₦airaland Forum

KingTom:
They didnt handle the situation well. Very very unethical they might have killed him, and were rightly suspended but KWAM1 na werey

Yea, the burden of responsibility were on the pilots who were acting in a professional capacity.

Make the man go dey thank e God sha and e gym instructor...cause na the small agility wey dey e old bones save am there

airmark:
You kept on twisting my words. Where did I type that Obi candidacy is Igbo agenda?

Many Obidients from the Eastern part campaigned and supported Obi because he is Igbo. That is a fact you can only battle but can't upturn. No sensible person would wish Nigeria well and campaign for a Governor that failed woefully as Governor, to become the President of a sinking country.

You are using emotion to muddle up the water bro. My post was about Obidients and not Igbo as a tribe.

raumdeuter:
They have always voted in bloc for PDP, And suddenly shifted to LP and Obi. I will think the tribal sentiments in Obi played a major part to shift the votes

The SW have a history of voting APC since 2015 and kept that same energy but a new LP, Many people in SE probably never heard of LP before Obi and gave the party 90% votes

Smells fishy dont you think

No I don't, many states in the SS didn't vote PDP like they used to and if not for intense rigging in Rivers and Akwa-Ibom SS results would have been relatively more shocking than what happened in the SE (and I'm not speaking purely numbers).

Think of it like a deep red state flipping blue vs a state that's historically voted blue 75% now doing blue 90%.

KingTom:
Werey don jam Giran!
They better check Olori Omo Oba's blood pressure because I no sure say him eyes go believe wetin dem see, dem for decapitate him head with that plane normally after such an incident a man should sit down and examine his life and make some changes but tye Balogun of Ilupeju Ekiti no send anybody papa

Pheew...na so the man for take go like that

Mad unethical from the pilots sha

raumdeuter:
There will always be those who will vote for a candidate because he is from their ethnic group. Nothing wrong with that but when it starts looking suspicious is when a candidate is returning 90% from his region

That starts to look somehow

Well if that region has always voted in bloc, maybe tribal sentiments would be the jara 15%. Or it could be less than 15% when you factor other things.

raumdeuter:
Yes but the main one was the ethnicity of Obi as a candidate why he can post such Ghadafi number, The type of numbers he couldnt even get as Anambra governor both times he contested

That's an opinion, maybe one that says more about the reasons you support your candidate.

Peter Obi is not the first Igbo man to have contested for the presidency, Ojukwu did and he didn't poll these sort of numbers, in fact there are non-Igbo's that in other elections performed better than Ojukwu did in the South East.

raumdeuter:
We have seen Tinubu barely winning in his home region while Obi swept his own region in Ghadaffi like manner, that is evidence to support which candidate had more support based on his tribe and ethnicity

That is not evidence, there are people that insist that the only reason anyone from the South West would vote for Tinubu was because of his ethnicity...there are even videos of people making such statements, so too there are Northerners saying their reason for voting Tinubu was to return the favor the South West did to them supporting Buhari for 8 years. Despite all of these evidences, it'd be lazy to say Tinubu only got votes from those regions because of those sentiments.

The only thing we know for certain are the results of the votes, the reasons for those results I imagine would be a multifactoral...in all the tweets you've been sharing I've not seen any where the persons are saying the reason for their change of mind about Peter Obi was because he was a fellow Igbo man.

raumdeuter:
So have you chose to put your feelings over the fact that more Yorubas oppose Tinubu than Ibos who oppose Obi?

No, I haven't, the results showed this, that's the fact...where we differ is in what motivates the opposition, and what the reasons could be.

You insist it's simply tribal sentiments, and I say the reasons are multifaceted.

raumdeuter:
He was not running against Tinubu alone he was running against Atiku as well

Obi was known among those who lived in Anambra during his tenure as a very mediocre governor, yet in 2023, he became the person with the highest percentage of votes

All those from his region who chastised him suddenly canonized him, Many have started deleting their tweets and posts

example is the image below, a poster who pointed to Obi "meager list of accomplishments" but has not deleted it

Or how does a blank post get 55 likes?

This thing you've described for this poster with 55 likes doesn't only apply to Peter Obi, there are people that support Tinubu that have done same too.

Why should one group have the freedom to do a 180 on their positions as regards a particular candidate, and another group be denied that freedom? Or have their decision to do that tied only to tribal affiliation?

raumdeuter:
This is false and yu know it. There are many Yorubas against Tinubu even on this thread than Ibos against Obi in real life and on this thread for example

And feelings sometimes gets in the way of facts, it's not unusual.

airmark:
That's not what I need, don't show a deceptive trait of Obi. I have an in-law bearing Bose but she is not Yoruba and she won't call herself one. Edo is not Yoruba, what's your state?

These are the issues. He indicated he's Yoruba, but because you believe that means he should automatically supporty Tinubu, you're trying to strip him of his identity because he's not in that camp.

airmark:
I know that not all that voted for Obi are Obidients. Those who are Obidients and that have cursed Obi or aware of his failure as Governor are those my post was directed at. Context bro.

Even if we're to say his Igbo brothers want him as president, Peter Obi was only governor of one of the five SE states...how did people in Anambra speaking about his governance suddenly become most Igbo's?

It's obvious you harboured deep-seated tribal sentiments in the post you made, no need jumping around the place trying to renovate "most" to what it's not.

raumdeuter:
You haven't told us why Obi got 90% in his home region which other candidates did not in their home region.

Especially Obi that was very mediocre in governance as governor where his people cursed regularly

I've seen lot of praises for Peter Obi's time as governor, I believe that's a reason for the votes he gets, plus SE tends to do bloc voting, and the person he was running against was Tinubu (a man past his physiological sell date with a shady past in the drug game and a notorious history of corruption).

airmark:
Where in my post did I tell you this bro? You are getting too emotional and I understand but don't force words into my mouth.

You can't equate a student that changed his mind about Tinubu after receiving loans from his Government or someone that almost lost his life on the Enugu - Onitsha road, now seeing the same road getting strong attention from the Govt unlike before, to those who highlighted how Anambra didn't have pipe-borne water and neglect of General hospitals during Obi's 8 years, now calling him the Messiah for Nigeria. Even here my man Okpa asked about what Obi did in Anambra to be elated about.

Baba, let it slide.

What did this one see that made him change his mind about Tinubu?

Today he's doing media round to sing the gospel of Tinubu

liveLongNprospa:
Lmaoo do they apply it to themselves ni?
When Ibime does it, it's a smart decision.
Someone does it for Obi, na tribalism.

Cry for me joor🤣

A lot of the people that today praise Tinubu to high heavens have in times past laid hot curses for him. I don't know why this freedom to change positions should be available to certain persons and not to others.

It's well sha, the good thing is we know what they're doing.

OasisX:

So Tinubu get votes pass Atiku for 2023 yet Batists go say South Easterners no like their man...it's well.

liveLongNprospa:
Same way those that cursed him probably changed their minds because they got older and saw he was actually better than they thought especially in comparison with the competition.


Aura for aura
Penis for penis
Support for support 😁

There are people that cursed OBJ/Jonathan when they were in power, but got to know better down the road.

At some point Ibime swore by Buhari, to the point he sang poem for the man, but today he's repented of his ways and now joins to decry the man's handling of the country.

It's okay for opinions to evolve given new evidence.

Ibime:
My man, that's not what's going on

What's going on is people who cursed Obi tenure now making out he was Lee Kuan Yew

Who are the people? Are there no people that also praised his tenure...why is it only those that cursed his tenure that you're using to validate your position?

sleekdot:
So why was it that Obi was the only candidate that was scoring 90% of votes in his home region?

Atiku didnt, Tinubu didnt, Kwankwanso didnt. Obi did. Obi did percentages he never did when contesting for governor sef

Every election isn't the same, or are you saying if all three candidates ran again in 2027 the electoral map for 2023 will repeat itself exactly?

raumdeuter:
This is not the first time SW or North will split their votes
but This is the first time the SE is not unanimously voting for PDP since 1999. Any guess on why that happened?

And that's because it was the first time since 1999 that we had three competitive parties vying for the presidency...Ojukwu contested prior and he didn't sweep the SE unanimously.

We have several states in the SS, SE and Middle Belt that had never in the past voted a party outside of the two major opposition parties but in 2023 they did.

Everything doesn't have to be simply tribal, and this isn't me saying there are no tribal sentiments that influence voting decisions (it does and it happened across board).

Ibime:
Spell Obi backwards, it's Ibo, the two cannot be separated

Anambrans who cursed Obis tenure as Governor renovating him at National level 10 years later can only be for ethnic reasons

That's like me renovating Odili or Wike, infact some hammerings Jonathan did in Bayelsa including a massive fraud on Imiringi gas turbines is what made me not stand behind him at National level.

Supporting a candidate does not necessarily mean you're renovating his period of governance, it might be that in the present context he's the best alternative. I'm on this board cursing Tinubu morning and evening, but if you put a Tinubu beside say a Buhari (your man) or an Okphebolo, I'd wax lyrical for Tinubu...does that mean all my previous opinions about him are invalid, no...it just means in the present context, he's the better option.

There are Lagosians that swear by Sanwoolu and the APC, so too are there Lagosians that can never see anything good in what Sanwoolu and the APC has to offer.

I sincerely don't know anywhere in this world where you'd have a candidate in position that you won't see contrasting opinions about his time...it's the nature of democracy and opposition politics.

raumdeuter:
What do you make of the percentage of votes that the 3 major candidates got in their home region in the 2023 elections and the possible explanations for it?

There is a graphic for it that I am trying to look for

Is this the first time the South East has unanimously voted for a particular candidate, and is this the first time the South West or North split their votes...regardless of the person's contesting?

raumdeuter:
That was when you became conscious of it, The original sin to me was Obasanjo regime

Lol, the quality of governance relative to what we've had to endure from Buhari then BAT says it's not true.

Segedinho:
But I taught u said his successor said he was abysmal and left debts instead of surplus nao

Lol, he picks and chooses when to bank on the words of politicians, and when to bank on the words of the populace.

Wetin politician talk no follow for today agenda

BlueRayDick:
There are rumors that PDP is planning to field Jonathan as their candidate to come and complete his two terms. They are hoping to sell him to northerners who know there's no legal way he can stay beyond 4 years. I think that was what Jerry Gana was hinting at when he suggested they even have candidate that will best Peter Obi .

My opinion is if Jonathan lose guard and buys into the proposal, he will only help Tinubu secure second term easily. Not only that, he will open himself to serious nasty media attacks from the agbado camp so much that the little prestige he got from conceding the result of 2015 elections; he will lose everything in a twinkle of an eye.

Lol, Agbado camp no go pity am at all, na then dem no reopen e Boko Haram articles of incorporation

I believe it's all rumours sha, Patience Jonathan has endorsed BAT for second term, and Jonathan seems sympathetic to BAT.

2015 was the original sin.

BlueRayDick:
In fact , I have a theory that if legislators are restricted to carrying out their primary duty of making laws and overseeing the activities of the executive ; we would see a drastic reduction in the number of individuals jostling to be elected as lawmakers .

Most governors who leave the government house at the expiration of their second term to contest for senate would no longer find the seat attractive . We would then have people who are genuinely interested in lawmaking vying for the seat . The practice of even bank MDs resigning to contest for senate ticket because of the humongous constituency allowance that will be at their disposal to misappropriate would no longer be a thing .

You're right. What we practice as democracy is very far from what it's supposed to be, too many avenues for rent-seeking has been created to keep every facet lucrative and it has ended up creating bottlenecks to actual governance.

liveLongNprospa:
Are you scared of him? 😁

Lol, it seems he's made a transition from Whatsapp BCs propaganda to Twitter's propaganda stream

airmark:
Are you Livelongnprospa's spokesman?

Lol, I'm just telling you it's not a road you want to go down. The entire country's run on crude oil rent from Livelongnprospa's state...and other oil rich states, makes up about 70% of FAAC and a lot more at some point

airmark:
Livelongnprospa, is this fair to the South West?

Consider this when next you are combing the internet for big projects channeled to the region, to tag me with.

Lol, are you sure you want to go down this road?

raumdeuter:
A good chairman project doesnt still stop the legislators constituency projects

E.g Say instead of putting 500m in the hand of LG chairman, 300m goes to LG 100m for HoR and 100M to Senator for the same area

The risk with the former is a useless LG chairman leaves the people with nothing while in the 2n scenario they can hope at least one of the 3 will be useful

Legislators doing constituency projects make no sense...the only reason that thing has been allowed is make money dey touch everybody hand, and not because of any fail-safe to guarantee projects get done.

Look at it this way, each cadre of government has what they consider their fair share of stealing, that 500M split three ways means there are a lot more persons putting hand into what's limited money, meaning even less gets to the people.

But beyond the nonsense of fair share of stealing, legislative duties are purely lawmaking, anybody that's interested in doing LGA-level projects should go and contest for LGA Chairmanship.