talibilm: Noble quran says messengers of God were sent to all nations, languages of the world. Vedhas also talk about Abrahm, the Circumcised. Zend Avesta Also talks about . both are about 4000 and 2500 years old respectively.
Original of Gospel Or Quran , which are you talking about ?
Yes Muhammad(pbuh) is alive with his ever preserved undistorted Noble Quran and the sunnah , way of Life. if you want to see him you can see any of religious Muslim in theirr attire with a beard. But You can't see Jesus , even the Pope and Priests does not look like Jesus with a beard and Do not pray like Jesus , while Muslims do pray by placing their head on the floor.
Noble Quran is forever (no change even modern inventions can be accomodated) untill the last days of the world ie Forever, unlike bible thats has words of 40 authors and its a mixed Cocktail so thats why there are 41,000 denominations in Christianity and imprisoning of Galileo happened since its heresy. Islam do has about about 10 denominations but still EXCEPT ONE (Fanatic Shias- good shias are also there) every one has the same fundamental that Allah is one worthy to be worshiped and Muhammad is the slave and messenger oF Allah and they divided in petty issues.
Yes Prophet Muhammad took the Prophet hood of Jesus and continued of showing One true God and all the truths regarding his Teachings and even so called death which was a assumption when there were no disciples left with him during it.
12 “I still have many things to tell you, but you can’t bear them now. 13 However, when the Spirit of Truth comes,[/color] he will guide you into all the truth; for he will not speak on his own initiative but will say only what he hears. He will also announce to you the events of the future. 14 He will glorify me, because he will receive from what is mine and announce it to you.
MEANINGS OF THE ABOVE VERSE OF JOHN 16:12-14 by parts
Spirit of truth :[/color] Its a Figure of speech that he is truthful person like a man of wealth even if did have money in his pocket. The verses says Jesus says spirit of Truth LIKE ME means Jesus is a Truthful Person and all prophets are as this was title Al ameen , assaadique to Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).n he said that '' SPIRIT OF TRUTH LIKE ME '' (as in see below John 14) does not mean spirit because Jesus was in Flesh at that time when he said that John 14:16-18Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
16 and I will ask the Father, and he will give you another comforting Counselor like me, the Spirit of Truth, to be with you forever. 17 The world cannot receive him, because it neither sees nor knows him. You know him, because he is staying with you and will be united with you. 18 I will not leave you orphans — I am coming to you.
but whatever He hears : means what ever he hears as Revelation from Arch angel Gibraeel or Gabriel
He will disclose to you what is to come.: refers to hadith of All prophesies of victories, Trials, signs of the day of the judgement etc etc
"He will glorify Me : Clear all the blasphemy about Jesus's(pbh) moral, miraculous birth and the Chastity of Mary (pbh)
No one Glorified Jesus untill the 7 th century because Jews blasphemed him and His mother with the 7 letter FILTHY word and they did not Believe he is Messiah so ITS Was Noble Quran which declared he is a Pure Prophet and was Miraculous born and Mary is a chaste Woman and cleared the INSULT that he was killed in a disgraceful way and affirmed Jesus will come back. Before Quran came Jews & Chrstians were always fighting slandering each other that they copied the scriptures from the other but after Islam came they united together because the Noble Quran HONOURED both calling ' THE PEOPLE OF THE BOOK" and Proved nobody copied from nobody it came from the SAME SOURCE of one God .
He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you.… : Take and CONTINUE THE Prophet hood that was assigned to Jesus(pbuh) THE MESSAGE OF ONE GOD ALLAH to fullfill the forgotten commandments of saying Asalamalikum,(sholaimalaikum OR Shalom ? ) Prohibition of wine,swine, Interest ,usury,
Imaams are busy with their poor lives and Masjid and they never talk about Christianity. We come to know from ONLINE when you Blaspheme Islam and its prophet that made me to research for the truth. If you ask before an year who was Comforter might be i will think about a comfortable reclining seat or sofas , thats it
The Quran did not say so.it said
''"They have certainly disbelieved who say, " Allah is the Messiah, the son of Mary" while the Messiah has said, "O Children of Israel, worship Allah , my Lord and your Lord." Indeed, he who associates others with Allah - Allah has forbidden him Paradise, and his refuge is the Fire. And there are not for the wrongdoers any helpers."
You have only come to give me more bullsh**t.Muhammed is alive today and you can see him in people with beards?Where did you go to school?Was it just quranic school? Muhammed is DEAD with a grave,get it?Jesus spoke about a Spirit(Muhammed was not a spirit) and He said He(Person)will live for ever.It is not ambiguous.He was not speaking about any message living in people with beards.That is twisting words.
Anyway,Jesus said they in darkness will not come to the light.
I spoke about the original Torah.
Don't bother trying to explain more.It will come with further twist that is unfruitful. I commend you for trying.
talibilm: When Ezra wrote it again after the destruction caused by Nezzar judaism took a turn by taking saint Ezra as God after his death once again like they did before taking Calf as God. after this a new book , guidelines http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Old_Testament_pseudepigrapha was created by a group among them though not accepted by all.It went worst with the coming of Jesus all the way ditching of the Real messiah . So why worry about their Books when they dared to change GOD itself ? lol
After the Noble Quran EXPOSED their error they tried the best to get back to Monotheism with a change so that they NEED NOT accept the Favour of Islam (Arabs) on them. this thread will prove my claim
2)Why didn't any prophet speak(by revelation,vision etc) of the coming of Muhammed if he is claimed as a prophet and the last prophet?I'm sure you know the bible cannot be used as your proof in this case.
So both OT & NT have those foretelling of Prophet muhammad but were distorted as i said according to above thread about Yahweh. They did not leave a stone unturned by confusing , misleading Muslims ever by transferiing Song of songs (5:16) to Ketuvim in the 8 th century (Quran 7th century) with a background fake story about lovers (what is the need ,lovers in Torah, its not an Epic ?) because the word was clear as Muhammad(pbuh) see video 3 minutes onwards(atleast) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wm3sZfPwv1g but proofs are Chapetr isiah
Isaiah Chapter 11 Isaiah 29:12Complete Jewish Bible (CJB) 12 If the scroll is given to someone who can’t read with the request, “Please read this,” he says, “I can’t read.” Same as the incident Of Gibreel meeting Prophet 1st time in cave Hira and said to him to read and he replied "i cant read' but again they changed the background story.
In Gospel
John 14:16-18Complete Jewish Bible (CJB) 16 and I will ask the Father, and he will give you another comforting Counselor like me, the Spirit of Truth, to be with you forever. 17 The world cannot receive him, because it neither sees nor knows him. You know him, because he is staying with you and will be united with you. 18 I will not leave you orphans — I am coming to you. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+14%3A16-18&version=CJB
John Chapter 16 12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. 13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. 15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you. 16 A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little wh
3)The quran exclusively says doom will be the lot of Christians and Jews.How then will they accept a message that condemns them?
It does not condemn all but the Rejectors and it do praises Christians in some verses
Among Christians Good people are there as the Quran says
5:82''.......... and you will find the nearest of them in affection to the believers those who say, "We are Christians." That is because among them are priests and monks and because they are not arrogant.And when they hear what has been revealed to the Messenger, you see their eyes overflowing with tears because of what they have recognized of the truth. They say, "Our Lord, we have believed, so register us among the witnesses.
3:75 ''Among the People of the Book are some who, if entrusted with a hoard of gold, will (readily) pay it back; others, who, if entrusted with a single silver coin, will not repay it unless thou constantly stoodest demanding, because, they say, "there is no call on us (to keep faith) with these ignorant (Pagans)." but they tell a lie against Allah, and (well) they know it.''
Nice try.At least you tried to do some research.
However,you still spew the same bulls**t a lot of Islamic scholars spew. Who are these 'prophet' Verdas and Zoraster you speak about?Certainly not prophets of God but some people masquerading as one.Anyone can claim anything so 'men' can claim they saw some lost books and they are the ones to say the gospel in the bible is not the original just as the quran has done. The question still stand:where is that original?
Muhammed was not the only man who could not read.There were prophets in the old testament who certainly could not read and that part in Isaiah didn't not refer to Muhammed.There was nothing there to suggest it was him. John 14 and 16 has to be the biggest falsehood muslims try to use to get Muhammed into the books.DON'T YOU PEOPLE READ?Those words are in english. Jesus said the Comforter will abide with you forever.Is Muhammed still alive?He's dead,done dead so that could not be him.Jesus said he will take of me and show it to you.Did Muhammed take of Jesus?Jesus said he will bear witness of me?Did Muhammed come to bear witness of Jesus? Don't you people read or you just follow what the imam told you?
So the quran is saying some 'good' Christians are going to heaven even if they don't accept Islam or follow Muhammed?Interesting.
Op,this is a scriptural reference; Zech.5:9 'Then I lifted up mine eyes,and looked,and ,behold,there came out two women,and the wind was in their wings;for they had wings like the wings of a stork.......
Idrismusty97: They are both the same thing, two misogynistic books. Different sides of the same coin.
Well I thought you were a muslim. Well for education purposes,angels are neither male or female. They however can take on a human form and it is a power given to them by God. Yes a fallen angel can remain on earth and live amongst men but will lose the authority to return to heaven.
Idrismusty97: What do you expect when the bible was written by "men" . No mentioned of female angels, in Genesis some of the angels even came down to mate with the female humans. How can they be like angels were even some angels mate with humans back in Genesis?
And the first thing you do is jump on a thread to show so much ignorance.Now tell me the quran was written by reptiles and not 'men'.
Long write up. My questions are,where is the original copy of the Torah(gospel)since it is claimed that the bible does not have the true gospel?The quran cannot be the proof in this case. 2)Why didn't any prophet speak(by revelation,vision etc) of the coming of Muhammed if he is claimed as a prophet and the last prophet?I'm sure you know the bible cannot be used as your proof in this case. 3)The quran exclusively says doom will be the lot of Christians and Jews.How then will they accept a message that condemns them?
Freshboi: How can a family spend N70k on feeding in a month? Are they Nephilims? Food should be N30k max for a family of four. The N30k sef is even high. When you know the intricacies of Lagos markets,feeding will be cheap
It's a luxurious estimate.I expect them to spend less which means there is more money available.
fem29: 70k per month is a lot for food oh, if your combined salary is 140k, you cannot spend 70k on food haba. By the time you set up for the month by buying bags of rice beans etc I see no reason why a family of 3 would spend more than 40k on food.
I just put that as a luxurious estimate.I actually think they would spend much less.
Ucheosefoh: The phobia starts from childhood, did not enjoy the love of a father he left everything to my mom the psychological effects on her is visible even up till date I can't relate well with him, he hates people to tell him what to do, his opinion is final. I have a great uncle who's wife is torn on his flesh but nevertheless I believe in better tomorrow. Thanks for your contribution.
Sorry about your situation. The first step is who are you?How do you treat people?If you relate well with people generally,it wouldn't be hard to relate well with a woman.Moreover,think of how much your mum has been through and why you wouldn't want any woman to go through that with you.That should be a motivation. A lot of women nowadays have become self-centered but you still have some who are willing to partner and sacrifice in a relationship.Just take your time to be friends first and don't rush the relationship.
You have fears that are not abnormal but you shouldn't let it turn to a phobia.Marriage truly has it's challenges but it starts with you having the right mind and the right thoughts towards it.
You must have lived with a roomate before.You come from different backgrounds and you will learn to live with each other.It's just about having the right head and marrying someone whose head is also screwed on right.
timota: what is judging by flesh if u are married send your spouse to london to reside there for 12 years and after that u divorce and him/her and then claim grace. Though we are not saved by works but our faith in should produce good works which divorce is not part of it.
The point you raised is a different issue entirely.You are talking about Christian living. However,the point I countered him on was he saying that he is sure pastor Chris and his daughter are not saved. Salvation requirement is in Romans 10:9-10.If they have met this requirement,then how can he say he is sure they are not saved? Christian living and following the Word of God is a different issue entirely.
Samneer: That wasn't judging, that was what I saw and noticed. just my observation man
Alright,it was your observation but you were not right.You said you were sure they were not saved based on your 'observation' which contradicted Romans 10:9-10.
Just trying to correct you not to base your perception on feelings or observation but according to the Word of God.
Samneer: where in the holy scriptures do you see that divorce is christianly, masturbation, smoking (your body is the temple of Christ) and the likes. Do you want more proofs from their so called doctrines too proof how gullible and feeble minded these so called christians are?
And these are your proofs that they are not saved?Your understanding of scriptures is flawed. This is the PROOF of salvation:Romans 10 vs 9-10
I'm not saying the things you listed are right with Christianity.
petitmonde: Muslims do not worship Muhammed.they worship the almighty God,the creator of the heavens and the earths.the more you understand this,the better for you. Muslims do not worship somebody that was born of a woman. Millions call themselves christians but in actual fact,they are no more than pagans.abi what do you call those that bow,kneel,and pray before a graven image? Graven images of Jesus,graven images of Mary,and people bow,kneel and pray before them. Who told u those are the actaul pictures of Jesus and Mary. People have bought error in place of guidance,religion in place of faith. the pope performed salat with muslims in turkey recently,and i think that was not his first time.has that made him muslim? Seun,i think the religon section shoul be removed from NL. Why?because religious arguement will get us to nowhere.people blaspheme here which is a great sin.the section is an an i-war zone.very volatile.muslim this christian that,atheist those and all whatnot. Blind argument reduces I.Q
You start by saying Christians are pagans and bow to graven images and conclude by saying there is blasphemy and sin. Are you not being a hypocrite? I'm a Christian and I bow to no image.
Dansalau: As for me i prefer to learn from others rather than criticizing, Ayuba has taken a step according to his conscience, and remember there's no compulsion in religion most especially in Islam its stated in Surat kafirun.... 'Wa binkulikunm waliya deen" your religion should be yours while my mine shld be mine.... to the Muslims.. if you marry outside your religion this is the penalty to pay...... that's the lesson.....'
So why is there punishment for apostasy in Islam when anyone leaves the religion?Why did Muhammed approve marriage to non-muslim women by muslim men? You know what I don't like is all these lies.You guys are not truthful.
youmour: Why e be say pastor daughter must marry pastor too ,did she really wanted to be a pastor tho
nora544: that is family business selling the gospel so she need to be a pastor that she can take over the business from her father!
So pastor's daughter should seek for an imam to marry or some layman on the street.Doesn't it even make sense to you or you guys just type cos of the bitterness in your hearts?
BCJAY: my husband put his elder brother despite having a son in the university who is almost 19years. Some men can be funny and if the woman decides to do the same thing fighting will start God will help women o amen.
Your husband must be from a certain part of the country.It's the siblings first in such case.Sorry.
Christianity Etc › Re: Defending The Misquoted Noble Quran Verses & Eemaan by thorpido(m): 12:33pm On Dec 08, 2014*. Modified: 1:07pm On Dec 08, 2014
. No mentioned of female angels, in Genesis some of the angels even came down to mate with the female humans. How can they be like angels were even some angels mate with humans back in Genesis? 
