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FirstbornWds:
I'll chop your head off

That's what Pur7le wanted to see.

Debroslink:
FA CUP win against Westham
Win against Olympiakos
Are you kidding me?

Win against a shambolic Madrid team whose galaticos were past their prime. A team which hadn't won La Liga for 4 years in a row. A team battered and brutalised by Henry's Arsenal a year before Gerrard. Is that what you are using to praise Gerrard? Are you kidding me?

But when Gerrard faced real teams like Chelsea, invincible Arsenal, Zidane's France, Suarez's Uruguay, he choked big time.

Modric over Gerrard anytime anyday

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YVHGKJNrw8

Circumstances bro. Being 3-1 down in a final, to then equalize with 2 spectacular strikes for your team, dying minute, that's the stuff of legends. No single performance by Modric reaches this level.

Lol, that Madrid team won the La liga twice in a row in 07 and 08, so they were strong.

That he didnt perform well enough against Chelsea and the likes is main reason I say he was inconsistent which is what gives Modric the advantage.

obonujoker:
Lol... My Di Maria brother

Lol, My regards to Eder oo

pu7pl3:
Since Xavi and Modric are similar, will you also pick Gerrard over Xavi in a single crucial match?

If no, end this arguement right now we are tired of it

Yes o, if both are in form and I'm without loyalty bias, I'll pick Gerard over Xavi for that single crucial match cos he will deliver more than Xavi in that match. Over the entire season however, I'll pick Xavi more cos he's more consistent and will support getting a trophy more.

Gotcha

Debroslink:
Brother, what are you talking about? Gerrard's fine display against Madrid didn't win them the UCL that season. Pirlo knocked him out in the final.

I dropped assists provided by Modric which won his team the UCL, but you are dropping Gerrard's FA Cup. Can't you see the difference?

When important matches came up, I showed you videos of Gerrard costing Liverpool the EPL title and failing his NT.

No matter how you see it, his errors are greater than his exploits.

Modric hardly makes errors. Rather, he drives his team to glory.

You are totally missing the point. I do not dispute that Modric is an overall greater player than Gerard and that is largely due to his consistency in quality just like Xavi.

My point is Gerard has better individual outputs than Modric has when both are on song. In fact he is renowned for this. When you think of Istanbul, FA Cup 2007, Real Madrid 07, Olympiakos 04, you think of Gerard alone as the instigator, the magician, the driver in all these matches. Modric, like Xavi, on the other hand is more systemic. So when you talk of UCL final 16, Club world cup final and co, he is regarded more as a contributor in those victories rather than as the protagonist.

This attribute of Gerard is what I preferred over Modric. Gerard's drawback is that he isnt as consistent in delivering magic on a regular basis like Iniesta for club and country and that is why Modric ranks above him.

pu7pl3:
I'm sure you're of the opinion that Xavi is better than Gerrard yes? Can you lost his own spectacular outputs too?

Before you hastily jumped on my mention, you should have checked my earlier posts and see where I stated that Modric like Xavi edges out Gerard cos they are more technically gifted and consistent.

I only said I preferred Gerard's better individual spectacular outputs in key games to Modric's. You sha want me to add Xavi

obonujoker:
GenPop still better pass Isolation.... Hushpuppy fit dey GenPop unlike El Chapo and co

Guy, U sabi, u watch Prison break well

Debroslink:
1. Came from the bench to knock out Man utd from UCL round 16 by providing a goal and assist

2. Provided the assist in Madrid's fifa club world Cup in 2016

3. Provided an assist in UCL final against Juventus in 2017

Do you want some more?

Now your turn. Can you provide some scenarios where Modric cost his team of some major trophies?

None of those three you mentioned matches Gerard's spectacular output against Madrid in 2007 and in the UCL and FA cup final where liverpool were several goals behind before magic started. A single assist in finals does not qualify as a spectacular performance.

Even Messi has given balls away that resulted in goals for the opponent or lost crucial penalties so that is not a differentiating yardstick.

Like I said, while Modric may be better on an overall note, I prefer Gerard's more spectacular individual impact. If only he was more consistent in his quality performances, we wouldn't even have a contest in the first place.

Debroslink:
In crucial matches, I'll pick Modric over Gerrard anytime. I'll rather have balance and direction in my midfield, than have a player who chokes and fails in crucial matches such as the ones below...

Look at number 2 and 7 for God's sake.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YVHGKJNrw8

That was below the belt and frankly Gerards cup of tea (which most great players have including Messi and CR), but doesnt diminish his standing.

In reverse fashion, can you give me a match where Modric overwhelming orchestrated the downfall of elite opponent in a high profile match like Gerard did to Real Madrid in 2007, AC Milan in 2005, FA Cup final in 2006?

FirstbornWds:
E still remain.

Lol, Vidal, Zlatan & Alves. Na no brainer na

FirstbornWds:
Cont'd

M. Caceres, Davids Zambrotta & Thuram

FirstbornWds:
How much do you know Barcelona? This is ahead of the Gamper trophy ahead.

Tell us the names of these players that featured for both Barcelona and Juventus without consulting google or any external source.

Methinks first pic is Pablo Sorin the Argentine. The other three are obvious.

Debroslink:
No player in this century has ever matched up to the level of Messi and CR7. But even Messi had to Labour for that elusive senior trophy. If Messi didn't win it, questions of being the GOAT will be raised after his retirement.

Henry may have won more NT trophies, but every football fan knows that he was always in Zidane's shadows. Zidane didn't play 2002 WC and we all saw how Henry flopped woefully and couldn't make the Ko stage in a group that had the likes of Senegal.

So back to basis. Are you really saying that individually, Gerrard is better than Modric?

Thanks for admitting that its individuality first before trophies. A GOAT is expected to have both so I agree with you on that.

Just a slight point of correction, Zidane played either the game against Senegal or the last game against Denmark in 02 WC, so the failure of France at that tourney was collective as Henry also missed the second and third games due to an early red card. Also, Zidane did not play in the 2003 confed cup in which Henry won golden ball.

To your initial argument, frankly I consider Gerard and Modric to be at similar level/in same class. Gerard produced more spirited spectacular individual displays while Modric is more technically gifted and consistent similar to Xavi. So using trophies won to separate them is in order and on that basis, I believe Modric edges Gerard out in greatness.

But if I have a choice in a single crucial match, I'll take a prime Gerard over prime Modric.

Debroslink:
Boss, trophies matter a lot too, especially when you are a key player. One of the main reasons Okocha never won African player of the year is lack of trophies in his club career.

If Messi retired without a NT trophy, do you think the noise pollution would reduce at all? That's what journalists and punters would use against him when they are ranking GOAT in football. Do you think it was a joke when players lifted Messi to the skies instead of the coach after COPA victory?

Dont get me wrong, I'm not saying trophies dont matter. Messi's Copa win was a relief to us all cos it officially validates his all-round greatness and is good for his GOAT CV and I agree with you on that point. But that is all that Copa trophy does: validation of what was already known, rather than significantly change any perception.

My key point is that if one player is clearly better individually than another, no amount of trophies can reverse that fact.

Case in point, the fact that Henry Thierry won World Cup, Euros, Confederations cup and reached another WC final in addition to being instrumental to all these wins (13 goals in 4 tournaments) does not make him better or greater than Cristiano Ronaldo who only managed a single Euro win.

Even Cristiano is generally regarded above Zidane who won more key trophies. It is because of his individual prowess. This is my point.

Debroslink:
"Show us Messi's International trophy" has been a slogan by Ronaldo's fans over the years. When we showed them his individual trophy, they'll ask and demand for Messi's pictures in Argentina shirt.

There's a reason Cruyff is a level below Maradona and Pele in GOAT standards

A player's greatness is measured by how good he was on the field, his influence in key games, and his trophy cabinet for both club and Country.

I think you are exaggerating the trophy thing too far. Even before Copa win, majority of football experts (journalists, pundits and ex-players) still ranked Messi higher than CR.

There is a level of individual prowess a player reaches that will trump someone else of lower individual output but more trophies. That trophy thing can only be used to distinguish between players of close individual standing e.g Scholes and Modric. At individual level, Maradona and Pele are still better than Cryuff without trophies.

Cr fans trolling is inconsequential in the grand scheme of things cos it didnt really change Messi's standing in the eyes of the majority that matter. Only real good impact of the Copa win was that it massively reduced noise pollution from their quarters.

Karleb:
@34 Ronaldo was signed for £100m

A flop like Hazard was signed for £160m

Messi is a free agent. Even Chelsea would pay him £700k weekly if he decides to join.

This move is just cowardice. The family excuse won't fly. He could have as well stayed at Argentina if he doesn't want to move.

The wage cut is an embarrassment and insult to a player Messi's caliber.

Bros I am tempted to say that like Jon snow, you know nothing, but that's on a lighter note. The wage cut was just to fulfill all righteousness so that Barca can meet La liga's wages threshold, it has nothing to do with how Barca value Messi and most importantly there are other indirect ways Messi gets to be compensated for the apparent official reduction.

For example, the revised contract allows Messi to leave Barca after 2 years for elsewhere but will still get paid by Barca for the remaining 3 years he wouldn't play for while still collecting wages from whichever club he goes during same period. There are also some other subtle compensating clauses incorporated in the new arrangement.

Olajah81:
We call x-carpert in PS1 nd PS2... Dats box nd x simultaneously on playing pad

Yes you are right, its carpet-X together. When successful, the feeling is orgasmic, and some peeps are asking why I'm stanning Messi. Play Ps well first and you'll understand.

CodeTemplar:
Ishakole ... that's institutionalized rip off.

Ishakole is also a type of dribble in PS1 and PS2 soccer. You press both the upper and lower pad buttons simultaneously to execute the move.

Dont abuse me o, you just evoked some long lost memories in me with that reference.

Chai, when boys were PS lords..

ojaysam25:
Meanwhile, this boy right here is the best bet to break this two GOAT records...over 200 goals scored already.

You can obviously see that that boy is GOAT-struck and is obviously in awe of the GOAT, his GOAT, judging from the stunned smile on his face.

Thanks for the pic!

Broobembem:
Carry your analysis enter bet9ja make you win money, nothing concern Vee and Argentina.

Lol, baba don japa . No be you ask if Laycon trended anybody asides Erica, we con give you receipts you con dey shift mouth. Abeg comot jare.

Broobembem:
Once they catch una, una go deflect.

You said Laycon made Vee a finalist, i pummeled your coconut head with fact, you then switched to “PRIOR to top 5”

Prior ko, Pipiro ni

See you. Messi score well for Argentina up until quarterfinals during the Copa tournament, as he no con score for semi-finals and final does that mean he was not instrumental to Argentina's victory?

safarigirl:
Lol, please

Vee made Top 5 because Erica was disqualified the day she should have been evicted alongside Lucy

Consequently, housemates did not nominate her because na her Padi full there.

Laycon did not make Vee Top 5, the fates were responsible for that twist. Her association to Laycon, has helped her post show, but it had little to no bearing on her Top 5 place.

Are you denying that several Laycons fans did support, trend, and vote for Vee prior to the top 5 selection? Cos that's the thrust of my point.

Broobembem:
Keep shut!

Vee made top 5 and ended up with 1%, why?

Was she nominated during the last 2-3 nominations that came up?

Didn’t you see the game she played with Neo that took them into the final?

How do you people lie with such a straight face?

You need to be jailed for this rubbish you said.

Congrats, you are the undisputed dumbin0 of the year if you can deny that Laycon's fans helped Vee whenever she was up for eviction prior to top 5. Of course after top 5, it was every man for himself.

That she played a game with Neo does not deny the fact that Laycon's fans helped her in getting to that place in the first instance dumb0.

Go back to school.

Broobembem:
No, I won’t rest.

Who and who did Laycon trend with aside Erica.

If he gave Erica fame, what stopped him from giving others?

Once they start pummeling you with facts, you’ll start screaming “Rest”, same you that didn’t remember to rest when you kept dropping epistle up and down.

Who trended with Laycon aside Erica?

Vee Mister. That's your answer. LAYCON'S popularity rubbed off on Vee and helped her into the top 5.

Trended Nengi severally on Saturday nights.

Also trended Trickytee with the Depo slang during their HOH episode.

It's nothing new. Putin and Russia have always been braggarts.

Same way in year 2000, after projecting themselves as the world best navy, they then experienced their worst submarine disaster with the Kursk undersea explosion that claimed up to 180 Russian souls. Unexpectedly, it took days for newly elected Putin and the Russian leadership to acknowledge the disaster and worse still, their Navy were clueless on how to extricate the remains of the Kursk and its victims. After a week of utter humiliation from internal and external critics globally, Russia had to reluctantly accept help from Norway, Denmark & the UK for the rescue operations.

As it was then, so it may still be now.

Grandmeister:
Kings can't be responsible for most Snake bites globally because they're only found in Asia.

I mean most deaths from bites. Where Kings operate is one of the most densely populated areas of the world (India/Bangladesh/Nepal/China/Thailand etc) and this means they cause more harm to people than any other single snake specie. Meanwhile, Inland Taipan is also restricted to coastal South East Asia/Oceania only but doesn't kill as much people as King Cobra. That's my point.

Grandmeister:
The list wasn't in order of venom potency. The black mamba and it's green cousin have more potent venoms than a boomslang for example. Even more than a king cobra. Potency and deadliness are not the same thing. The Puff adder is more deadly than the black mamba in Africa because it is more common and therefore bites more people (more people getting bitten means higher probability of deaths)...but it's venom isn't as potent as a black mamba.

I was thinking same too, but based on our logic, the King cobra should be number one cos it is responsible for the highest number of snake-related deaths globally. So ranking the inland taipan as number one suggests that the ranking is based on venom potency, in which case I find the 9th place ranking of the Black Mamba as inaccurate and misleading.

koondog:
With that Igbo face of his, you need no DNA. That's a pure Igbo face and DNA in him...flat head, broad nose, brown skin and his muscles too. He looks nothing like Yoruba to be honest. Have you ever seen a yoruba that is not mixed with light skin
in your life?

Lol, this is inferiority complex at its peak. There are so many indigenous light skinned Yoruba guys. Banky W, Kunle Remi, Saheed Balogun, Jide Kosoko and so many other non-famous ones that I've seen around.

I don't know why you are unduly bothered by Giannis Yoruba heritage, and why the obvious jealousy. In Nigeria as is with many other parts of the world, ancestry is recognized through the father's lineage which is why surnames are from the fathers line. There are so many Igbo peeps whose mothers are not Igbo, but that does not take away their Igbo identity. Would you say Peter Psquare's kids are not Igbo again? Or whether Atiku's kids from his wife Titi are no longer Fulani from Adamawa?

wonder233:
I agree with you. However, what made season 2 flop was that the votes overshadowed the talents. Good talents like Kendrix Ologidi, Arewa Comfort, Efezino, Wow, etc got lost cos they didn't have the outside muscle to pull votes. I think this season, they rectified it by overriding votes. They simply used good judgement to ensure those who deserve to proceed , proceeded and gave the crown to the truly standout talent which was Esther.
Cos if it was by mobilising votes, Esther may not have had the outside connection to mobilise bloc votes and would have dropped out. Then, one mediocre like Nuel Ayo would have progressed through the stages and eventually win

Hmm, are you saying the eviction results from the live shows this season 3 were influenced by some other factor other than public votes? Cos they made us believe all the results were by votes o.

Grandmeister:
You've been keeping up. Season 2 singers were awful. But I still think season 1 singers had more talent. Those guys were just good!

In fact, I think the production took a break since 2017 because of how awful that Season 2 was rated.

Of course season 1 is still the best. Had madly talented contestants everywhere from Joe blue, Vicky, Chike, Cornel, Dewe, Promise, Nonso, Michael, Jennifer, Arese, David Operah, Obed, Emem. All these guys were vocal beasts.

Lol, this is the guy Alexreports scammed that year as Nigerias likely president.