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Elisha

Elisha was a prophet who is believed to have lived during the 9th century B.C. When Elijah, who was Elisha’s teacher, was called up to heaven, God commanded him to appoint Elisha as the new head prophet. He performed a good many miracles, such as conjuring water for the city of Jericho and bringing a woman’s son back to life, but there’s one “miracle” that really stands out. Sandwiched between various blessings and acts of kindness are two verses at the end of 2 Kings Chapter 2—verses 23-24—that seem so completely out of place you almost wonder if they were added as a joke. They weren’t.

Here’s what happened: Elisha was walking into the city of Bethel when a group of kids ran out and started making fun of his bald head. It’s the only mention in the Bible that Elisha was bald, which is probably good—because the next thing Elisha did was curse the children to death. Immediately, two bears ran over and tore the kids to pieces. The most important—most Godly—prophet in the land brutally murdered forty-two children because they laughed at him. He is now a venerated saint.



JAEL

There’s a good chance you’ve never heard of Jael—her only role in the Bible was to secure a man’s trust before she killed him. Chapter 4 of Judges describes a battle between two generals: Barak, the general of the Israelite army, and Sisera, leader of the Canaanite army. The two armies met on a river bank and Holy war was waged, ten thousand men fighting ten thousand men. As the tide of battle turned in favor of Barak, Sisera decided to cut his losses and fled into the desert alone. Back at the battle field, the Israelites slaughtered every single Canaanite soldier (“and all the host of Sisera fell upon the edge of the sword; and there was not a man left”).

So Sisera was alone in the desert, and he came across a tent belonging to an ally of his, a man named Heber the Kenite. The man’s wife, Jael, ran out to greet Sisera and welcomed him into the tent, telling him he had nothing to be afraid of. She then hid him under a blanket (Barak was still chasing him), waited until he went to sleep, and then snuck up and hammered a tent spike directly through his forehead, nailing his head to the ground. And verily, through lies, deceit, and backstabbing, the hand of the children of Israel prospered.




King David


, arguably, the most righteous man in the Bible (even though he single-handedly killed and circumcised 200 men for a wife). When David’s son Solomon sidestepped the path of holiness, God decided to lessen his punishment because he had loved David so much. But as several of these examples are going to show, brutality and mass genocide go hand-in-hand with righteousness, and it’s usually the righteous man that leads the slaughter.

In 1 Samuel 27:8-11, David takes an army and invades several neighboring lands. The Bible doesn’t give any reason for him to do this, other than a side note that the people he killed were “of old the inhabitants of the land,” so it seems he was just wiping out the indigenous people. David’s army killed all the men and women in the towns he defeated, then carried all the livestock back to their own land, leaving the towns in ruin.



SAMSON

Samson was a man to whom God granted superhuman strength to help him destroy the evil Philistines (the Galactic Empire of the Bible). However, he would only have his strength as long as he didn’t cut his hair. Even from the perspective of “a righteous hero that destroys the evil tyrant,” Samson really just brings everything on himself, and then can only get himself out of trouble by killing more and more people, like a little white lie that won’t go away. From any other perspective, he’s a murderous psychopath.

In Judges 14:12-19, Samson makes a wager with thirty men that none of them will be able to guess his riddle; if they do, he’ll give them thirty silk shirts. Lo and behold, they trick his wife into telling them the answer, so Samson, not one to shirk on a debt, takes the honorable route: he runs out and kills thirty men, steals their clothes, and pays the men. This delightful children’s video lightens the mood with an upbeat song. But remember, he murdered thirty men; that’s only five short of Ted Bundy status, and it doesn’t even count the 1,000 he killed later with a donkey bone.


ELIJAH


he was the prophet who appointed Elisha to take his place before God sent a flaming chariot to lift Elijah into heaven. Needless to say, he was fairly holy. During the time that he was a prophet in Israel, there came a period when many of the people began to worship Baal, a heathen god. Elijah was perturbed at this turn of events, and decided to prove himself to the Israelites.

In 1 Kings 18:19-40, he called together 450 of the prophets of Baal and gave them a challenge: Kill a bull and put it on an altar, then pray to Baal to light the altar for you. They prayed for hours but nothing happened, so Elijah took a turn. He killed a bull and set up an altar, then prayed to God to light it. Boom, instant fire. The Baal prophets immediately converted to believers, but Elijah wasn’t satisfied. So he took them all down to a river and systematically executed every single one of them.

Elijah actually spent a lot of time proving how holy he was—in 2 Kings 1:9-14, fifty men were ordered to come bring Elijah to the king. Elijah said, “If I be a man of God, let fire come down from heaven and consume thee and thy fifty.” So he killed them all, then did the same with the next hundred men who came for him.


jepthah


Jephthah was the son of Gilead, a wealthy man, but his mother was a harlot (LovePeddler), which meant that he was doomed to be ostracized. True to form, Jephthah was kicked out of his home with no inheritance as a young man (“thou art the son of a strange woman”). After several years had passed, the Israelites went to war (or kept being at war—they were at war a lot). They sought out Jephthah and asked him to return to Gilead, and from there lead their armies into battle against the Ammonites. At this point the king of Ammon asked Israel to just let them live peacefully, and the Israelites’ reply pretty much summed up the reasoning behind every holy war up through the Crusades: “Whomsoever the Lord our God shall drive out from before us, them will we possess.”

So Jephthah led the charge, but before the battle he made a bargain with God: Let us win, and I’ll sacrifice the first thing that greets me at my home when I return. God kept his side of the deal, and when Jephthah returned home his daughter ran out to meet him. And Jephthah kept his side of the bargain too—he performed a ritual sacrifice of his daughter, his only child, to pay back God.



Even the story of David and Goliath that’s usually told to kids ends before it gets too violent—after David kills Goliath with a stone, he chops off the man’s head and carries it around with him.



JEHU

ehu became the king of Israel after a violent coup overthrew the previous king, King Jehoram. In the aftermath of the battle, Jehu hunted down and killed all of Jehoram’s royal family and had their heads—seventy of them—piled outside the city gates. Then he ran over Jehoram’s mother in his chariot. But wait, wait until we get to the brutal part.

As the new king, anointed by the prophet Elisha, Jehu had some house cleaning to do. According to 2 Kings 10:18, Jehu put out a fake rumor that he was a Baal worshiper, and asked for all the Baal worshipers in the kingdom to come to a massive sacrifice in his honor. When the people came from throughout the kingdom they were ushered into the house of Baal; it doesn’t say how many there were, but the house of Baal was “full from one end to another.” With every single member of the religion safely clustered in the church, Jehu ordered his army to storm in and massacre them all. That’s one of the literal definitions of genocide. God rewarded Jehu by granting his next four generations a guaranteed seat on the throne of Israel.



each Outrageous Morals

Andrew Handley April 25, 2013

There’s a reason the Bible is the best selling book in the world, and it’s not necessarily what you might think. A light in the lives of many, a moral compass to others, and a sweeping storybook no matter what you believe, the Bible has transcended generations. It may have more gratuitous sex and violence than an entire season of Game of Thrones, but that’s okay—it also teaches a code of ethics that anybody can find something to agree with. Unfortunately, many of the Biblical figures who are held up as righteous, honorable, and virtuous are responsible for some of the most heinous acts of immorality ever put down on paper. Here are 10 of them. For the sake of consistency all quotes are taken from the King James Bible.

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Elisha

Elijah Summons Elisha

Elisha was a prophet who is believed to have lived during the 9th century B.C. When Elijah, who was Elisha’s teacher, was called up to heaven, God commanded him to appoint Elisha as the new head prophet. He performed a good many miracles, such as conjuring water for the city of Jericho and bringing a woman’s son back to life, but there’s one “miracle” that really stands out. Sandwiched between various blessings and acts of kindness are two verses at the end of 2 Kings Chapter 2—verses 23-24—that seem so completely out of place you almost wonder if they were added as a joke. They weren’t.

Here’s what happened: Elisha was walking into the city of Bethel when a group of kids ran out and started making fun of his bald head. It’s the only mention in the Bible that Elisha was bald, which is probably good—because the next thing Elisha did was curse the children to death. Immediately, two bears ran over and tore the kids to pieces. The most important—most Godly—prophet in the land brutally murdered forty-two children because they laughed at him. He is now a venerated saint.

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Jael

Jael- Jael And Sisera Artemisia Gentileschi

There’s a good chance you’ve never heard of Jael—her only role in the Bible was to secure a man’s trust before she killed him. Chapter 4 of Judges describes a battle between two generals: Barak, the general of the Israelite army, and Sisera, leader of the Canaanite army. The two armies met on a river bank and Holy war was waged, ten thousand men fighting ten thousand men. As the tide of battle turned in favor of Barak, Sisera decided to cut his losses and fled into the desert alone. Back at the battle field, the Israelites slaughtered every single Canaanite soldier (“and all the host of Sisera fell upon the edge of the sword; and there was not a man left”).

So Sisera was alone in the desert, and he came across a tent belonging to an ally of his, a man named Heber the Kenite. The man’s wife, Jael, ran out to greet Sisera and welcomed him into the tent, telling him he had nothing to be afraid of. She then hid him under a blanket (Barak was still chasing him), waited until he went to sleep, and then snuck up and hammered a tent spike directly through his forehead, nailing his head to the ground. And verily, through lies, deceit, and backstabbing, the hand of the children of Israel prospered.

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David

02-Baroque Caravaggio David-Holding-Goliaths-Head

King David is, arguably, the most righteous man in the Bible (even though he single-handedly killed and circumcised 200 men for a wife). When David’s son Solomon sidestepped the path of holiness, God decided to lessen his punishment because he had loved David so much. But as several of these examples are going to show, brutality and mass genocide go hand-in-hand with righteousness, and it’s usually the righteous man that leads the slaughter.

In 1 Samuel 27:8-11, David takes an army and invades several neighboring lands. The Bible doesn’t give any reason for him to do this, other than a side note that the people he killed were “of old the inhabitants of the land,” so it seems he was just wiping out the indigenous people. David’s army killed all the men and women in the towns he defeated, then carried all the livestock back to their own land, leaving the towns in ruin.

Even the story of David and Goliath that’s usually told to kids ends before it gets too violent—after David kills Goliath with a stone, he chops off the man’s head and carries it around with him.

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Samson

Samson-And-Delilah-1620

Samson was a man to whom God granted superhuman strength to help him destroy the evil Philistines (the Galactic Empire of the Bible). However, he would only have his strength as long as he didn’t cut his hair. Even from the perspective of “a righteous hero that destroys the evil tyrant,” Samson really just brings everything on himself, and then can only get himself out of trouble by killing more and more people, like a little white lie that won’t go away. From any other perspective, he’s a murderous psychopath.

In Judges 14:12-19, Samson makes a wager with thirty men that none of them will be able to guess his riddle; if they do, he’ll give them thirty silk shirts. Lo and behold, they trick his wife into telling them the answer, so Samson, not one to shirk on a debt, takes the honorable route: he runs out and kills thirty men, steals their clothes, and pays the men. This delightful children’s video lightens the mood with an upbeat song. But remember, he murdered thirty men; that’s only five short of Ted Bundy status, and it doesn’t even count the 1,000 he killed later with a donkey bone.

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Elijah

Elijah

We mentioned Elijah earlier; he was the prophet who appointed Elisha to take his place before God sent a flaming chariot to lift Elijah into heaven. Needless to say, he was fairly holy. During the time that he was a prophet in Israel, there came a period when many of the people began to worship Baal, a heathen god. Elijah was perturbed at this turn of events, and decided to prove himself to the Israelites.

In 1 Kings 18:19-40, he called together 450 of the prophets of Baal and gave them a challenge: Kill a bull and put it on an altar, then pray to Baal to light the altar for you. They prayed for hours but nothing happened, so Elijah took a turn. He killed a bull and set up an altar, then prayed to God to light it. Boom, instant fire. The Baal prophets immediately converted to believers, but Elijah wasn’t satisfied. So he took them all down to a river and systematically executed every single one of them.

Elijah actually spent a lot of time proving how holy he was—in 2 Kings 1:9-14, fifty men were ordered to come bring Elijah to the king. Elijah said, “If I be a man of God, let fire come down from heaven and consume thee and thy fifty.” So he killed them all, then did the same with the next hundred men who came for him.

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Jephthah

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Jephthah was the son of Gilead, a wealthy man, but his mother was a harlot (LovePeddler), which meant that he was doomed to be ostracized. True to form, Jephthah was kicked out of his home with no inheritance as a young man (“thou art the son of a strange woman”). After several years had passed, the Israelites went to war (or kept being at war—they were at war a lot). They sought out Jephthah and asked him to return to Gilead, and from there lead their armies into battle against the Ammonites. At this point the king of Ammon asked Israel to just let them live peacefully, and the Israelites’ reply pretty much summed up the reasoning behind every holy war up through the Crusades: “Whomsoever the Lord our God shall drive out from before us, them will we possess.”

So Jephthah led the charge, but before the battle he made a bargain with God: Let us win, and I’ll sacrifice the first thing that greets me at my home when I return. God kept his side of the deal, and when Jephthah returned home his daughter ran out to meet him. And Jephthah kept his side of the bargain too—he performed a ritual sacrifice of his daughter, his only child, to pay back God.

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Jehu

Jehu

Jehu became the king of Israel after a violent coup overthrew the previous king, King Jehoram. In the aftermath of the battle, Jehu hunted down and killed all of Jehoram’s royal family and had their heads—seventy of them—piled outside the city gates. Then he ran over Jehoram’s mother in his chariot. But wait, wait until we get to the brutal part.

As the new king, anointed by the prophet Elisha, Jehu had some house cleaning to do. According to 2 Kings 10:18, Jehu put out a fake rumor that he was a Baal worshiper, and asked for all the Baal worshipers in the kingdom to come to a massive sacrifice in his honor. When the people came from throughout the kingdom they were ushered into the house of Baal; it doesn’t say how many there were, but the house of Baal was “full from one end to another.” With every single member of the religion safely clustered in the church, Jehu ordered his army to storm in and massacre them all. That’s one of the literal definitions of genocide. God rewarded Jehu by granting his next four generations a guaranteed seat on the throne of Israel.

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Joshua


The story of how Joshua destroyed the walls of Jericho with the blast of trumpets is the stuff of legend. Elvis can tell you all about it. But like most good Sunday school stories, the genocide comes later. Because once those walls came a-crumbling down, Joshua’s army entered the city and killed the men, women, and children without distinction—”both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword.”

What the story doesn’t tell is that this wasn’t an isolated battle; Joshua was on a zealous tirade all across Israel. Here are five meaningless words: Libnah, Lachish, Eglon, Hebron, Debir. Each one of those is a city filled with people which, according to Joshua Chapter 10, the army of Joshua completely devastated. He “utterly destroyed all that breathed.”


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MOSES
Moses is most famous for leading the Israelites out of Egypt; the book of Exodus covers the big stories—the ten plagues, the parting of the Red Sea, and receiving the Ten Commandments from God (thou shalt not kill, etc.). It’s Numbers, however, that covers the forty years in the wilderness (which was literally a punishment for not wanting to attack a city). And rather than wandering, the Israelites spent much of this time invading other cities.

After a victorious battle against the Midianites, Moses gave the following ludicrous order: “Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children,

that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.” (Numbers 31:17-18). This is literally permission to rape all the little girls in the Midianite cities.






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GOD

So far we’ve seen nearly a dozen cities completely ravaged and all the inhabitants put to death. We’ve seen commands for rape, religious genocide, the killing of children, and human sacrifice. What we haven’t seen are the burning of whores, a ban on crippled people, or the killing of 70,000 men. There are 134 words in this paragraph, and if we linked a verse on every single word, it wouldn’t even begin to scratch the surface of the acts committed either by God’s hand or under His command that would be considered immoral—or blatantly insane—by today’s standards. But that’s the thing, right? Today’s standards are held to a different moral code than the standards of the 800 years or so before the birth of Christ. But, then again, how does that make any sense?

n Genesis 1, we have the creation of the entire universe in six days about 6000 years ago. 6000 years is an incredibly short length of time for civilization to have been around, let alone the entire universe. The creationists fudge by saying 10,000 years, but the genealogy given in the Bible implies 6000 years, without gaps. Creation in only six days also conflicts with overwhelming scientific evidence. For example, we see distant galaxies as they were billions of years ago, it takes light that long to get to us. The creationists resort to light traveling much faster in the past, or to the creation of this light already on its way to earth.

We notice a couple problems with the events of creation. For example, on day one, we have the creation of light and dark, day and night. The sun and moon are not created until day four. Many Christians assume that the days of creation are actual geologic ages. Even then, the creation of grasses, and whales, and birds (which are all fairly recent in the history of life) are out of order.

In Genesis 3, we are told of Adam's sin. And we have the beginning of sickness, pain, death, misery, thorns, etc. There supposedly was no death before this, so all of the dinosaurs and trilobites were alive in Adam's time.

In Genesis 6 and 7, we have the world-wide flood of Noah. There is plenty of evidence for many regional floods, but not for a world-wide flood. We read of water covering all but the highest mountains. Where did all this water go? Noah's boat was too small to hold all of the species in the world. This Ark apparently did not carry fish, and most saltwater fish cannot survive long in fresh water, and most freshwater fish cannot survive long in salt water. After the flood, the various species dispersed to their current homes, with kangaroos hopping all the way to Australia, without any evidence of their trek.

In Joshua 6, we have Joshua commanding the sun to stand still, so the children of Israel can defeat the Amorites. To be accurate, he should have commanded the earth to stop spinning. To stop the earth's spin, and then start it up again, is a miracle of creation or flood caliber. It should have produced devastating effects, enough to wipe out life on earth.

On a smaller scale, we have bats and locusts (which walk on "all four legs" listed as birds in Leviticus 11 and Deuteronomy 14. This sloppy classification may be all right for some purposes. But from a scientific point of view, it is silly.

In Job, Psalms, Proverbs, and Isaiah, we find that God laid the foundations of the earth, and that it does not move (Psalms 104:5). This is one of the reasons that Galileo was convicted of heresy for saying that the earth moves around the sun.

In I Kings and II Chronicles, we find a circular vessel which has a circumference that is three times its diameter, implying that the author thinks that pi is 3. Pi is about 3.14159..., fairly close to 3. But for any practical purpose, 3 is a perfectly worthless value for pi.

The Bible is, of course, a wonderful source of religion and philosophy. But the authors were not knowledgeable scientists with 20th century information.

Scientific Facts in the Bible

1. Only in recent years has science discovered that everything we see is composed of invisible atoms. Here, Scripture tells us that the "things which are seen were not made of things which do appear."

2. Medical science has only recently discovered that blood-clotting in a newborn reaches its peak on the eighth day, then drops. The Bible consistently says that a baby must be circumcised on the eighth day.

3. At a time when it was believed that the earth sat on a large animal or a giant (1500 B.C.), the Bible spoke of the earth’s free float in space: "He...hangs the earth upon nothing" (Job 26:7).

4. The prophet Isaiah also tells us that the earth is round: "It is he that sits upon the circle of the earth" (Isaiah 40:22). This is not a reference to a flat disk, as some skeptic maintain, but to a sphere. Secular man discovered this 2,400 years later. At a time when science believed that the earth was flat, is was the Scriptures that inspired Christopher Columbus to sail around the world (see Proverbs 3:6 footnote).

5. God told Job in 1500 B.C.: "Can you send lightnings, that they may go, and say to you, Here we are?" (Job 38:35). The Bible here is making what appears to be a scientifically ludicrous statement—that light can be sent, and then manifest itself in speech. But did you know that radio waves travel at the speed of light? This is why you can have instantaneous wireless communication with someone on the other side of the earth. Science didn’t discover this until 1864 when "British scientist James Clerk Maxwell suggested that electricity and light waves were two forms of the same thing" (Modern Century Illustrated Encyclopedia).

6. Job 38:19 asks, "Where is the way where light dwells?" Modern man has only recently discovered that light (electromagnetic radiation) has a "way," traveling at 186,000 miles per second.

7. Science has discovered that stars emit radio waves, which are received on earth as a high pitch. God mentioned this in Job 38:7: "When the morning stars sang together..."

8. "Most cosmologists (scientists who study the structures and evolution of the universe) agree that the Genesis account of creation, in imagining an initial void, may be uncannily close to the truth" (Time, Dec. 1976).

9. Solomon described a "cycle" of air currents two thousand years before scientists "discovered" them. "The wind goes toward the south, and turns about unto the north; it whirls about continually, and the wind returns again according to his circuits" (Ecclesiastes 1:6).

10. Science expresses the universe in five terms: time, space, matter, power, and motion. Genesis 1:1,2 revealed such truths to the Hebrews in 1450 B.C.: "In the beginning [time] God created [power] the heaven [space] and the earth [matter] . . . And the Spirit of God moved [motion] upon the face of the waters." The first thing God tells man is that He controls of all aspects of the universe.

11. The great biological truth concerning the importance of blood in our body’s mechanism has been fully comprehended only in recent years. Up until 120 years ago, sick people were "bled," and many died because of the practice. If you lose your blood, you lose your life. Yet Leviticus 17:11, written 3,000 years ago, declared that blood is the source of life: "For the life of the flesh is in the blood."

12. All things were made by Him (see John 1:3), including dinosaurs. Why then did the dinosaur disappear? The answer may be in Job 40:15–24. In this passage, God speaks about a great creature called "behemoth." Some commentators think this was a hippopotamus. However, the hippo’s tail isn’t like a large tree, but a small twig. Following are the characteristics of this huge animal: It was the largest of all the creatures God made; was plant-eating (herbivorous); had its strength in its hips and a tail like a large tree. It had very strong bones, lived among the trees, drank massive amounts of water, and was not disturbed by a raging river. He appears impervious to attack because his nose could pierce through snares, but Scripture says, "He that made him can make his sword to approach unto him." In other words, God caused this, the largest of all the creatures He had made, to become extinct.

13. Encyclopedia Britannica documents that in 1845, a young doctor in Vienna named Dr. Ignaz Semmelweis was horrified at the terrible death rate of women who gave birth in hospitals. As many as 30 percent died after giving birth. Semmelweis noted that doctors would examine the bodies of patients who died, then, without washing their hands, go straight to the next ward and examine expectant mothers. This was their normal practice, because the presence of microscopic diseases was unknown. Semmelweis insisted that doctors wash their hands before examinations, and the death rate immediately dropped to 2 percent. Look at the specific instructions God gave His people for when they encounter disease: "And when he that has an issue is cleansed of his issue; then he shall number to himself even days for his cleansing, and wash his clothes, and bathe his flesh in running water, and shall be clean" (Leviticus 15:13). Until recent years, doctors washed their hands in a bowl of water, leaving invisible germs on their hands. However, the Bible says specifically to wash hands under "running water."

14. Luke 17:34–36 says the Second Coming of Jesus Christ will occur while some are asleep at night and others are working at daytime activities in the field. This is a clear indication of a revolving earth, with day and night at the same time.

15. "During the devastating Black Death of the fourteenth century, patients who were sick or dead were kept in the same rooms as the rest of the family. People often wondered why the disease was affecting so many people at one time. They attributed these epidemics to ‘bad air’ or ‘evil spirits.’ However, careful attention to the medical commands of God as revealed in Leviticus would have saved untold millions of lives. Arturo Castiglione wrote about the overwhelming importance of this biblical medical law: ‘The laws against leprosyin Leviticus 13 may be regarded as the first model of sanitary legislation’ (A History of Medicine)."

not everything has logical interpretation or physical meaning. spirits exist. whether atheisr agree or not

obadiah777: WELL I HAVE DISCUSSED THIS AS A SIDE ISSUE ON A THREAD BUT JUST THOUGHT IT WAS BIG ENOUGH TO DESERVE ITS OWN THREAD AS WELL AS TO CONFOUND GAINSAYING PHARISEES LIKE BOOKMARK AND DESIKA AS TO THE METAPHORICAL NATURE OF THE BIBLE. IN THIS THREAD I WILL DISCUSS AS WELL AS THE WALKING ON WATER ISSUE, THE REAL MEANING OF WHAT BAPTISM IS, AS WELL AS REITERATE WHAT FASTING REALLY IS. SO 3 ISSUES, 3 FALLACIES OF CHRISTIANS, 3 ERRORS OF CHRISTIANS.

ISSUE 1 - DID JESUS WALK ON WATER LITERALLY ? WHAT KINDA MAGIC TRICK IS THAT ? IS THAT WHAT THE BIBLE IS REALLY TALKING ABOUT ? NO IT IS NOT. WHAT IS WATERS ? LETS GO PRECEPT UPON PRECEPT
REVELATION 17 VS 15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the LovePeddler sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. WATERS IS A MULTITUDE OF PEOPLES. SO THE WAVES WERE ROUGH AND ERRATIC MEANING THE PEOPLES HE WAS PREACHING TO WERE REPROBATE BELLIGERENT ROWDY SCOFFERS, HOWEVER HE WALKED OVER THE WATERS, HE CALMED THE WATERS, MEANING HE PREVAILED OVER THE PEOPLE AND CONVINCED THE GAINSAYERS AND SCOFFERS. HE WALKED OVER THEM. HE PREVAILED OVER THEM. HE CONVERTED THEM ALL. AND THATS WHAT THAT MEANS. HE AINT LITERALLY WALK OVER WATER. HE IS THE LORD BUT HE DONT DO CHEAP MAGIC TRICKS.

ISSUE 2- ALL THESE REPROBATE PASTORS DIPPING PEOPLE IN WATER THINKING THEY ARE BAPTIZING THEM DONE LOST THEY MINDS. JUST THE OTHER DAY ONE OF THEM MANAGED TO DROWN HIMSELF IN HIS BAPTISMAL WATER. THESE FOLKS IS CRAZY. SO WHAT EXACTLY DOES BAPTISM IN WATER MEAN ? 'WATER' IN THE SINGULAR IS A BIBLICAL WORD FOR 'DOCTRINE'. WHAT DOCTRINE ? IN THIS CASE THE WORD, THE BIBLE. SO WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BAPTIZE WITH WATER ? LETS LET THE DICTIONARY DO THE REST OF THE JOB FOR US
bap·tize (bp-tz, bptz)
v. bap·tized, bap·tiz·ing, bap·tiz·es
b. To initiate.

TO INITIATE ? WHAT DOES TO INITIATE MEAN ?
in·i·ti·ate (-nsh-t)
tr.v. in·i·ti·at·ed, in·i·ti·at·ing, in·i·ti·ates
a. Instructed in esoteric knowledge.

WHAT IS ESOTERIC KNOWLEDGE ?
es·o·ter·ic [es-uh-ter-ik] Show IPA
adjective
understood by or meant for only the select few who have special knowledge or interest; recondite:
AND THERE YOU HAVE IT, TO BE BAPTIZED MEANS TO BE TAUGHT SPECIAL KNOWLEDGE WHICH IS MEANT FOR A SELECT FEW AND TO BE BAPTIZED WITH WATER MEANS TO BE TAUGHT THE SCRIPTURES. AINT GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH DIPPING FOLK IN LITERAL WATER.

here comes this fellow who is talented at remixing bible to suit his own personal abstract idea. am not suprised at all.

[quote author=Flyin' Saucer]Knowledge coupled with Reason. At least we know now dat d earth is round n dat it is not d center of d universe. I doubt if some of d gods pple worship knw dis simple fact.[/quote]

Responce

truthislight: Mother and child(daughter) who should be asking questions and who should be answering based on experience?

Smh for you.
*sigh

any body can ask

Segeggs: Are you saying that one can make a pagan shrine one's prayer house?SMH.
*SUSPECTED CATHOLIC DEFENDING PAGANISM*

am saying one who finds himself surrounded by gods of shango and amadioha can still pray to God and.

Addres the issue nt d speaker. Leave catholic out of this

alfaman2: Yes. When I "create" poo in the morning, I never consider the design.

u didnt create pool, u only deposited it from ur system. U neva knew the color or the size of d poo

Segeggs: you call adeboye laying his hand on a kneeling GEJ praying against boko haram? Na wa for you o

am nt in suport of what goodluck did, he just didnt do it cos of election.

Segeggs: yes offcourse! He did that to secure 2015

shut up, he did it when bokoharam were disturbin intensely

Bobbysworld28: C ehn, u cannot tell Jesus 2 pray 4 u. U cannot pray 2 Jesus. U shouldn't evn pray 2 his statue.D master gave instructions. He said in john 4:23 But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. 24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”


We must worship God nt with d traditions passed down 2 us but in Spirit & truth. Jesus said dt he is d way (to live,act)... So if u r a christian & wht u r doing are at odds with d one whom u profess then u r nt right. Either that or u r nt a christian.

.but we are encouragd to call Jesus name. At D mention of d NAME OF JESUS, EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW

praying or worship is independant on what is before you. You can stand in front of a devil and pray to God

praying or worship is independnt on posture or position. Lawyers bow to JUDGE,and say my Lord.THEY DONT WORSHIP judge

it depends on ur intention ur mind ur aim.
Hearth


It depends on ur words, ur lyrics. Abudance of d heart,d mouth speaketh

true worshipers worship the father in spirt and in truth

Bobbysworld28: Italo
U r a professed christian right? U knw wht dt means? It literally means christ-like. Dt means in words actions & deeds u should behave like Jesus Christ.

Yea,


Dt established, hw did Jesus teach to pray & how did he pray? When he was asked he said pray in this manner: Our Father who art in heaven... Did u c dat?

When catholics pRAY, D PRAYER IS ADDRESSED TO JESUS AND GOD. The roSARY CONTAINS OUR FATHER. When PPRAYING ROSARY, WE SAY OUR FATHER OVER 20 TIMES.


Who was d prayer addresed to?


GOD(same with catholic)


Elsewhere he said whtever u ask d Father in my name...
Do a careful study & validate this 4 urself. Evn after he left, his disciples continued in dt fashion. Pls check all d epistles & c 4 urself.
Where on earth did u get d notion to pray through Jesus, to Jesus, through Mary, statues or even dead people? Fyi u cannot ask a Pastor to pray to Jesus 4 u. It is an insult to d new way established by d death, burial & resurrection of Jesus.
U nid 2 awake 2 d Fatherhood of God & learn to pray to God d Father in d name of Jesus. Dt is d established pattern for d heirs of salvation.

:-):-)


YOU ARE MAKING Sence bro, but ur issue is realy derailing d topic. I tink i wil open a thread on dat isue next week.

Pygru: abeg which Mary
shebi the one for bible don die

replace Mary with Jesus.

If i stand in front of Jesus statue and ask JESUS TO PRAY 4 ME, who am i worshiping

Segeggs: stop beign daft. Its not compulsory u comment.

*A CATHOLIC LOOKING FOR A WAY TO JUSTIFY PAGANISM*

bt its fact ,many protestant cant pray witout bible. If they want to sleep, they place bible on their chest or under pilow..wat d u cal dat?

Bobbysworld28: Tobechi, did u c my write-up? Ur reply is expected.

where?

Segeggs: its only a fake christian or someone who is not grounded in the scriptures that will bow before a pastor who is supposed to be a fellow brethren. I as a christian know that we have false christians among us who bear false doctrine but catholics will never admit paganism.SMH

catholics admit what is true fact.catholic admit that xmas has pagan origin . But wont admit to idolatory because its nt true

I am trying to make a point which u seem not to get



praying or worship is independant on what is before you. You can stand in front of a devil and pray to God

praying or worship is independnt on posture or position. Lawyers bow to JUDGE,and say my Lord.THEY DONT WORSHIP judge

it depends on ur intention ur mind ur aim.
Hearth


It depends on ur words, ur lyrics. Abudance of d heart,d mouth speaketh

true worshipers worship the father in spirt and in truth

Segeggs: @italo and @tobechi.

people only REST on their bed to say a prayer simply because they are about going to bed or just woke up from sleep. Such a prayer is done without any respect for the bed, just like sitting on chair while praying. To deliberately walk down to a PREPARED placed with statues and rosaries around, bowing before the statues and saying a prayer in the NAME of the statue is what is totally ABSURD christianwise. Thank you

if i delibrately walk to my pastor, and bow my head b4 him does it mean i am praying to him

ijawkid: Because the bed is where the person sleeps.............

Beds are made for sleeping and not relics or objects of devotion...

I can't believe you are asking this mumu foolish questions......

I have asked you to compare your pattern of prayer to that of Jesus,...that simple experiment would show who you are really worshipping or praying to..........

Can you just do that??

U ARE A HYPOCRITE. Who ask u what bed is for? Ure deluded

ijawkid: have u ever in your life prayed without reciting the hail Mary ?...the actual truth is u do not pray to the Father...you pray to a goddess.....



iI want u to tell me if your prayers sound alike that of Jesus...

leave Mary out of this. Ok?

ijawkid: you are deluded for asking jejune questions...asking me to tell you if one who is resting on his bed is really praying to the Father......


is your carved God forsaking Mary image your bed you lie on?.....



or do we wear our beds on our neck,hang them in our places of worship....



you are no different from a Buddhist bro....

y are u digresing. Plz answer d questn

italo: You havent answered my question even though I have answered yours which you asked after I asked you mine.

Now how can you tell that the person is not worshiping his bed?

Why are you scared to give an honest Christian answer to this question.

@ Tobechi, are you seeing what I told you about asking them questions in the other thread?

The ones that answer honestly become Catholic, the rest refuse to answer even the most simple question honestly.

yea, they know where d questiòn lead to. By answering honestly,they wil discover the eror they have about catholic church. They refuse to answer, prefer to drible round.

Bobbysworld28: Tobechi, d answer to ur question is no. Next!

d only honest non catholic nairalander

ijawkid: Tobechi is so desperate to support his idolatrou§ stance......

It is like asking if Jesus worshipped what ever was around(grasses,tress etc) him when he went away from his disciples to pray to his Father.......

How does one who lies down on his bed to pray before a good night rest com¶are with one who walks up to the deaÐ graven image of mary,bowing Ðown to it and saying the hail mary........

TOBECHI yÓu shoÙld go hide your head in shame..........

same with alex, this has nothing to do with mary, it deals on U ACCUSING US OF WORSHIPING STATUES, CROSS ETC BECAUSE WE BOw our head and pray in front of them

alexleo: My friend you sound so desperate and ridiculous. Whats the purpose of kneeling beside your bed to pray and kneeling before a status? One has to do with just positioning yourself or leaning on the bed for prayer while the other has to do with worshiping an image in the name of worshiping God. Pls save yourself the ridicule sir. Thanks.

u are askd a yes/no answer and u replied by difrentiating the two. Without answering the question. THIS IS WHY STUDENTS FAIL WAEC

I HAVE BIN WATCHING THIS THREAD 4 SOM TIME NOW .i purposely didnt want to coment until nw.


OBSERVATION

out of over ten coments', only one gave an answer, the rest either criticizd the question or condemnd the op(me) or even gave unrelated reply castigatin the entire catholicsm.

Smh

MsDarkSkin: The lady basically is a muslim woman who is part of a predom. muslim culture
she meets a christian family who introduces the teachings of "Christ" to her.
She admires their lifestyle but is conflicted with thoughts that she is betraying her
people as a muslimah but for some reason she becomes drawn to x-tianity.

her brother discovers what she's been doing and beats her. She is sent back to her village immediately where she is viewed as a disgrace and prayed over in a ritual like fashion to get the "devil" out of her. She goes with the flow knowing she no longer wants to be muslim...
she makes a run for it by way of a bus back to where she was when she found "jesus"...

the bus breaks down two hours after departure...she prays and asks Jesus to prove he is the savior of all people by allowing her to survive leaving the country...

according to her, the bus is fixed shortly after her prayer and after hearing Jesus' voice...

she ends the video by claiming she still loves her family, she still loves being somali and that she hopes jesus will save her nation...

and that's the end.

#goodmemory!!

thks dear, what a courageous decision by a woman

peteregwu: i undestand u now, just like d day i was preaching to a weed/cigrette smoker, he told me that he cant find where the bible condemns smoking...so to him smoking is righteousness before God. Isaiah 5:20 KJV. "Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!"

well, am not surprised because the bible prophecied that a time is coming when many will not like to here sound doctrine from the bible all they want to here is that the Lord will bless them and give them money, it does not matter their evil an wickedness. today homosexuals and lesbians are also claiming thd same thing, that God approves their status an their is nothing wrong with gay marriage.

2 Timothy 4:3-4 KJV
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; [4] And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

when talking with catholics, you ask IS IT IN THE BIBLE? now catholics and smokers ask u the same question. U cant answer.

rotas: U hv been decieved.d religion wl give u 666 and lead u to hell.if u know d ground u ar threading u wl run from catholism.catholic is an occultic religion:jesuit,knights ...ur jesuit pope wl soon teach u lesson.rev 18:4 plague is coming on roman catholics.

thks 4 d lecture, but can u plz answer d question