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adenine02:
Bros try to understand we are learning

So don't rush to respond to me
Am not to outshine or outsmart you
I responded to your points stepwise

I didn't define Christianity

I defined religion and show you how Christianity fit into it

You hammer on the fact that Christianity as no rules, Haba Bros
What happened to the ten commandments

Even Jesus Himself said: “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill” ( Matthew 5:17 ).


What Law has he come to fulfill

Well you are free to believe Christianity your own way

Like I said the words God never change and you said "it change us" so we should not change it to suit our ways

Shallom

I never said Christianity has no rules.The ten commandments were not given to Christians but Jews.
Before the Ten commandments,what rules did the people have?What rules were given to Adam?
See,you need to understand man from God's creation.When Adam was created,he didn't have rules and commandments(except not eating of the tree of life).The reason is because he had a nature andrelationship with God and not created for rules.
However, man fell because of sin and lost the relationship.He now had to live by rules and commandments.Jesus came to reestablish that relationship. Now you are open to God.His Spirit lives in you and guides you.You walk in the guidance from the inside. You do not have to face Mecca like Muslims to pray because God is in every direction and dwells in you.Christianity is beyond rules.Remember Jesus said He came to fulfill the law.Yet He said the greatest commandment was to love. If I may ask you,what rule is there to love?

adoniza:
In a certain language, Satan means Jesus. Are you aware?

Tell me the language.

adoniza:
Alright gwongworo, I hear you. But you need to understand that not everyone appreciates that.

For instance, some people also refer to Jesus as "bros J" as his pidgin English name. So tell me wongworo, Is that okay too?

Some people don't even like the names they were given.If it has the same meaning in another language then it means the same.
'Bros J' is a slang and does not qualify in this case.

There Olaniyi in Yoruba and Olaniyi in Igbo.They do not mean the same thing and are almost at two extremes.In this case it will not apply.If it however means the same thing in another language,then it is ok.

adoniza:
If your name is Chioma but then someone decides to call you gwongworo just because it's the same meaning as Chioma in their language, would you accept it?

Why not?As long as it has the same meaning.

adenine02:
May God bless your knowledge bro

"Christianity is not a religion(yea I know many people don't understand that).Religious people follow rules just like in a school.Christianity is a relationship,like a father with the son"

This the dictionary meaning of religion
"the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods"


So I don't think it's right for you to say "Christianity is not a religion" just like school Christianity has rules that's why we have the Bible the word of God not the word of pastors
And to say "Christianity is relationship,like a father with the son" come-on it more than that

We worship God like a boss, that why we have cry and beg to do something for us,
That why he can punish us when we offend him
That why he test us to know how much we believe in him(sometime this test are tough more than how our earthly father will)
GOD IS THE BOSS AND WE HAVE TO WORSHIP HIM that is what is called religion.


So Christianity is like Islam, Judaism, Hinduism etc

You said Life is progressive but the words of God never change

And please stop giving excuses for Christmas
Don't get me wrong
I love Christmas too but you and know it has nothing to with Christianity

Shallom

The dictionary doesn't define Christianity.The dictionary definitions were coined by linguists NOT spiritualists. They defined based on their understanding.Remember Jesus said many things that made some people say he was blaspheming.There is a higher knowledge.

We do not always have to cry and beg God to do something for us.Like I said earlier,there are levels of relationship.Jesus said,' the Father is with me........for I do those things that please Him'.John 8:29.Again He said, 'i no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master's business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you.John15:15.See,it's servants and people with servant mentality that always have to 'beg and cry' to God.The bible says we are sons and 'cry'(meaning speak loud) Aba Father.He's Boss but He's our Father.

A lot of practices in Christianity were not given as rules.The Bible never said 'Celebrate Christianity every December as part of your worship'.However Christmas celebrates the birth of Jesus(forget about Christmas trees,decorations,father Christmas etc) and that is not outside Christian worship.

Yes,the Word of God remains the same but it changes us.

adenine02:
We learn everyday

I wonder why Christians always try to be double sided

The Bible was not related to "Jesus" in English

It was related to him in a language which he speaks Hebrew and Aramaic

So it's very logical to believe that the best way to understand God's words is to learn it in the language which God reviled it

Look at the Moslems they still call their God "Allah" and Christians don't even agree with that, I know Mohammed most have an English meaning but they still call it the original way they still read Koran in Arabic language even though many of them can not even speak the language

So I believe Christians too should do the same

Don't swallow all what this white men bring

Why read the Bible in English when the original text is in Hebrew and Aramaic

Why call Jesus when the original name is Yehoshua

Why call God when the original word is ʼĔlāhā, or Elah

Why read KGV of the Bible and not the original version

Why ware coats and tie to church when first Christians wore long gown and robe
O! U might say that old school
But Moslems are doing it
The Buddhist are doing it
The Hindu are doing it

Why celebrate Christmas when the first Christians never did

So please don't condemn freeze his try to show something that has long been over looked

And now some already calling him Antichrist while I really think he's Pro-christ


Shallom

You don't compare Muslims and Christians.It's like comparing oranges and apples.
Christianity is not a religion(yea I know many people don't understand that).Religious people follow rules just like in a school.Christianity is a relationship,like a father with the son.
When you relate well with your father,you begin to understand him and do what he loves without being controlled by rules.
That being said,a lot of books(best sellers)have been written in other languages and translated.That doesn't invalidate those books.
A popular film titled,'The good, the bad and the ugly' originally had an Italian title.You know it by the English title,it doesn't take anything away from the film.
We are not all Hebrews.Languages will be translated!It doesn't take anything away from the original.God revealed himself first to the Hebrews but His desire is that all men may know Him.We can't know Him only in Hebrew.That's a relgious mentality and Christianity isn't.

As per wearing robes and gowns as the Jews did,it was THEIR cultural wears!Other countries have theirs.We do not have to dress like Jews.God didn't give us that instruction.Religious people may dress the same because that is all they know in the limitation of their religious knowledge.

Jesus said,if I have spoken to you of earthly things and ye believe not,how shall you believe if I speak of heavenly things?John 3:12.Knowledge is not at the same level.

The early Christians faced a lot of persecution and were always fleeing from one place to the other.You expect them to celebrate Christmas under persecution?Life is progressive.

There's more to marriage than beauty or riches.

They wasted their lives.Sadly,there are no virgins for them.
Their deaths were extra-judicial killings though.The security system didn't have to take their lives.

Lukuluku69:
We are dealing with the Hebrews when we talk about Jesus, Moses, David etc the same way you will call Eledumare when we talk about the Yoruba's. Stop Hailing Zeus. Ja-Zeus=Jesus. You can clearly see the connection. It has a Grecian origin and not Hebrew.

That's crap @ bolded.Anyone can twist words to make a connection.The word is Yeshua.It is simply translated into another language.
Same way you have Giallo in Italian and Yellow in English. It's that simple!

Lukuluku69:
It is okay to make light of it but seriously speaking the Letter J is not in Hebrew as such any Hebrew words with any J sounding words is not proper. Words like Jesus, Jehovah, Jacob, Jerusalem are all wrong in Hebrew.

Are the words you typed in Hebrew?Is the Bible you were exposed to written in Hebrew?

These arguments are useless to linguists. They understand translations.

adabsmith:
shut up! This nonsense isn't acceptable in the gathering of [b]intellectuals[/b]that we are now

Intelle...what?! Hahahaha
That must be a word you just learnt but not associated with you.

Zeezxo:
so if they started calling him Satan tomorrow now you will also change your tongue. U don't really know what your religion is and how it was originated

No say You don't understand spiritual things.
Satan is a personality DIFFERENT from Jesus.The names cannot be interchanged.
Your moniker is Zeezxo,mine is Thorpido.If Thorpido is called will you answer? It's that simple.

DeOTR:
While God's Name in the hebrew says YHWH (Yahweh), the english translations render it as Lord, while satan still remains satan in english.

You want to compare Satan with God?He's the awesome One,the One of many parts.
Satan remains Satan,the defeated one.

DeckXavier:
I thought you said the names are irrelevant so long as we have faith, so what if I pray in the name of the devil but my faith is on Jesus... If their names are inconsequential, then they can be used interchangeably.. Faith is all that matters, but you contradicted yourself

You don't understand.Jesus and the devil are not the same person.They are not the same personalities.Their names therefore cannot be used interchangeably.

It's about the Who.Even Gabriel Jesus and Jesus(the living word) are not the same.
You can however have different names as long as they are for the same person.

DeckXavier:
so if I pray in the name of the devil, are you saying it's gonna work? So long as I have faith?

If you pray in the name of the devil,it WILL work.All that the devil represents is invoked to work for you.

ollah2:

Don't cry man. I know most of you guys are really vexed thay argh my Jesus is as fake as anything. Sorry bro, sorry : ;DD

I said piss off dumbo.Carry your peace piss away.

He may have suffered a stroke.

ollah2:
Quit being stupid like your others. How come it's only your own god that was remixed.


Amahioha is amahioha everywhere
Ifa is ifa everywhere
Sango is Sango everywhere

But no you guys are too stupid to learn

Senseless idiots who can't make a point without insults.Violence is ingrained in them.
Piss off

ollah2:
Most Christians are too emotional and that has resulted to their dumbness to the highest level.

Muhammed is Muhammed everywhere and Allah is Allah everywhere it's not changed. Muslims till date pray in Arabic
Buddha is Buddha

If you want to recite Yoruba incantations you have to learn Yoruba to properly recite it. Only the Bible was heavily Modified which had lead to many controversies and this thread to be in existence.

Nigerian Christians need to seek the truth, learn unlearn and relearn

You're ignorant.
It's more than just a language.It's the power behind the 'Person.'.

Which is correct anyway,Muhammad,Muhammed or Mohammed?

Lucifer66:
You're ridiculously ignorant.
Read the post again.

Well the ignorant look through the mirror of ignorance and only sees ignorance............and calls others by the ignorance he's used to.

DeOTR:
Why can't we just call him by his given name?
How can we even find salvation in his name if we call him a name not known to him?
The real name of God and the messiah was deliberately changed in the bible translation while leaving that of satan. Ain't that cool?

Not true@bolded.Depends on what translation you are talking about.Igbo translation?Yoruba,Spanish,French?

Seun:
Daddy Freeze is absolutely right that the original name of Jesus is 'Yeshua' or 'Joshua'. The 'controversy' here is about whether or not the translated versions of this name in other languages, such as Ιησούς (Greek), Jesus (English), Jesu(Yoruba), Jizọs(Igbo), Yesu(Hausa), and Isa(Arabic) are as potent against demons, and for causing prayers to be instantly answered, as his original Jewish name, 'Yeshua' or 'Joshua'.

One could argue that there is no magic in any of the names. They've all been used against ISIS and Boko Haram and none of them worked.

They do.

4601CE:
But he provided proofs and evidence to back up his argument .
If you’re against him . Don’t be emotional and attack him with your facts too.

What proofs?He's ignorant about language and transliteration.
It's about the 'Who' first and not just the language.
Whatever name is called in any language,as long as it refers to 'that Person' aka the Living Word,then it's valid.

^^^You've done justice to this,originakalokalo.

This guy really is a nutter.Whatever programme of the Antichrist he's pursuing will consume him.

I still no go learn am.2 odds,2 sure .........I no wan know.

Their parents are lucky it is not one of the complex ones.They are probably just joined by the skin or at most the intestines.

A misfortune.

Somehow I find the comments of ladies on this thread intriguing.

Such a tragedy.
Accidents can occur at anytime but with all that money they should have detected faults in the helicopter.

She didn't have to wear that.

This will happen more often now.Some women just want marriage anyhow.

Pastors should seek help when they know they are under pressure or depressed.

Too bad if he committed suicide.He let the devil get the better of him.