₦airaland Forum

@naijababe
It is quite late where i am but i promise to continue on Ken Saro Wiwa later. Please put all prior convictions aside and make you enquiries with an Open Mind, read on the mentioned persons (shah of iran, hosni mubarak etc) as it would help your understanding on such issues as the one we are currently treating.

naijababe: You have got to be kidding me anyway I'll humour you - Abiola, jailed for fighting for his mandate. Ken Saro-Wiwa - executed for fighting against the abuse of his homeland, you want more?

I honestly cannot believe that anyone would have Abacha and hero in the same sentence

Though i honestly don't understand what you meant by "I'll humour you " i am nevertheless pleased. I will try and provide a short version of it and if after your research and enquiries you still find them lacking i will provide a longer more detailed version.

Abiola- During the regime of IBB Nigeria can be said to be a client state in other words a country which is controlled by the interest of foreign nations rather than the interests of its constituent citizens. The IMF and World bank through IBB and his cronies effectively destroyed the economy of Nigeria, with mass borrowings(even when not needed) ,austerity measures that was carefully crafted to further underdevelop Nigeria, numerous scams like the famous ITT and others. All these schemes were possible because for any client state to function a puppet regime has to be put in place to support the interest of the imperialists and crush any dissent(which must rise as a result) and those elite puppets in turn gets rewarded with wealth for destroying their own nation(you have examples like Shah of Iran, Biya of cameroun and most recently Hosni Mubarak of Egypt). IBB, Obasanjo,Abiola and many others were such assets(imperialist puppets) used to keep third world nations from developing(Nigeria in this case). IBB used to replace the revolutionary Buhari, Obasanjo acquired earlier before as a suitable replacement for another revolutionary leader and Abiola acquired sometime in between. So during the IBB regime these elites were enriched while servicing foreign interests at the detriment of their own nation but just like the regime before theirs a revolutionary leader who would not cower at the western imperialist interest nor borrow destructive loans from the IMF/World Bank and ready to push the nation forward as best as he could came into power, the foreign multinationals and congromelates who no longer enjoy the free hand and reckless exploitation of the nation as under IBB called on their nations to get rid of Abacha. American interest were badly hurt and as a result the CIA went into action and a vicious dis-information and character assasination campaign was launched against the regime and all manners of subversive tactics was employed the aim was a regime change to someone who is more sympathetic to western interests.
As such Abiola already a CIA asset, owns a public media company(a very dangerous tool for subversion) and one of the elites whom a revolutionary regime would not favour was called up and attacked the regime viciously with his other partners with fallacious claims and publications all engineered to get the masses to revolt against Abacha. Numerous subversive groups were funded by the CIA through Abiola .
What Abiola did was am act of treason and of utmost importance to any national policy is maintaining the stability of the state while the goal of any subversive group is to make the state unstable(syria and boko haram). You should try to understand with the interest of the nation at heart(if you are truly patriotic) that certain responses to certain actions though gruesome is extremely necessary at certain conditions.
Now let's not resort to judging the remedies applied by the regime as that would be premature instead you should try and verify the above events then we can now make those judgments more informed and clear.

Sagamite: You are a person!

Answer my questions! That is your true hero?

So it is propaganda he stole money?

It is propaganda he killed an environmentalist?

It is propaganda he accused eminent Nigerians of throwing bombs?

No wonder Africa is backwards, when we have tons of fucktards like you and Genbuhari that we have not relegated their opinions into the dustbin.

FOOOOOL!

Here you have a great opportunity to learn a few facts about events which matters most to us but since you lack the capability to engage in a rational argument i will leave you to yourself.

GenBuhari: @toth
Don't mind these ignorance comments from last 2 posters, (can you believe Sagamite thinks Obasanjo is greatest Nigerian leader?)
Look see gullible people who have swallowed the propanganda to demonise Abacha who was one of Africa's great leaders, ignoring evidence and throwing insults because they cannot support their points with evidence,

i understand these sort of people quite well, you can see he wasted two posts and still can't provide a name as he was asked. If we look at his two posts we can see that the compositions are almost the same except a slightly stupidier variation of the same curse words (an effect of constant bombardment of media propaganda which leaves the person with nothing but just same phrases that was repetitiously bombarded into his mind hence the only knowledge he has of the subject which he has subconsciously accepted albeit unwillingly.)

O.D.B.:
whatever GEJ or any other President does after Abacha, does not make Abacha a saint.
Hating on Abacha does not make me a supporter of anyone.
You love resurrecting Abacha because of your limited religious and ethnic outlook.

I rather you make comparisons,speculations and judgement based on evidence and verifiable data and not reduce this whole debate to ethnic and religious squables.

Sagamite: You are a person!

You are intensely a fcking mooron!

So the True Hero of Africa is the person that wanted to convert from Military Dictator to a one-party dictator?

The True Hero of Africa is the person that killed Environmental campaigners?

The True Hero of Africa is the person that was accusing eminent Nigerians of going out on the streets throwing bombs?

The True Hero of Africa is the person that looted over £3bn from the nation?

You are a person! You should end your miserable life.

Cretin!

And you still don't have a NAME but just a mesmeric stream of filth and ignorance.
Give me a name not a reiteration of media propaganda garbage.

dirifred: where u a member of "YEAA" if u where u will no that the kind of money spent there couldn't have been hard earned money. put your prove forward lets see wat it contains

With a president(Goodluck Jonathan) that used more that 50 Billion just for inauguration i consider your comments hypocritical.
With a president(GEJ) that has borrowed just in his tenure more that all former presidents has borrowed combined together --another hypocrisy.

If you could say the same of Abacha then their might be a chance you are just wrong(and not stupendously ignorant).

dirifred: Are you high on hard-drugs? what business does the Abacha family have on ground in Nigeria or else where to gather such sum? can you recall this statement and read between the lines "no matter how much the Nigerian govt recovers from us, we can never be as poor as Dangote"? just let sleepy dog lye.

The problem with people like you is that once you had your convictions(whether right or wrong) you will cease to make further enquirers. Your post showed that you did not even read what the OP posted and rushed into commenting.
The OP clearly stated that that is not Abacha's money and you are still asking "what business does the Abacha family have on ground in Nigeria or else where to gather such sum?" gather which sums i ask ? the ones that never belongs to him or the ones you kept for him ? If they had claimed ownership to the said money then you would have the right to ask them where and how they made such amount then from their answers and evidence you can make your judgement.

I wonder how some people got their impression that with Abacha there was no freedom and posting on the internet would land somebody in jail, I believe it this is the result of brainwashing by reactionary elements and western imperialist media, during and after Abacha 's regime. People would swallow any garbage that comes out of the western media without seeking other sources of information.
i would like to have somebody present a name of an INDIVIDUAL that was jailed or killed by Abacha because he was HONESTLY fighting for freedom. Any person that understands the process of forming and maintaining national policy and also has read of established methods of subversion and distracting the national policies(established or still in process) would clearly see what those puppets are for.
Give me a name and i will give you a good reason why the said individual found himself in that situation.

Abacha remains one of the True Heroes to be remembered throughout Africa.

Nigeria lacks a good intelligence outfit.

Welcome to globalisation. A world bank run goverment like nigeria would not stop until they totally crush the middle class.

That is what happens when you keep doing the same thing and expecting a different result. If Biafrans don't learn now they would loose out again.

I believe someday when the truth has finally been told nigerians would see you for the true hero you are. Just like other great african leaders and other african liberation fighter you remain a Martyr in our hearts.
May your soul rest in peace.

Starlett: Based on the BBC reports, they're from Niger, meaning they were Nigeriens, NOT Nigerians. Only difference is in the letter e vs a.

However, we mourn them regardless of from where they hailed. They could have as easily been Nigerians, of course. They died in the course of peace, may God comfort and strengthen their families.

They died in the midst of their atrocities. They died while preventing the masses,the poor, the intellectuals and the worker from rising against a widely unpopular goverment. They died as a result of intimidating and silencing a village from revolting against french exploits of their lands leaving the locals with no means of sustaining themselves and denying them the means to voice out their misery. They are humans and they are expected to fight back if that is the only way they would be heard. Maybe by next coming weeks they would be called terrorist and fantasmagoria of stories and allegations heaped on them and as usual they would be given a name and who knows an unverifiable link to al-quaida but the truth remains that they are humans who has been denied a voice and has taken so much and has broken.

Buc: . When i first read that Nigerian soldiers died i was suprised and couldn't blive, because, Nigerians can't lay their lives 4 Nigeria not 2 talk of others. If it happened, most likely an accident and not display of bravery. Let them look at d looting, bribery and corruption activities of d bluehelment thats where nigerians are. And if there is\was a dispatch of south African soldiers in d area, then, preparations should b made 4 Teenage pregnancy epidemic.

Check out Sudan, hundreds of nigerian soldiers loose their life every month fighting for the interest of western oil companies. Killing,torturing and intimidating their sudanese brothers and taking away what belongs to them. While all those media that reports these lies to you keeps silent and you never hear about it.

No matter where they are from the real question would be what are their real mission there ? The UN keep using african soldiers to intimidate and destabilize any group,country,region that rejects their imperialistic,destructive and anti-peoples policies. All hope atrocities are washed under the umbrella of PEACE KEEPING. Again what have they been doing there ? Who is making trouble there or have they been doing something else ? Does those villages truly want then to protect them from some people of do they want to be protected from the said peace keepers ? People should ask questions and not just swallow any garbage being spewed by the media. In this particular issue if you know the real truth you would not be proud to admit that your countrymen are there and part and parcel of this grave and atrocious injustice to mankind. Shame on any African country that has its soldiers under the UN intimidation and anti-african independence campaign.

JEG is the worst and the most destructive. Put into account the number of deaths from the poverty that he and Iweala imposed on Nigerians and you will see that before the end of his four year tenure it would surpass the civil war death rate. How many people can afford medical treatment these days, how many people die due to preventable diseases and accidents from lack of amenities.
The nation has fallen into total lawlessness and acceptance of corruption is wiping out the established morals and culture of the nation. Extremely bad role models leading to a new generation of self destructive youths. With JEG nigeria end as a nation begins.

nasty45: so u teln me dt charles taylor's case is lng ouerdue compare to d western presidnt,sb pls shoot me

you make a good example of an uninformed and brainwashed black african who swallows without flinching imperialist media propaganda. And who are the terrorist and what terrorist act have they commited ?

vanstanzy: @thoth

Are u schooled at all. This man killed, ravaged, maimed, wiped-out communities of human beings and not mosquitoes and u want black africa to protest his sentence. If i had known u better, i would have said u are wicked and backward, whichever comes first . But NO, i'll leave u to ur opinion.

i think it was you people that needs to learn about foreign diplomacy and how the power is perceived,managed and displaces globally. if any of you gloating idiots has ever had any experience or lesson at all in global power management you won't come here and spew this kind of garbage.
how many American presidents have been tried in the ICC, how many British prime ministers have been tried ? how many french leaders have been tried but we all know what they commit yearly which is not even half of what Charles Taylor did.

Korrection: I weep for Africa..but hold on..how many westerners are being sentenced this way...what is war crime..?? if it is to go by that then most American Presidents should go down that lane...Africa...we are really scape goats....

i was about to say that when i saw your post. The stupidity of africans is heart shattering. This is a clearly a mass psychological operation carried out on africans. Since we allow this to happen and the people of black africa does not protest NO AFRICAN PRESIDENT WOULD HAVE THE MIND TO SAY NO TO THE PREDATORY WEST. Whatever they want they take because the president knows it is better to be loyal to the west than to its people. They just made an example of him for other to see what will happen to them when they fall out of favour with the imperialist west. Keep cheering on and next you will criticize your leaders for failing you.

The senates pass bills to borrow billions of dollars in a single day without consulting the masses. State goverments borrow billions from world bank yearly without the people in the state knowing. Each of these debts come with a set of evil destructive austerity measures and the senates will surely pass it so far they are given their cuts. Driving the nation deeper into misery. The removal of fuel subsidy,devaluation of naira,privatisation of state properties, hiking of university fees(IMF directive) and fund diversion into projects that contribute little to human development are all agreed measures given by the institutions that lend money to nigeria (IMF/World bank) i won't be suprised if this is true and one of those measures as well. Yet these crooks can do so much to the extent of mortgaging the lives of the next generation without the man in the street knowing.

"Those who said that he was a
dictator do not know what they
are saying. All this were the
sayings of those people who
felt that under Abacha’s regime
they could not do what they
wanted. Look at what is
happening to banks today.
Abacha saw it and if you
remember the Failed Bank
Tribunal, many bank chief
executive officers and
managing directors ran away
from this country. People don’t
know and this was over 10
years ago. And over these years
Abacha still remains the topic of
discussions.
And, if Abacha had remained in
the system, we wouldn’t be
buying a dollar for N158. If
Abacha were still alive, we
wouldn’t have been borrowing
from the International
Monetary Fund (IMF). But IMF
would have been borrowing
from us by now. During Abacha
regime, we never borrowed
even a penny from anybody. In
fact, all the international
financial institutions closed
down their offices in Nigeria
because they had nothing
doing. The West does not want
us to progress because we
were on the verge of growing
to the extent that we would be
helping other countries.
So, this so- called dictatorship is
nothing but propaganda
against him and his regime.
They were using the Abacha
government to hide their own
misdeeds under the carpet.
Look at what is happening in
our democracy now were
people’s votes don’t count. If
they said, the first time in 1999,
was due to the fact that it was
organised by the military, then
what about the happenings in
2003 and 2007 that turned out
to be the worst. I think, there is
no other forms of dictatorship
worst than this kind of
dictatorship where people are
denied their rights to vote their
leaders.
During the Abacha regime, no
governor or minister was
actually cut with up to
N1billion, but today they are
spraying billions of Naira,
buying houses everywhere and
cars. Abacha ordered that we
should be using Peugeot and
even himself was using the
same Peugeot. But today we
are seeing just local
government chairmen driving
expensive cars running into
tens of millions of naira. When
Abacha was alive, we
deliberated and argued
seriously on every matter that
needed a decision in the council
before arriving at the final
decision. So, I know very well
and without any bias that the
late Abacha is better than all
those that are branding him as
a dictator." - Useni.

I read this part over and over and i always wonder how this is not evident to nigerians. It is really sad.

Looking at this objectively and analysing peoples responses, it is clear that all the private universities mentioned are christian universities and all have its own ridiculous policies, regulations which impedes on liberal education, rules which stunts the acquisition and development of social and relationship skills and thereby graduates who lacks the tools to engage the real world at best and dangerous to any society and organisation at most. More interesting is the fact that no one has ever accused them of religious extremism for those students who objects on the policies of those institution OR of breeding religious fanatics for the students who unknowingly or knowingly absorbs those ideaologies being instituted by the said institutions. We can all at least agree that those points stated above would be at the forefront had those universities been affiliated with Islam yet in all characteristics they show glaring similarities with the almajiri schools. Thus we can deduce that indoctrinated minds (as most christians are) is irrationally bias,arrogant,hypocritic ,selfish and self serving and can only object on policies which does not align with its exploitative stance.

that is what happens when somebody holds your voice for you.

ekt_bear: I'd rather follow successful models rather than anti-European models.

The objective is winning the game, not necessarily doing it with an entirely unique, indigenous strategy.

Let's be more pragmatic...take whatever works and use it.

What exactly do you mean by anti - european model ?
What is exactly european model ?
Which one exactly are we following now in Nigeria ?
How has that been helping the country so far ?

Nigerians are really strange , the IMF/World Bank gave this directive a long time ago , your president agreed on it even before if was made president. I wrote about it last year but many people were saying it is not possible and yelling farce. I hope they are here to witness it , people should relax because more hardship is coming your way. When you people have actually suffered really well maybe you should change the habit of calling informed individuals conspiratory theorists. More hardship more suffering means more premature deaths , it keeps working for the enemies of the black man in gis own lines. The only edge nigeria has on security is our population and we would be loosing that edge soon.

This might just be the first step to the devaluation, after then the exchange rate will jump to 350 naira per $1 then 500 naira per $1.

AFRICAN UNION: Instrument of Imperialist Rule

by Thomas C. Mountain
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=30783


The African Union has mutated into a particularly corrupt and brutal enforcer of western rule in Africa. When it comes to the interests of Pax Americana, you must start with the crimes committed in the AU’s “War on Terror” in Somalia, a.k.a., the War on the Somali people.

In 2006, the Somalis themselves under the umbrella of the Union of Islamic Courts brought about a miracle in many observers’ eyes and established a functioning government in the former capital of Mogadishu, bringing peace and security to the region for the first time in 15 years.

The diktats of Pax Americana’s International War on Terror require that any truly popular government, especially with the word Islamic in its name, must not be, and the USA soon dispatched its Ethiopian gendarmes to put fire and sword to peace in Somalia.

This was all done with the official blessing and support of the AU and its big brothers in the UN. Unfortunately for them, the brutal nature of the Ethiopian invasion and occupation began a massive upswell of Somali nationalism and the gendarmes from Addis Ababa were forced to flee the land of their historic enemies, for no Ethiopian leader in their right mind had ever picked a fight with the Somalis.

Up stepped the AU in the form of what is today over 20,000 heavily armed soldiers, mainly some 15,000 from Uganda. These mercenaries invaded Somalia in 2008 and quickly turned Mogadishu into a high explosive inferno, destroying much of the city, 30 square miles or so and creating half a million refugees on top of the half a million Ethiopia had already caused.

The AU troops prefer heavy artillery, tanks, heavy armored vehicles and helicopter gunships when dealing with the Somali resistance. The AU has had no qualms about shelling Somali neighborhoods and markets and the monthly lists of dead and wounded residents of Mogadishu swelled into the thousands before the Al Shabab resistance finally withdrew from the city.

And all the while no one seems to ask why? What gives the Ugandan army the right to be fighting a war against Somalis? How does the AU get away with massacring tens of thousands of the Somali people? Or creating a million refugees who are left to slow starvation in the long overflowing refugee camps?

To understand how this has come to be, how a lofty sounding Organization for African Unity became the African Union and started killing tens of thousands of Africans, one must go back to the miscarriage that brought this organization into existence.

In the early 1960’s, and the birth of what quickly became Neocolonialism in Africa, the Organization for African Unity (OAU) was born. Despite all the idealist rhetoric of building a truly Pan-African union, the very birth of the organization took place amidst a contradiction so overwhelming that all good intent was stillborn.

Instead of supporting African Liberation, the OAU located its headquarters in Ethiopia which was already involved in a counterinsurgency against the Eritrean Liberation Front, the independence movement that became the forefather of today’s Government of Eritrea.

After World War II, Ethiopia had colonized Eritrea, with the blessing of the USA, instead of Eritrea getting its independence like the rest of Africa.

A supposedly anti-colonial organization, the OAU, with its headquarters in Ethiopia, a country colonizing another African country?

This was a complete abandonment of any principle and doomed all further prospects for the OAU to help the African people.

As such, matters have been pretty much all downhill ever since. The OAU morphed into the AU as neocolonialism completed its complete sweep of the newly “independent” African nations. Except one, that is: Eritrea, and it wasn’t liberated until 1991.

For the first three decades of its existence the OAU/AU stood by and let the Eritrean people fight their own battles, come USA or Soviet Union interference. And for the first three decades of its existence, the OAU/AU gave open support for the Ethiopian colonial regime occupying Eritrea.

Again, things have only gotten worse since 1991 and Eritrean independence.

Now one must not forget that only one country in Africa is led by a government that came to power by the military defeat and expulsion of their colonizers. Many African independence movements picked up the gun and fought their colonizers at some point, some for many years. But only one actually defeated their colonizers on the field of battle and took power not by negotiation and elections but via the barrel of a gun.

And that country is Eritrea, which today stands as the only African voice in opposition to the crimes of the AU in Africa.

Today, the AU is in the midst of its latest “surge” in Somalia and just as the USA did in Iraq and Afghanistan, it is increasing its occupation army in size and just as in Iraq and Afghanistan, insisting it is “winning the war on terror” in Somalia.

And just as Pax Americana has had to do in Iraq and Afghanistan, the AU and its African mercenaries will inevitably one day have to admit defeat and leave Somalia for history has shown no one can defeat an entire people. Though not before causing untold suffering to the Somali people and exposing the AU as the tool of western rule in Africa.

Gowon later found out that he has been tricked and used by the Brits to gain a foothold in Nigeria and he now regrets all that he has done back in the sixties and the seventies.

Nigeria was better off than most of the these nations after independence, even better than US and Britain, our economy was booming and we still have many avenues to grow, our currency was far more stronger and stable than theirs(Britain,US,France,Germany etc) and we had mineral resources to back it up.
The pioneers of those days just being freed from colonization has a subtle hidden hatred for the west and was trying by all means to prevent any kind of domination and imperialistic exploits from them.
The west cannot allow such thing, it threatens their existence, it threatens all they have established as black people being backward and their reasons for interfering in African affairs, imagine a free African nation, where it government uses its resources for its people, Nigerian has surplus skilled and unskilled labor,stable economy, and was speedily INDUSTRIALIZING,with the needed natural resources to back it up. They can't allow such a nation to exist, we would take over their exports to African and in fact dominate their interest. their answer to that was the coup, the patriots staged a counter coup, and they manipulated it from the tribal lines which eventually led to war.

At this stage of imperialism in Nigeria and the rate of corruption in Nigeria i think this is the opportunity patriots are waiting for , this is exactly the time to make things change, that is why i have more hope in Nigeria now than ever, if only the people would see the opportunity before their eyes and grab it, if only the people will understand that if it gets better it gets better for all, if only the people would understand that those corrupt leaders for their selfish exploits are the ones that divide us and through that division use us to further their exploits. if only the people would understand what we stand to gain being united, if only the people would for once throw away that destructive loyalty to apparently evil men who does not benefit us as a mass. i say again IF ONLY we BELIEVE we can be FREE.

GenBuhari: @thoth,
I was ignorant about Abacha's innocence until recently. I too had swallowed the lies that the corrupt Nigerian media and the white western nation had fed us, until I started looking and research Abacha's performance and the allegations of looting that he was malicously accused of by Obasanjo and other corrupt people.

I am very interested to know however, how you yourself had come to the conclusion that Abacha was innocent of looting.

My job makes it that i have acess to these sort of information. I have well documented reports of the role my country played in discrediting Abacha and also the roles two other European nations Switzerland and Leichtenstein(suprised ?) played as well. It is no secret in the intel community what promises was made to Abdusalami Abubakar to hand over to civilians.
It is also well documented how the CIA was visiting and arranging schemes with Obasanjo while he was at Andy Uba's residence in the USA during Abachas regime. At that everyone already knows that Obasanjo would be the next puppet president of Nigeria that MTN, exxon,Haliburton,IMF and others were meeting him and signing agreements with him even before he was made president. And the international intel comunity also knew that the character of Abacha would not exit without a fight so we knew whatever plan that was hatched for him must result in his death. I would rather ask you these very simple questions:
If Abacha has any substantial savings in a foreign bank why didn't the usa after leveling hundreds of sanctions on Nigeria and another thousand ban on Abacha did not freeze the money and all his assets as was done to other presidents ?
Howcome Abacha with all the sanctions against Nigeria and at $9 pb of crude and 1.6 million barrels per day crude production and without borrowing a cent from any bank was able to keep the dollar at 21 naira per dollar, accomplish vast social works and national projects and generally outperform Obasanjo and others whom were enjoying no sanctions, $75 per barrel, 2.5 million barrels daily crude output, borrowed billions of dollars from foreign banks ?
Howcome Nigeria was respected as a powerful figure in Africa and has the means to either persuade or coerce other african nations to Nigerias interest and suddenly lost that image after the death of Abacha ? Was it that keeping them in line was against european exploits ?
How quickly and easy was it for Cameroun to get the Bakassi penisula just after Abacha died ?
I am sorry all i can give you are questions not documents or audios, Nigerians are so simple minded that you have to force them to think for themselves.
Abacha may have done some favors but he has nothing in those banks.

@Gen Buhari, Majority of Nigerians are extremely ignorant and add tribalism to that and you will have a scary picture of a hopelessly enslaved nation with little chance of liberating itself. Whenever the issue of Abacha is raised and i tell them the guy is innocent of those charges and ask them simple questions; you niether get an answer nor plausible logical statement, What they do instead is a constant repetoir of the garbage that was fed to them by the media just like a religious fanatic would of his faith.