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It's 2018 and bïtches still think sex is some sort of reward for guys to cherish Bïtch! you get hörny too, how about that?

Seriously, please google religious delusions. Since the Lord talks to you alone ask him to speak to me or the people playing and watching the world cup. Why does he need you to speak to his creation?

Tell him to rescue the christian girl that's with Boko Haram because it seems allah rescued his own little girls. Also tell him that Nigeria has half its population poor ie. Nigeria has the most poor people of any country in the world. Remind him not to be petty to worry about the world cup, many people including the extremely poor people have their only worry to be food to eat not watching tv.

You need to chill on the Bible thumping and grow up. It's turned you into a lunatic. Go out into the real world and see the diversity then reflect on how your god intends to roast over 90% of the world's 7 billion people and rescue only you in the rapture.

If these don't make you reflect on your beliefs, take my advice to seek help. You may think you don't need it but trust, you'd be better for it.

Shalom!

annyplenty:
Thank you for all the harsh words you have used against me, though I have not done anything to deserve such. So many harsh words were said against my Lord and He bored them all but they shall all be judged. The Word of God has this concerning that

Jude 1:14-15
14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

The Lord Jesus once told crippled man 'thy sins are forgiven thee'. They He blasphemed but He replied them that it was better to tell the man thy sins are forgiven thee than to say 'carry thy bed and walk'.

The Lord asked me to tell his children to choose going for church service/program if the time of the service/program coincides with that of football match, rather than staying at home to watch the football match and you said I am delusional. If indeed you are His sheep, you will be able to identify His voice and His priority.

Shalom

MrPresident1 come and carry your brother to Second-coming Jesus muster point Annyplenty, you need help. Google religious delusions. It's a well known psychological disorder and that's what you've been about for many years now.

Your compatriot Mrpresident1 is on level 2 while you're shooting the Richter scale.

annyplenty:
I am not a fanatic brother. It is just that the truth is hated by many. If truth is not hated by many, they would not have crucified the Lord, Jesus Christ, who Himself is the Truth.

This one's been on it a long time.

sKeetz:
Your fanacitism is turning into something ugly.

Better check yourself before you wreck yourself.

Are you trying to liberate only Christians? Isn't Islamic fundamentalism doing more damage in Nigeria as a whole? Take off the vow nonsense on Islamic threads or in fairness the Christians should also have theirs.

Seun:
I feel that the whole God’s God thing was a waste of the brilliant animators time. A rabbit hole that leads nowhere. I like the stuff that’s more grounded in reality or the actual beliefs of the people we are trying to liberate.

You're right in many ways. However, if one follows how they (the scientists) arrived at any explanation, one would know what's certain/proven as opposed to what's likely. I'd give an example, the chicxulub crater is a conspicuous fact because it is seen and the time of occurence can be estimated. However, the postulations and theories of how dinosaurs got extinct are just that theories (not scientific theory) similar ti the article i posted earlier. With the language you can easily identify what's likely and what is indeed fact.

Einstein had so many scientists refuting his theory of relativity. so sometimes (not surprisingly) people hold on to their discoveries but is it true? The good thing about science is that the fact would always stand out.

Look at climate change now, that's almost like a cult following, the models have been refuted by scientists like Freeman Dyson (although he's not an expert on the subject) and another Nobel prize winner.

Dan Schetman (Noble prize winner for discovery of quasi crystal structure) was called a fake scientist by Linus Pauling (two time Nobel prize) also removed from his faculty position because of that but at least they get challenged by experts in the field.

So, you may be right that truth in this sense is subject to review and but honestly i do not see an alternative. Certainly not god or creator for me.

SwagPower:
U Such an enlightened mind..its actually a priviledge meeting and conversing wit some1 such as u on nairaland..

Bt contrary to ur assumptions i do not feel humans r special.. like we desav a special kinda attention frm d creator of d
universe..

dts y i said..d i believe in a creator bt dts as far as i go..

i do not believe he sees humans as some special component of d universe..special enough to warrant any "special attention"..We myt jsy b one of a million oda live forms in the universe..So we most certainly myt not b d centre of d cosmos..

We breathe,eat n die like every oda" lowly" animal out dere afterall..

N i dnt rily believe truth is an absolute concept..wat is supposedly true 2day myt become false in d not so distant future..

even within science discoveries r made almost everyday dt challenges some "truths" already established by d scientific method...

For instance The Martian canals were a network of gullies and ravines that 19th century scientist mistakenly believed to exist on the red planet...However the Martian canals were proven to be a myth with the advent of greater telescopes and imaging technology...

To a scientist living in the 19th century..the martian canal was the truth for him..But 21st century scientist will av a completely different truth due to d advancement weve achieved ova d yrs..n who is to say mayb a 100yrs frm now..much of wat we believe as "truth "in science 2day will not av bn replaced by "newer truths"..

Heck a new theory may arrive to replace the bigbang... ...

Certain truths r dichotomous..like d electric wire analogy u gave..

bt wen it comes to belief systems or reason..relativity becomes paramount..

the Truth at any pt in Time is wat d knowlegde ,attitudes and advancements of dt tym permit...

OK I understand your position. However, you still look at the world/universe as the religious like humans are the centrality of the cosmos. I would only implore you to learn about the universe. Watching animal planet and learning about animals too would make you realise that humans, as much as we want to feel special, are really not.

The Bonobos and Chimpanzees are the closest genetically to humans and you would be amazed how similar we are in behaviour and mannerisms to them if you learn about them.

Truth does not care about anyone's feelings. It is simply what it is: Truth. There is nothing like my truth and your truth. For instance, a live electric cable would shock any human regardless of if they believe it or not. Truth is usually tested and the scientific method is the most reliable way that we know to arrive at truth. Acceleration due to Gravity is 9.8m/s2 because it has not been disproven.

I would want to be special and the creator of the universe to care so much about me but IS IT TRUE? Certainly not. Tales of Father Christmas comforts kids but adults know it's not true.

All I have to say is: "Get ready to be shocked to your marrow when you learn about the universe and animals because you just might find that you or any other person isn't any special"

I was also an evangelising Christian. I believed the shît and hoped to see Jesus but here I am still learning what truth is.

Humans are teleological ie. we create stories and have the ability to believe them more than reality ... that's what marks us distinctly from animals that's why a muslim father would readily kill his offspring wheb they change faith but a deer would rather confront a lioness just to save her offspring.

Keep searching for answers but get rid of your initial assumptions and let logic and critical thinking guide guide you.

SwagPower:
Aight Sir..I agree wit almost everytin u said..

Bt dis part above struck me d most..

I av a religious background..a very strong one at dt..some times i myself cant believe i actually doubt d presence of a God and almost completely believe religion is false ..

I used to b a very strong xtian fa.. ...A rily commited one..wit all d fastin and prayers and mountain climbing and self mortifying ..al dt!!...

Whr I'm at ATM Is;

Religion is a manmade entity.. mayb built 4 a gud reason bt has morphed into a monstrous- humanity -devoring -blackness...

I also believe in a creator(mind hw i kip saying creator and not God)..I believe some guy started it all..bt 4 reasons best known to him after d creation he basically let humans operate on deir own n barely interferes in their affairs..hw else can u explain d gross disbalance and utter injustice in d social ordeR of d world...Some av too much...way more dan dey need..yl some die of lack..If sere was a God dere wld av bn more fairness justice in the universe...

I reject d potrayal of God by d religions.He was given too much power by d religionists n wen u measure him/her against dis ludicrous standards God falls flat on his face...


Im still tryna find my own truth about d origin of d world bt ryt whr i am nw...A creator feels more ryt to me dan d bigbang..


Myt change in d future however

Only the abrahamic religions gods are invasive and violent sadists. Of all the wars fought in Africa, none was about converting the enemies to worshippers of their gods.

idols? they are gods same as those from the middle east. Black Africa is just to unintellectual.

LordStranac:
true.Do you know that african deities had more compassion than yahwe...

Jews feeds on stealing people land,winning wars and spreading falsehood,thats why their god is that way.


Its sad seeing my africans brother worshipping god that even oduduwa is 500 times older and whenever white says they are slaves,,they scream racist this,racist that.


if you can differentiate between our idols in africa and god of the bible,and prove to me he is superior,if only wishes were horses

Every major daddy GO is an atheist but like you said, they are the bad ones that make a living off falsehood. You cannot read the whole bible and not become one. Except there must be something wrong with your sense of compassion for humanity.

For the slay bítches with thousands of abortions trying to do 'for better for worse' with an unsuspecting born again man

Intellectually lazy writer. They weren't selected noww translates to being blacklisted later they will say "who English epp?"

frankwyte:
Misapplication of grammar! drop and blacklist are two different terms. This youth this days....

Maybe, but personally I don't make initial assumptions that there was/is a creator(s) before learning what is already known as fact. Besides, it's only people with a religious background that would first make such assumption that a creator initiated the beginning. What we know for certain is that the universe had a beginning and the Big Bang was postulated without initial assumptions of god(s) or creator(s).

The religious will first say He (how they know it's male ), then He created man like him, and the world in 7 days etc. The more you explain the world and universe to them, the more they employ mental gymnastics to the point where when scientists say 'we don't know for sure...' then they say 'aha that's God' ... so I agree with DeGrasse Tyson that said "God is the ever receding pocket of scientific ignorance" ie. the more ignorant one is, the bigger and greater their god.

The universe is about 98% space and earth is even insignificant in the grand scheme, talk less of humans. There is so much disorder, 'errors', organisms that exist just to destroy others etc etc that the notion of intelligent design is another big joke. But as ignorance goes, it looks perfect and well scripted for humans that it must be a creator who sculptured it to his taste.

I'm an atheist because there is really nothing that I know and see about the universe, the world, and life that indicates that there is a god or gods. I do not reject the possibility, but even if there was it/she/he/them certainly isn't intelligent and as super as it's percieved to be. Why then is it god?

"Nothing is to be feared, only understood"

Another reason why Christianity, Islam and other religions - as much as they make many people become better for themselves and communities - are a joke when they try to explain anything.

SwagPower:
I appreciate u taking ur tym to explain...Im gon go read up on d big bang and d origin of life..

One more question tho..u said its a very slow process..if stars r formed dt means they whr formed frm sth../what den formed wateva it was dt makes stars..

That's whr i believe a creator comes in..dt entity dt set d ball rolling in d first place...

Why don't you say when you became a Christian and why you remain one, as you wait for the rapture?

MrPresident1:
Capital fool

Fresh guyman. More tithes and offering to you luxurious living

Just as stars can been observed when they burst (supernovas) they have been observed when they form (stars are still being formed). There are billions of stars, billions of light years apart from one another. The biggest stars are the blue ones, which is the last stage of its cycle. The Sun is white (we see it as red because of the sky), is sort of medium hot ... as time goes by, millions of years i think, it turns blue, then drags everything in its orbit and pops. Exactly the same process with the other stars. So, yes the world as we know it would end that way or maybe the earth gets hit by a giant meteor or comet (sort of how the dinosaurs all went extinct -check chicxulub crater-. Matter of fact, one flew by earth a few years ago)

Although it is impossible to observe the formation through the end of a star in one lifetime, the stars we see in the night sky (blue coloured) are usually in their last stage of the cycle. Formed from gases then goes from red white then blue. The universe started at a single point. How do we know? because it has been observed that it is expanding...that's how we know the age of the universe and the big bang is the plausible explanation of how it all started. Science is a continuum, if you have a better explanation that you can describe with mathematics, everyone would listen to you but god, creationism, and superstitious myths as the alternative only make one look incredibly silly. (check the scientific method and put any religious belief through it to see if any passes)

Like evolution, is a very slow process, virtually unobservable in a 100 lifetimes, the formation of stars cannot be observed rather at different points during its formation. I talk about stars because atoms are the links between living and non-living things and they come from the stars.

SwagPower:
Chemists report today that a pair of simple compounds, which would have been abundant on early Earth, can give rise to a network of simple reactions that produce the three major classes of biomolecules—nucleic acids, amino acids, and lipids—needed for the earliest form of life to get its start. ..

frm d article u refered me to..I think I'm beginning to get it..My question tho is hw did d stars dt gave rise to planets dt possess d 3 major classes of biomolecules required for d creation of live tins begin?..

all of life are made of atoms. A single cell consists of billions of atoms, the simplest of which is hydrogen.
The kind of reaction that occurs within the stars (the Sun included), which gives it the bright light, is
a very high energy reaction which causes the atoms to combine as one (nuclear fusion) eg. H + H = He. The bigger the star, the higher the energy and the more of these types of reactions. Note, this is unlike the typical chemical reaction where 2 atoms of Hydrogen would give H2 molecule.

Most elements that have been discovered and classified are from stars exploding. Plutonium was created by replicating these nuclear reaction conditions (as in the stars) with isotopes of Uranium.

Each life form can be traced to its fundamental unit, the cell and each cell consists of billions of atoms,
of mostly Carbon and Hydrogen. Under the right conditions, interactions and orientation of atoms would give rise anything we can sense in reality.

How then were these conditions met? I don't know, and haven't looked but here's an interesting article on a paper that attempts to explain: http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/03/researchers-may-have-solved-origin-life-conundrum

Saying 'I don't know, therefore God did it or it must be God' is an ignorant cop-out for seeking answers or explaining anything. Even if we don't discard the possibility, then, which gods? and what do we know now that that god's religious manual explained accurately? Your guess is as good as mine.

The universe is so grand and majestic that even if there was a god it would be ridiculous to say it is human like. There are billions of stars and each have 'planets' in its orbit (the bigger the star, the more 'planets'). So would you bet then that the only planet with conditions suitable for life is Earth? I won't.

If you could understand goat bleats, you would find that their almighty god that created everything would be goat-like, likewise chimps, elephants etc.

SwagPower:
Yea heard abt d hubble telescope..cant say i knoe much ant it tho..My question tho s hw did life on earth begin?..

D stars exploded n gave birth to planets..bt hw did life begin on dis planets...taking into nt d vast array of living tins dere r....

Heard of Hobble telescope? it was named after Edward Hobble who made an observation with his telescope that the universe was expanding hence it could be deduced that it had a beginning at a single point and the age of the universe could be estimated from calculation.

Stars have been observed to explode from high energy nuclear reactions within them and these explosions birth the 'planets' that revolve around them as well as the elements. The Sun is a medium sized star and would also pop like the others long after we are gone.

Science isn't about beliefs ... no scientist worth his mettle would want anyone to believe them but rather to understand. Nothing is by divine revelation, the 'whys' and the 'hows' have brought humanity this far.

If you could telescope and look into the night sky and you'd be amazed, then you'd understand the fascination of Galileo and those after him. Science begins with the stars.

Religion has never explained correctly any physical phenomena, why start in 2018?

SwagPower:
I actually believe in creationism..just noy d way the religionists describe it..i jst feel the bigbang is a load of hokum!..pls some learned mind shld help me explain d bigbang..dnt use big words ..i'm not dt smart!

It's based on the assumption that they've read the whole bible more than once. Hard not to be athiest seeing the so called 'word of God' reading like sadist war manual. The book of Revelation is the minefield for the neurotic. Check MrPresident1 and annyplenty posts always apocalyptic delusions calculating when Jesus would come take them away

But yeah ... some sincerely believe the fables it should be the lower cadres ... I'd bet the GOs are atheists. Hence, the way they extort all under them.

SwagPower:
I hold d same belief as regards pastors being atheists..bt i wldnt go as far as to say "most"..Some genuinely beieve on d fables,a minute population r borderline neurotic...
Power of shared delusions..

and the massacre of a whole family including children by Joshua because the father kept some spoils after the collapse of the wall. Of course, instructed by god.

More recent is the Nathanyahu led Israeli government killing unarmed palistinian protesters after the US moved their embassy to Jerusalem. Not surprising to see US evangelicals jubilating over a biblical prophecy. Who cares if all the unarmed people including children are struck dead by the military. I read they even invited Pastor Chris Oyakhilome.

SwagPower:
Ironically..reading d bible led me away frm religion and d biblical God..I cldnt undastand hw a God makes all humans and den decides to choose one frm among dis millions "The Israelites" and call dem his pple...

yl also ordering dem to go on genocidal sprees killing oda tribes and pple...

The story dt rent ma heart d most was the one in d 1st book of Samuel..whr God commanded d Israelites to utterly exterminate the amalekites including women ,children and babies...Saul den spared some of d Animals and god was so pissed!!

not becos dis man murdered babies at deir mothers' breast bt becos he spared a few animals...

It was too much to stomach ..the bible as far as i know ..the old testament especially is jst a history of the wars and conquest of the isrealites ..shikenan!..

Being free of dt mental slavery has markedly improved my quality of life and my appreciation for my fellow man..

It's wise to remain in your church and apologise to avoid unnecessary strain in your marriage and family. It's all a front and I believe most pastors are atheists anyway. Better to be assumed a believer than speak just to gather enemies.

As for your children, always encourage them to think for themselves and try to provide good books to broaden their horizon. They'll be fine

Laeroy:
Hi everyone, Goodafternoon and happy Sunday...
Feel very glad to be here....
I hope someone gives me a listening ear here...

I'm a lady of diverse views and beliefs about religion, let's just say I'm a Christian because I'm married to a Christian, I have a child and I'm expectant of the next...I follow my hubby to church just to make him happy...I'm a member of the choir because I've got a great voice and I love to sing.....

Something happened recently to me....
I went for a vigil and the preacher (invited guest), started prayers, even as a regular Christian, I ain't a fan of shaking body and head vigorously when praying, so the preacher insisted EVERYONE stands, but I rebelled and refused to do as he says, and because he noticed that I was a member of the choir, he said right from the altar that I ain't supposed to be a minister, immediately my heart sank, the following day, The issues generated lots of controversies in the church, and the group has decided to punish me, I don't know what the punishment will be, but I guess it will either be an indefinite suspension or I'm being asked to apologize to the whole church....

Normally, if I weren't married, I would leave the church with immediate effect, as I do not think I should be forced to pray in a way and manner I do not believe in...

But I'm married, my husband would not have me go to another church, while I stay at home...
I'm also thinking of what effect this would have on my kid and my home (marriage) in general...

Very well, although it reads like you doubt the personal efficacy of these religions. However, there are still questions unanswered like how life and the universe came to be, reports of paranormal activities, NDEs Back to life and Jesus stories, if this is the only life, death, evil ... because when belief is discarded, a void is left.

so, you still might be vulnerable to another religion that's not as invasive and violent as the abrahamic ones, that might explain pleasurable coincidences but the question remains: "are the claims true and verifiable?" I liken religion to a strong whirlpool that sucks in those without knowledge. Its potency is not to be underestimated.

The Scientific method is the most reliable way to come to truth based on facts and a fascinating way to understand reality and phenomena. Good to fill that void with objective knowledge.

You should read this if you haven't already: https://www.nairaland.com/2045070/thoughts-questions-religion

pri3stess:
1. I noticed that none of my "prayers" had ever been answered and I had never witnessed anything miraculous.

2. I never had any spiritual awakening like some people claim to have after fasting, praying and doing other things to get closer to god. Sometimes I think people that claim that God has spoken to them simply have a mental illness or they are straight up lying.

3. Evolution can be scientifically proven but creationism cannot.

4. I looked at the damaging effects of Christianity in poorer countries. Notice that most developed nations are not even religious. Meanwhile, the undeveloped ones are the most religious. The developed nations used their brain and love for their country to develop their country, not prayers.

5. A large number of Nigerian religious leaders are scammers that prey on the gullibility of Nigerians for financial gain.

6. Religions like Christianity were brought to Africa by the white man as a tool to control us. Not trying to attack northerners but notice how they never forced their religion on northern Nigerians but they did it to the Southerners? They felt that northerners were more malleable and willing to do whatever they said without revolting. Unlike southerners that fought until they were defeated. They convinced us they were better than us because of their skin color. They made us docile by beating bible quotes like these into our mindsets.......

Hebrews 13:17 ESV
Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they are keeping watch over your souls, as those who will have to give an account. Let them do this with joy and not with groaning, for that would be of no advantage to you.

Titus 3:1 ESV
Remind them to be submissive to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good work,

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.


Meanwhile, these people were robbing us blind. Their intention was not to spread Christianity but to rob us right in front of our eyes using the bible as a cover.
https://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-when-the-missionaries-came-to-africa-they-had-the-bible-and-we-had-the-land-they-said-desmond-tutu-29-84-86.jpg

Notice how despite the religions northerners practice, they still favored them over the southerners and left power to them once they left?



7. Even the bible says "faith without works is dead". If I have an exam to take, I study very hard, I will eventually pass the test. How on earth did god help me pass the test if i studied? If I had never studied for the exam, there's no amount of prayers that will help me pass. I simply worked hard for my marks, period!

You should say why you stopped believing the Christian doctrine and arrived at what you are now, an atheist I presume.

pri3stess:
I was a Christian. I'm not religious or a skeptic.

Were you a Christian or Muslim? and are you an agnostic now?

pri3stess:
Used to be until I asked myself certain questions.

The burden of proof is on those who claim there is a god or god(s). Christianity has a ridiculously parochial worldview. God, the creator of the heavens and the earth became man and came for a tiny ethnic group; was killed by humans as planned by god himself and father; and decides to punish everyone including the unborn if they don't acknowledge him. One really has to be afraid of knowledge and reality to continue as an adherent.

Religion(s) understood within its historical context would very likely make any assertive person an unbeliever or at the very least a skeptic.

As for me, it was not until I become a faithful (born again) christian, wanting to know more of god as the bible reveals that led to me calling it the biggest BS that ever existed among men. I read the Bible and history of the faith, plus being in the sciences enabled me question everything about the universe and life existence. The answers as well as questions you find are more fascinating than anything written in any book of talking donkeys or prophets splitting moons.

I hold nothing against the religious, I don't even proselytize anymore. Whatever makes them happy. As most would rather be happy than choose an uncomfortable truth.

Are you religious, pri3stess?

No o. It's just the transmission, I mean, transmissioning the commission.

AllHailBiafra:
Are you mading mad, or is mad mading you?

There!

AllHailBiafra:

OP Na lie you no fit kill me for here

If we tell them that Nigeria is a zoo, they pick offence, but thank God that we're gradually being vindicated transmissioned

Skales: I'm starting to get pissed
Interviewer: Me too



The Victor guy deserves some hot slaps. Skales was even patient. You invited him over to insist his song wasn't genius at all.

Well, Skales has made you quite popular now. Pretty sure it's what you had in mind.

You really should stop this silliness. Personally, I think you're quite intelligent to be spewing such ignorance in defence of your beliefs. Intelligent design my nuts. if your god designed human species, then he is not so intelligent afterall.

You are so ignorant about evolution and the human genome and it's a shame you refuse to learn after all these years yet you spend so much time posting religioscience crap here.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/15-answers-to-creationist/

if it's not too long for you to read...and btw that was 16 years ago.

I suggest you also read this book "The Not-So-Intelligent Designer: Why Evolution Explains the Human Body and Intelligent Design Does Not"


I get it, you don't want to go to hell (falling away of the saints in the last days) or lose your nairaland religion section allies if you follow the evidence.

If you need good books or recent journal publications I could get them and send you for free. Put your brain to good use and leave the religious looneys alone.

I respect this man even though I'm an atheist. If they all give back to the society like this maybe we would rather see the good than the bad of religion

Who wouldn't want the best qualified people in any institution? Your stup!dity knows no bounds. You are the type who voted an old man 30 years after retirement who couldn't present his school certificate to run a country full of young educated people.

That you became a medical doctor isn't a licence to Lord over other professionals. Do doctors make the medicines they prescribe? Do they make the equipments they use for surgery? so why do you in your myopic mind think you cannot be corrected as to what works best by another professional in the hospital?

Better go study and become enlightened and learn to mind your business as a physician.

MrBigiman:
Shameful rant. Ur PHD has no place in the hospital setting. Even a Medical Doctor who goes to do Masters in Internal Medicine is not recognised in clinical practice.

I sincerely hope it's only on nairaland because the brazen exhibition of ignorance by the so called nigerian doctors is nauseating. Such ego displayed even by the ones that haven't gone for NYSC.

Nigerian doctors should learn to mind their business. How someone else advancing towards the pinnacle of their respective fields make them insecure is what I cannot understand.

FRoosevelt it's way more complicated than you present it do though I get your points. Acidosis made salient points as well. What you think is the problem (Child bearing without thought or consideration) isn't necessarily the problem. Illiteracy (Under-education) is the core of it all. Your perspective is just a reflection of your education and your social class in the society while poverty and bad governments deprive the majority of those (many in the north) the opportunity to be educated; and it's only one who is assured of prospective meals that can be properly educated.

You see money or the world system of finance and it's class structures are heavily skewed. Capitalism with all the good it inspires, creates poverty. Less than 100 people own half the world's wealth. How then can you say the poor don't deserve children, when as animals that we are, our natural proclivities for survival is through reproduction? What then should the billions of poor people across the world do? what else gives them pleasure when everything else comes with a price tag they are unable to afford.

The current adopted system of Money is a concept that was created and thus can be changed but as biological species reproduction cannot be stopped, controlled? Yes. Your perspective would apply in most western countries where most of the wealth of the world reside but here and in 3rd world countries, there was human life way before capitalism and its class expectations.

Sen Ben Bruce once proposed population control for Nigeria in the National Assembly because Nigeria's growth rate is unsustainable (common sense), no surprise the region that opposed vehemently, one's argument: Allah says we should multiply (more like they don't count children, which is in line with many traditions across Africa) and Nigeria can provide. Here again, education and it's lack make people express certain views.

In summary, child bearing isn't the problem and I don't think it can ever be. As long as animals live, there would be eating and sex thus reproduction among other things that define us naturally. The thinking behind having consideration for the offspring's wellbeing and how many one is able to expend on each comes from education which unfortunately the poor cannot afford and sadly the chief beneficiaries of standard free education in Nigeria continue to deprive people of.

And as I once heard Pat Utomi say "Population is not a curse, it's a resource. Use it."