You are asking all these because you've been programmed by society to blame the man. Point is, such 'relationships' or whatever nomenclature you may choose is mutual. How come we never get to hear the 'deadbeat' equivalent that are ho-ing mothers? I'll give you the answer, it's simply because they always have allies, their children whom they groom and brainwash from cradle to adulthood that daddy is a 'deadbeat' and all sorts. You know the rest.

Nowadays every single mother with a child is a 'strong woman' 'Independent woman' 'supermom&dad' you know the drill. But reality is a lot of them are bitches. You could say the men are bitches too for getting involved with bitches, all well and good, but bitches get fücked not wifed. Look at Wizkid's producer turned baby-mama or Eddie Murphy and Mel B for instance, you think she would've cared if Wizkid was married and had 10 children? but keep watching how the child, depending on how close they become with their mothers especially girl children, may grow up to hate the father for not being there and bla bla bla even though these same men foot all the bills through these ungrateful mothers; and you all join these manipulating women to shame the man. Almost all the time they refuse to get an abortion. Keeping the child is solely their decision for financial leverage over the man.

I only wish some children would actually see how some mothers feed off them while at the same time manipulate them with so much love and emotions to believe otherwise. These things happen too often and you have to be under the woman's mainstream spell not to see the scheme these women play.

CeterisXVII:

Did the man have an affair with the woman at gun point?

Or did he forget he was married, and deliberately chose to ignore his "fully committed" status, when he decided to have the affair? Or did the woman get pregnant all by herself, without the man's input? I am scratching my head trying to understand this part, o!

When are women going to call out mothers that got children off ho-ing. Many mothers have children from fully committed men, whom they were full aware of the man's status before they continued on with their affair. How many women give birth to children because they want to tie a man down? there is even one on the front page. What do you think these 'angelic' women tell their children when the kids ask about their absentee fathers?

that I was a bïtch and I just had to fück him to have you Junior. I thought he would've stayed??

but No. Davido certainly would be a deadbeat to some of his kids, Wizkid too and the rest. Thank God for the internet exposing these lying bïtches everyday.

If your dad is a deadbeat, employ your senses and check very well. You mum might have had you when she was ho-ing Hurts, but c'est la vie. Höes love their children too and also lie to them to look like the 'supermom', 'strongwoman' and all the other superlatives they keep coming up with to their children to make the dad the villian.

realtalk19:


How about violent men and men who is not responsible for the child's welfare and believes the mother shuld be the one to take up his responsibility while he squanders his money on irrrelivant things.

Will he be bold enough to to admit he wasn't responsible and couldn't take care of them like a father should?

Will he admit he was violent and irresponsible by always beating up the child's mother who eventually had to leave the marriage for the safety of hersslf and child?

What you have here is exactly how you say I am a blockhead in 4 paragraphs

NLmember:
Why do these bitter woman hating mods keep putting posts like this on front page? Instead of asking parents to put their utmost best in raising children the bitter and frustrated fellow started a topic he concocted from his deranged mind to blame women for the actions of irresponsible fathers.

Father's are deadbeat so blame the mother's for poisoning the childs mind and keeping the said child from their dad. What is stopping the father from being actively present in the child's life and showing them enough love and support to dispel any form of brainwashing from the mom about him being deadbeat?

A determined and caring father will never allow anything keep him from his kids, what these useless men do is that they abandon their kids thinking the responsibility of rising kids is on women and then in old age when they start experiencing loneliness the fools start throwing be to the wives and mothers claiming that they brainwashed the children into hating them.

I m not surprised, majority of young men these days are just frustrated from poverty and filled with bitterness and since they cannot lash out t each other they turn to women to transfer agression. If only you fools can use the same energy in tracking your worthless leaders that keep you poor and frustrated.

I don't blame the mod that keeps putting topics like this on front page.

Yeah right! 'Deadbeat' another invented term by bitter women to appropriate all blames to yet another man. Another case of women not taking responsibility.

Interesting.

budaatum:


So therefore, consider proposition (buda 1):

"It is POSSIBLE that the Bible was written entirely by rational people to explain gods to superstitious people".

Can you deny this proposition? Can you prove it wrong?

Most atheists are agnostic in the real sense because they cannot also disprove the existence of gods, neither are they absolutely certain that there are no gods (depending on how it is defined). The dogmatic atheist is just plain silly and is little to no different from the religious fundamentalist, except that he does not attach the religious hocus pocus to his modus operandi.

In agreement, saying 'I believe there is(are) no god(s)' is equivalent to 'I believe in God/Allah/Jesus etc' and the truth is, in a free society everyone is at liberty to believe in whatever concept they wish, concocted or peer-reviewed. Besides, Believe has a connotation of bias associated with it and is thus antithetical to intellectual robustness.

But, you must also understand that all knowledge is still based on probability and averages to ascertain its veracity. So knowing that there is or there is not usually does not connote absolute certainty. We know that gravitational field acceleration therefore we can determine how fast or slow and the time an object would hit the ground when released from a height. But even so, these are approximations. Do they work? Yes but are approximations nonetheless.

budaatum:

I do like the condescension. It shows what you think of my intellectual capacity.

If I create crap in my head called a phone that cooks, and cannot provide evidence for it yet ask you to believe such a phone exists, then I am intellectually lazy and unequivocally dishonest and you must treat me with the contempt that I deserve for believeng it myself if I say I do, and moreso for asking you to believe my crap without providing evidence so you may know instead. For as you say, "for lack of evidence, it is intellectually robust and unequivocally honest to disbelieve in a phone that cooks", though, I, being a sceptical person, would check first. Someone might have somewhere welded a cooker to a phone.

The only reason I can believe or disbelieve in the existence of phones that make calls, even, is because of my ignorance about phones that make calls. If I were not ignorant about phones that make calls I would know about phones that make calls instead of ignorantly believing or disbelieving whatever it is about phones that make calls that I believe or disbelieve.

Theists (who predominantly happen to be believers, and not knowers and understanders) are not intellectually robust and unequivocally honest and neither are their counterpart atheists who disbelieve gods exist or believe gods don't exist. There is quite a lot of 'evidence' out there about gods and for the existence or lack of existence of gods, so atheism and theism, in my opinion, is, or rather, should not be about "evidence", unless we mean a lazy person who has not bothered to check (and consider) the available evidence. It is also very lazy to believe or disbelieve the available or lack of available evidence once checked, in my opinion, instead of attempting to understand what the evidence or lack of evidence might mean or imply.

The intellectually robust and unequivocally honest ought to know either way and understand, instead of believing or disbelieving the crap they think up in their own heads, is my point, and if I were to ask you to believe or disbelieve anything at all, then I am intellectually lazy and unequivocally dishonest and would be insulting your intelligence and you must treat me with the contempt that I deserve for believing or not believing it myself and moreso for attempting to make you ignorant and dishonest like I would have been being myself.

It is the religious education most get that allows them to use words like believe and disbelieve, is the point I'm making here. Intellectually robust and unequivocally honest people ought to know, either way, instead of believing and or disbelieving. Or does one believe or disbelieve or know or not know about Pythagoras and his theorem, and would the use of either of those words say nothing about the one who used it?

Long story! I'm sure if they held another election today, many föols would still campaign and vote for the dullard and despot and he would win. Nigeria is a lost case. Many of the idiots complaining and joining the RevolutionNow still put Buhari there. Atiku na thief, Atiku na thief. Let's enjoy #NextLevel because it hasn't even begun yet.

Canada is better in my opinion and since you speak English and French you'll be as Canadian as Celine Dion. The EE allows you almost full status and rights as a citizen and it is a much better country to live in, for raising or relocating your family. The Canadian EE gives you the equivalent of a US Green Card and unless you have a minimum of $500k to $1m (heard Trump's administration increased it to ) to invest in the US, you're only going to get a US visa at best which limits you legally. What you do illegally is between you and ICE until you change status.

All the best! but if you go yankee no follow Akata o

Ugosample:


owww

I see


I will most likely be moving to Canada /U.S. in the next two years plus.....
the sort of business I do tho it's somewhat lucrative, is not what I'll do for the long term

may be ill try this express entry thing

my French and English is very very good
That should count....


And I see what you did there

differentiating between AA and Akata

if that is the case
then you have an argument

Besides, let's not pretend like profiling is extraneous concept shall we? We as Nigerians, until we start using our second passports, are subjected to extra vetting, checks and visa hurdles when travelling but even so Akata way still dey burst our medulla some of us never see that kind lifestyle before

about this....

to use this naija passport don tire me

my last trip to Istanbul was just

more reason why I have to move to Canada ASAP

two years

getting the passport there is not so difficult

Don't forget that the thread is about Nigerian migrants going to the US. Your experience is not that relevant to the theme. I have also met a number of decent ones in professional circles and trust they are many, we see them on TV as well, but the majority in the US which the illegal migrants from Nigeria may experience, are the issue here; and the truth is even those AAs avoid the Akatas (I differentiate them)

Besides, let's not pretend like profiling is extraneous concept shall we? We as Nigerians, until we start using our second passports, are subjected to extra vetting, checks and visa hurdles when travelling but even so Akata way still dey burst our medulla some of us never see that kind lifestyle before

And it is not about being better or worse than them but I take offence being grouped with them having lived in the US, even though I'm sort of a lone ranger type of dude that would rather deal with individuals. Na as you bundle us together wey bring talk, I was talking about US and Europe before you bring Akata matter inside. But still me and my people no be like them, our values are so different. You don't have to like it but it's true.

Ugosample:


So.in other words, my own experiences with AA does not count right?

Is 'AAs can learn from us and we can learn from them' the same as 'blackman na blackman? and we are all 'self-destructive' ? As if race is anything to go by. If you don't know, race has no biological or scientific basis and is merely a social construct so if you think just because someone is black, the person is your kinsman and is self-destructive then ride alone in your dystopia don't bring up such nonsense here like it's some fact.

There have been and are numerous brave, great and illustrious AA men and women worthy of emulation, and we don't call those ones Akata by the way; even so this thread isn't about them. It is about migration to the US and experiences. I think I responded when more people were continuing to shįt on Europe as if the US is x100 better.

Nigerians fought for independence and were part of the civil rights movement. Nigerians also greatly supported the movement against apartheid in RSA. I guess now you don't see the Shiites fighting for their freedom despite being killed by the government of the day. People are surviving and thriving in Nigeria and are fighters but you disrespect them bundling them with Akatas.

As for what I've learnt from Akata? it is to be wary of them and approach with caution, but I don't see myself in America anytime in the future.

This america talk don tire me. Go to america if you want, read somewhere that there are 300 millions guns in circulation. Good luck with your endeavour, let me leave this link here. For illegals, if you think this couldn't be you then think again because I don't see illegals living in midtown manhattan.

https://abc7ny.com/cab-driver-shot-in-head-body-found-on-brooklyn-street/5421529/
https://www.legit.ng/1225572-27-year-nigerian-uber-driver-stabbed-death-new-york.html

All this year, and these are things that New Yorkers get used to, untimely demise. Well you can say people die and are going to die anyway, Yes! and true but the rate in the US would shock and literally blow you out of the water for many of you here shitting on Europe Una never chee chomchin.

Ugosample:


Oh man

Eminent lady Laity


Nigeria bad Nigeria bad but don't fück with the resolve and resilience of Nigerians. We are everywhere and are breaking barriers and trailblazing regardless. So keep your self-hating 'black people are the same' crap to yourself. I know where I'm from and who my ancestors are and we are NOT like Akata in anyway.


Nigerians generally are resilient people that is not in doubt
despite all we have gone through (especially as igbos) a good number of us rose above it

AA folks can learn that from us that's for sure


But let me flip the script
what we can also learn from them is the through the decades since 1920s
they were able to face theur oppressors and win their rights
on this count

Nigerians score F9

Leave that Ugosample, ignorant AF. Do the so called 'mentally defeated' Nigerians in Nigeria behave as african americans do towards foreigners, even towards other africans amongst them? The guy hasn't lived in the US is here joining that ässwipe of Akata that insults the whole of Africa and Nigerians saying Nigerians and African Americans are the same. I'm sure where you live your life has not been threatened by Ivoriens neither have you been discriminated against.

You are most likely to be robbed, shot, stabbed or and discriminated against in the US by an Akata than any other person, ten times over. And it'll be one low-life scrounger for that matter. Dude is just online yapping rubbish. Shame on you for discrediting hardworking Nigerians and Africans in diaspora and in Nigeria comparing them that group of people. You think watching music videos, sports and 24 is the real america. Let's hope you eventually find yourself in america if you want to migrate and experience first hand or maybe your children then you may find out that even CIV and Nigeria may be safer to live in than many places in america.

Just look at him supporting a culturally lost and condescending low-life that was obviously derailing the topic, as if the thread is about developing Nigeria. Nigerians talking about immigrant experiences and preferences and a frustrated Akata comes here to insult all of us and tell blatant lies about 'very succesful' black americans. Someone who hasn't even seen anywhere else in the world, no foreign experience whatsoever to speak of and some of you commend those ignorant bigoted comments even against your kinsmen.

Nigeria bad Nigeria bad but don't fück with the resolve and resilience of Nigerians. We are everywhere and are breaking barriers and trailblazing regardless. So keep your self-hating 'black people are the same' crap to yourself. I know where I'm from and who my ancestors are and we are NOT like Akata in anyway.

Celepope:

I repeat if you have never lived amongst them, please kindly save us your words of hypocrisy and steak with watching their music videos on TV. I cannot stand people who are neither hot or cold. Allow those who have first hand experience to voice their views on them. Shalom.

There is an immigrant/migration crisis in Europe at the moment, so many people on boats from Africa landing on coastal regions. So you see those 'black foreheads' almost everywhere in the EU nowadays. In Madrid, where they are welcome, they are come up in your faces with wrist bands and items at the city center and Metros. The ones in France seem to be more aggressive on TV with their frequent riots Learnt they are more in Germany, and spread through Sweden across the EU.

Anyway, living in a country is a whole lot different from just visiting. Do you speak French? and you are just being mischievous when you say Abuja is more beautiful than Paris. Well, it depends on what you take into consideration. Abuja is chilled, people who live there don't complain as much as some of us from other states.

When you visit countries you mostly get to know about the aesthetics and terrain and a little of the culture but when you live there, then you actually live through their policies and laws and see a lot of what people, the citizens complain or are happy about. France can be great for education and other endeavours, it all depends on what you are going for and if you are fluent in the language. Personal experience, two friends both educated there one left to Germany and works with an international company, the other remained and is doing great in Finance as she could speak French before she left Nigeria. I have a number of other African colleagues who migrated that are also doing great across the EU and UK. It all depends on what one is going there to do. Is it going to be easy? Hell no! but believe there are more and more Africans doing great in those societies not playing football and singing.

Illegal migration, which includes overstaying, is illegal and does not come with any rights. It seems permissible in the US because of legal technicalities but it still is a huge struggle which nobody with a decent income even in Nigeria should abandon everything for. The OP created this thread to warn, despite his own unique situation and how he wiggled his way through, but he sure knows. Only people who haven't been to the US think it's Eldorado.

Anyway, suffer plenty for US pass the whole EU and UK combined and a certain way to partake in that suffering is to become an illegal in the US. The risk is worth it depending on where you are coming from. Opportunities are more in the US, bigger place, much bigger economy.

Celepope:

Them dey call country this one dey call France. I was in Paris in May, to be sincere Abuja is more beautiful than that godforsaken terrorist infested city of Paris.All the Africans i saw there all be looking like criminals with their black foreheads. I spit on this thread.For someone coming from France wanting to still talk about the country being a great country.

AkataWoman:

...

And yes I do flex my US muscles of civilization against Nigerians/Africans. People from developed countries have room to talk. Not surprisingly, they don't. You won't see them on websites typing entire novels about how bad the US is and undeserving of its reputation. Instead, they're too busy enjoying the same quality of life I do.

It seems you have problems with comprehension. The conversation was between supposed nigerians talking about migration to foreign countries and comparing them and nigerian experiences within those countries. I am Nigerian, still identify culturally as one, so I chimed in. You on the other hand, a DoS american citizen/native who is so lost and confused culturally to the extent of creating a moniker with a nigerian slur towards african/black americans, ' Akata Woman' come here to keep reminding us, deviating from the discussion that the US is greater than Nigeria Aren't you ashamed? You never addressed any of the arguments, mainly because you are ignorant, not of your own doing but simply because you've never even left the shores of your country. But continue to arrogantly disrupt with 'develop Nigeria' talk.

Well, whatever development the US have is not being taken advantage of by a lot of you 'akata' (since you seem not to have a problem with the tag) folks. Start your activism and US development crusade from there. Get more of your people educated like developed countries with excellent literacy rates, there are too many of them in prison and involved in crimes. Look for the links yourself, ironic that the reasonable ones among you fighting for better conditions and opportunities don't deny the stats. 80% of black americans are middle class and upper my nigerian light-skinned äss

And Africans and Nigerians ARE economic immigrants. You're not going to developed countries to contribute but to take advantage of the opportunities presented to you there.

Nope, actually they those countries and institutions I worked in and for need me more than I do them. I'll soon be going somewhere else and I do have a choice. Things like this happen when you are actually valuable and know your stuff. Guess you'll never know what it is like in your little bubble. I've seen some of you african americans outside your country and see the startled look in your faces when you see Africans, yes the ones from 'shithole' places doing great and don't feel inferior like you expect only white people to in your race-based society. Enjoy, your America while some of US enjoy your TV music sports and movies from a distance.

Another thing, for those going to America, don't be surprised when you know more about America, need I say the world?, than the people you meet there

AkataWoman: Most Americans don’t encounter what you’ve described. I’m sure you saw more poverty, ghetto and homeless during your 2 weeks in America than I’ve seen in my whole life.

You do know there are many people like this, even in Nigeria?? "I haven't seen or experienced it, therefore, it doesn't exist in my little America"

Take a tour round your country before you venture into the world. It's obvious you haven't lived outside the US, and even in the US you are in your own bubble.

Most americans can't afford to live in NYC, fact! whether they want to live there or not is secondary. Isn't it the same country where a lot of people would struggle with $1000 emergency? or stats change because you haven't experienced. I never experienced Boko Haram or sold gala on the streets of Lagos, like all the nigerians here commenting.

Nobody is asking you to bash your country. It's only natural to defend your ego it but objectively having lived and worked in places including the US, The US is overrated and the media actually deceives people about the reality

Come back when you've actually lived outside of America, not just visiting. And for the final time, this isn't US vs Nigeria or Africa, even your president called them shitholes. Do something like US vs the G7 countries (experience them) and come back before I reply you again.

80% of black americans are middle class and higher socioeconomically do they teach you guys in US schools how to lie to people in the third countries too? You think say cable TV and internet no dey Nigeria/Africa? Chai!

Abeg Madam go sleep! We love your music and movies and entertainment and your president too

@ajaladtraveller You're right people can sell just about anything in the US. No food labels, man I was shocked at the things that are permissible in the United States. Sometimes, I wonder what the fuss is about US Visa and the way those visa officers act like you are seeking permission to be the chancellor of Germany. Well, this is a thread for illegals so even war-torn Libya would be great for them so you can imagine the US

@akatawoman Most americans won't live in New York because they cannot afford it, simple.

For illegals, suffer wey plenty pass Nigeria own full there o plus plenty guns Life na per head

Signing out! Peace & Love

US civilized? Where else in the world would a 7 year old child sit on the front porch of her house or in the park and get ridden by several bullets? Yes, Murica. 'Online tourist'? I told you to spare these 'wonderful America' stories for those who haven't lived there. By the way, you have no idea where I live or am at currently. FYI , I have schooled lived and worked in some major cities in the world that includes Madrid, London, Hong Kong and yes, NYC. You don't have to believe me but I know the US and you are rather the ignorant and less travelled one if not you would not call the USA civilized if you have experienced living and working in other cities in the West as a minority and black person

The US is obsessed with race and I mean everyone is identified through racial lenses. Other reasonable parts of the world, you may just be a foreigner and newcomer but in the US, you immediately become 'black' and have to identify with everything that comes with it. Has it stopped or reduced in 2019? No! Would it, with Donald Trump?

You don't live in such places where drive-by happens, fine but do the people in all the recurrent massacres also live in the ghettos? or the school children who get caught in some psycho's rampage episodes. Don't the cops repeated use extreme measures for black people unnecessarily? Is racial discrimination a thing of the past in the US?

My comments never compared Nigeria to the US. Save yourself the stress. Nigeria is a shithole, unless/until you're rich. I only made analogies which you seem not to understand. Here it is again, from the outside Nigeria looks great to foreigners who have never lived in it, not visited because of the great music and popular movies and people. But make no mistake about it, living in Ghana, Rwanda, CIV, Botswana, Kenya ... are waaay better and offer much better quality of life than everyday living in Nigeria for regular people, which most people whose income bracket is less than $500,000 pa are.

By the way, Americans would get taxed by the IRS even as dual citizens coupled with 'work comes before personal life' culture with few days off, and crippling debt, are the reasons they do not go to other countries. How about you read about the experiences of Americans who left the US and moved to Europe and see if majority would ever want to go back to the land of home edition assault rifles and Donald Trump.

I have to include a rejoinder here, so it won't be like I'm just hating because I'm not. I only retort at the ignorance, which is understandable, of many here hailing the US as the 'pinnacle of civilization' and 'greatest country in the world' which makes me laugh in Japanese.
The US is great and has great education and anything on earth any other nation in the West offers sometimes even better and it is indeed the most powerful nation in the world by miles as their defence budget of over $7trillion p.a collapses that of the next country Russia, but here them talk about public healthcare, they say they don't want to fund lazy people but their taxes go into needless wars and destabilising regions around the globe while their people go homeless, starve and rot in prison without education and the casualties are the minority some of whom are here cheering them on

Never in my life was I afraid to walk around at night in public places in all my sojourn abroad like I was in the US. You just might end up in Compton looking for public transportation. Or the number of extremely poor and homeless people in a country that gives so much foreign aid. One shooting incident was enough for me and my foreign äss. Watching local news, which the US is great at, is enough to see the real happenings in the city. Just visiting, getting an education, the US is beautiful and nice. Living and raising a family? I'll pass over and over again, Thank you.

About being denied visa to the US , not everyone from Africa and Nigeria is an economic migrant you ignorämus. I no longer live in Nigeria but aren't you ashamed it is only against Nigeria you seem to flex your US muscles of civilization against? Nonsense and ingredient

AkataWoman:


And I can’t even believe you’d lie and say those problems aren’t existent in Nigeria!!!!

#EndSARS

You’re going to act like people don’t kill each other? Kidnap? Sell, kill and destroy each other for money? Rituals?

Maybe if you guys built prisons and put the criminals away you’d have a more civilized society like the US.

Our schools? At least we have them. And they’re nice with the latest technology. The number of rundown buildings Nigerians call schools are embarrassing. IF they’re even in buildings. Most schools are outside. Then again with so many uneducated people you don’t really need nice school facilities. Millions of Nigeria’s young are not in school and many of its citizens are illiterate. How shameful that citizens are forced to pay school fees in a country that’s so poor. Shame.

Why do your wealthy send their children to schools abroad? Because Nigeria’s schools are so poor and ill-equipped to educate.

The reason ALL citizens rich and poor try to do as much as they can abroad is because of all the problems that exist there. So don’t try it.

You don’t see Americans going to your schools or trying to get to your country. Yet y’all sit in here bragging on the beauty of another man’s country-as if your people helped build it. Worse is that you have the audacity to try to insult a country that’s hosting many of your citizens because yours is a mess.

So what really happened? Were you deported from the US or not issued a visa?

Excuse me! America has so many problems that are inexistent even in some parts of Africa. What have you done yourself to improve your bedroom, not to talk of America? Just look, even this week local news in New York City, touted as the 'safest big city' in the US. This isn't even anything close to places like Detroit, MI.

https://abc7ny.com/13-year-old-girl-shot-while-sitting-on-nyc-park-bench/5417326/
https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2019/07/26/bronx-stray-bullet-shooting/
https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2019/07/25/newark-drive-by-shooting-teenage-girl-shot-7-times/
http://bronx.news12.com/story/39776052/bronx-park-plagued-with-stray-needles-in-plain-sight
https://pix11.com/2019/07/25/man-shot-twice-seriously-injured-in-brooklyn-drive-by-shooting/
https://abc7ny.com/man-walking-dog-fatally-shot-by-stray-bullet-in-manhattan/5343159/

what is 'normal' in a developed country: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_death_rates_in_the_United_States_by_state

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/20/nyregion/boy-shot-brooklyn.html

First integrated prom in 2014
http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/04/living/integrated-prom-wilcox-county-georgia/index.html

And here:
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/23/most-americans-dont-have-the-savings-to-cover-a-1000-emergency.html

Homelessness increasing in CA
https://www.wsj.com/articles/homelessness-grows-in-california-despite-new-government-spending-11559899801

Healthcare:
https://thinkprogress.org/americans-uninsured-affordability-problems-health-coverage-5e357e236f19/

I could go on. You seem not to know what the pinnacle of human civilization is at. The wealthy in the US have confused you lot to always proclaim 'America is great' even in your misery. I understand when many of you move from abject poverty and deprivation in Nigeria to the US it seems like super glory, but to many others, it simply isn't There are much better places on earth to reside with a greater quality of life. QED.

I didn't even talk about the prisons and incarceration rate 'More prisons than schools' should I go on? Abeg make una deceive people wey never live for another country other than Buhari's Nigeria. Lubbish!

AkataWoman:


You sound absolutely insane. I take it your US visa was denied or you were deported. The fact that an AFRICAN of all people would try to insult a developed country-ANY developed country-is crazy to me. You’re not decent enough to try to improve Nigeria. Like a selfish coward you run to suck from another country’s teat.

America doesn’t need its billionaires to do anything for its people. We have opportunity and means to do for ourselves. However, our wealthy people do spend millions putting people through school, building homes, schools, etc. Many even help out the continent of Africa (ex: Bill Gates & Oprah). What does Africa’s billionaires do except live large while everyone else lives in squalor?

Great? Maybe, of course yes in comparison with shitholes; Greatest? No way, by a long shot. There are much better places.

Even in France, contrary to what is touted here on this thread by the muricans, immigrants can achieve status, not only footballers. I understand this thread is about illegals so it's focused on social mobility for them but people make money in Europe too, it only depends on where one is looking but unlike the US money isn't everything in those societies

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidjane_Thiam

Ugosample:

well well

What more do I.have to say.....

you have your own views
And feel strongly about them

America is STILL a very great place to live
regardless it's flaws.

Mehn, Akon is in a tax bracket that can afford to live anywhere in the world. He can afford gated and well secure estates in places where his closest neghbour would be 100 meters away just like sport stars and actors. How many Nigerian immigrants are as rich as Akon or would be or become as rich? and how many Nigerians who are indeed as rich as Akon, choose to live in the US

Anybody can make money in 'fantastically corrupt' Nigeria, then why are you on this thread talking about migration or are you not 'anybody'? Nigeria is perfect then, but why are we running?

Seems you haven't gotten my point, here it is: Not everybody would be as rich as Akon, Davido, Wizkid or Dangote but do the rest of the others, the majority, deserve a decent life in a decent society? There lies the question for migrating to the US or elsewhere in the West.

Beautyaddy:


I was trying to make sense out of some of your points until you made this highlighted statement...after which I just knew there was no need to further my civil back and forth discussion with you.

If you have to use Akon in one of your points...Where does Akon reside permanently now?

All those so-called rich artiste in Nigeria like Davido, Wizkid and the likes how do they contribiut the welfare and development of Nigeria? What taxes do they pay(or yes they will and are not required to pay taxes into a system governed by chronic corrupt leaders). Anybody can make money and be rich in a Fanatically Corrupt country like Nigeria...so what is new about that?

Ok good, but how many migrate legally? I get it. The US is the land of opportunities, so much money and much to do, good just like Nigeria in Africa but why are people, and I mean people earning over 500k per month, leaving with their families in droves or dem no dey see the 'opportunities'? Even my friend UgoSample wey dey live for CIV, why him no live inside Nigeria enjoy the 'opportunities' abi Dangote and Otedola no dey live there again? Some of us no gree live for Nigeria again, we no want be Dangote or Dino Melaye.

Bottomline, if money is everything to you then the US is a no-brainer but mind you money is everything usually to those who don't have it and trust the feeling is transient, because when money comes, other things become more important, like living in a serene environment where rights are upheld regardless of race and you or your siblings are less likely to encounter violence.

Beautyaddy:


That highlighted statement is a Big Fat Lie. Believe it or not.

Most Africans who come into the States that have legal status and who are not Lazy and do not want to depend on government welfare are not anywhere found doing menial jobs.

The US as a country is about if not more in size the continent of Europe and so yes, some of the immigrants who go to the US get in legally but end up overstaying the terms of their legal stay and which ends up making them become illegal. The way it is easy and accessible for the immigration officers to easily deport illegal immigrants in most European countries cannot be done in the US because the US is so big in size and population.

Mind you the US has a very decently regulated and humane immigration laws that give every category of people from the very rich to the very poor opportunities to migrate into the US legally.

Living in the US is completely different from what is being promoted. 'Land of the free, with the blacks enslaved' - Jay Z but you keep hearing land of the free and America was founded on freedom and self-determination. Reality isn't always what it seems. The US is super rich and there is a lot of money or rather credit available for a lot of people. Do you know about the advanced credit system of the US? When Akon said many Nigerian artists are richer than US artists because they buy their own cars and houses, did you believe him? Maybe I should start posting links, how majority of americans are in debt they won't pay off till they die or that so many would struggle to fork out $400 cash for an emergency.

You live in CIV, do the middle class there, medical doctors and high earning middle class leave in droves? but they know there is money in Nigeria and 'opportunity' in Nigeria, after seeing Davido and Wizkid, isn't it? That's how the US is to other developed countries like Japan, which is even a stretch by miles. But if one is super rich, one can enjoy any place on earth even Mars so where would that person choose to live? a place where people are allowed to have assault rifles like mobile phones. Do you know about 'Stand your ground' law in states like Florida? Abeg make una leave matter.

Last last, it depends on what some people want and want to achieve in their life. If one is at the bottom of socioeconomic ladder in Nigeria, the US would be a great place to migrate to and make a living but also note that not everyone lives with Boko Haram in Nigeria. What's the point leaving your decent living and secure environment in Nigeria to go pay exorbitant rent in New York living close to the projects or some gang dense area like Southern California? Some nigerians had never been robbed at gun point until they migrated to the US and to the extreme shot at.

Ugosample:



Regulations go finish you for France

my principal residence is in CIV and I have French partners complain about the regulations a lor.
to do business na war

upward mobility in France,?
except you are a sportsman
FORGET IT

at best you will live a mediocre life, a feel good life, a comfortable life

some people are fine with it

some are not

And remember
my question is....

How many?

Jealous about the US? Sometimes I'm puzzled if some people can even read. Many africans, i dare say like yourself, only think about contributing to developed countries by doing menial jobs but no decently regulated country would allow migrants come in illegaly, for that matter, for unskilled labour. If you think about migrating and your ceiling is sweeping the streets, the US is great for you. You can make something out of it, but don't fall sick that you would require an operation or something and don't call an ambulance.

Now if you are going to be meaningful and think long term and care about how offsprings are going to be raised and in which society, then you'd see that the US ain't all that in the league of civilized nations.

I raised a lot of points in my other post, still waiting for a rebuttal on how the US is better. By the way, there are so many lazy people in the US.

Beautyaddy:


Are you minding those obviously jealous people on about the US?

You have to understand that the weak and lazy Africans like to live in most of those European countries because they don't have to work or stay on top of their God-given potentials because of the following:

They pay very high taxes to the government so that everybody from the rich, middle and lazy class all get to enjoy the same type of social benefits and they all remain on the same level financially.

They don't have to deal with overt racism(even though there's a high rate of covert racism being placed on most Africans in those European countries.)

So yes, the United States is not for Lazy People.

So minority citizens don't own and run businesses in Europe and France?

Ugosample:


yes
that's it

How many black owner businesses (notable ones o ) will you see in Europe?

regulations go just strangulate you

especially that useless France

And who is saying America isn't great?

Generous welfare that's all you got from my post?

Ugosample:


America is still a great place nonetheless

not a place for lazy and unproductive people

if you want generous welfare
go to fvxkin Europe

Brilliant. The suffer in Nigeria is so great that some people have no idea the relative peaceful day to day living they may even find in neighbouring countries in Africa. They go to US see electricity, internet, fine cars and infrastructure and say the US is the 'greatest.' The major difference between the US is that it shares so many problems with third countries that are completely inexistent in its peer countries in the West. Greatest country where people in emergency won't call the ambulance for fear of bankruptcy and poverty

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/395409-story-of-injured-woman-begging-people-not-to-call-ambulance-due-to-costs-gains

pansophist:


See eh, I live in the Netherlands. I am so comfortable here that moving to the USA will reduce my quality of life. America has no public healthcare system, and healthcare is the number one reason for bankruptcy in the US, meanwhile here, even if my medical bills cost 100 million dollars, I won't pay a dime. It is completely free. Education is almost free, and as NL is a country of the EU, its citizens are entitled to live anywhere and access quality services like citizens there. Education in the Nordics are completely free, and I will take a course in maybe Sweden or Finland next year, and it will be completely free for me. An American ex that came to my uni for exchange could not believe that it was free for us to study, and she has close to 150k usd in student loan. Imagine starting life as a young adult with that amount owed to a bank, and it grows with interest. Just in case you do not know, student debt is a common cause of suicide in the US among young people.

The US is not safe, with the gun problems, I can't imagine raising a kid there. How about the foods? do I need to remind that the US is the most obese country in the world? Americans are fat because the food there is horrible. GMO in foods without the label. Over here, every foods has a label if its GMO or organic, so I know what I am eating. And I do not like that government spend money bombing other countries, policing the world and destabilizing smaller countries. Also, mobility in EU is so efficient. Go to ryanair.com, wizzair.com, or easyjet.com, you will see cheap flight for as little as 5euros to let's say the UK from Germany. Travelling is cheap, efficient and awesome. It is difficult for me not to travel at least once a month to a different country. In the winter if I need sun, the Spanish island in Africa, or Malta, or somewhere in Italy will do. Like snow? go to Scandinavia, the EU is like a giant, multicultural country, and I love it.

The US taxes its citizens on income they earn abroad. SO if you are an American working in the UK, you pay tax from your salary in the UK to the US. I am trying not to write a long sentence here, but if you wanna know exactly how I feel like a European to move to the US, read this thread on Quora, with European telling you why the US is a bad deal for to move to. I tell you in all honesty, I won't if you gave me an American passport. I can visit, but will never live there.

https://www.quora.com/Why-dont-we-have-more-people-from-countries-like-Norway-immigrating-to-America

You must have never boarded a plane yourself There is no other country in the west that the citizens complain and outright protest against discrimination and discriminatory laws than in the US. By the way, the UK is the most convenient place for a black person to exist, outside their own continent, anywhere in the world. Racism overtly expressed, certainly not in the UK, try USA with Trayvon Martin and the likes. A country that abolished Jim Crow laws as recent as in the 70s and you are talking about 'super racist.' Google it, some places in south of USA still have segregated proms in High School where black kids have their separate proms from white kids. You must not also watch the news and get your information about US from Jack Bauer and the Kardashians, about how americans, because they are black are screaming 'black lives matter.' . The US population is largely ignorant of the world outside their noses and everyone is identified by colour/race first. Completely wierd for anyone coming from Western Europe.

America to many Nigerians is like Nigeria to other Africans and black people around the world after watching Davido, Wizkid and PSquare on Youtube think Nigeria is a great place to live, meanwhile it is the one of the worst in Africa, comparable with the war torn countries in the regiion, to live in as a regular person where very comfortable middle-class citizens are leaving in droves. You need a lot of money to be secure and for the law to work in Nigeria and it's similar in the US because you are likely to get caught up with a stray bullet or get robbed in many low-income neighbourhoods. The US with all its money is the third world country of the West. I understand when sufferhead nigerians who move to US see constant electricity and start talking rubbish. Nobody who is rich or comfortably middle class in Europe would want to live in the US. Nobody!

I'm sure you have no idea that prisons close in Scandinavian countries and people sleep without locking their doors and move freely everywhere and 'don't need guns to stop bad guys with guns' or that in the US, majority about 70% would have trouble paying a $400 bill emergency and many people are one ailment away from bankrupcy and poverty and homelessness. I won't bother posting links, google is your friend but stop watching music videos for information about the US. You don't see schools and cinemas being shot up by crazy people with assault rifles (home edition) or gang wars in areas in the US? Or you think because you come from Nigeria the victims could never be you or your siblings? Just look at the some of the retrogressive laws some of the states are passing into law in 2019.

There is a lot of money in the US like Nigeria in Africa but living in Botswana or even Ivory Coast is better for a regular person than living in Nigeria. Right now even Nigeria is becoming one of the worst places to live if you are not super rich. Likewise the US, the difference and advantage is that social mobility is a thing in the US. The richest people change all the time and people move up and down the economic ladder.

Get your facts right next time, and oh I have lived in some of these countries and speak from experience. If I was Ghanaian, Rwandan or South African and middle class why in the world would I want to migrate to the US of all places to get shot or for me or my children to be called niggers?

Preetychina22:


I hate commenting on threads like this because it's always filled with ignorant comments from people who have never boarded a plane.
Oga, the UK is super racist and most blacks will choose US over UK anyday. Don't just depend on the media, travel and see!.
Yes, I have traveled and I speak from experience.

he's right

Fine and good, it's your opinion so I can't knock you but universities are different, someone graduating with a first in the best UK universities could well repeat that anywhere else in the world and that includes the top schools in the US. What you seem to undermine is the focus, perseverance and dedication towards achieving a first in any decent university. Give her her props, she isn't the only one that studied there.

RTSC:

From the experience of a few of my lecturers and friends.

From perception or personal experience?

RTSC:

Academic excellence in the US is harder. Significantly harder than the UK.

Especially in STEM.

Do you speak from experience when you feel that getting a first in UK is easier than in the US?

RTSC:
And so? If na America now, I for agree with her sentiment small.

Anybody can get a First Class in the UK including many students currently enrolled at covenant.

If ini umotong can get a first-class in economics while playing professional football, anybody can get it.

So madam, your daughter is not special. She is just not what covenant needed at that point in time.

Ok thanks

Beautyaddy:


This is the peak vacation periods (April- September) and so trying to get any visa appointment date very near to any of the mostly sort out western countries like the US, UK, Canada will be very hard.

And also Lagos is already over congested and yes the amount of people that are applying for the US visa will be very, very high.

Abuja will make more sense now to schedule any US visa to get a more reasonable nearer date.