self developing reasons. and not to rub off Sunday time, then here you go: How to Win Every Argument: The Use and Abuse of Logic by Madsen Pirie

I have the pdf version, if you care.

Or better still, here is a thread I created to simplify the basics of arguments.

https://www.nairaland.com/2506120/introduction-logical-reasoning-fallacies-all

MzNelly:


You want God stand before you and say "I exist" for you to remove any traces of doubt from your mind?

They're tons of things you and I don't see, but we believe they exist because we feel proof of their existence.

Have you, for once, tried to search for proof of God's existence?
No, right?

And yet when I say you don't believe there is a God, you write notes to confuse yourself on your aforementioned stance.

MzNelly, ex JW convict here.

You've done well trying to critically think about your religious upbringing. But I fear this is the beginning of more knowledge and scrutiny to come.

The first step is to ask questions, and not follow a conclusion based on faith. I believe you are on the right part, you have tasted this and it has broaden your horizon. This is just the beginning.

i leave you with this quotes:

'Believe nothing no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and common sense.' - Buddha

'Sometimes people don't want to hear the truth because they don't want their illusions destroyed.' - Friedrich Nietzsche

Reality is complicated. There is no justification for all of the hasty conclusions.” ― Hideki Yukawa

There are a lot more, but I need you to ponder on these.

And oh, you need to read a lot of books. Books to gather knowledge about how and why the world is what it is. I'm not even talking about evolution books. I'm talking History, Astrology, Ancient scrolls and all. They were written by humans like you. Don't belittle yourself.

READ and emancipate your brain from mental slavery.

I'm glad you're familiar with the concept of cognitive dissonance. Let it be your guide.

I almost got baptized at 18. Glad I didn't make that mistake.

This thread reeks of tribalism

This is what happens.



Fuji singer, Wasiu Alabi Pasuma is the special guest artiste at a three-day outdoor crusade organized by The Redeemed Christian Church Of God (RCCG), Lagos Province 20.

The singer will mount the stage at the event scheduled for October 23 to 25 at the notorious Lagos Island neighbourhood of Martins Street around Oluwole Car Park, Lagos.

Popular gospel singer, Tope Alabi is another guest artiste scheduled to perform at the three-day outdoor event.

johnydon22:
Sorry bro ...lol.. I meant 18Billion not million. . . see mistake!!! you know i never knew it was million i wrote

Double mistake. No points for you.

johnydon22:
Voyager 1 is now at 18million kilometers away from earth ..Haven't even left our solar system... took this photograph of earth..

Actually, no.

This picture was taken in 1990.

Pale Blue Dot is a photograph of planet Earth taken on February 14, 1990, by the Voyager 1 space probe from a record distance of about 6 billion kilometers (3.7 billion miles, 40.5 AU), as part of the Family Portrait series of images of the Solar System.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_Blue_Dot

johnydon22:
A wonderfully beautiful one my brother. . I only wish people knew the vastness of just the solar system talk less of the milky way or our local cluster forget the universe. . If they recognized the vastness of what is they will be humbled..

I have always affirmed that "The wealth of this world is not in what we take from it but what we give it because frankly we are the planet"

Here is a more beautifully designed and moving version!!

https://vimeo.com/127007297

fiftynaira:
Airforce 1


Ur album u never still cook am finish Abi kerosine finish?
Come and see ur mates

Airforce1 is a noise maker.

Ideas are meaningless, execution is everything.

johnydon22:
Lol..Man don't just realize how almost it seems we don't exist..The earth is just a pale tiny spec of dust.. a look of our solar system suspended in this supercluster of cloud, dust stars and planets..our sun is no more than just a tiny dot..thats why when i see people in their ego regard themselves better than other life forms in this planet, i just laugh and SHM If only they knew

The earth is just a small stage in a vast cosmic arena" Carl sagan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYtXoUZbUCQ

The spacecraft was a long way from home.

I thought it would be a good idea, just after Saturn, to have them take one last glance homeward. From Saturn, the Earth would appear too small for Voyager to make out any detail. Our planet would be just a point of light, a lonely pixel hardly distinguishable from the other points of light Voyager would see: nearby planets, far off suns. But precisely because of the obscurity of our world thus revealed, such a picture might be worth having.

It had been well understood by the scientists and philosophers of classical antiquity that the Earth was a mere point in a vast, encompassing cosmos—but no one had ever seen it as such. Here was our first chance, and perhaps also our last for decades to come.

So, here they are: a mosaic of squares laid down on top of the planets in a background smattering of more distant stars. Because of the reflection of sunlight off the spacecraft, the Earth seems to be sitting in a beam of light, as if there were some special significance to this small world; but it's just an accident of geometry and optics. There is no sign of humans in this picture: not our reworking of the Earth's surface; not our machines; not ourselves. From this vantage point, our obsession with nationalisms is nowhere in evidence. We are too small. On the scale of worlds, humans are inconsequential: a thin film of life on an obscure and solitary lump of rock and metal.

Consider again that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it, everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you've ever heard of, every human being who ever was lived out their lives. The aggregate of all our joys and sufferings; thousands of confident religions, ideologies and economic doctrines; every hunter and forager; every hero and coward; every creator and destroyer of civilizations; every king and peasant, every young couple in love; every mother and father; hopeful child; inventor and explorer; every teacher of morals; every corrupt politician; every supreme leader; every superstar; every saint and sinner in the history of our species, lived there—on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.

The Earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena.

Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of this pixel on the scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner. How frequent their misunderstandings; how eager they are to kill one another; how fervent their hatreds. Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that in glory and triumph they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot. Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged position in the universe, are challenged by this point of pale light.

Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity—in all this vastness—there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves. Like it or not, for the moment, the Earth is where we make our stand.

It has been said that astronomy is a humbling and character-building experience. There is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. It underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly with one another, and to preserve and cherish the only home we've ever known.

The pale blue dot.

This is an excerpt from Carl Sagan's Pale Blue Dot: A Vision of the Human Future in Space. It talks about the photo of the same name, Pale Blue Dot, taken by Voyager I on February 14, 1990.

Audio book:
https://piratebay.to/torrent/1911847/Pale.Blue.Dot.-.Carl.Sagan

eBook available on request.

menesheh:



She don't believe in jesus, why should she, give me your best reason why she need jesus?

Lol. It's a satirical response. I don't believe in Jesus either.

And this one is for you

[img]http://2.bp..com/-r0RyCYMMpzc/UNsiSdN2NjI/AAAAAAAANp0/n7lbRvyi9AQ/s320/tumblr_m8lhjp9e5Y1r4j97go1_500.jpg[/img]

Mature initiative!!!

Where are you based?

MizMyColi:
If you know what opium is and how addictive it is, you'll understand how inseparable religion is from the masses.

You need Jesus. lol.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theories_about_religions

politician:
Seeing this really makes me ponder on the gradual loss of traditional and cultural values in the society.

The era when neighbors really care about each other.
when you accept food from people without having Bias thoughts.
When the windows have no frame or guards
When your mother send you to join other kids to eat Sara and rub your hands on the host with intention of good tidings.
When Masquerade and followers remain mute while passing in front of churches and mosques in show of mutual respect.
When as a christian, you celebrate Muslim festivals with friends and vice versa.


The societal Values that really defines us as a people is fast eroding and its really painful.

It's called EVOLUTION. It's the natural order of things.

If you don't want them forgotten, write about them in books and movies. Create endearing pieces of art tat will always make you remember them. Resurrect our museum culture, not talking gibberish on the internet invented through the same evolution.

You really think by 2050 people will still be using 4G? That's evolutionary change. Deal with it and stop whining like a typical Nigerian.

Don't tell me you never paid attention during your science classes.

Osisie:
JESUS is more popular than Coca Cola. HE always makes the news.

Why do u waste time and effort trying to disprove HIS Authority?

U do not with this same passion disprove the authority of the others u mentioned....but The LOVING JESUS.

One day HE'll come for u HIMSELF.
Cos no matter how much words are exchanged, u may NEVER believe.

I don't even have facts to back up my believe unlike the brother above me. But I just believe....it's something I can't explain. And u can't possibly understand.

Stay Blessed, Brother.

Why did you follow me?

Op, what you did was right and just.

There is no God, (that I know of) and there is no devil.

Desist from such conclusions when being morally upright.

omoharry:
you are definitely not a sound person..if you are you would know how to choose your word wisely when commenting on a public forum...do us a favour and keep quiet if you have nothing sensible to say....and stop being a nuisance in this forum.

Still cherry picking, eh?

So you've left the main argument to attack my personality. It's a well known fallacy/arguments' trick, also known as Ad Hominem

If you wish to enlarge your knowledge, here is a link that explains it better.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

Now back to our argument, have I made sense enough (to you) or you still need clarification on some areas?

Goddygee:
So lng this issue does nt affect the price of garri in the market nor olosho, it NOMB (Non of My bizness)

Typical Nigerian.

It will soon be your business.

omoharry:
A typical black man you said..including you( if you happen to be one) they are good for nothing...but making noise and dancing and marrying women....GOD IN HEAVEN-----this are racial hateful word used by white South Africans ( called the BOAS) they used it to describe the black Africans and the need to see then as sub human back then...and you with your arrogance have the nerve to bring this rubbish to a black forum...are you high on something or what....so the Like of the Dangotes...the Elumelus'..the Martin Luther King , Chinua Achebe, Nelson Mandela ,Desmond Tutu,Mohammed Ali and many others..so these great black men that have affected the world positively were all good for nothing , dancing and marrying women..is n't it??...if you are white your hate for the black man is despicable..you cant even hide it but if you are a black man then i am ashamed of you and feel very sorry for your low self esteem. Goodness. dont ever quote any racial comment and bring it up here to offend our sensibility..this is not a white mans forum pls...

Lol, still cherry picking, right?

Idi Amin, Robert Mugabe, Ibrahim Bambangida, MO Abiola, Abumbi II, (the 11th fon, or king, of Bafut, Cameroon, has close to 100 wives.), Mswati III, current King of Swaziland has over 25 wives and so forth..

If you quote me again, I will send your reasoning back to kindergarten.

Spits.

omoharry:
Take your racia comment out of this forum...that is if you are a white person.. but if you are a black man..then i feel very sorry for you for your self esteem has striped off from you by the western world...your comment rick of inferiority complex.

You are the racist here and I see nothing wrong about telling the truth. You are the one who choose the racial message, and left the other message (which was even more important to this topic).

Let me re-expatiate, racist:

"[s]By now every one of us has seen it practically that the Blacks cannot rule themselves. Give them guns and they will kill each other. [/s]They are good in nothing else but making noise, dancing, marrying many wives and indulging in sex. [s]Let us all accept that the Blackman is a symbol of poverty, mental inferiority, laziness and emotional incompetence...[/s]"

P.W. Botha

Now, kindly ignore the lined words and slowly read the bolded.

Typical black man. Always cherry picking words in everything.

starlingslimnet:
Try harder next time

How do you mean? The part of your brain that processes information has shut down again, abi?

As a non-christian, I am approaching this topic purely as an interested observer. I am assuming half of the people who read this will automatically say the claims are false and the other half will say they are true. The truth I found is that it is difficult to know for sure.Here are ten of the figures often sited:

10 Buddha
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gautama_Buddha

Both went to their temples at the age of twelve, where they are said to have astonished all with their wisdom. Both supposedly fasted in solitude for a long time: Buddha for forty–seven days and Jesus for forty. Both wandered to a fig tree at the conclusion of their fasts. Both were about the same age when they began their public ministry:“When he [Buddha] went again to the garden he saw a monk who was calm, tranquil, self–possessed, serene, and dignified. The prince, determined to become such a monk, was led to make the great renunciation. At the time he was twenty–nine years of age… “Jesus, when he began his ministry, was about thirty years of age.” (Luke 3:23). Both were tempted by the “devil” at the beginning of their ministry: To Buddha, he said: “Go not forth to adopt a religious life but return to your kingdom, and in seven days you shall become emperor of the world, riding over the four continents.” To Jesus, he said: “All these [kingdoms of the world] I will give you, if you fall down and worship me” (Matthew 4:9). Buddha answered the “devil”: “Get you away from me.”Jesus responded: “…begone, Satan!” (Matthew 4:10). Both strove to establish a kingdom of heaven on earth. According to the Somadeva (a Buddhist holy book), a Buddhist ascetic’s eye once offended him, so he plucked it out and cast it away. Jesus said: “If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out, and throw it away;.” (Matthew 5:29).

9 Krishna
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krishna

According to Bhagavata Purana some believe that Krishna was born without a sexual union, by “mental transmission” from the mind of Vasudeva into the womb of Devaki, his mother. Christ and Krishna were called both God and the Son of God. Both were sent from heaven to earth in the form of a man. Both were called Savior, and the second person of the Trinity. Krishna’s adoptive human father was also a carpenter. A spirit or ghost was their actual father. Krishna and Jesus were of royal descent. Both were visited at birth by wise men and shepherds, guided by a star. Angels in both cases issued a warning that the local dictator planned to kill the baby and had issued a decree for his assassination. The parents fled. Mary and Joseph stayed in Muturea; Krishna’s parents stayed in Mathura. Both Christ and Krishna withdrew to the wilderness as adults, and fasted. Both were identified as “the seed of the woman bruising the serpent’s head.” Jesus was called “the lion of the tribe of Judah.” Krishna was called “the lion of the tribe of Saki.” Both claimed: “I am the Resurrection.” Both were “without sin.” Both were god-men: being considered both human and divine. Both performed many miracles, including the healing of disease. One of the first miracles that both performed was to make a leper whole. Each cured “all manner of diseases.” Both cast out indwelling demons, and raised the dead. Both selected disciples to spread his teachings. Both were meek, and merciful. Both were criticized for associating with sinners. Both celebrated a last supper. Both forgave his enemies. Both were crucified and both were resurrected.

8 Odysseus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odysseus

Homeric tales about Odysseus emphasize his suffering life, just as in Mark Jesus said that he, too, would suffer greatly. Odysseus is a carpenter like Jesus, and he wants to return his home just as Jesus wants to be welcomed in his native home and later to God’s home in Jerusalem. Odysseus is plagued with unfaithful and dim-witted companions who display tragic flaws. They stupidly open a magic bag of wind while Odysseus sleeps and release terrible tempests which prevent their return home. These sailors are comparable to Jesus’ disciples, who disbelieve Jesus, ask foolish questions, and show general ignorance about everything. It’s amazing that either Odysseus or Jesus ever manage to accomplish anything, given the companions they have, but this simply demonstrates the power and ability of the one true leader who has a divine mandate to lead the people out of darkness and into a brighter future.

7 Romulus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romulus_and_Remus

Romulus is born of a vestal virgin, which was a priestess of the hearth god Vesta sworn to celibacy. His mother claims that the divine impregnated her, yet this is not believed by the King. Romulus and his twin brother, Remus, are tossed in the river and left for dead. (A “slaughter of the innocents” tale which parallels that of Matthew 2:13-16). Romulus is hailed as the son of god. He is “snatched away to heaven” by a whirlwind (It is assumed that the gods took him), and he makes post mortem appearances. In his work Numa Pompilius, Plutarch records that there was a darkness covering the earth before his death (Just as there was during Jesus’ death according to Mark 15:33). He also states that Romulus is to be know afterwards as ‘Quirinus’; A god which belonged to the Archiac Triad (a “triple deity” similar to the concept of the Trinity).

6 Dionysus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dionysus

Dionysus was born of a virgin on December 25 and, as the Holy Child, was placed in a manger. He was a traveling teacher who performed miracles. He “rode in a triumphal procession on an ass.” He was a sacred king killed and eaten in an eucharistic ritual for fecundity and purification. Dionysus rose from the dead on March 25. He was the God of the Vine, and turned water into wine. He was called “King of Kings” and “God of Gods.” He was considered the “Only Begotten Son,” Savior,” “Redeemer,” “Sin Bearer,” Anointed One,” and the “Alpha and Omega.” He was identified with the Ram or Lamb. His sacrificial title of “Dendrites” or “Young Man of the Tree” intimates he was hung on a tree or crucified.

5 Heracles
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heracles

Heracles is the Son of a god (Zeus). It is recorded that Zeus is both the father and great-great- great grandfather of Heracles, just as Jesus is essentially his own grandpa, being both “The root and offspring of David” (Revelation 22:16) as he is part of the triune God which is the father of Adam and eventually of Jesus. Both are doubly related to the Supreme God.Diodorus writes that,”For as regards the magnitude of the deeds which he accomplished it is generally agreed that Heracles has been handed down as one who surpassed all men of whom memory from the beginning of time has brought down an account; consequently it is a difficult attainment to report each one of his deeds in a worthy manner and to present a record which shall be on a level with labours so great, the magnitude of which won for him the prize of immortality.”Jesus is also said to have done a very large number of good works. John 21:25 says that: “Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.”Hera tries to kill Heracles as an infant by sending two serpents after him, yet Heracles survives by strangling them. This parallels Herod’s slaughter of the innocents in an attempt to kill Jesus (Matthew 2:13-16).Heracles makes a descent into Hades and returns from it with Theseus and Peirithoüs, just as Jesus descends into the “lower parts of the earth” or Hades (Ephesians 4:7-; Though Jesus does not bring anyone up from it. Heracles’ body is not found and he is assumed to have been taken by the gods:”After this, when the companions of Iolaüs came to gather up the bones of Heracles and found not a single bone anywhere, they assumed that, in accordance with the words of the oracle, he had passed from among men into the company of the gods.”

4 Glycol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glycon

In the middle of the 100s AD, out along the south coast of the Black Sea, Glycon was the son of the God Apollo, who: came to Earth through a miraculous birth, was the Earthly manifestation of divinity, came to earth in fulfillment of divine prophecy, gave his chief believer the power of prophecy, gave believers the power to speak in tongues, performed miracles, healed the sick, and raised the dead.

3 Zoroaster/Zarathustra
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoroaster

Zoroaster was born of a virgin and “immaculate conception by a ray of divine reason.” He was baptized in a river. In his youth he astounded wise men with his wisdom. He was tempted in the wilderness by the devil. He began his ministry at age 30. Zoroaster baptized with water, fire and “holy wind.” He cast out demons and restored the sight to a blind man. He taught about heaven and hell, and revealed mysteries, including resurrection, judgment, salvation and the apocalypse. He had a sacred cup or grail. He was slain. His religion had a eucharist. He was the “Word made flesh.” Zoroaster’s followers expected a “second coming” in the virgin-born Saoshynt or Savior, who is to come in 2341 AD and begin his ministry at age 30, ushering in a golden age.

2 Attis of Phrygia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attis

Attis was born on December 25 of the Virgin Nana. He was considered the savior who was slain for the salvation of mankind. His body as bread was eaten by his worshippers. He was both the Divine Son and the Father. On “Black Friday,” he was crucified on a tree, from which his holy blood ran down to redeem the earth. He descended into the underworld. After three days, Attis was resurrected.

1 Horus
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horus

Born of a virgin, Isis. Only begotten son of the God Osiris. Birth heralded by the star Sirius, the morning star. Ancient Egyptians paraded a manger and child representing Horus through the streets at the time of the winter solstice (about DEC-21). In reality, he had no birth date; he was not a human. Death threat during infancy: Herut tried to have Horus murdered. Handling the threat: The God That tells Horus’ mother “Come, thou goddess Isis, hide thyself with thy child.” An angel tells Jesus’ father to: “Arise and take the young child and his mother and flee into Egypt.” Break in life history: No data between ages of 12 & 30. Age at baptism: 30. Subsequent fate of the baptiser: Beheaded. Walked on water, cast out demons, healed the sick, restored sight to the blind. Was crucifed, descended into Hell; resurrected after three days.

http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-christ-like-figures-who-pre-date-jesus/

chymystique:
Sex sex sex!.. Na Food? I really dont understand why a man should beat a woman cause she refused him sex... There are ways to go about all these issues responsibly...

[size=15pt]"[/size]By now every one of us has seen it practically that the Blacks cannot rule themselves. Give them guns and they will kill each other. They are good in nothing else but making noise, dancing, marrying many wives and indulging in sex. Let us all accept that the Blackman is a symbol of poverty, mental inferiority, laziness and emotional incompetence...[size=15pt]"[/size]

P.W. Botha

TheSonOfMark:
Zoophilia. Yuck!

Perversion is a mental illness which perverts try to justify.

Homophilia is also a form of perversion. Why? It is against the natural order of _primate coital relations.

Oh by the way, educated illiterate, you need a trip to Colombia.

There, before the invasion of the whites, it has been a tradition for (pre) puberty boys to Bleep donkeys.

We call it beastiality [or Zoophilia], they call it a passing-to-adult rite. While I don't support this practice [as I've realized, mainly because I grew up in Nigeria] I feel sorry for people that have beastie fantasies.

Vice has a documentary on it, TheSonOfMark, if you indeed want to open your eyes and not jerking off on your brain marturbation.

Education does not quantify intelligence.

Taiwo20:




Ahn han! Man yii, o ti gbo oyinbo ju....

You too sabi english....infact, I am overwhelm by your choice of diction... I really appreciate your linguistic dexterity...walahi!!!

You just made a wanton nicompop happy.

Yeah, TheSonOfMark, you can keep enjoying your intellectual masturbation for the time being.

SmartMugu:

I agree with the fact that the foreigners' coming to Africa may have held us back; they introduced several beliefs we all worship today, when they themselves don't leverage them as much as we carry am for head. We could have been fine with what we believed in before their intervention.

However, my concern is that something is always constant - change. Even the foreigners know when to change to other alternatives after considering the pros and cons of the current state. In our traditional case, there is no such word. Things still have to be done like it was in the days of Orunmila, Opobo, Obatala, Sango, Oduduwa etc - that's what the traditionalists believe, and if we all grew up thinking like that without the foreigners coming in the first place, we would have ended up as savages like our forefathers were to them.
I'd admit many of us gained wisdom from what we have learnt so far from foreigners and some of us now even know certain things more than them.

It's just an issue knowing some of us simply would not change anything about what we believe in because it worked for our ancestors hundreds of years ago.

Thank you for your most responsible analysis.

Let's go back to history a bit (even though it had been disallowed as a subject by the Ministry of Education under Jonathan's regime...)

Whites value their tradition, there is a clause.

Worldwide, mature religionists and non religionists enjoy heritage. They enjoy festivals. I am not a moslem and I enjoy Ileya celebrations like crazy, even though I don't believe in what they are celebrating.

Same goes to alot of other religious festivities. Non believers and all.

But there is a clause. We enjoy these things because they are heritage, and not because they do us any good.

efilefun:
Dude if u don't have anything reasonable to comment you just skip the thread, there's no fcvking tribe in AFRICA that doesn't have people who still practice what their forefathers left behind so stop holding a particular tribe by the neck cuz you hate them or so... Even with the modernization in UK they still got a Queen which shows they ain't ready to throw away their culture either.

The Queen is a hierarchial thing. We still have the Obas here in Nigeria.

So your analogy is faulty.

What you're supposed to ask yourself is this: this is 2015, and why are Nigerians still stuck in medieval fetishism and willful ignorance?

Why?

The average Nigerian was a traditionalist in the 1800s, and the foreigners came here with a more packaged idea of the afterlife and we swallowed their hook, like and sinker.

Now the destitue country is filled with 98% of religious fanatics.


Why can't an average black man think for himself?

veecovee:
another passage in Bible that talks about rapture is 1 thessalonians 4:16-18

Delusions of grandeur.

Fear fear go kill you.

Which version of bible are you talking about?

Go Syria and Iraq, Armageddon has started there already.

Black man

hahn:


Fam, what exactly is beautiful here?

His (il)logical response.

disclaimer:I am not in support of pedophilia.