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TemporaryHansel:
https://www.nairaland.com/8582978/lagos-tenancy-bill-mandates-court

Bad news for landlords. All those useless tenants that love defaulting on rent will have a field day with this.

Some won't have money to renew, and won't want to move out, you'll now be asking yourself if you are the one that owns house or if it's tenant.

I'm sure the law was made to protect tenants from bad landlords, but what protection do landlords get from bad tenants?

Hopefully it's click-bait sha, and the full policy provides protection to landlords as well, because a law that seems this lopsided will discourage fresh investment in real estate.

Nigerian's are generally bad at designing laws, but then we have to make them.

Ellexy:
DJT must be in those Epstein files cause the cover up and redactions is too much.

Like Boko Haram Sponsors list like Epstein Files.

The party in power go just use am target their opps.

DissTroy:
This is also why I believe if the government is serious about insecurity, it can end it in weeks.

Bandits go live on Facebook and TikTok. The government can request access to their details and accounts. Meta is technically required to give it to them on national security reasons.

The FBI was granted access to the Discord account of the Charlie Kirk assassin and that's how those who ploted it were investigated and the evidence to nail them.

Nigeria can get access too if we are serious.

Bandits are not soft targets, plus our force are lacking in resources, manpower, and willingness to do the job of keeping people safe.

Trevor012:
Fake it till you make it

The arrest no go pain am reach this fakelife wey Dem cast

Trevor012:
You didn't even post the best part. The abuser posted fake life on Twitter only to be arrested in face me i face you compound

MonsieurCoder:
Show receipts. I happen to know 2 of the schools you listed here very well and this is not true. If you say $6k/semester then maybe; $6k a year for an international student in a Bachelor's program that has to pay out of state tuition is a lie.

This is link to their tuition and fees for 2011/12 session, and it came to precisely $4,996 per year.

https://www.mvsu.edu/sites/default/files/MVSU_IP_2011_2012.pdf

MonsieurCoder:
Show receipts. I happen to know 2 of the schools you listed here very well and this is not true. If you say $6k/semester then maybe; $6k a year for an international student in a Bachelor's program that has to pay out of state tuition is a lie.

$3,800 for 12 credits, for a year it'd come to $7,600, this is their tuition for 2026.

This was not what it was those 2010s Dem, which was my period of reference. It was around 5K per year.

MVSU for instance, charges a flat rate for instate and outstate, and they're not the only school that does that.

https://www.mvsu.edu/sites/default/files/fy2526_tuition_bulletin1.pdf

afrodoc2:
But if they dare go on strike you will see how most of the posts on the thread would be people insulting them.

Grim stuff...na that Buhari tenure they really rubbish that course.

Although to be fair, no be just them, everybody collect inside the generally bad economy.

DissTroy:
The good thing is, even the Doctors here who were practicing around that period have questioned the veracity of such claims.

The real question we should be asking is why a 300 Level undergraduate of Business Administration working remotely for an Indian and Polish tech company as a Web Developer earns (comparatively paltry as the pay is and as a Junior Developer) more than what a CMD in Nigeria earns today annually.

Or why a Doctor, on the average, earns less than an SEO Copywriter on Upwork, even when the latter takes on Nigerian/African clients.

There was a time doing medicine guaranteed a good life, it's odd to see doctors 5 or more years into practice still hopping buses, looking tattared and overworked.

DissTroy:
TheFlint1 is a hardened 'agendrist'. I wonder why Bayo Onanuga is not getting tips from him. I respect his focus on his agenda though, like the Japanese soldier who kept fighting after Japan surrendered.

I presented the facts, including links anyone can verify but he's still trying to rationalize it.

I guess it's easier to argue what's obvious than accept the realization that your Deacon, a medical doctor, in children church who had kids in the U.S. back then he was paying their fees was likely a corrupt Deacon.

I have accepted that likelihood too for the many high-ranking civil servants we knew back then. Some even had group of schools they built from scratch and it has me asking how much each building must have cost since they weren't up to the level of even Perm. Secretaries.

This was oddly precise

It wasn't deacon though, it was pastor, and Ukraine from what I heard.

DissTroy:
TheFlint1 is a hardened 'agendrist'. I wonder why Bayo Onanuga is not getting tips from him. I respect his focus on his agenda though, like the Japanese soldier who kept fighting after Japan surrendered.

I presented the facts, including links anyone can verify but he's still trying to rationalize it.

I guess it's easier to argue what's obvious than accept the realization that your Deacon, a medical doctor, in children church who had kids in the U.S. back then he was paying their fees was likely a corrupt Deacon.

I have accepted that likelihood too for the many high-ranking civil servants we knew back then. Some even had group of schools they built from scratch and it has me asking how much each building must have cost since they weren't up to the level of even Perm. Secretaries.

Lol, it was the link you posted that actually solidified my position.

Once again, a CMD (or doctor of grade level 13 above) earning 3.5M yearly from the government as at 2011 (basic+ allowance), could afford to sponsor university education for two kids in certain parts of Europe and America if he had private practice that matched what he got from the government.

MonsieurCoder:
School fees for both kids $12k/year, in which University in the USA?

Early 2010s, you'd see several in states like Mississippi, Arkansas and even North Dakota.

Specific schools, Jackson State University, Mississippi Valley State University, University of North Dakota. I think University of Arkansas, Little Rock was that cheap too.

afrodoc2:
Lab science intern salary in Nigeria 2008: 60k to 100k with federal and state to state variation.

Medical doctor house officer salary in Nigeria in 2008: 70k to 100k with federal and state to state variation.

150k house officer salary in 2006: Still Lambastic Lamba.

I'm not sure, but what was the typical grade level for a CMD?

afrodoc2:
Lab science intern salary in Nigeria 2008: 60k to 100k with federal and state to state variation.

Medical doctor house officer salary in Nigeria in 2008: 70k to 100k with federal and state to state variation.

150k house officer salary in 2006: Still Lambastic Lamba.

That 150K was more around 2011/2012, and it typically started from like 120K, 150K was the higher band...I was mixing up salary eras on that

izzou:
100k in 2008?

You sure?

Afrodoc said it could get up to 90K in 2006...UNIMAID paid higher than your typical federal institution (not sure exactly why again), but I'm pretty sure it cracked that 100K.

afrodoc2:
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Lambastic lamba. Common ke?

It was 60-90k and in most hospitals more likely to be closer to 60k than 90k.

My sis did housmanship in Borno around 2007/8 and her numbers touched or was just above 100K per month, and that was as a lab scientist.

afrodoc2:
Most of the figures you are using are wrong.

Whether 2006 or 2011 no CMD could have sent 2 kids to the US or to Europe for university studies from his salary.

2011 was more my period of reference.

Which of the figures are wrong, cause I simply lifted them from the proposed salaries for medical officers, and 2.5M was basic salary for a level 13 step 1 medical doctor. Assumption is plus allowances, that can get up to 3.6M...if you add private practice, we might have double that, up to 7.2.

There were schools in Europe where semesters tuition is around $2,500 USD, less sef, very possible to sustain kids in those schools based off that salary.

DissTroy:
I also agree that Wike's father owned companies which he inherited like he boasted on live television which explains why he can purchase mansions from Omoku to Florida.

A Yahoo Boy record label owner with 4 signees who have less than 100,000 listens on Spotify and 26,000 Youtube views performing at university departmental nights can afford to buy houses in Banana Island, fund Nollywood actresses, and splash on cars.
Maybe he sells Habanero pepper on the side to celebrities, and we don't know.

We keep trying to explain away what is obvious.

You could have used these to butress your point on Mr Faruk, you didn't have to resurrect the CMD argument, it was a bad example.

DissTroy:
You referenced 2006ish. I focused on that period. I can't speak for the 80's or times past. The document publicly available - which I shared here - only shows from 1998.



I have given you the numbers and the links. I have shown you how the meal allowance per annum was #10,800 per annum in 2006 for CMDs. Again, it's on page 82 in that link. Stop hopping across different time periods like a mudskipper in the same argument.

Doctors earned better than other civil servants on average, but not enough to have funded forays for their kids into schooling abroad in 2006ish. Not with the forex rate weight against annual salaries.


I agree. Mr Faruk was dealing in scorpion venom and 'mercury' from grandfather clocks, too.

In 2011, a CMD would have been earning around 7.5M per year from private and personal practice, which would come to around 50K USD. From that money he'd have been able to sustain two kids in the higher institution in many parts of Europe, and some parts of the USA.

School fees for both kids 12K per year
Living expenses for both kids 18K per year
(flight was typically twice, once at the beginning of their program, and another at the end of their 4 year program, so that's miscellaneous).

The CMD would have still had 20K USD (about 3M then) to guide in Nigeria.

Mr Faruk was accused of spending the equivalent of 300M per year on his children's school fees, while on a salary of 50M per year...there's no Math you want to solve that'd explain how he's able to do that through his salary.

You could have criticized Mr Faruk for being corrupt and living way above his income without using it as an opportunity to resurrect an Akamu argument you made some time in the past, but alas

larride:
Are you factoring in family bills, expenses incurred by the private practice and other miscellaneous?

It's possible tho but it will come at great sacrifice from the family.

I've never denied it came at sacrifice, but what they needed to get it done could be raised within their yearly income, and that's my point.

DissTroy:
Even private practice was frowned upon for civil servants back then because of assumed divided loyalties. To navigate this, a few would work in , say, Ikeja then own a medical center in Sagumu or Adalemo or Ijoko. No social media then so it was easier to keep it under the hood from your PPA.

NMA and JOHESU went on strike so muchm they were the most prominent bodies going on strike. Forgotten those weekly press conferences and videod protests you watched in the evening before Papa Ajasco and SuperStory came on? I remember because it use to make for small talks with the grown-ups while I just watched TV but all was within earshot.

I don't even know if I can't fault those CMDs remembering what I do about how the government treated them. But, still, to fund their lifestyles was no way bankrolled by their salaries alone.

You've left numbers and embraced conjecture

Doing another job alongside your government work has been frowned upon since forever, but it has never stopped government workers from those selling melon, clothes, jewelries, land, private medical practice and even ghosting totally.

Yes, doctors have always striked, doesn't mean there wasn't a time when things were better than they are today, with as much or even less strikes sef

DissTroy:
Priavte practice was not always legal as a civil servant. If caught... Work in Lagos then have your private practice in Sagumu or Ijoko. No social media then so you could hide it to some extent,





Exchange rate between 2006 and 2011 wasn't much. #132 in 2006 and #165 in 2011. Okonjo-Iweala tried on inflation, I digress.

And in 2006, salaries were much lower. I think minimum wage was reviewed twice in those 5 years.

I done the analyses over and over, and not just on this thread. I've been having debate for a long time on other platforms.

A CMD earning at least 46K USD in public and private practice would have afforded school fees and living expenses of as low as 25K USD per year for two kids in Ukraine or Ireland.

DissTroy:
You're going back and forth. You mention 2006 - 2007. I checked that period then you mentioned for 2011.

Focus on the time period in view. Then convert the salaries to dollar.

Also, factor in expenses from annual salaries. They have families, right?

Even if you jump to 2011.
Dollar to naira was $1 to #165.

CMD basic salary was #2.3 million like you mentioned annually. That's #191,666 per month as CMD salary.

#191,666 is $1,161 per month. It was way lower in 2007, remember? But $1,161 per month as salary for a CMD.

Which is $13, 939 per annum 2011. (Again in 2006 -2007, it was way less).

So, from $13,939 he could pay all his bills and train his children aboard?

If you add allowances, the total accrued allows for a CMD in 2011 is stated in the PDF?

So how could he have afforded such?

How much as tuition, travel, upkeep, visa and the likes for his kids, in say UK/US? From his $13,939 annual salary? After deductions for upkeep and sundry bills?

LOL. We know the truth, man.

Citing the document then, I had taken time to go through the who PDF. Even looking at it on PC now so I can zoom in.

That 2.3M was the base salary, allowances would probably be like 50% of basic, so that salary was more around 3.4M, and this comes up to 23K USD.

Of course most of these doctors don't just do their government work and keep it at that, they usually have private practice which would pay them as much if not more than what the government was paying them...this will bring that yearly income to 46K. With some sacrifice, he'd pay that 30K and live off the remaining 16K.

Your point was the only way the CMD could afford to send children abroad was via corruption, I've shown that might not necessarily be the case.

If we take back to 2006, exchange rate was lower, and school fees abroad would have been a bit less too...that formula would have worked even then.

I know schools in the US that even as at 2013/2014, their semester fees were less than $2,500 (Jackson State University and MVSU). If you comb through Ukraine, a popular stomping ground for parents sending their kids abroad then, you'd find less sef.

Sometimes I feel like Nigerians don't realize how much APC has taken from them...make person wey dey make that CMD yearly salary for one month yet no go fit dare the kin things the CMD dey do then.

A CMD earning around 7.5M (if you add allowances) which came to around 50K USD around 2011 would with some sacrifice have paid school fees and living allowances (30K USD) for 2 kids in some parts of the UK, Europe, and even the US.

DissTroy:
Find it here: https://nsiwc.gov.ng/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/CONHESS-CONMESS-1998-2014.pdf. For 2007, go to page 80.
This is the Consolidated Medical Salary Structure (CONMESS) 1998 - 2014.

Did you know the meal allowance for Levels 15 to 17 was #10,800 PER ANNUM in 2007? You'd find this on page 82. PER FREAKING ANNUM!

And I bet many state governments were paying less. Actually, they were.

Why do you think NMA and JOHESU use to always go on strike, even then, complaining about non-commensurate pay? You think they were SUG boys showing off on campus?

I should know, as the son of a Doctor. I have mentioned it here several times.

I did similar analyses when this came up in May, but you guys were bent on believing what you wanted, even when I kept posting links and screenshots.

Why do you think Doctors kept campaigning to be able to do private practice even as civil servants?

Doctors were never paid as much as they deserved, even then - not as much as the public assumed they earned.

The CMDs who were training multiple children in the West knew what they were up to.

I think you should be checking from page 143, cause it seems the document first reviewed previous salary structures, and it led up to what the new salary structure was to be.

A university graduate from a medical degree would start at say level 7, and if you check, yearly salary for them was around 900K plus...by the time you add their many allowances, e go dey reach that number I talk.

It was pretty normal then for medical professionals to return from housmanship and buy a car with their years work, and this was when you could get Honda Civic for around 800-900K.

And according to the document you posted, a CMD which I guess would be at least grade level 13 was earning basic at least 2.7M and up to 5.1M...and this was around 2011.

DissTroy:
Find it here: https://nsiwc.gov.ng/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/CONHESS-CONMESS-1998-2014.pdf. For 2007, go to page 80.
This is the Consolidated Medical Salary Structure (CONMESS) 1998 - 2014.

Did you know the meal allowance for Levels 15 to 17 was #10,800 PER ANNUM in 2007? You'd find this on page 82. PER FREAKING ANNUM!

And I bet many state governments were paying less. Actually, they were.

Why do you think NMA and JOHESU use to always go on strike, even then, complaining about non-commensurate pay? You think they were SUG boys showing off on campus?

I should know, as the son of a Doctor. I have mentioned it here several times.

I did similar analyses when this came up in May, but you guys were bent on believing what you wanted, even when I kept posting links and screenshots.

Why do you think Doctors kept campaigning to be able to do private practice even as civil servants?

Doctors were never paid as much as they deserved, even then - not as much as the public assumed they earned.

The CMDs who were training multiple children in the West knew what they were up to.

...

DissTroy:
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Minimum wage in 2006 was #5,500 per month.

Dollar to naira in 2006 was $1 to #132.

Minimum wage in 2006 was (#5,500 ÷ #132) = $41.66.

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Minimum wage in 2025 is #70,000 a month.

Dollar to naira in 2025 averages $1 to #1,500.

Minimum wage in 2006 was (#70,000 ÷ #1,500) = $46.66.

The average civil servant earns more in 2025 in dollar than they earned in 2006.

Because inflation was lower then, he might have survived better in Nigeria; but in forex, he couldn't have competed based on his salary. So how did be train his children abroad?

Another analysis I did in the WhatsApp group which caused the uneasiness. The man who also backed me up is the State Chairman of the State Civil Societies Organisation.

Man, these guys have been corrupt since forever.

But I dropped the issue though then in there. No need to needlessly put a mark on me when I've already made my point.

The discussion isn't about the average civil servant tho, we're talking medical professionals.

And I'm not holding forth for corrupt civil servants either, I know as e dey go with them, my point is these things were with a lot of sacrifice possible a few administrations back.

Afrodoc2, Kingtom

Abeg how much medical grads doing housmanship dey earn around those 2006/2008 time (doctors, pharmacists, and medical lab scientists).

DissTroy:
Yes, you're making my point. When I stated CMDs don't make up to #15 million, folks on this same thread claimed I was "capping", nevermind that I kept uploading proof.

Their defence was, "I know a man who trained all his children abroad in the same position or similar, and there's no way that's his salary."

Remember what brought about the argument ? Me stating #15 million is a luxury for people that high. That any of them driving a car worth that amount is certainly not being open with the full details.

Even in State Civil Service Commissions, there are workers whose full salaries are #300,000 driving cars of #10 million.

A Police Inspector's salary just got raised to #250,000 last year, but you have Police Inspectors driving #12 million cars.

Before the Faruk case, if Disstrøy had pointed it out, even with salary sheet upload, he'd been be dismissed as "just capping".

Most public officer holders are crooks. Where do you think all the kickbacks from hospital equipments and upgrades go?

It's the same conversation I was making. I quoted my comment from May so anyone can track how that went - it was only me reiterating these points while they rest were upvoting takes based on "I know a guy who".

Facts are facts, even when most people don't momentarily agree. It's why I like to post links to credible sources when debating these things.

Today it might be difficult for most CMDs to do that, but around those 2006 Dem, which was one of the examples given, it was common to see fresh medical grads doing housmanship getting like 150K per month, and this came to around $1,000.

I'm sure your CMD from that era would have been taking like 500K per month (plus allowances) that's around $3,000, his two months salary would comfortably pay for a semesters tuition, plus small upkeep money for a child in the UK, or other European countries.

So that people could take their kids abroad less than two decades ago isn't automatically sign that they were corrupt or stealing from the government...these things were a lot easier to manage then.

DissTroy:
This was the start or middle of it.

We all knew those living above their stated incomes were corrupt in many ways but what are facts to a fleeting gotcha! moment?

If Dangote hadn't expose Mr. Faruk, he'd have been exemplified as how people in his position earn millions of dollars.

We easily explain away unexplainable show of wealth. Or excuse it.

Mr. Faruk is a scapegoat. What about that Deacon in your church?

Your point was CMDs don't earn above 10M per year. According to Dangote, Mr Farouk was spending over 300M on school fees for his children yearly.

Two very different conversations IMHO.

GloriousGbola:
Is it an insult when it is true?

To your dying day you will tell us that Buhari was Nigeria's greatest leader - even with his yansh being opened right left and center. I am sure you are seeing excerpts from the book being discussed on FP

You will tell us subsidized dollars, union killing, cutthroat insider businessman dangote is a national treasure that must be protected at all costs

You will defend the most absurd bizzare policies and actions because you are unable to recognize that these people are ultimately flawed.

His lionization of Buhari was later revealed for what it was...praise for the man because he cornered the rice market for a select few at the expense of millions of starving Nigerians.