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Christianity EtcRe: Why Do The Gospel Resurrection Accounts Differ? by TheMadame(op): 7:56pm On Aug 27, 2023
Emusan:
I have done that and replied, you forgot?
I am not satisfied with your answer. Got a problem with that?
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do The Gospel Resurrection Accounts Differ? by TheMadame(op): 7:48pm On Aug 27, 2023
Emusan:
Point it out!
Read the OP and the four posts that follow it
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do The Gospel Resurrection Accounts Differ? by TheMadame(op): 7:43pm On Aug 27, 2023
Emusan:
Sure: is there DISAGREEMENT between the four ACCOUNTS?
Yes,there is.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do The Gospel Resurrection Accounts Differ? by TheMadame(op): 7:15pm On Aug 27, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
I've been trying to share something with you but i don't know why the system has refused to submit the screenshot.

It shows the actual name, date and venue where each writer penned down his account.

The truth is that they were unable to write any of these things when they were still in Jerusalem as Jesus commanded them to stay until they're able to see the fulfilment of his prophecy regarding the destruction of Jerusalem.
So after Jerusalem was destroyed they were able to pen down all what Jesus did in their presence and other activities they got info from those present at the events.

Matthew written by Matthew in the year 41.ce in Samaria (Northern Israel)

Mark written by Mark in the year 60-65 .ce in Rome

Luke written by Luke in the year 56-58 .ce in Caesarea

John written by John in the year 98 .ce around Ephesus

Act of Apostles written by Luke in the year 61.ce in Rome.

All of them wrote their accounts in Greek language but not the main Greek language rather pidgin Greek which was commonly spoken among elites and illiterates back then just like pidgin English today that most people can understand even if they're not able to read.
Does the bolded point prove that the writers of the gospels were not anonymous as has been stated by other posters here?
Please post it so everyone can see it. Thanks.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do The Gospel Resurrection Accounts Differ? by TheMadame(op): 7:13pm On Aug 27, 2023
Emusan:
Discrepancy would've been recorded when one account says it was WOMEN while another says it was MEN.

OR

The women saw Angel and another says the women didn't see any Angel at all.



Is this what you called discrepancy?

Discrepancy is when one account says there was an earthquake and the other says there's no earthquake but people rolled the stone away. OR the earthquake happened in the presence of the women and the other says the women saw how the stone was rolled away by the people.

If the women found the stone rolled away before they got there, definitely something had happened.

Christianity EtcRe: Why Do The Gospel Resurrection Accounts Differ? by TheMadame(op): 2:55pm On Aug 27, 2023
confusedlady:
Why do you always go around posting controversial issues?
Why do you always search for faults in the Bible?
These are books that were inspired by God but written by men subject to many translations. As a Christian, which I assume you are,read the Bible as a religious book and seize the MESSAGE intended. STOP looking for errors/faults and controversy .
There was a resurrection! He rose and ascended to heaven.FINISH.
I read,observed and asked questions of those who are more enlightened than me. You are not forced to respond if you do not know the answers to the question of why the resurrection stories in the gospels differ.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do The Gospel Resurrection Accounts Differ? by TheMadame(op): 12:26pm On Aug 27, 2023
TheMadame:
FOUR.


John 20: 1-18
1Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance. 2So she came running to Simon Peter and the other disciple, the one Jesus loved, and said, "They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we don't know where they have put him!" 3So Peter and the other disciple started for the tomb. 4Both were running, but the other disciple outran Peter and reached the tomb first. 5He bent over and looked in at the strips of linen lying there but did not go in. 6Then Simon Peter, who was behind him, arrived and went into the tomb. He saw the strips of linen lying there, as well as the burial cloth that had been around Jesus' head. The cloth was folded by itself, separate from the linen. 8Finally the other disciple, who had reached the tomb first, also went inside. He saw and believed. 9(They still did not understand from Scripture that Jesus had to rise from the dead.) 10Then the disciples went back to their homes, 11but Mary stood outside the tomb crying. As she wept, she bent over to look into the tomb 12and saw two angels in white, seated where Jesus' body had been, one at the head and the other at the foot. 13They asked her, "Woman, why are you crying?" "They have taken my Lord away," she said, "and I don't know where they have put him." 14At this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing there, but she did not recognize that it was Jesus. 15"Woman," he said, "why are you crying? Who is it you are looking for?" Thinking he was the gardener, she said, "Sir, if you have carried him away, tell me where you have put him, and I will get him." 16Jesus said to her, "Mary." She turned toward him and cried out in Aramaic, 'Rabboni!" (which means Teacher). 17Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father, to my God and your God." 18Mary Magdalene went to the disciples with the news: "I have seen the Lord!" And she told them that he had said these things to her.
At boldened ,

I never even knew one account had even Peter going to the tomb and found it was empty .
And I had read the Bible many times myself.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do The Gospel Resurrection Accounts Differ? by TheMadame(op):
FOUR.


John 20: 1-18
1Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance. 2So she came running to Simon Peter and the other disciple, the one Jesus loved, and said, "They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we don't know where they have put him!" 3So Peter and the other disciple started for the tomb. 4Both were running, but the other disciple outran Peter and reached the tomb first. 5He bent over and looked in at the strips of linen lying there but did not go in. 6Then Simon Peter, who was behind him, arrived and went into the tomb. He saw the strips of linen lying there, as well as the burial cloth that had been around Jesus' head. The cloth was folded by itself, separate from the linen. 8Finally the other disciple, who had reached the tomb first, also went inside. He saw and believed. 9(They still did not understand from Scripture that Jesus had to rise from the dead.) 10Then the disciples went back to their homes, 11but Mary stood outside the tomb crying. As she wept, she bent over to look into the tomb 12and saw two angels in white, seated where Jesus' body had been, one at the head and the other at the foot. 13They asked her, "Woman, why are you crying?" "They have taken my Lord away," she said, "and I don't know where they have put him." 14At this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing there, but she did not recognize that it was Jesus. 15"Woman," he said, "why are you crying? Who is it you are looking for?" Thinking he was the gardener, she said, "Sir, if you have carried him away, tell me where you have put him, and I will get him." 16Jesus said to her, "Mary." She turned toward him and cried out in Aramaic, 'Rabboni!" (which means Teacher). 17Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father, to my God and your God." 18Mary Magdalene went to the disciples with the news: "I have seen the Lord!" And she told them that he had said these things to her.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do The Gospel Resurrection Accounts Differ? by TheMadame(op): 12:01pm On Aug 27, 2023
THREE.


Luke 24: 1-10
1On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women took the spices they had prepared and went to the tomb. 2They found the stone rolled away from the tomb, 3but when they entered, they did not find the body of the Lord Jesus. 4While they were wondering about this, suddenly two men in clothes that gleamed like lightening stood beside them. 5In their fright the women bowed down with their faces to the ground, but the men said to them, "Why do you look for the living among the dead? 6He is not here; he has risen! Remember how he told you, while he was still with you in Galilee: 7'The Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of the sinful men, be crucified and on the third day be raised again'." 8Then they remembered his words. 9When they came back from the tomb, they told all these things to the Eleven and to all the others. 10It was Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Mary the mother of James, and the others with them who told this to the apostles.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do The Gospel Resurrection Accounts Differ? by TheMadame(op): 12:00pm On Aug 27, 2023
TWO.



Mark 16: 1-8
1When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices so they might go to anoint Jesus' body. 2Very early on the first day of the week, just after sunrise, they were on their way to the tomb 3and they asked each other, "Who will roll the stone away from the entrance of the tomb?" 4But when they looked up, they saw that the stone, whch was very large, had been rolled away. 5As they entered the tomb, they saw a young man dressed in a white robe sitting on the right side, and they were alarmed. 6"Don't be alarmed," he said. "You are looking for Jesus the Nazarene, who was crucified. He has risen! He is not here. See the place where they laid him. 7But go, tell his disciples and Peter, 'He is going ahead of you into Galilee. There you will see him, just as he told you'." 8Trembling and bewildered, the women went out and fled from the tomb. They said nothing to anyone, because they were afraid
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do The Gospel Resurrection Accounts Differ? by TheMadame(op): 12:00pm On Aug 27, 2023
ONE

Matthew 28: 1-10
1After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb.2There was a violent earthquake, for an angel of the Lord came down and from heaven and, going to the tomb, rolled back the stone and sat on it. 3His appearance was like lightening, and his clothes were white as snow. 4The guards were so afraid of him that they shook and became like dead men. 5The angel said to the women, "Do not be afraid, for I know that you are looking for Jesus, who was crucified. 6He is not here; he has risen, just as he said. Come and see the place where he lay. 7Then go quickly and tell his disciples: 'He has risen from the dad and is going ahead of you into Galilee. There you will see him.' Now I have told you." 8So the women hurried away from the tomb, afraid yet filled with joy, and ran to tell his disciples. 9Suddenly Jesus met them. "Greetings," he said. They came to him, clasped his feet and worshipped him. 10Then Jesus said to them, "Do not be afraid. Go and tell my brothers to go to Galilee; there they will see me."
Christianity EtcWhy Do The Gospel Resurrection Accounts Differ? by TheMadame(op): 12:00pm On Aug 27, 2023
Good day.
Recently I was reading the four gospels (Mathew,Mark,Luke and John) accounts of the resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ and found that the four accounts are surprisingly very different.
I said surprisingly because I found out that in some accounts it was many women that visited the tomb while in others it was at least two women.
In one account the women ran away and told the Apostles but in other accounts the said nothing. In fact in one account Peter even followed them to the tomb to see for himself.
There is also discrepancies in how the stone in front of the tomb was rolled away. One account says there was an earthquake while other accounts say the women found the stone rolled away when the women arrived at the tomb.
The accounts also differ on the number of angels at the entrance or inside the tomb. Were they two or was it one angel?
I ask these questions because such a significant event such as the resurrection of our Lord should be a constant and consistent account.
I will post the passages from the four gospels for those more enlightened to cast more light and explanation. Thank you.
Christianity EtcRe: What Happens When We Die? by TheMadame(op): 10:56pm On Aug 11, 2023
Dantedasz:
Not MY link,but Wikipedia and Guardian of London links. Below is what science is trying to do.

👇


Cryonics

Cryonics (from Greek κρύος 'kryos-' meaning 'icy cold') is the low-temperature preservation of animals and humans who cannot be sustained by contemporary medicine, with the hope that healing and resuscitation may be possible in the future.[83][84]

Cryopreservation of people or large animals is not reversible with current technology. The stated rationale for cryonics is that people who are considered dead by current legal or medical definitions may not necessarily be dead according to the more stringent information-theoretic definition of death.[44][85]

Some scientific literature is claimed to support the feasibility of cryonics.[86] Medical science and cryobiologists generally regard cryonics with skepticism.[87]
Okay.
Thanks .
Christianity EtcRe: What Happens When We Die? by TheMadame(op): 6:53pm On Aug 11, 2023
Dantedasz:
Some authorities have suggested we might be in a simulation like a video game 🎮 being played by a game designer. We as humans are part of a vast game. When the creator of the game is tired he might delete any human from the game.
These authorities tend to believe there are different levels to this simulation game.
How you make your choices in the simulation influences the next level of the game.

You may want to read up about the computer simulation at this link below.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulation_hypothesis&ved=2ahUKEwiX0s24v9KAAxUmTkEAHXTADzkQmhN6BAgREAI&usg=AOvVaw0oRwEBBbEyhBISJoisAuHQ
Read up your link and found it interesting but totally absurd that reality we live in is an illusion. huh
Christianity EtcRe: What Happens When We Die? by TheMadame(op): 5:05pm On Aug 10, 2023
Michael547:
You can contact me on whatsapp for a more comprehensive discussion on this matter and answers to any questions you may ask.....08167469103
Post whatever information you have on the board here.
Christianity EtcRe: What Happens When We Die? by TheMadame(op): 8:20pm On Aug 09, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
We came and discovered that humans do grow old, become weak and sickly then die so that's the situation we found ourselves both the good, bad and ugly. We also discovered that people all around the world believe in the existence of God/Gods and through the mouth of the adherents of these Gods we have heard so much about the world beyond.
So your question:

What Happens When We (humans) Die?

Should be a matter of concern for all right thinking humans that's why we need to ask the adherents of different Gods what their Gods are saying about the dead.

I became a worshiper of the Abrahamic God after considering what He said about the dead and i will like to share it with you:

The God of Abraham claims He is the Creator of all things only those worshiping Him in line with His instructions are considered as RIGHTEOUS so this is His promises regarding such ones:

"O that in the Grave you would conceal me, That you would hide me until your anger passes by, That you would set a time limit for me and remember me! If a man dies, can he live again? I will wait all the days of my compulsory service Until my relief comes. You will call, and I will answer you. You will long for the work of your hands" Job 14:13-15

The above is what one of those considered as RIGHTEOUS among His worshipers say, this means the God of Abraham has a special day when He will bring back His loyal worshipers to life so that they can live forever on this planet! Psalms 37:9-11; 29

But what about sincere and honest hearted worshipers of other Gods who had no knowledge about the God of Abraham?
Well such ones surely will live a conscientious life but since they're not His worshipers He will also bring them back for living by their God's given conscience! Romans 1:20

Yet many people are WICKED and they don't care about conscience so since they have nothing good at heart He said there's no need bringing them back to life therefore they're gone for good! Psalms 9:17

So all humans that have died are in their graves for now {Ecclesiastes 9:5-10} with the exception a limited number who has been chosen for a special assignment! smiley
Thanks.
This sounds reasonable and self explanatory.
Christianity EtcRe: What Happens When We Die? by TheMadame(op): 7:46pm On Aug 09, 2023
Kobojunkie:
You should go back and get information on the particular deity in that case. undecided
Are you saying you have not heard certain churches preaching this doctrine?
Christianity EtcRe: What Happens When We Die? by TheMadame(op): 7:01pm On Aug 09, 2023
Emusan:
Since you brought God into it then you must accept what God says that happened after death.



Judgement as found in the scripture is of different type.

After death, the judgement of temporary place for the believers and unbelievers are established Heb 9:27



Bosom of Abraham for believers in heaven and hell fire for unbelievers.



Hope it helps!
Thank you sir, but is the judgement immediately? I heard some people saying that the dead will remain in the grave until an appointed judgement day for all. How true is this?
I hope my questions are not too much? I just want guidance and enlightenment.
Christianity EtcWhat Happens When We Die? by TheMadame(op): 5:55pm On Aug 09, 2023
Good day all members. I wonder what happens to human beings after death?
Is the judgment of God Almighty immediate? Do the dead depart to heaven or hell immediately or do the dead remain in the grave till an appointed date for judgment.
Please I would love response from more enlightened people.
Thanks in advance.
Christianity EtcRe: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by TheMadame(op): 10:03pm On Aug 05, 2023
confusedlady:
There is only one creation story in Genesis. Chapter one explains the creation of everything on a broad scale,while chapter two explains the creation story more in detail. The two chapters are an inter relationship of each other. Chapter two explains Chapter one in detail.
As for the second question God knows everything. He is omniscient. Every human created has a free will to choose right or wrong.
Okay
Thanks.
Christianity EtcRe: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by TheMadame(op): 10:02pm On Aug 05, 2023
Veecruz:
Now you have moved post from saying "God did not know,".

They didn't need to know what is good or bad but they certainly knew that they were supposed to have continued obeying God. So no case.
Okay
Thanks for your input .
Christianity EtcRe: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by TheMadame(op): 6:15pm On Jul 30, 2023
ReacherSaidNoth:
The scientific errors in the narrative suggests it is the work of ignorant people and like the others have said, it is mostly copied mythology.
So why are so many scientists/scientific people adherents of this narrative(book)?
Christianity EtcRe: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by TheMadame(op): 5:57pm On Jul 30, 2023
ReacherSaidNoth:
Where is the proof that Yahweh of Israel is a real entity, let alone omnipotent?
I am actually talking in the context of the two creation stories in the Bible.
Christianity EtcRe: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by TheMadame(op): 3:42pm On Jul 30, 2023
Maynman:
I don’t have any source, and I don’t want you to “believe” me, I’d rather you find out yourself and “know”.
It looks interesting.

Christianity EtcRe: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by TheMadame(op): 3:38pm On Jul 30, 2023
Maynman:
You will have to do it yourself. It’s easy to learn jewish mythologies.
Ok.
I will try and do a goggle search. I just thought it would be easier if you were to guide me to your source.
Christianity EtcRe: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by TheMadame(op): 3:18pm On Jul 30, 2023
mbaise1000:
My source is the bible and tell me what exactly you want me to elaborate on and I will do that
This-

Christianity EtcRe: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by TheMadame(op): 3:13pm On Jul 30, 2023
Error.
Christianity EtcRe: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by TheMadame(op): 3:11pm On Jul 30, 2023
Maynman:
The stories are gotten from different sources hence the “doublet”.
Can you please elaborate on this 1. Priestley. 2. Yahwehist. and 3
Deuteronomy sources. Thanks.
Christianity EtcRe: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by TheMadame(op): 3:07pm On Jul 30, 2023
mbaise1000:
I know
Please elaborate more and provide sources. Thanks.
Christianity EtcRe: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by TheMadame(op): 3:06pm On Jul 30, 2023
bobestman:
It is cos it is not the true story but have some truth. There are ancient books that predates the bible and many of the bible stories was copied from. There were god men who ruled the world before Adam was created. Adam was created in the heavens and placed on earth. The Creator created another kind of men different from the god men he want to rule the world. This angered and made the rebelious god men jealous. They created another kind of men like the Creator they want to use to spoil the Creator's plan and corrupt the true seed. So in you bible their are 2 Adams, a Creator and gods who also created. The gods created their own version of everything the creator created to hide the truth - this is the god game! The gods rule this world. Endtime/the age of Acquarious/the age of the truth is the end of the god game. This is why your bible is all about the ppl called Isreal. They only are of the pure bloodline of the Creator and will save the world from the gods and their control over men.
You need to elaborate more on this because it is a bit confusing . Can you provide a source for this?
Christianity EtcRe: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by TheMadame(op): 2:51pm On Jul 30, 2023
ReacherSaidNoth:
The simple answer is that it is badly written mythology. Another part of the creation story that should give you pause is that plantlife came into existence before there was even a sun.
While this may be true you have to remember we are dealing with omnipotence here. God can will anything into existence.
Christianity EtcRe: Two Creation Stories In The Book Of genesis by TheMadame(op): 2:47pm On Jul 30, 2023
CodeTemplar:
Genesis chapter 1 and 2 are not two different accounts but two chronologically overlapping and complementary accounts. Chapter one stresses creation pattern, and chapter two relates formation pattern to created things and creatures.

I implore OP to study it again but slowly and carefully.

Formation is of the flesh. Creation of the spirit.
I went over it again as you suggested . They may be one story,but they are told in different ways certainly.

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