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He said he wished she was the one he was marrying and you knew about this statement before you married him.

Why did you accept to be an alternative,the next best option?

dastranger:
Have you forgotten one of the miracles of the Quran is that it is easily crammed?... The Quran was crammed, and written down... So if there was a mistake, Muhammad would av noted it during recital....
Now from one of your points you claimed Barnabas was rejected because he wasn't a disciple... And you claimed Luke had a more correct script.... How could you be sure? He even said he got them according to eyewitness.....or were you there when it was bn written down? Or have you ever asked yourself this question that what if some parts of Barnabas script is right ? Even If Barnabas was a disciple or part of allies of the disciples...some parts of his scripts could av bn right because he was close to them just like Luke and John.... Ponder well, forget about what your pastors told you

What pastors told?I'm a bible student.The bible has copies in english so you can do your own research.You should make comparisons with the greek copies.Not sitting down listening to what a pastor said.That's the big difference with the quran that a lot of muslims cannot read and depend on just imams.

This gospel of Barnabas,have you read a copy yourself or are you just following what you heard from imams?
Do you know that Barnabas was not the real name of barnabas but was a name given to him by the disciples after Jesus had left?
Do you know that gospel of Barnabas claimed Muhammed was the Messiah and yet the quran says Jesus was?
Do you know that gospel of Barnabas claims Jesus was born under a bright light and yet the quran claims He was born under a palm tree?
How come you accept this gospel of Barnabas that opposes your quran?

You said some parts of the gospel of Barnabas could have been right?Listen to yourself.
Why do some parts have to be right?Should it be all correct as an authentic gospel?Are you not inadvertently agreeing that the parts that are not correct makes it invalid?

dastranger:
Point of correction..... The Quran was written down during the time of Muhammad SAW by the scribes .... But it was compiled together as a book in whole after his time
.Pls answer this question

.why would the pple accept Luke and John when they themselves were not a disciple just like Barnabas

You say the quran was written by scribes.........you agree other people wrote it.
That means it is subject to misrepresentation whether you agree or not.

I already told you Luke was an acquaintance of Peter.He wrote some of his words.That is more authentic than the words of Barnabas.

dastranger:
.why would the pple accept Luke and John when they themselves were not a disciple just like Barnabas
Luke said in his recording 1:2-3
Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the
beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word; 3 It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus,

If Luke had said that he himself was not an eyewitness and the knowledge he gathered was from eyewitnesses and not as words inspired by God, would you say that present day's Bible is God's word?

Muhammed himself never wrote the quran.Others wrote it,even if it is claimed he gave them the words.
Are you saying then that judging by your postulation,one can easily throw away the quran since Muhammed didn't write it?

muib:
But they were not disciples right..thats just what i am trying to say

Divorce should be a last resort.Every effort should be made to work out the problems that arise but if there is no end in sight,especially the abuse,it must come to an end.

What is however more important is the foundation of the marriage.Young people are getting into marriages with the foundation of greed and material gains.There is a lot of impatience too and sexual relationships becloud the mind to pay attention to the more important things......respect,friendship,level headedness etc

Francesxavier:
Pls, i would like to know the difference between physiotherapy and med rehab.

No difference.Some schools just call it medical rehabilitation.
Physiotherapy is medical rehabilitation.

chaircover:
very scary topic

. . .but people do change and the wife you trustrd back in 1997 could end up giving you someone elses child. Sad but true

But for a man to go off and do a DNA test on a child that turns out to be his, could put a blot on that marriage unless the wife doesnt know about it. I will be very offended if my husband carrys out a DNA test on his children.

It's a hard thing.
For the man to contemplate doing a DNA test,some issues would have been brewing.
In such a case,I would say the man should do the test discreetly and hope the wife doesn't find out.
The knockout that comes from finding out from someone else's report is bad.Like someone mentioned,some men end up with a stroke.

Tattooboy:
fun while a human life is at stake? C'mon

They had obviously done what they needed to do.It takes less than 2 minutes to take a picture.It was not like they opened the body and went away for some hours.

dastranger:
bro I see you just want to prove yourself right.., its good to admit when someone is wrong at times.... everything you put still doesn't justify anything sir..
"can and may" re used interchangeably Bro... this is dictionary definition again

 —"used to indicate possibility" <do you think he can still be alive><those things can happen> ;sometimes used interchangeably with may 
you see it still doesn't mean it'll happen necessarily

It's not about proving myself right.That scripture is simple enough..It's muslims who want it to fit into what they accept.I was not the one that wrote the bible.

dastranger:
may means it can or it cannot.... it doesn't necessarily mean it'll happen
This is dictionary definition bro
—used to indicate possibility or probability <you may be right><things you may need> ;sometimes used interchangeablywith can <one of those slipups thatmay happen from time to time —

Okay if we say may can also be used interchangeably with can,then let's write that scripture as;

....Another Comforter that he 'can' abide with you forever...'Now 'can' Muhammed abide forever?- if we say this was written before he was born.

dastranger:
My brother naa simple English naa.... "that he may abide there in forever" not will

And note that Jesus and the Bible is exalted and glorified in the Quran

Guy,na the simple english you are misunderstanding.
When you say,you may use the car,I hope you know what it means.
It means use the car.

There's nothing wrong with it.I however don't fancy it.
I always have the impression that one of the couples may not really be in love but do it just to complete the equation.

sorextee:
U guys shld keep arguing o. I'm here, reading, scrolling and judging..
I have a dream, that one day, the Christians and Muslims will embrace one another, in peace and harmony. The Christian can marry the Muslims, and vice versa, without any hassles. I grew up in the north. I have lots of muslim friends. And we all lived together, with one love. I could remember the 2001 riot in kano, when they invaded our area. We were sheltered by my muslim neighbors. These are very nice people. They read their Koran, perform all muslim duties. To me, they are (and others who do such) are pious Muslims. But these Boko haram, isis, hezbollah, al-qaeeda, etc. I don't know which Koran they read o. Maybe the advanced one. Religion to me, has caused more chaos than peace.. I'm still yet to see which terrorist has died, gone to heaven, chilling with 72 virgins..

We all should live in peace and harmony irrespective of religion.

We are only putting forth points based on scriptures.We are not fighting.We are dealing maturedly with this.

Of course people who cause destruction do it of evil intentions.

afolag:
we love and respect jesus (peace and blessings of Almighty be upon him) he was glorified in the quran, just as he said, infact Quran been the conglomeration of all books gave full account of the story before and after the birth and days of jesus on earth. So my friend we dont need to argue because Allah made us understand tru mohammed (pbuh) that on the day of judgement all those who call jesus d son of God will go to him and he will tell them that when and where did he say so. Thats why I enjoined you to find the original bible untouched study it for ur sake so you could prepare ur answers for the day of reckoning. May God bless us both with the full understanding of his words.

The quran is Muhammed's story.The bible is made up of different books of prophets all bearing witness of Jesus and His message.Strangely,only the quran bears witness of Muhammed.

It was the quran that denied the gospel in the bible and it is Islam that should provide the original.
You may not understand as muslims but Jesus is a Spirit(even as the quran testifies) and He is alive today.The relationship a true Christian has with Jesus is beyond religion and even the written words of the bible.Jesus is made alive to me.It's beyond religion.

dastranger:
Pls note that Islam did not deny the existence of the Bible.... It's very well exalted in the Quran.... The only thing is just that you Christians choose not to accept that Quran is the seal of the books, the same way the Jews chose not to acknowledge the Bible.....concerning the originality you and I both know that's a farce ......so does it make sense to produce a book in different versions when it's original is somewhere and they can just do a copy for everyone instead of everyone having different versions

we have been on the same issue since.The one who denies has the responsibility to provide the original.It's that simple.

dastranger:
2. Prophet Muhammad (s) is the last Prophet of God

John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever"

John 15:26 "But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, [even] the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me"

John 16:7-14 "Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: Of sin, because they believe not on me; Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged. I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew [it] unto you."

The quran doesn't recognise God as the Father.So why are you quoting this scripture?

Now read carefully the scripture you quoted.
Jesus said the Comforter will abide forever.Did Muhammed abide forever?No he is dead with a grave.
Jesus said the Comforter is a Spirit.Was Muhammed a spirit?
Jesus said,He shall glorify me.Did Muhammed's doctrine expressly glorify Jesus?

The scripture you quoted did not speak of Muhammed.I know you muslims always quote it without reading the words.You need something to give Muhammed that credibility.

dastranger:
When you yourself admitted that the Bible cannot be found in its original Aramaic form.... Does it not make sense to question the originality of the Bible, does it not make sense to question a book that took transition from old to new, does it not make to question a book that goes on changing having different versions..... It simply means I and you can even make a Bible... And simply name it eg "dastranger version"

Do a bit of research.There are still copies of the Bible that were published before Muhammed was born.I'm sure you will find a copy in the Library of Congress.The British museum should also have a copy.The fundamental message of Jesus is the same.
It was Muhammed's doctrines that denied the gospel in the Bible.He should simply have provided an original copy.
At least ask Allah for a copy.

dastranger:
Jesus said in the book of Mathew 15 verse 9

"But in vain they do worship me teaching for doctrines the commandments of men"
What dd he mean and who was he referring to here

I laugh.You are quoting a scripture without knowing the import of it.

The disciples of Jesus asked Him why he spoke more in parables.Jesus said,'that they having eyes should not see and having ears should not understand........lest they be converted and I should heal them.Who was he talking about here?

I have tried explaining things yet you say you don't understand.You know why?
Having eyes is not enough.

dastranger:
That is why I said you guys choose to believe what appease to you...
You rejected Barnabas because his teachings re similar to that of Muslims doctrines

Barnabas was not one of the disciples of Jesus.His doctrines are also contradictory.I just told you he said Muhammed is the messaih which is contrary to the bible and even the quran.Is that too difficult to understand?
Do you accept what is shown to be false?

muib:
Was john,luke one of the apostles?

Do a research on Luke and John.They were acquitances of the disciples.

afolag:
Am sorry to bring this back I just wanna chip in this if u could help me with it. Pls kindly help me make a search for a bible actually written without revision that contains those words originally I they were spelt. revised edition may not be representing the way it was. I need an untouched version just like the quran the muslims av been using over 4100yrs which they will still be using.

It was Islam that denied the gospel in the bible.It's the responsibility of Islam to bring the original version.It's a man that rejects something that has the responsibility of producing the original as evidence.

dastranger:
I believe the problem is your answers re not convincing Bro.... If you look at my questions... I found no replies that corresponds to the questions

Re-read my responses.I have tried to break it down as much as possible.
The understanding is not my responsibility but yours.I can't do anything about that.

dastranger:

Even some discoveries were done but you pple debunked it as usual and labeled it blasphemy e.g is the story of a Bible believed to be 1500 yrs old...

This discovery turns modern Christianity on its head! This bible, dating as far back as 2,000 years, details the
Gospel of Barnabas, a disciple of Jesus Christ, which
shows that Jesus wasn’t actually crucified and doesn’t
claim him to be the son of God, but instead a prophet.
The book charges that Apostle Paul was “The Impostor.”
The story is completely different. In the Book of
Barnabas, Jesus wasn’t crucified, but ascended to
heaven alive, and Judas Iscariot was crucified instead.
The National Turk issued a report saying that the bible was seized from smugglers is a Mediterranean operation. The report states the gang was charged with
smuggling a variety of things, such as antiques, illegal
excavations and even explosives. The book is valued at
around $28 million. That’s quite the find! Experts and
Authorities in Tehran insist that the book is authentic.

It’swritten in gold lettering on loosely tied leather in Aramaic, the language of Christ. There are connections that can be drawn between this text and Islam, and it directly contradicts the New Testament’s teaching. In it, Jesus also predicts the birth of Prophet Muhammed, who founded Islam 700 years later.

Experts believe that during the Council of Nicea , the
Catholic Church went through and hand picked the
gospels that form what we know the bible to be today and omitted the Gospel of Barnabas (among others) in favor of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. These original texts surfaced over time, and this new discovery is especially worrying to the Catholic church. So what does this mean for religions derived of Christianity? It’s a bit of a predicament. The Vatican has asked Turkish authorities to allow them access to the book for examination. The big question is: will they accept it as evidence, deny its validity, or call it a “Muslim lie” as “Truth” Magazine did in 2000?

To many people, this book is seen as a cause for hope.
But what does this mean for atheists? Is it a real text or a hoax? And does it even really matter? With any luck, this newly discovered text will force theologians to ask deeper questions about their faiths instead of believing it withoutthinking. Only time will tell. In the meantime, keep an open mind, be respectful of the beliefs of others, and remember that it’s our responsibility to take care of one another and this place we call home.
Source:http://higherperspective.com/2014/05/1500-year-old-bible.html#g0mejRH4Ej2vMEHe.99
see below for pictures
But again you pple debunked this report as usual and said it's blasphemy

Barnabas was not one of the twelve disciples.It turns the story on it's head.
Every other thing renders it invalid.

^^^what about the pictures that are taken by journalists and video recording of surgeries that they even show on television?

I think Doctors should be allowed some fun.It can't be all work and no play.

dastranger:
I never sed one can be perfected to God standards....you only have to strive bro... And again you avoided all my questions... Maybe I should just assume you have no answer to it just like many other Christians couldn't give me an answer.... And note that I still av other questions for you later

I have answered your questions.The problemis you don't understand it.

Have you read this gospel of Barnabas?Do you know that it contradicts even the quran?
It says that Muhammed and not Jesus is the Messaih(Al Maseeh) which is even contrary to what the quran says.
The gospel of Barnabas is rejected cos of it's invalidity.

dastranger:
Good works I meant here means you do things according to Allah's commandment and that is if your good deeds outweighs the bad ones

You are qualified when your good works outweigh the bad?Okay o.We will all find out if it is true at the end.

dastranger:
How can we provide the proof when the Christians themselves cannot find all the gospels of the disciples..See it's fact that you Christians don't av all the gospels.. You only choose the ones that appease to you and choose to debunk the rest ..... And you didn't answer my questions Bro, you only avoided it....why the transition in the Bible? And does being a Christian mean you cannot commit sin again hence you're guaranteed paradise?

it was Islam that disputed the gospel in the Bible.Islam therefore should do due diligence and provide the original.
Being a Christian does not mean you cannot commit sin.It only means you have been accepted by God and you have a life that can please Him.Also,your life is not judged by good works(cos no man's good works can meet God's standard)but you will be able to do the good works that please God.

dastranger:
Don't get it wrong, Islam guarantees paradise to anyone that does good and keep to the commandments of Allah...I can provide you verses on that if you want.... And re you trying to say once you accept Christianity you cannot commit sins again and hence you're guaranteed paradise?

No,the life of Christ makes you meet God's standard.Religion makes you struggle to meet God's standard with your works.You say good works will take you to heaven.How much good works?

dastranger:
Another problem Muslims have with the Bible is that there was old testament before only for some pple to claim it wasn't perfect enough.... Then they made some changes and transited from old to new with a lot of things removed.... Now my questions re who made the transition, man or God..... If by man, re they themselves agreeing that the Bible is no more holy in its nature, Hence the changes ? Or if they claim the old testament to be words of God, why will men change the words of God?

These re logical questions that needs answers, and pls give me the excuse of you don't av the holy spirit in you... So you can't grasp it, it's know that when Christians wants to avoid question. They use that excuse

The most logical thing for a man who says something is corrupted is to provide the original with proof.
How come Muhammed couldn't provide this original?

dastranger:
Ok good you agreed Jesus never claimed to establish christianity and not from God as well, wch means in other words you're following what was established(christianity) by men like you.
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i don't understand what you meant by eternal life here

Even after trying to explain,you still don't get it.I said Christianity is a description of the people who followed Jesus.You see what the problem is with many muslims- lack of THE UNDERSTANDING.Even Jesus had to minister to His disciples for God to give them understanding of scriptures.
What you wrote shows you didn't get the understanding.The prophets who came before Jesus had the laws and statutes.Unfortunately,the problem is that man cannot keep those laws perfectly because of the weakness of his flesh.God provided something better than the laws.He sent Jesus that through Him anyone who believes can receive eternal life(the nature of God,divinity).That life in you makes it easy to obey God and live out his nature rather than struggling to keep laws that your flesh cannot allow you keep.In Islam,this struggle continues until you die and Islam tells you that you have no guarantee in heaven but you are subject to whether God allows you.See it's the vanity of religion.

dastranger:
This looks like it


But this doesn't look like

The second scripture was a prophecy by David.Jesus interestingly raised the issue later with the Jews,He said if you say I'm a descendant of David,why then does David in prophecy call me Lord?
See Mathew 22:42-43