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Well, i only have one question for the poster, in Gen 1:26"And God said, Let [b]us [/b]make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."

Who was he taking to?

What Tithe Really Means

What is Tithe?

Tithe means dedicated the first one-tenth of our income for support of God’s work in faith and love through righteousness. It is a command from God. It is the key to Open Heavens. It provides divine insurance against satanic encroachment
Lev 27:30, “And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD's: it is holy unto the LORD”

Deut 26:1-2, “And it shall be, when thou art come in unto the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance, and possessest it, and dwellest therein; That thou shalt take of the first of all the fruit of the earth, which thou shalt bring of thy land that the LORD thy God giveth thee, and shalt put it in a basket, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose to place his name there”
Mal 3:10-11. “Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it. And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the LORD of hosts”



Tithing befor the Law

According to the bible, Abraham was first believer who paid Tithe
Gen 14:20 “And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all”

Heb 7:2-6 ‘To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually. Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils. And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham: But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.”


Rom 4:12, “And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.”

Jacob also paid tithe. Gen 28:22. “And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God's house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee”

Tithing under the Law

All the tithe of the land, whether of produce of the land, or flock. are for the Lord.
Lev 27:30, “And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD's: it is holy unto the LORD”

Deut 14:23. “And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always.”
Deut 16:17 “Every man shall give as he is able, according to the blessing of the LORD thy God which he hath given thee.”. Even tithing were obeyed during the reigns of Kings and prophets.
2Chr. 31:5-12. “And as soon as the commandment came abroad, the children of Israel brought in abundance the firstfruits of corn, wine, and oil, and honey, and of all the increase of the field; and the tithe of all things brought they in abundantly. And concerning the children of Israel and Judah, that dwelt in the cities of Judah, they also brought in the tithe of oxen and sheep, and the tithe of holy things which were consecrated unto the LORD their God, and laid them by heaps. In the third month they began to lay the foundation of the heaps, and finished them in the seventh month. And when Hezekiah and the princes came and saw the heaps, they blessed the LORD, and his people Israel. Then Hezekiah questioned with the priests and the Levites concerning the heaps. And Azariah the chief priest of the house of Zadok answered him, and said, Since the people began to bring the offerings into the house of the LORD, we have had enough to eat, and have left plenty: for the LORD hath blessed his people; and that which is left is this great store. Then Hezekiah commanded to prepare chambers in the house of the LORD; and they prepared them, And brought in the offerings and the tithes and the dedicated things faithfully: over which Cononiah the Levite was ruler, and Shimei his brother was the next.

Neh 10:37. “And that we should bring the firstfruits of our dough, and our offerings, and the fruit of all manner of trees, of wine and of oil, unto the priests, to the chambers of the house of our God; and the tithes of our ground unto the Levites, that the same Levites might have the tithes in all the cities of our tillage.”
Neh 13:10-14 “And I perceived that the portions of the Levites had not been given them: for the Levites and the singers, that did the work, were fled every one to his field. Then contended I with the rulers, and said, Why is the house of God forsaken? And I gathered them together, and set them in their place. Then brought all Judah the tithe of the corn and the new wine and the oil unto the treasuries. And I made treasurers over the treasuries, Shelemiah the priest, and Zadok the scribe, and of the Levites, Pedaiah: and next to them was Hanan the son of Zaccur, the son of Mattaniah: for they were counted faithful, and their office was to distribute unto their brethren. Remember me, O my God, concerning this, and wipe not out my good deeds that I have done for the house of my God, and for the offices thereof.”
,Mal. 3:7-12 “Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the LORD of hosts. But ye said, Wherein shall we return? Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation. Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it. And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the LORD of hosts. And all nations shall call you blessed: for ye shall be a delightsome land, saith the LORD of hosts.


Tithe in the New Testament

This is the hot area, where many doubted the paying of Tithe, but I want us know Jesus spoke about Tithe . Matt 23:23. “Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.”
Lk 18:9-12. “And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.”

What is God’s purpose for Tithing

This is another area where people get it wrong, some believe it not supposed to be paid at all, some it should be free will not a certain amount, and others it should be paid at a pleasure. Now take a look at what my answer are:
1. For supporting of Ministers of God, Tithe were for the Levites and our Pastors are the Levites of Today.
Num 18:24-26. “But the tithes of the children of Israel, which they offer as an heave offering unto the LORD, I have given to the Levites to inherit: therefore I have said unto them, Among the children of Israel they shall have no inheritance. And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Thus speak unto the Levites, and say unto them, When ye take of the children of Israel the tithes which I have given you from them for your inheritance, then ye shall offer up an heave offering of it for the LORD, even a tenth part of the tithe”
Deut 14:27-28. “And the Levite that is within thy gates; thou shalt not forsake him; for he hath no part nor inheritance with thee. At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates”
Neh 10:37-38. “And that we should bring the firstfruits of our dough, and our offerings, and the fruit of all manner of trees, of wine and of oil, unto the priests, to the chambers of the house of our God; and the tithes of our ground unto the Levites, that the same Levites might have the tithes in all the cities of our tillage. And the priest the son of Aaron shall be with the Levites, when the Levites take tithes: and the Levites shall bring up the tithe of the tithes unto the house of our God, to the chambers, into the treasure house.”
1Cor 9:7-18. “Who goeth a warfare any time at his own charges? who planteth a vineyard, and eateth not of the fruit thereof? or who feedeth a flock, and eateth not of the milk of the flock? Say I these things as a man? or saith not the law the same also? For it is written in the law of Moses, thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen? Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope. If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things? If others be partakers of this power over you, are not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the gospel of Christ. Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel. But I have used none of these things: neither have I written these things, that it should be so done unto me: for it were better for me to die, than that any man should make my glorying void. For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel! For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation of the gospel is committed unto me. What is my reward then? Verily that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the gospel of Christ without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel.”





2 That house of God will not be in want. Mal 3:10 “Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.”
3 Supporting the orphans and the Poor. Deut 26:12-14 “When thou hast made an end of tithing all the tithes of thine increase the third year, which is the year of tithing, and hast given it unto the Levite, the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, that they may eat within thy gates, and be filled; Then thou shalt say before the LORD thy God, I have brought away the hallowed things out of mine house, and also have given them unto the Levite, and unto the stranger, to the fatherless, and to the widow, according to all thy commandments which thou hast commanded me: I have not transgressed thy commandments, neither have I forgotten them. I have not eaten thereof in my mourning, neither have I taken away ought thereof for any unclean use, nor given ought thereof for the dead: but I have hearkened to the voice of the LORD my God, and have done according to all that thou hast commanded me”
Rom 15:25-26. “But now I go unto Jerusalem to minister unto the saints. For it hath pleased them of Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the poor saints which are at Jerusalem.”
4 For spreading the Gospel Act 11:29. “Then the disciples, every man according to his ability, determined to send relief unto the brethren which dwelt in Judaea”
Acts 24:17. “Now after many years I came to bring alms to my nation, and offerings”
These are the purposes of Tithe, It only takes a God-Fearing Pastor to obey, and that is why people are complaining of men of God demanding for tithe, it morally not right, but it is for the good of their congregation, but here I only refer to a Genuie Pastor, if you doubt the credibility of your pastor, then you have to take on your worries and I think this comes up because of lack of trust, which is not suppose to be, If you are attending a living Church, not money makers, and do not want your pastor to suffer, then you should pay your tithe in time and accurately.

Now I have studied that the FAQ about tithe, the most asked is what I will highlight and answer,
1. Is the Tithe not for those under the Law?
Payment of Tithes was practiced before the law. And so was gotten even the law was. Read Matt 23:23 “Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.”


2. Should I tithe gross or net?
Your Gross income is your real income, frankly it is gross not net, cos that is what you received and was officially recorded and since God never divided his blessing to certain people and later to other, why should you now, take away the house allowance and others, he gave it to you free, why would you not give to him back, or is 10% too much for God, remember, lay up your treasure where moth nor thieves can not destroy.
3. Could I tithe when I can afford it/?
Those who put God First will not be the last to be blessed,
4. Can I borrow my tithe and pay back?
It is not advisable, but if you do, you are going to pay back with 5% interest,
Lev 27:31 “And if a man will at all redeem ought of his tithes, he shall add thereto the fifth part thereof.”
5. How should I tithe as a business man?
The tithe should come out of the profit, not out of your capital.
6. Can I use my tithe to feed the poor?
The tithe is a secured property belonging to God, it does not even belong to you and therefore you can not determine its useage.
7. Can I give my tithe any where I find myself or to my favourite ministers or ministries?
Mal 3:10 “That there may be meat in my house”, the tithe belong to the place where you worship, where you are received as part of them, where you take you covering and receive spiritual food. You may say you attend many churches, but you should be identified with one, and that is where you tithe should go, but for instance if you traveled or you are not in your place of covering, you can pay it there if you see you can be tempted to touch, but if you can hold on, pay it at you place of worship.

Conclusion
Job 36:11 “If they obey and serve him, they shall spend their days in prosperity and their years in plenty.”

Tithe

What is Tithe?

Tithe means dedicated the first one-tenth of our income for support of God’s work in faith and love through righteousness. It is a command from God. It is the key to Open Heavens. It provides divine insurance against satanic encroachment
Lev 27:30, “And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD's: it is holy unto the LORD”

Deut 26:1-2, “And it shall be, when thou art come in unto the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance, and possessest it, and dwellest therein; That thou shalt take of the first of all the fruit of the earth, which thou shalt bring of thy land that the LORD thy God giveth thee, and shalt put it in a basket, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose to place his name there”
Mal 3:10-11. “Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it. And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the LORD of hosts”



Tithing befor the Law

According to the bible, Abraham was first believer who paid Tithe
Gen 14:20 “And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all”

Heb 7:2-6 ‘To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually. Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils. And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham: But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.”


Rom 4:12, “And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.”

Jacob also paid tithe. Gen 28:22. “And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God's house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee”

Tithing under the Law

All the tithe of the land, whether of produce of the land, or flock. are for the Lord.
Lev 27:30, “And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD's: it is holy unto the LORD”

Deut 14:23. “And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always.”
Deut 16:17 “Every man shall give as he is able, according to the blessing of the LORD thy God which he hath given thee.”. Even tithing were obeyed during the reigns of Kings and prophets.
2Chr. 31:5-12. “And as soon as the commandment came abroad, the children of Israel brought in abundance the firstfruits of corn, wine, and oil, and honey, and of all the increase of the field; and the tithe of all things brought they in abundantly. And concerning the children of Israel and Judah, that dwelt in the cities of Judah, they also brought in the tithe of oxen and sheep, and the tithe of holy things which were consecrated unto the LORD their God, and laid them by heaps. In the third month they began to lay the foundation of the heaps, and finished them in the seventh month. And when Hezekiah and the princes came and saw the heaps, they blessed the LORD, and his people Israel. Then Hezekiah questioned with the priests and the Levites concerning the heaps. And Azariah the chief priest of the house of Zadok answered him, and said, Since the people began to bring the offerings into the house of the LORD, we have had enough to eat, and have left plenty: for the LORD hath blessed his people; and that which is left is this great store. Then Hezekiah commanded to prepare chambers in the house of the LORD; and they prepared them, And brought in the offerings and the tithes and the dedicated things faithfully: over which Cononiah the Levite was ruler, and Shimei his brother was the next.

Neh 10:37. “And that we should bring the firstfruits of our dough, and our offerings, and the fruit of all manner of trees, of wine and of oil, unto the priests, to the chambers of the house of our God; and the tithes of our ground unto the Levites, that the same Levites might have the tithes in all the cities of our tillage.”
Neh 13:10-14 “And I perceived that the portions of the Levites had not been given them: for the Levites and the singers, that did the work, were fled every one to his field. Then contended I with the rulers, and said, Why is the house of God forsaken? And I gathered them together, and set them in their place. Then brought all Judah the tithe of the corn and the new wine and the oil unto the treasuries. And I made treasurers over the treasuries, Shelemiah the priest, and Zadok the scribe, and of the Levites, Pedaiah: and next to them was Hanan the son of Zaccur, the son of Mattaniah: for they were counted faithful, and their office was to distribute unto their brethren. Remember me, O my God, concerning this, and wipe not out my good deeds that I have done for the house of my God, and for the offices thereof.”
,Mal. 3:7-12 “Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the LORD of hosts. But ye said, Wherein shall we return? Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation. Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it. And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the LORD of hosts. And all nations shall call you blessed: for ye shall be a delightsome land, saith the LORD of hosts.


Tithe in the New Testament

This is the hot area, where many doubted the paying of Tithe, but I want us know Jesus spoke about Tithe . Matt 23:23. “Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.”
Lk 18:9-12. “And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.”

What is God’s purpose for Tithing

This is another area where people get it wrong, some believe it not supposed to be paid at all, some it should be free will not a certain amount, and others it should be paid at a pleasure. Now take a look at what my answer are:
1. For supporting of Ministers of God, Tithe were for the Levites and our Pastors are the Levites of Today.
Num 18:24-26. “But the tithes of the children of Israel, which they offer as an heave offering unto the LORD, I have given to the Levites to inherit: therefore I have said unto them, Among the children of Israel they shall have no inheritance. And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Thus speak unto the Levites, and say unto them, When ye take of the children of Israel the tithes which I have given you from them for your inheritance, then ye shall offer up an heave offering of it for the LORD, even a tenth part of the tithe”
Deut 14:27-28. “And the Levite that is within thy gates; thou shalt not forsake him; for he hath no part nor inheritance with thee. At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates”
Neh 10:37-38. “And that we should bring the firstfruits of our dough, and our offerings, and the fruit of all manner of trees, of wine and of oil, unto the priests, to the chambers of the house of our God; and the tithes of our ground unto the Levites, that the same Levites might have the tithes in all the cities of our tillage. And the priest the son of Aaron shall be with the Levites, when the Levites take tithes: and the Levites shall bring up the tithe of the tithes unto the house of our God, to the chambers, into the treasure house.”
1Cor 9:7-18. “Who goeth a warfare any time at his own charges? who planteth a vineyard, and eateth not of the fruit thereof? or who feedeth a flock, and eateth not of the milk of the flock? Say I these things as a man? or saith not the law the same also? For it is written in the law of Moses, thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen? Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope. If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things? If others be partakers of this power over you, are not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the gospel of Christ. Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel. But I have used none of these things: neither have I written these things, that it should be so done unto me: for it were better for me to die, than that any man should make my glorying void. For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel! For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation of the gospel is committed unto me. What is my reward then? Verily that, when I preach the gospel, I may make the gospel of Christ without charge, that I abuse not my power in the gospel.”





2 That house of God will not be in want. Mal 3:10 “Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.”
3 Supporting the orphans and the Poor. Deut 26:12-14 “When thou hast made an end of tithing all the tithes of thine increase the third year, which is the year of tithing, and hast given it unto the Levite, the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, that they may eat within thy gates, and be filled; Then thou shalt say before the LORD thy God, I have brought away the hallowed things out of mine house, and also have given them unto the Levite, and unto the stranger, to the fatherless, and to the widow, according to all thy commandments which thou hast commanded me: I have not transgressed thy commandments, neither have I forgotten them. I have not eaten thereof in my mourning, neither have I taken away ought thereof for any unclean use, nor given ought thereof for the dead: but I have hearkened to the voice of the LORD my God, and have done according to all that thou hast commanded me”
Rom 15:25-26. “But now I go unto Jerusalem to minister unto the saints. For it hath pleased them of Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the poor saints which are at Jerusalem.”
4 For spreading the Gospel Act 11:29. “Then the disciples, every man according to his ability, determined to send relief unto the brethren which dwelt in Judaea”
Acts 24:17. “Now after many years I came to bring alms to my nation, and offerings”
These are the purposes of Tithe, It only takes a God-Fearing Pastor to obey, and that is why people are complaining of men of God demanding for tithe, it morally not right, but it is for the good of their congregation, but here I only refer to a Genuie Pastor, if you doubt the credibility of your pastor, then you have to take on your worries and I think this comes up because of lack of trust, which is not suppose to be, If you are attending a living Church, not money makers, and do not want your pastor to suffer, then you should pay your tithe in time and accurately.

Now I have studied that the FAQ about tithe, the most asked is what I will highlight and answer,
1. Is the Tithe not for those under the Law?
Payment of Tithes was practiced before the law. And so was gotten even the law was. Read Matt 23:23 “Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.”


2. Should I tithe gross or net?
Your Gross income is your real income, frankly it is gross not net, cos that is what you received and was officially recorded and since God never divided his blessing to certain people and later to other, why should you now, take away the house allowance and others, he gave it to you free, why would you not give to him back, or is 10% too much for God, remember, lay up your treasure where moth nor thieves can not destroy.
3. Could I tithe when I can afford it/?
Those who put God First will not be the last to be blessed,
4. Can I borrow my tithe and pay back?
It is not advisable, but if you do, you are going to pay back with 5% interest,
Lev 27:31 “And if a man will at all redeem ought of his tithes, he shall add thereto the fifth part thereof.”
5. How should I tithe as a business man?
The tithe should come out of the profit, not out of your capital.
6. Can I use my tithe to feed the poor?
The tithe is a secured property belonging to God, it does not even belong to you and therefore you can not determine its useage.
7. Can I give my tithe any where I find myself or to my favourite ministers or ministries?
Mal 3:10 “That there may be meat in my house”, the tithe belong to the place where you worship, where you are received as part of them, where you take you covering and receive spiritual food. You may say you attend many churches, but you should be identified with one, and that is where you tithe should go, but for instance if you traveled or you are not in your place of covering, you can pay it there if you see you can be tempted to touch, but if you can hold on, pay it at you place of worship.

Conclusion
Job 36:11 “If they obey and serve him, they shall spend their days in prosperity and their years in plenty.”

Facts please and we look at which is immoral when I take you to Song of Solomon and some part of Ezekiel and where prophet slept with daughter etc.

Hey, are you short of what say from your quran, ab eg do not change the gear of the tread, answer noetic, and i am particular about this:

what explanation do u have for osama bin laden`s attrocities in the name of islam?

I dont have o but could you name the atrocities please?

why would you not have, you that could search for the corruptible in the bible, would not know the offence of Bin Laden, i no go blame u because u na be birds of the same feathers, i know you can do the same to nigeria, but God no go allow un a ooo Amen. noetic abeg helep me say amen. make them osama no bomb Oshodi o because na there people plenty pass at any time of the day.

@Todak



The above happened during the war time and I posted enough fact when I replied Lady. It happened when hypocrite brokered the peace treaty and would post it for you again to read without being biased. Olodo


88. Why should ye be divided into two parties about the Hypocrites? Allah hath upset them for their (evil) deeds. Would ye guide those whom Allah hath thrown out of the Way? For those whom Allah hath thrown out of the Way, never shalt thou find the Way.

89. They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks;-

90. Except those who join a group between whom and you there is a treaty (of peace), or those who approach you with hearts restraining them from fighting you as well as fighting their own people. If Allah had pleased, He could have given them power over you, and they would have fought you: Therefore if they withdraw from you but fight you not, and (instead) send you (Guarantees of) peace, then Allah Hath opened no way for you (to war against them).

Why should they be killed after all they did not attack, and also no compulsion in religion, well, i sense here that muhammad felt betrayed and punished them by sending them to hell.
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Narrated 'Ikrima:
Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to 'Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn 'Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Apostle forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"

I dont understand the above hadith please. Which hadith is the above please?
Who collected the hadith please?

\How can you understand, since you could not find something to coverup for the prophet, you came up with non-understading, how come, you are a conversant reader of the queran, hadith and the corrupt bible, so do not give me no for an answer, ok, afterall i gave you where to find it in the hadith, so you must give me the usual explanation for muhammad's action there.



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The facts show that Islam tolerates non - Muslim minorities within the Muslim Nation and treats them as independent nations free to worship and live according to their own religious laws. This was outlined in the Covenant of Medina which became the world's first written constitution in 622 AD.

If atall this was true then, why is it not true now, If want to travel to Saudi Arabia now, and if i happen to take my bible along, i will be jailed or if granted pardon, i will be deported immediately, so you are the one getting it wrong here ok. No muslim nation tolerate non- muslims not even christians, cos they know therever light shows up, darkness will depart.


Muhammad invited the Jews to join the new society as an independent nation, governed by rabbinical court, within the Muslim Nation. The Jews accepted and an agreement known as The Covenant of Medina was signed in 622 AD.

The covenant guaranteed all the parties equality and freedom of religion; emphasized the sanctity of Medina, life, and individual possessions; and prohibited crime.

The Covenant of Medina was a giant leap for mankind and established the basis for treating non-Muslim minorities within the Muslim Nation which ruled the civilized world for more than 8 centuries

The Crusades:

The "real" holy wars were waged by the Crusaders against the Muslims in the Middle East. The Crusaders were brutal in their treatment of Muslim prisoners of war and civilians. When the Crusaders conquered Jerusalem, they killed 70,000 Muslims. When the Muslims re-conquered the city they did not kill anybody.

Orthodox Christians were considered heretics and therefore did not escape the Crusaders' brutality. The Orthodox Churches, which were safe during centuries of Muslim rule, were looted by the Crusaders. The Holy Grail was not the only thing the Crusaders took from the Orthodox churches.

When Muslims ended the Crusades by re-conquering Acre from the Crusaders, Pope Nicolas IV barred Christians from selling timber to Muslims. This embargo did not result in persecution of the Christians in the Muslim countries.


Check my full response to Lady and be enlightened, Olodo Grin

Great history from a perfect liar, check out mine and tell me which come first
# 1.1 Byzantine–Arab Wars: 634-750
# 1.2 Conquest of Persia: 633-651
# 1.3 Conquest of Transoxiana: 662-709
# 1.4 Conquest of Sindh: 664-712
# 1.5 Conquest of Hispania: 711-718
# 1.6 Conquest of the Caucasus: 711-750
# 1.7 End of the Umayyad conquests: 718-750
# 1.8 Conquest of Nubia: 700-1606
# 1.9 Incursions into Southern Italy: 831-902
# 1.10 Conquest of Anatolia: 1060-1360
# 1.11 Byzantine-Ottoman Wars: 1299-1453

The French Wars of Religion (1562 - 1598)
First Crusade 1095-1099

* 2.1.1 Siege of Jerusalem
* 2.1.2 Crusade of 1101

Second Crusade 1147–1149
Third Crusade 1187–1192
Fourth Crusade 1202–1204
Albigensian Crusade
Children's Crusade
Fifth Crusade 1217–1221
Sixth Crusade 1228–1229
Seventh Crusade 1248–1254
Eighth Crusade 1270
Ninth Crusade 1271–1272
Northern Crusades (Baltic and Germany)

Other crusades

* Crusade against the Tatars
* Crusades in the Balkans
* Aragonese Crusade
* Alexandrian Crusade
* Hussite Crusade
* Swedish Crusades
so tell me where did you get that, did allah reveal it to you. Unfortunately you are wrong, go check again and next time do not evade from the truth, ITK

Do you care to serve me the verses where it was abolished?
Do you care to give me verses where is stated that you must not marry more than one wife?
Could you tell me the verses saying its a sin to marry more than one in your bible?

Thanks


In the begining when God created Adam, why didn't he give him more than one wife, even Jesus when asked about marriage and divorce, Jesus said, "Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,' and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'? So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate." [Matthew 19:4-6; see also Genesis 1:27 and Genesis 2:24; Ephesians 5:31]
God defines marriage as a man LEAVING HIS FATHER AND MOTHER and uniting to his wife, so that TWO become
(1) Notice that God's definition of marriage involves a man "leaving his father and mother" to be united to his wife. Once a man has left his father and mother's authority and household to marry, he cannot leave that household again! This means that when a man first marries a woman, he does so upon leaving his parent's authority. If he were to subsequently marry another woman, he would not be leaving his parent's authority again, and thus would not fulfill the definition of marriage as outlined in Matthew 19 and Genesis 2:24.
God gives us only two other circumstances where a man can marry another woman:
1) If his wife dies [see Romans 7:2-3]
2) If his wife commits adultery [see Matthew 19:8-9]flesh.He did not say Three, Four or more

Paul said "Each man should have his own wife (singular word), and each woman her own husband (singular word). [I Corinthians 7:2] So tell me what this implies. heh ITK

@babs
I doubt if you listen to yourself before you post, you look like someone who has brain short-sightedness, you have been brain drained that you can not distingush the truth form false, ok i will ask youn these question and you answer tham:

Where do we have the highest number of Terrorist camps in the world?
Which religion do they claim to profese?
Who are their sponsorers?
Whom do they attack most and why?

you need to tell me position of terrorists in the quran, will they be rewarded or punished.

do not send lies to me ok.

babs you are just trying to be problematic, The Easter we celebrate has nothing to do with Ishtar the goddess of fertility, The Easter we celebrate commemorate the death and ressurrection of Jesus Christ, the saviour of mankind. So if that Easter was once incelebration of Ishtar, but we christians celebrate Jesus, the one who live forever anf will live forever. ok, so your theories of Ishtar and easter is not palatable and presentable. Ask any christian what they do know about easter, they tell it the celebratiion of Christ death and resurrection. ok

God Bless you Cocoman, they do not want ton hear the truth ,oh i pty for them on that last day, allah would not be able to save them ooo

@babs
You are always nervours when i reply your post, i am sure the post hitted you even to your bone marrows, do what do you have to say, give us your own opinion, ITK (I TOO KNOW), since i am an olodo, you wre short of word and could not help your self than to bust like a purewater. hahahahah, sorry allah's slave, may God not make me a slave ooooooo Amen oooooooooo. now you neet to answer the question atleast on behalf of my christian brothers (Davidlan and No2atheism) i have answered , now thw question:

Now, to a lower generations, what is name of God according to Abraham, Moses and Jesus. I think all of them came before Muhammad.

Can someone dare the proof, then can clear the differences of which God Muslims, Christians or Jew is serving.
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please do not tell us youtr usuall old story of the moon god, ok, go make your research and be sincere ok. babs

@babs

hmmm, i wonder if you read your quran as much as you read the bible, listen, if i had the time i would give you the answer you want, but this is what i have to say, the bible was not written by one man, but different men at the those different, so do you expect all to write at the same eloquency, educational experience ieach writer wrote what he saw and that brought the diference, they were were human like you. and if two or more people narrate a story, they narrate totally according to thier understanding, so that is not a cretaria for calling the bible false or full of error, cos on the contrary, the bible has been a powerful instument to deliever, save, drive demons out, miracles were wroth, if is not God's word, i think nobody would have believed and like i told you in one of my earlest post, can over 12 people tell one lie and even after 2000 years it is still authentic, you need to rethink, like i always says It is a mystery beyound human understading, but i think it proofs for itself, like i said, I have not seen or heard where Allah raised the dead but rather add to the dead, neither given legs to the cripple nor eyes to the blind. Christianity is full of proofs. man, you can go to places with your error but they are not tangible, they do not hold water.

@abdkabir,

Respect, i am really flabagasted by your posts, you seems cool headed to be a muslim, you treated the post with all sense of humour and backed out with dignity, i am impressed, but man, you really need to take alook at the islam world, what evil is being done to the world, take a good look at the Sept. 11. 2001, nigerians were amongst those that died, it is obidience to the words of allah and muhammad, where do they get their inspiration from: the same quran you read which taught you to be cool headed taught then to be aggressive just like babs and others. well, keep it up, you will surely see the way out of the dark tunnel. ok.

NO, Muslims are not bad.

Only if you justify
1 Q.4:89 - "They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper."

2 And from the Hadith:Hadith Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57

Narrated 'Ikrima:
Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to 'Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn 'Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Apostle forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"

Then will i agree with you. cos it is one thing to know a man's character and another to know what his religion taught him, and as far as muslims claim, ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF PEACE, now tell me WHAT IS THE PEACE IN THAT HORRIBLE VERSE AND DEATH WARRANT ISSUED BY THE COMMANDER IN CHEIF OF ISLAMIC FORCES IN THE HADITH. EXPLAIN.

@lagosboy


You are a great orator but a foolish one and on the wrong side, what do you know about a polygamy, do you think it is bread and butter, or as easy as it is pronounced, polygamy was practised in the old testament because of the heart of man was lustful, and since the new testament, it has been abolished,


4 all ladies especially in islam

well i think this tread is a teaser and a warning to ladies in islam, if youa are really happy to share your husband's bed with another woman, i bid you to go ahead, but if you know you are uncomfortable with it and you do not want to be doomed for ever, you may take my advice, and if you do not know, polygamy is customised and marital adultery. whether you take it or not, think over it, men do not need to worry, they will satisfy their lust.but it is left for the wise woman to chose wisely. Go ask those who are in that dungeon, they will not tell you the truth, but they are in hell!!!, a word is enough for the wise.

my dear sister, i dont know how old you are but something that has been allowed by Allah can't be bad, I know a lot of people abuse it greatly but it's not he only thing halal that has been abused. I pray Allah grants us understanding.

Indeed, like sharing your husband with another woman, like keeping you indoor and no acces to the free world, like making you a intimacy gadget for your spouse in your own matrimonial home, like beating you when you do something wrong. well, think, arun oju ni, ki n se arun okan. think ! think!

@babs
Now, to a lower generations, what is name of God according to Abraham, Moses and Jesus. I think all of them came before Muhammad.

Can someone dare the proof, then can clear the differences of which God Muslims, Christians or Jew is serving.

Over to you Davidylan, Noetic, Todak, No2atheism

You are a coward, the question was for all and you backed out afterall the horrible quran is the truth and should have given your answer from there and not prove your cowardice to NLers. ok. so give us your answers and i, and others will give ours. Slave.

God had so many names and different names, to Abraham, he was Jeovah Ralpha-The lord my provider, to Moses- he was the I AM THAT I AM, to the Jews, he is YVHW, usually called Yaweh, to the christians- he has uncountable names but every one knows him as the ALMIGHTY GOD WHO CREATED THE HEAVENS AND EARTH,so please let babs tell us in what history and where did the word allah used by Abraham or whoever if not in Mecca where he was the chief god.

Tell me if not for the promises, why would a full fledged man, who has not been brain-drained by a demonic spirit to commit sucide taking along millions of people with him. take a look at those verses in the horrible quran:

Quran-(52:17-20): “They will recline (with ease) on thrones arranged in ranks. And We shall marry them to Huris (fair females) with wide lovely eyes.” “There they shall pass from hand to hand a (wine) cup, free from any Laghw….”

Quran: (37:40-48): …they will sit with bashful, dark-eyed virgins, as chaste as the sheltered eggs of ostriches.

Quran: (44:51-55): Yes and we shall wed them to dark-eyed houris (beautiful virgins).

Quran: (55:56-57): In them will be bashful virgins neither man nor Jinn will have touched before. Then which of the favours of your Lord will you deny?

Quran-(55:72): “Hur (beautiful, fair females) guarded in pavilions;”

Quran: (78:31): “As for the righteous, they surely triumph. Their gardens and vineyards and high-bosomed (pointed breast) virgins for companions, truly overflowing cup”

Quran-(78: 33-34):“And young full-breasted (mature) maidens of equal age, and a full cup of wine.”

Quran-(55:57-58): “Then which of the blessings of your lord will you both (jinn and men) deny? (In beauty) they are like rubies and coral”.

Quran-(56:7-40): “ …we created the houris and made them virgins, loving companions for those on the right hand….”

Quran-(55:70-77): “ In each there shall be virgins chaste and fair….dark eyed virgins sheltered in their tents whom neither man or Jinn have touched before…”

Quran-56:22: “And (there will be) Huris with wide, lovely eyes (as wives for the pious)”

Quran-(56: 35-36): “Verily , We have created them (maidens) of special creation. And made them Virgins.”

Quran- (55:56): “Wherein both will be Qasirat-ut-Tarf (chaste females restraining their glances, desiring none except their husband) with whom no man or jinni has had tamth before them.”

Quran: (2:25): “And give glad tidings to those who believe and do righteous good deeds, that for them will be Gardens under which rivers flow (Paradise)……….and they will be given these things in resemblance (i.e., in the same form but different in taste) and they shall have therein Azwajun Muhtahharatun (purified mates and wives) and that they will have abide therein forever”.

Quran47:15): “The description of Paradise which the Muttaqun have been promised (is that) in it are rivers of water the taste and smell of which are not changed, rivers of milk of which the taste never changes, rivers of wine delicious to those who drink, and rivers of clarified honey……….”

Quran-(40-45): "Surely for the God-fearing awaits a place of security gardens and vineyards and maidens with swelling (protruding) bosoms."

And i believe these goodies are for allah's slaves like you.

and as for the hadith,

TIRMZI, vol. 2 states on page 138: Every man who enters paradise shall be given 72 (seventy-two) houris; no matter at what age he had died, when he is admitted into paradise, he will become a thirty-year-old, and shall not age any further.

Al hadiths, Vol. 4, Page-172, No.34: Hozrot Ali (r.a) narrated that the Apostle of Allah said, “There is in paradise an open market wherein there will be no buying or selling, but will consist of men and women. When a man desires a beauty, at once he will have intercourse with them as desired.

So tell, me where do you hide your lies now, oh oh oh, i got it, you will explain what led to it and why, isn't it, i'm waiting to see where you will throw your point about.

I wonder what fact you want to get from a corrupted and unreliable book like the bible, the quran should give you all the answers, why are you trying to make a mess of your self in the name of allah and claim to be all-knowing and a chronic reader of the bible, as far as you know and read the bible, you never understand its meaning and purpose, but there is one fact that can not be changed. JESUS DIED, ROSE AND RESSURECTED AND HE IS ALIVE, well that is a lie according to the quran, and since you believe in the quran, tell us, let the NLers know from the quran atleast to backup your point, cos you have only throw the bait at us but unfortunately, no one was caught hooked, line and sinker, give us you answer from the quran and i will personally attend to it.
Where was he crucifiedaccording to the quran?
What time was he crucified according to the quran?
In Jerusalem or outside according to the quran?
pls let us know from the holy (horrible) quran

what has the age of ishmael got to do with all being discussed, babs you seems to be poised with finding errors in the bible. ok Ishmael's age was not declared cos it was irrelevant, if the quran specified, do let us know, so what is the point, you calculated his age and you were now trying to push what you seems to be his age to become one of your so called error in the bible, and did your bible tell you he was a baby or you just assumed, you damned slave od allah. i even wonder if you read your quran as much as you read the bible to find errors.

david, pls keep it up, and for you babs, you never stop bluffing and trying to make the truth false, you can only try but the truth will always prevail and for No2atheism, i do not have much to say to you, than, leave uncertainty for certainty, ok.

@ babs787
Ignorance is really a disease which both of you demonstrated here.

babs you seems to pre-occupied with the word ignorance when you are almost defeated or even defeated, when you have no more words to say, you simply use the word "Ignorance". and i really think you do not know what it means, what you are displaying here is defeat, short of words and defiant in acceptance of christianity to islam.

Since both of you claimed that the word means Idol, quickly check where you tried running to then:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd_(Arabic)

Whaooo, you really surprise me alot, so you can refer some one to a website to butress your point,you condemned me of going to the wbsites to back up my post. Now you have done the same thing when you are so so defeated. so you really go to other websites to prove your points in the post, oh oh i do not really know what to say than call you a coward, i am dissappionted in you. i thought you know the bible, an expertise in the quran and historian from you bunch of post. but you are just like any other muslim who seek for backups at the website. Shame on you.

Having digested that, Allah was known to be God in pagans of Arabia back then but they believed mostly in idol worshipping beside Him. Some of the major idols they worshipped are Laat, Manaat, and Uzza in which they believed were daughters of ALLAH. Allah has been known since the time of Adam but they prefer worshipping idol which they believe provide all they need.

You LIAR, you can only decieve those who do not know, go to the post (Todak, We have unfinished business here) where i have replied you. and for the sake of others, who do not know, Allah was not the true name of God in pre-islamic time, not even Adam call God Allah, Allah was the Moon-god, the chief god of mecca out of 360 gods in mecca who has three daughters, and was worshiped before muhammad was born, just like david posted, Abdullahi the father of muhammad served allah, so if you want to know more please go to the post i refer babs to.

Also, do we say the word as being seen in the bible means god?

Go back to the post (Todak, We have unfinished business here). It is because of the dominance of islam and also the ignorance that made the word allah to be used as God in the bible, which needs to be rectified.

Do we also say northern. arab christians that call Him Allah are referring to god?

Go back to the post (Todak, We have unfinished business here). Northerners(Hausas) call God, Ubangiji, allah was a borrowed and substituted word just as islam dominaterd the north.

So babs, you can decieve all, only those who do not know are those who would fall to you series of blatant lies.

I think we have here a bunch of sophisticated haters of Pastor Enoch Adejare Abeboye, cos it is uncalled for, there have been a rumour, then the truth came up, what else do you want?, please if you are jealous of his achievement, go and kill your self, cos God is not done with him, He has only been given a jet and noise has filled the air, when better and greater things begins to come, i wonder what you people will say, please let him be.

@ poster
God bless you concerning that piece of information, it has almost led to doubting of the servant of God. we need more of you in NL not jealous and haters of success

Oga, you have not been able to prove that he is a false prophet and I hate story telling without facts. I opened another so that you and I would enjoy the debate and NL would read the truth. You levelled allegation and I gave you response which you didnt read because it exposed your forgery.

Unfortunately, you did not prove me wrong, you have only been beating about the bush and trying to defend muhammad and allah

To start with, you have limited knowledge in understading the bible more than i do let alone discussing the Quran with me. I have debunked yourt lies ip and you could do better by giving me facts as to why Quran is a false book and when you do that, we will compare hmmmmmmm, Indeed, i have told you, times without number, every body reads the bible, but not all understands it contents. You read the bible does not make you have unlimited knowledge in the bible, mr. and we can talk of the quran later but do you really think it was from God, it was dictated to muhammad by allah. ok.

which is false by thetime I take you through pornographic stories in the bible, contradictions, false prophecies etc

If you are talking of the quran, i will gladly accept your offer, but if you are talking of the bible, it is the word of God, unique, powerful, unfallable,undisputable,purified,and forever can not be defiled. The bible is complete, it includes all tales of life, so do not tell me what you think of any tale of the bible, cos you have only misunderstood and misinterpreted it, and the cause for it.

You keep spewing lies. You should be bold enough to engage me. I am not interested in story telling but facts or better still, you could borrow a leaf from your brother Davidylan. I back my posts with facts and my posts speakc for me. I dont indulge in hide and seek game but always straight to business.

Indeed, i keep spewing lies cos you are unconfortable with the way i expose the evil called islam, and it is even shown from your post that if even we could confront our selves now, you would not hesitate to run your knife through me. cos allah bid you to do so. and from the look of things i see you are the liar here, cos you do not seems to know the facts about what you profese to believe. ok


Since you claimed that Allah is dead (may God forgive uoi), what do Northerns, Arab christians call God? Why do we have Allah in Arabic bible?Does that mean He is dead (May Allah forgive me) in your book as well because the same word is being used?


[b]Yes, thats where the point is, most christians do call God, allah, cos they are ignorant, the northerns (Hausa) call God, "Ubangiji", allah was a borrowed word from islam since 90% of northereners are muslims, so do not be carried away, and if even allah is mentioned as God in the Arabic bible, it was replaced cos of the dominance of islam in the arabic countries.
And i really need to educate you if you do not know, allah was the moon god and also the chief god in mecca as at when muhammad was born, there were 360 gods in mecca (kabba), and muhammad's father served allah, so when muhammad saw his devilish vision of the so called monothesim but indirectly polythesim he riddicled, he destroyed all other gods and proclaimed allah as the only god, and unfortunately for him, the moon god had three daughters, which made him at loggershead with even him own tribe the quarysh, which made him to allow the worship of the three daughters of allah-(Al-‘Uzza, al-Lat and Manah) and this led to the satanic verses, tell me how come that if allah is really God, he would tell muhammad to worship his daughters afterall it is monthesim, and for your information before islam was, the true name of God was the Tetragrammaton that is - yud heh vav heh: YHVH.
And thats why the islamic symbol is a cresent moon in reverence to allah, the moon god. So if christian do call God allah, they are only ignorant of it. ok Allah is Dead, since muhammad died, he could not even die a honourable death, a warrior prophet who was defeated by fever, a prophet, but allah should have warned him, if he were alive or could have saved him if he were god but Jesus is alive, he still save, deliever and help, it is not too late for you.
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I weep for you.

weep for me. ha ha ha ha you do not need to weep for me, but weep for muhammad and all his dead followers cos they are all gnasting their teeth right now in hell, i feel for them, cos there is no hope for them, but you do, if only you will make use of that chance.

Oga, read my post, i did justice to your post and even asked you question in which you ignored. Bring your worries and Babs would respond

Your post have zero effect on me, you could not justify my post to be wrong, you may feel you have but unfortunately you have just started and not one have been proven wrong.

I thought you would be able to reply my rejoinder but went to spew lies from a website. I thought you would be able to give it to me like I requested but not knowing that you would ran to your sites and I therefore present similar site to you to learn what your authors have been hiding from you.I would not be surprised if you turn out to be Sysuser.

You can call me names for all i care, you are only angry for not been able to prove me wrong, cos i am exposing the evil in islam.

Why are you this inclined to falsehood and treachery? You claimed that he slept with a six year old girl but couldnt see that in your post. What I saw was MARRIED TO HIM AT THE AGE OF SIX AND BETHROTHED TO HIM AT THE AGE OF NINE, why do you love lying and disgracing yourself openly?

I think you are the one posting falsehood cos your capital lettered sentence is grammatically wrong MARRIED TO HIM AT THE AGE OF SIX AND BETHROTHED TO HIM AT THE AGE OF NINE, which do usually come first, you are confused on the evil muhammad did and you are looking for every possible means to cover them up.
Now tell me what is the false hood i posted, do muhammad not married the girl at age 6, consumated the marriage at age 9, is that a good qualities of a good leader/prophet,
at the age of 6, is a girl ripe for marriage, at 9 is a girl old enough to be a mother, or where on earth have ever had that people of such calibre do such a thing, and if even you find, they on followed his footsteps. and i'm sure you that is defending his act can do the same thing. so tell me what falsehood can be found in the truth and nothing but the truthh.

According to the Western culture, an adopted son becomes an actual son. But this law does not exist in Islam.

Let us look at Noble Verses 33:4-5 "Allah has not Made for any man two hearts in his (one) body: nor has He made your wives whom ye divorce by Zihar your mothers: nor has He Made your adopted sons your sons. Such is (only) your (manner of) speech by your mouths. But Allah Tells (you) the Truth, and He Shows the (right) Way."

Zihar is the divorce done by pagan Arabs before Islam, where a man would say to his wife you are to me like my mother. The man could marry another woman, where the woman couldn't marry another man, which was very degrading to all women.

Zayd's, the Prophet's alleged "adopted son" by the haters of Islam, wife, was the one who wanted to divorce him and marry the Prophet. She was not forced into the marriage by any means. Let us look at Noble Verse 58:1 "God has indeed heard (and accepted) the statement of the woman who pleads with thee concerning her husband and carries her complaint (in prayer) to God: and God (always) hears the arguments between both sides among you: for God hears and sees (all things)."

Let us look at Noble Verse 33:37 "Behold! thou didst say to one who had received the grace of Allah and thy favour: 'Retain thou (in wedlock) thy wife, and fear Allah.' But thou didst hide in thy heart that which Allah was about to make manifest: thou didst fear the people, but it is more fitting that thou shouldst fear Allah. Then Zayd had dissolved (his marriage) with her, with the necessary (formality), we joined her in marriage to thee: In order that (in future) there may be no difficulty to the believers in (the matter) of marriage with the wives of their adopted sons, when the latter have dissolved with the necessary (formality) (their marriage) with them. And Allah's command must be fulfilled."

According to Islamic laws, where from the above Noble Verses do we see our beloved Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him marrying his daughter in law?!

Why is it that it was when this act was done that this verse came up, just to cover him, protect him from being called false, and his adopted son became rejected because he wanted to fulfill his lustful desire, and it was then he was not his son, someone who had served him and called him father, was made fatherless cos allah bid it so. do now see that allah is wicked. If you were the one in question of thestep-so, how will you feel towards the prophet, i know you feel great isn't it?

According to Noble Verses 33:4-5 above, we clearly see that an adopted son is NOT in the place of an actual son. An adopted son is a son from a stranger person. The foster father would still have to treat the adopted son with kindness and fulfill all of his needs. But the adopted son can never be an actual son.

Do you know an adopted son can really be part of a family he does not biologically belong to, do you know he can really fit in as a true child of the family, and can bring glory to that family. you are telling me that islam see thing as physically bound, they do not see the spiritual or emotional effects. and muhammad in the name of allah commited adultery and it is islamically acceptable but an adopted son is not islamically acceptable.

According to Noble Verse 33:37 above, we clearly see that Allah Almighty allowed for the Muslims to marry the former wives of their adopted sons!.

If a man called another's son "his son", it might create complications with natural and normal relationships if taken too literally. The truth is the truth and can not be altered by men's adopting "sons". "Adoption" in the technical sense is not allowed in Muslim Law. Those who have been "wives of your sons proceeding from your loins" are within the Prohibited Degrees of marriage, but this does not apply to "adopted" sons; "Prohibited to you (for marriage) are your mothers, daughters, sisters; father's sisters, mother's sisters; brother's daughters, sister's daughters; foster-mothers (who gave you suck), foster-sisters; your wives' mothers; your step-daughters under your guardianship, born of your wives to whom ye have gone in no prohibition if ye have not gone in (those who have been) wives of your sons proceeding from your loins; and two sisters in wedlock at one and the same time, except for what is past for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (The Noble Quran, 4:23)"

You know what, if muhammad had tampered with his sisters, son's wives and others you mentioned, there will be a quranic backup, but unfortunately for him none of them survived him, they all died before him, so what you are bringing up is irrelevant.

When you finish spewing jargons, could you tell in your thrash where TERRORISTS WERE MENTIONED AS INFERRED BY YOU?

Jargons, you say, angry at the truth, now tell me:
where do we have most terrorist group in the world? Arabic/Islamic countries
where do they attack most? The unbelieving countries and mostly US
what religion do they profese? Islam
What is their aim? To destroy infidels as commanded by allah
Where do they get their inspiration? From the Quran and the victorious wars of the prophet muhammad.
What is their reward? of course automatic Al-janat, where they will be in the bosom of 77 houris.
Why do they do it?Cos allah commanded them to and they also want to be in Al-janat.
So do you now see the relationship between terrorism and islam.

In case you do not know, only 5 verses talked on Houris showing that emphasis is not laid on sex.

Really, tell me, who are houris? what is their function? and also the five verses refering to houris. If you can decieve some people, count me out. ok you liar.

You may also read about a prornographic book

If it is the quran, you are welcomed, but if you are refering to the bible you have just gotten it wrong. ok

@ babs787

I came back to read and reply to your posts only for me to find that it has been locked. No thanks to your insultive drivel.
I thought you would be able to reply my rejoinder but went to spew lies from a website. I thought you would be able to give it to me like I requested but not knowing that you would ran to your sites and I therefore present similar site to you to learn what your authors have been hiding from you.
I would not be surprised if you turn out to be Sysuser.

Whaooooooo, i'm happy you opened another post right, You seems islamically driven to really prove me wrong, I may get my replies from the websites or what ever, but that does not change the fact that Muhammad is a False prophet or that he did not commit any of those atrocities mentioned and even more.heh

Do you care to tell what the bible is saying as you cannot fool me with it. I read it more than could ever think of.

And do you also care what Muhamad taught you in the name of Allah and in disguised book called Quran as you can not fool me too. You only read, but do not get the meaning or interpretation, you read but do not study.

What is your rationale for calling my creator a dead god.
Which of them, Muhammad or Allah, as for Muhamad, we both know that he is rotten, and as for allah, he is also dead

My God forgive your lost soul and I pity you because Davidylan would not be able to intercede for you on that day.
well I think this prayer is basically for you, cos Allah nor muhammad would not be there when you face God in his anger and wrath.



I have replied you, you only need to back your lies with facts which I requested for in my last post.


You kept repeating the old mistake, you need to really take a look at what i posted cos i am not moved nor satisfied with your reply, afterall all I posted was all lies.

i will get back to you soon to reply you

John
I am interested too, plz i want to know when it will be out. plz contact me at todak2000@yahoo.com

@lagosboy

Intelligence is expensive may God grant us deep intelligence.

What a pity, you always keep talking of Intelligence, i do noy think you have that intelligence, cos i have never seen you post any thing intelligently, and you use the name lagosboy, you are a fake one, probably you have never steped on the soil of lagos, you really need to be oreiented on how to post, reply post and courtsey, ok. and i think you really need that inteligence.

@babs787
I can see that you took after Davidylan, so fond of lies. What has the above got to do with Quran 5v 33? Do have it in that verse where someone is being compeled to accept Islam?

Listen to your self you seems as if you have just arrived from a very local village, though the prophet said via the quran that you people must seek for knowledge, but you now proved to me that you do not have that knowledge and you are not willing to have that knowledge,
what inspiration do you derive from it, it is clear accept or be dead, or what other explanation do you give to that verse, oh mesenger of the mesenger of allah, moreover, i did not give you v33 only, but also 34, why did you single out v33, now tell me what is the inspiration behind jihad, the inspiration is that it is allah's course,


Are you not ashamed of yourself. You lied and when challenged, you caimed that I should search myself. Why not do the needful if you are honest to yourself.

You are still new here, liitle wonder you have been posting thrash. Go read my posts and see my supporting my dscussion with full biblical and Quranic verses. If I say certain exist in the bible, I would surely provide the fact unlike you that couldnt do that since you know that you a big liar.

Give me hadith, volume and would believe you or else you remain a liar.

If you really want to debate with BABS, back you allegation with facts and BABS would oblige you.

You know what, i'm not surprise by your outburst, you can say what you like, cos it shows how islam you are, the slave you are bounded to be, the bible you claim to have read can be gotten anywhere any time you which, you can walk into the smallest bookshop and get one, so do not reprieve me with the ill mannered way you quote from the bible, heh, and if what i posted is a liar, give me what proves it to be false, like i said, it was gotten from the hadith, whether you believe or not, i do not care cos i will not, i repeat i shall not give you the hadith, volume,or even page. you God damned slave of allah. i found out that you like to call others who do not agree with you, liars, well unfortunately and unknown for you, you are association with the Father of Liars, lets face the fact, Muhammad is rotting in hell, he has no hope, bt you do, do not miss that chance. o ye slave.

@babs787
hmmmmm, you seems hit by those words, and it is one thing to read the bible and another to study and understand its meaning, everybody reads the bible, but not all understand nor study it. And if indeed you know what the bible is saying, i think you will not be tossed to the other side, cos you have moved from frying pan to fire,from being joint heir to God to become slave of one demon-god called Allah, from serving the living God to a dead god.well, i have presented my facts to bilms, go read the post and prove me wrong. you slave.

@ mantraa
ok, you only want to know, ok
i will tell you the truth and nothing but the truth, with viable explanation, so i want you to be carried along

is it really true that Mohammed married and had sex with a six year old girl? Huh

hmmm, Muhammad capitalised on the people as at then, he knew that they will do what ever he told them to do if the desgusied as a prophet, and you know prophets are honoured, respected, and what ever they say are followed to letters. I believe a leader must lead by example, the example he has layed , i what is the basis for polygamy in islam, now this is what Aisha the six year old girl, said:
Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.(Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3310

what do you have to say to that? can an ordinary man ask for the hand of a child in marriage just like that, islam is claiming it to be a betrothal, it is but is it that muhammad was sex-starved or it was lust after a young child, i need them to answer that, for more information, visit this site: www.answering-islam.org/Silas/childbrides.htm, www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina/ayesha.htm, www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/025-Muhammads-sex-life.htm. it explains better.

if it is, can a believer in Islam please explain this to me because i find this truly sickening.

they really need to expalin how a honoured prophet like muhammad became a sex manaic.


And also, taking the wife of his son in law. How can this be morally justified?

You know what, this particular one makes me laugh, cos it is the taboo of the century, the most earsore and absurd act in history, for me. it is unthinkable, Yes, Muhammad married his step-son' wife, Zainab, Muhammad told his step-son to divorce his wife because Allah to him to marry her based on the fact that he is not his son, and according to islam, adopted children are not accepted, but it became so because of that act as a backup to his deeds." Al-sabuni states, "As to Zainab Bint Jahsh, the Messenger of Allah married for no higher wisdom than to abolish the heresy of adoption (A-sabuni)." So adopting a child became an abomination, it was not so before muhammad came, but now iot became a taboo just to justify the acts of muhammad, even not all muslims knows this divine law from allah,The divine legislator willed to give the adopted son only the right of a client and co-religionist. For that reason a verse was revealed: "God did not make your adopted son as your own sons. To declare them so is your empty claim. God's word is righteous and constitutes true guidance. (Q.33: 4)." It follows from this revelation that the adopter may marry the ex-wife of his adopted son and vice-versa. Thus Muhammad married Zainab in order to provide a good example of what the All-wise legislator was seeking to establish by way of rights and privileges for adoption. In this regard God further said: "After a term of married life with her husband, We permitted you to marry her so that it may hence be legitimate and morally blameless for a believer to marry the wife of his adopted son provided that wife has already been divorced. That is God's commandment which must be fulfilled (Q.33: 37)." Who, among the Arabs, could implement this noble legislation and thereby openly repudiate the ancient traditions? The truth is, however, that Muhammad was the exemplar of obedience to God; his life was the implementation of that which he was entrusted to convey to mankind. His life constitutes the highest ideal, the perfect example, and the concrete instance of his Lord's command (M.H. Haykal, page-296-297).
Those who are Muslims and are obedient to the Qur'an will not have adopted sons.

Muhammad's marriage to Zainab, who was the wife of his adopted son, led to many accusations against Muhammad. The dissimulators said, "Muhammad prohibits the wives of the son while he himself marries the wife of his son Zaid." These incidents are not in harmony with the ethics and conventions that Muhammad introduced to mankind, as Muslims claim. Abdullah Ibn Umar narrated: "We have always called him [namely Zaid] Zaid Ibn Muhammad." Abdullah Ibn Umar said, "We only called him Zaid Ibn Muhammad till the verse "Muhammad is not the father of any of your men' was revealed."" It was revealed just after he took the wife, when he was accused, ok, lets see what one of the muslim scholars as at that time said about the incident:
Muhammad Ibn Yahya Ibn Hayyan narrated, "The Messenger of God came to Zaid Ibn Haritha's house seeking him. Perhaps the Messenger of God missed him at that time, that is why he said, 'Where is Zaid?' He went to his house seeking him and, when he did not find him, Zainab Bint Jahsh stood up to [meet] him in a housedress, but the Messenger of God turned away from her. She said, 'He is not here, Messenger of God, so please come in; my father and mother are your ransom.' The Messenger of God refused to come in. Zainab had hurried to dress herself when she heard that the Messenger of God was at her door, so she leapt in a hurry, and the Messenger of God liked her when she did that. The heart of the Prophet was filled with admiration for her He went away muttering something that was hardly understandable but for this sentence: 'Praise be to God who disposes the hearts.' When Zaid came back home, she told him that the Messenger of God came. Zaid asked, 'You asked him to come in, didn't you?' She replied, 'I bade him to, but he refused.' He said, 'Have you heard [him say] anything?' She answered, 'When he had turned away, I heard him say something that I could hardly understand. I heard him say, "Praise be to God who disposes the hearts." ' Zaid went out to the Messenger of God and said, 'O Messenger of God, I learned that you came to my house. Did you come in? O Messenger of God, my father and mother are your ransom. Perhaps you liked Zainab. I can leave her.' The Messenger of God said, 'Hold on to your wife.' Zaid said, 'O Messenger of God, I will leave her.' The Messenger of God said, 'Keep your wife.' So when Zaid left her, she finished her legal period after she had isolated herself from Zaid. While the Messenger of God was sitting and talking with `A�isha, he was taken in a trance, and when it lifted, he smiled and said, 'Who will go to Zainab to tell her that God wedded her to me from heaven?' The Messenger of God recited; 'Thus you told someone whom God had favoured and whom you yourself have favoured: "Hold on to your wife." Aisha said, 'I heard much about her beauty and, moreover, about how God wedded her from heaven, and I said, "For sure she will boast over this with us." ' Salama, the slave of the Messenger of God, hurried to tell her about that. She gave her some silver jewellery that she was wearing."

(Sura al-Ahzab Q.33: 37) Said: "We married her off to you so that there would be no objection for believers in respect to their adopted sons' wives once they have accomplished their purpose with them. God's command must be done!"

In the verse (33:37) there is stated a particular purpose for this revelation and action of Muhammad. It is not for himself, but it is for the future of the Muslim community. It is so that in future there may not be a problem if anybody (father-in-law) wants to marry the divorced wife of an adopted son. �We permitted you to marry her so that it may hence be legitimate and morally blameless for a believer to marry the wife of his adopted son.� Without adoption, there cannot be any adopted son either. Therefore, the explicitly stated reason for the revelation of this verse does not exist. Muhammad himself dissolved the original adoption of Zaid when the above revelation came. Also, it is a mystery why in the world, any father-in law will need to marry his adopted son's wife.

Now the truth of the matter is that:
Muhammad lustfully fell in love with Zainab, daughter of Jahsh, while she was the wife of Zayd bin Harithah, his own adopted son. Once, when he passed by the house of Zayd in the latter's absence, he was met by Zainab wearing clothes which exposed her beauty. Muhammad's heart was inflamed. It is reported that when his eyes fell upon her, he exclaimed, "Praise be to God who changes the hearts of men" and he repeated this expression at the time of his departure from her home. Zainab heard him say this and noticed desire in his eye. Zainab proudly reported this happening to her husband. Zayd immediately went to see the Prophet and offered to divorce his wife. Muhammad answered, "Hold to your wife and fear God." Thereafter, Zainab was no longer a docile wife and Zayd had to divorce her. Prophet Muhammad married Zainab Bint Jahsh who was his daughter-in-law. That was definitely taboo in pre-Islamic Arabia, and the Prophet of Islam lifted this taboo in order to satisfy his own lust and fulfill his own desire. They also relate that when Muhammad saw her she was half-naked, that her fine black hair was covering half of her body, and that every curve of her body was full of desire and passion. Others relate that when Muhammad opened the door of the house of Zayd the breeze played with the curtains of the room of Zainab, thus permitting Muhammad to catch a glimpse of her stretched out on her mattress in a nightgown.
On the other hand, Arab custom and tradition demanded that the adopted son inherit from his adopted father, like the latter's legitimate children. And since this custom too was the object of Muhammad's attack, his choice of Zayd as the spear point of the first reform, would actually make of him -- if he were prepared to give up the inheritance to which Arabian custom gave him title -- the spearhead of another Islamic legislation prohibiting inheritance to any but the blood heirs and relatives of the deceased. This indeed furnished the revelation: "No believer, whether man or woman, has the freedom to choose otherwise than as God and His Prophet have resolved in any given case. To do so is to disobey God and His Prophet, to err and fall into manifest misguidance (Q.33: 37)�

finally:
There is a considerable moral problem with such a self-serving revelation. It is quite clear that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was attracted to Zainab before Zaid divorced her and it might well have been the true reason for the divorce itself. And Qur'anic verses do make clear that there was something going on before Zaid divorced Zainab. The entire melodrama: Zaid's divorce of Zainab, Muhammad's marriage with Zainab and subsequent revelations of several Qur'anic Ayats from Allah to purify this scandalous happening is something to ponder very seriously. There is more in this strange story. That this action is immoral and this revelation/justification of it self-serving and not fitting for a true word of God is an important aspect, but not a contradiction within the Quran - even though contradicting the true character of God, who is moral purity. Prohibiting adoption is no way a moral action. Prohibitions of alcohol drinking, smoking, gambling, sorceries, killing, etc., could be a moral action. But why was there prohibition of adoption?

To summarize, the logical difficulty is that Allah (?) causes a scandal and then sends Gabriel to officially justify the scandalous action of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) with Qur'anic revelations is morally incorrect and too much of a coincidence.

Some after thoughts: Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) cannot get away from the culpability of this salacious behavior of his with Zainab. If he had this forthrightness in his mind, he would have vigorously fight with his conscience and not allow this marriage to go through. But the reality was quite the opposite. He had surrendered to his passion and thus had marred his "unblemished" character. If all the Muslims in the present-day world follow Muhammad's inglorious example, seduce theirs daughter-in-law, and then cause a divorce and then to add insult to the injury marry her, what would happen then? Just think the consequences. In more enlightened society if a man does what Mohammad (pbuh) did with Zainab he would be looked up as a lascivious character. Not all the Qur'anic Ayats of this world will be able to change that. To have faith is one thing, but to have a blind faith is another matter, altogether!

Is it also true that a suicide bomber is rewarded with 71 virgins in heaven? That sounds pretty disgusting and i feel sorry for the poor 'bloody' virgins. But what if it was a female suicide bomber, is she rewarded with 71 male virgins?

It is really disgusting, i only pity for the women, cos they have been used like rags over here on earth, do you think they are the virgins in heaven, well i doubt that.
Some so called modern Islamic apologists often try to fool the western infidels that Islam is a very simple religion and Islam never lures Muslims with erotic heavenly pleasures. Nothing could be furthest from the truth then this ridiculous claim of Islamists. Let’s examine very closely the facts about Islamic heaven.

If we research on the heavens of world’s five famous religions this is what we can learn: Both Judaism and Christianity talk about heaven but do not describe what is in there! Hinduism talks about heaven and give some earthly material pleasures but does not go any further. Buddhism does not believe in after-life, and do not have any hell or heaven. They believe hell and heaven exists on this earth.

But Islam emphatically describes many forms of heavens (at least 8 of them with various status/classes) with plenty of earthly greed’s and lusting/erotic pleasures which not many human beings (made of soil) can refuse to get it. Muslims devoutly pray at least five times (some pray even 10 times) a day, visit Mekka and fawns Pirs and Darbishes (Saints) just to get the ultimate ticket for those lustful happiness of heavens.

There in the heaven you will be given beautiful Houris/Gillman, wine, and plenty of foods to eat. You will stay young for ever and death, disease will never come near you again.” Folks, all those Islamic Mullahs, Maoulanas, all those Jihadis of Kashmir, Palestine, Osama-Bin-Laden’s terrorist gang, and all other gullible Muslims ardently believe just that.

Islamic Allah and Prophet Muhammad frequently promised believers of Islam with lustful heavens and erotic pleasures of various kinds which we shall encounter later in this essay. Holy Quran got hundreds of such verses, and myriad’s of Sahih Hadiths dealing Houris and wine and sex for those pious Muslims. Truth of the matter is myth (superstitions), sex and violence are the main pillars of Islam. Below are some samples of divine promises from the Merciful Allah and Compassionate Prophet of Islam.

Quranic verses (Translated by Maolana A. Yousuf Ali) that promises Heaven with Houris, Sex, and Wine for the pious Muslims:

Quran-(52:17-20): “They will recline (with ease) on thrones arranged in ranks. And We shall marry them to Huris (fair females) with wide lovely eyes.” “There they shall pass from hand to hand a (wine) cup, free from any Laghw….”

Quran: (37:40-48): …they will sit with bashful, dark-eyed virgins, as chaste as the sheltered eggs of ostriches.

Quran: (44:51-55): Yes and we shall wed them to dark-eyed houris (beautiful virgins).

Quran: (55:56-57): In them will be bashful virgins neither man nor Jinn will have touched before. Then which of the favours of your Lord will you deny?

Quran-(55:72): “Hur (beautiful, fair females) guarded in pavilions;”

Quran: (78:31): “As for the righteous, they surely triumph. Their gardens and vineyards and high-bosomed (pointed breast) virgins for companions, truly overflowing cup”

Quran-(78: 33-34):“And young full-breasted (mature) maidens of equal age, and a full cup of wine.”

Quran-(55:57-58): “Then which of the blessings of your lord will you both (jinn and men) deny? (In beauty) they are like rubies and coral”.

Quran-(56:7-40): “ …we created the houris and made them virgins, loving companions for those on the right hand….”

Quran-(55:70-77): “ In each there shall be virgins chaste and fair….dark eyed virgins sheltered in their tents whom neither man or Jinn have touched before…”

Quran-56:22: “And (there will be) Huris with wide, lovely eyes (as wives for the pious)”

Quran-(56: 35-36): “Verily , We have created them (maidens) of special creation. And made them Virgins.”

Quran- (55:56): “Wherein both will be Qasirat-ut-Tarf (chaste females restraining their glances, desiring none except their husband) with whom no man or jinni has had tamth before them.”

Quran: (2:25): “And give glad tidings to those who believe and do righteous good deeds, that for them will be Gardens under which rivers flow (Paradise)……….and they will be given these things in resemblance (i.e., in the same form but different in taste) and they shall have therein Azwajun Muhtahharatun (purified mates and wives) and that they will have abide therein forever”.

Quran47:15): “The description of Paradise which the Muttaqun have been promised (is that) in it are rivers of water the taste and smell of which are not changed, rivers of milk of which the taste never changes, rivers of wine delicious to those who drink, and rivers of clarified honey……….”

Quran-(40-45): "Surely for the God-fearing awaits a place of security gardens and vineyards and maidens with swelling (protruding) bosoms."

Now some sahi Hadiths:

The main themes of the Jihad are: if Jihadi Muslims survive the battle, they secure concubines and plenty of booty, but if they fall (die), they are sure to enter paradise full of houris, wine and living in the most luxurious environment.

TIRMZI, vol. 2 states on page 138: Every man who enters paradise shall be given 72 (seventy-two) houris; no matter at what age he had died, when he is admitted into paradise, he will become a thirty-year-old, and shall not age any further. A man in paradise shall be given virility equal to that of one hundred men.

Ghilman (Young Boys): In sura: (52:24) Allah promises to supply young diamond-sparkling beautiful boys for some inhabitants of Islamic heavens. Some deceitful western living mullahs will argue that these boys are there to serve drinks to the pious inhabitants of the heavens and not for having sex by those Beduin homosexual Jihadi Martyrs. They also will argue that Koran did not specify that these Ghilman (young boys) will be used as sex partners by Martyrs, i.e., it was not said so in the Quran. Well, Koran also did not specify what those Martyrs/pious Muslims suppose to do with the wide-eyed, firmed, swollen breast, white skinned beautiful houris! Your parent gets you married a beautiful young lady, and parents never say what you suppose to do with your wife, do they? Decietful Mullah’s logic/excuse that these Ghilman could be there as the waiters just to serve drinks and food does not sound right. I don’t think it is the purpose of supplying young boys just to be the waiters. Waiters could be adult person instead of pearl-sparkling everlasting young boys! Is not it folks?

The Sex Market of Heaven (Islamic brothel):

Allah has arranged for Pious Muslims a non-stop and non-interrupted sex in Islamic heavens because Mullahs will remain busy only with unlimited sex and wine for billions of years to come. These are rewards from the merciful Allah for killing and torturing those enemies of Allah by Mumeen Muslims.

In the Hadiths the Prophet Muhammad gave the believers a final choice of a open sex market in heaven where there will be no limit of the number of sexual partners. Women are in display like open fruit market. Hadith: Al hadiths, Vol. 4, Page-172, No.34: Hozrot Ali (r.a) narrated that the Apostle of Allah said, “There is in paradise an open market wherein there will be no buying or selling, but will consist of men and women. When a man desires a beauty, at once he will have intercourse with them as desired.

In this open sex market of heaven one can easily imagine what type of fun is going to happen there. Say one particular day of heaven—one very pious Muslim (who prayed five times a day and visited Mecca) who has been permitted to the best of Islamic heaven. There one day he decided to visit (out of curiosity) the famous sex market of heaven, and when he reached there, he found out that all his great great grandfathers, grandfather, father, brothers also were there visiting “Islamic Brothel” called heavenly sex market. Now, they all got excited by the paragon beauty of heavenly houris with very swollen breasts, dark eyes and fair skin. The great great grandfather will command all his descendents family members to feel free to enjoy the sweet taste of houris. In that case the great great grandfathers, grandfather, father, brothers—they all will start simultaneous orgy of sexual intercourse right in front of each others. Can you imagine that terrific scenery folks? Allah is really great and merciful indeed!

Now Some Descriptions of Houris:

Quran-(The Tidings: 30) The houris are ever-young women who have wide eyes, flexing glances and swelling (protruding/pointed) bosoms.

MISHKAT, (volume three Says on pages 83-97): If a houri looks down from her abode in heaven onto the earth, the whole distance (space) shall be filled with light and fragrance. A houri's face is more radiant than a mirror, and one can see one's image in her cheek. The marrow of her shins is visible to the eyes.

TIRMZI, volume two (p 35-40): A houri is a most beautiful young woman with a transparent body. The marrow of her bones is visible like the interior lines of pearls and rubies. She looks like red wine in a white glass. She is of white color, and free from the routine physical disabilities of an ordinary woman such as menstruation, menopause, urinal and offal discharge, child bearing and the related pollution. A houri is a girl of tender age, having large breasts which are round (pointed), and not inclined to dangle. Houris dwell in palaces of splendid surroundings.

Here are some incredible stuffs in heaven waiting for Mumeen Muslims.

Book by the great Imam Ghazzali: Ihya Uloom Ed-Din. The Sunnis consider this epic as next to Quran.
Volume 4,
Page-4.430

“According to Prophet Muhammad (SW) the Hurs of Paradise will be pure women—free of menstruation, urine, stool, cough and children. The Hurs will sing in Paradise on divine purity and praise—we are most beautiful Hurs and we are for the honored husbands.

Muhammad said that an inmate of Paradise will have the sexual strength of 70 men. Muhammad said, “An inmate of Paradise will have 500 Hurs, 4,000 unmarried women and 8,000 widowed women. Each of them will keep embracing him for the duration of his whole worldly life.” <

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Muhammad said, “If an inmate of Paradise will wish to have a son born to him, he will get it. It stays in womb, its weaning away from milk and its youth will come to pass at the same time.” Muhammad said, “The inmates of Paradise will be beardless and hairless. Their color will be white and their eyes painted with collyrium. They will be youth of 33 years of age. They will be sixty cubits long and seven cubits broad.”

Conclusion:

It is quite evident from the Quran and Sahih hadiths that Islamic heaven is full of lusts and earthly greed which had been formulated by Prophet Muhammad himself only to lure Arab Bedouin to join his venture of plundering, killing, rapping innocent Arab pagans and others who refused to believe his weird religion of Allah. Prophet Muhammad was extremely intelligent, cruelest, and very cunning human being indeed! He realized very well that to materialize his narcissistic dream, he needed to incite/energized Bedouin illiterate and desperately vagabond poor Arabs to unite and fight his enemy the Pagans and Jews.

He understood very well, as to, what could be the crucial objects/materials that will be most attractive to those Pagan Arabs. He knew that Arabs are inherently sex maniac and wine lovers which are historically true. In the Arab desert environment—water was another most precious commodity which no Arabs could refuse or neglect to get. Prophet Muhammad’s clever creation and wishful description of heavenly pleasures (which he also copied from other religions like Zoroastrian and Hinduism) did not miss any of the above most important and most attractive items to lure Bedouin Arabs. In fact, those poor, illiterate, Vagabond Arab Bedouin were simply mesmerized by the incredible lustful description of heavenly houries, wine, foods, and luxurious life style in the heaven.

Most important driving force behind their craze was war booties: sex with those beautiful young ladies of defeated pagans, wine, and other earthly goods which most Bedouin Arabs could not even dream in their entire life. As a result they were totally fearless fighters and wanted to die in a hurry in order to achieve those incredible heavens in the after life. This was the key factor which brought Prophet Muhammad’s victory after victory over the Arab Pagans.


Why is there so much emphasis based on the fulfilment of repressed immoral sexual fantasies?

Well it's because he claimed to be a prophet, a leader, he did not lay good examples, if he were an ordinary man, no one will remember him, but for the fact that his is the acclaimed leader of the said monothetisim, he has lead many, millions astray from God. So what has an adulterer, sex maniac, assasin has to say that worth believing, tell me. you really need to consider this.

@babs787

It pains me so much that you have fallen victim of a realistic mistake in the history of mankind, i really feel pity for you, you seems to be adamant, and the blodd fluid of the last prophet has been injected into you. You are supposed to see the light, but you rather see thick darkness, you are suppose to follow the way, but you left the way, you have bee blinded by what physical pleasure can give, which is the main aim of islam, christianity sees far above that even beyound your imagination, like tha question i asked you in this post (Question And Answer), which do you prefer to be, a slave or an heir to your father. i think you know which is the right choice only you do not want to but not that you are not willing to , only bound by the boundless and unimaginable forces of islam. sorry man, but you can still be free.
But where is your pal, bilms, oh he could not handle the infuse of the evidence i bought , so he called you to help him out, well pls tell him, i said he is a coward and a frik.

@noetic
God bless you my brother, we are only doing what God commanded we should do "Go ye into the world and preach the gospel", pls let us pray for them, so that they will change, we can only try, only God can perfect them. takkia.

@mantraa
well, i want to know which side are you, cos the way you asked me, you seems surprised and still yet not a christian, though i may be wrong, but pls i will like to know

(so strike them over the necks, and smite over all their fingers and toes.) strike them on their foreheads to tear them apart and over the necks to cut them off, and cut off their limbs, hands and feet. It was said that,

hmmmmmmm, the same Allah that ask you to strike them over thenecks, and over, tear, kill is that same most merciful. He is really merciful and the most compassionate. ok if at all during the prophet's days they were attacked, atleast that word was for action if they were attacked. Now the recent riots in nigeria where did you hear that the infidels were first attacked, no it is the other way round. you people look for excuse to satisfy your blood thirsty spirit of muhammadism or is it islam.

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2. (Koran 2:216) "Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that you hate a thing which is good for you and it may happen that you love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, you knew not."

Allah commands that Muslims lead peaceful lives and not transgress against anyone. If they are persecuted and oppressed, Allh recommends that they migrate to a more peaceful and tolerant land but if relocation is not possible, then a muslim must defend himself by fighting against oppression but if they incline towards peace, incline towards same too because Allah does not like transgressors

You have misinterpreted this verse: it is clearly stated, whether you like it or not you must fight(Warfare is ORDAINED for you), note ordained, others words are compulsory, neccessary, important, not negligable. Now Muhammad know some of you may not agree with him, he convinced them in the name of Allah, tell me what is good in war?, so if allah knows what is good for you, one of those things is war (Jihad). So now tell me what outa of peace can be measured from that. You know what? instaed of you people starting your prayer with: In the name of Allah, the most most meciful, most gracious, and bla bla bla, it should be in the name of Allah the most warlike, most destructive creator, the great deciever. yes.

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3. (Koran 69:30-37) "It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. You desire the lure of this world and Allah desires for you the hereafter and Allah is Mighty, Wise, Now enjoy what you have won as lawful and good and keep your duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is forgiving, merciful."

YOU ARE A LIAR JUST LIKE YOUR BIG BROTHER DAVIDYLAN. This is the verses that talks about JUDGEMENT DAY:
hmm, i think you are the blatant liar here, what connection had a judgement day with captives and slaughtering, it seems you do nnot know how to interprete the quran.
30. (The stern command will say): "Seize ye him, and bind ye him,
31. "And burn ye him in the Blazing Fire.

32. "Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits!

33. "This was he that would not believe in Allah Most High.

34. "And would not encourage the feeding of the indigent!

35. "So no friend hath he here this Day.

36. "Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds,

37. "Which none do eat but those in sin."

Al these are quranic jaguns you bring up to support your claim, all these are not related to killing, slaughter as commanded by the most destructive creator. not accepted.


5. (Koran 5: 33-34) "The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet and alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land.

By whom? of course Allah's slaves and yet the same quran says "there is no compulsion in religion". indeed. and

Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom; Save those who repent before ye overpower them. For know that Allah is forgiving, merciful."
unless they repent before they are overpowered by the angel who will go ahead of the fighters to create fear in to the infidels.

6. (Koran 22: 19-22) "These twain (the believers and the disbelievers) are two opponents who contend concerning their Lord. But as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out for them, boiling fluid will be poured down their heads. Whereby that which is in their bellies, and their skins too, will be melted; And for them are hooked rods of iron. Whenever, in their anguish, they would go forth from thence they are driven back therein and (it is said unto them): Taste the doom of burning."

What is your problem with the punishment in the hereafter please? Discuss with me.

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7. (Koran 76: 4) "Lo! We have prepared for disbelievers chains, yokes and a blazing fire."

Do you read your bible at all before lifting verses ignorantly? The above verses are self explanatory as it happens to refer to punishment to disbelievers like you in the hereafter


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One Hadith explains: "We desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, but at the same time we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl [coitus interruptus]. But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Messenger, and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born"

They are the basis for the terrorism today, the verses in it hold true even today and are used everyday by pious Muslims to justify their brutal and terrorist activities.

The Hadith, Volume, Chain of transmission and number please.

i won't offer that to you cos you are a chronic muslim, go make your search, i would love to but it is like challenging me on a quote in the bible and i asking you to tell me the book, chapter and verse, it un-christian of me and so will i feel about you. You are an islamic scholar and know more about it. i'm sorry i can't give that now.

@ poster
Let us face today's reality, The war in Iraq is a political war by the US, they are only trying to prove their supremeness over Iraq, so do not attribute it to chritianity. you get that. We all know the meaning of Jihad, it only depends on our understanding, abi, but the war fought by Usman Dan fodio is a Jihad isn't it? then what is the arguement about/ Jihad simply means fighting Infidels.

@ bilms

Really, now you are diverting atention to me, for telling the truth, , oh what a shame, is it that you lack what to say, or you do not know what you profess you are?. Hey, for your information, i'm not totally against islam, all i want i evidence of that true religion, or else you have to swallow your mess and accept my judgment. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha .

@ frizy
Please tell bilms to explain those who are Karfs for all to know

alimat i think you also have things to settle, so do not interfere also

@bilms
Great, I accept your challenge,
now,
state the verses of the qur'an and u will get the meaning of ur wrong translation.

As the Koran is supposed to be timeless and universal, the verses in it hold true even today and are used everyday by pious Muslims to justify their brutal and terrorist activities.

1. (Koran 8:12) "Remember Thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the believers, I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips of them."

In the above verse the great prophet of Islam, Mohammed, is giving step by step instructions on how to torture and kill the unbelievers if they don't follow Islam. He is clearly instructing Muslims to commit cold-blooded murder in the name of religion.

2. (Koran 2:216) "Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that you hate a thing which is good for you and it may happen that you love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, you knew not."

The above verse was stated by Mohammed after his first terrorist attack. He and his followers mercilessly massacred four innocent and unarmed merchants at Nakhla in 623 AD. The massacre came in January, the sacred month of Rejeb. Arabs regard this month as a sacred month, when warfare and violence is forbidden. Since this barbaric criminal act was led and sanctioned by the "great" prophet Mohammed, we can conclude that Islam's sacred activities include loot and cold-blooded murder of innocent individuals. The very beginnings of Islam are stained with the blood of innocents.

By stating the above verse, Mohammed completely absolved himself from all blame for having murdered innocents. The most insidious and devilish implication of this verse is that God is completely justifying Mohammed�s murder of the innocent Meccans. The import of this verse is that killing and violence are JUSTIFIED for Muslims, because they are doing it by divine ordinance! It is a religious duty of every Muslim to murder anyone who comes in the way of Islam. Since it is also the duty of every Muslim to ensure that the entire world is converted to Islam by force if necessary, one must directly conclude that it is the religious duty of Muslims to kill all those who are non-Muslim. This conclusion is derived directly from the supreme edict of Allah, who admonishes that even the Muslim who feels it is wrong to kill, must murder in the name of Allah, otherwise he is not a true Muslim. Over and above this, Mohammed is hypocritically implying that warfare is hateful to him, but he participated in it because God ordained it.

3. (Koran 69:30-37) "It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. You desire the lure of this world and Allah desires for you the hereafter and Allah is Mighty, Wise, Now enjoy what you have won as lawful and good and keep your duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is forgiving, merciful."

This verse is in reference to the prisoners that Mohammed held for ransom after the battle of Badr. This battle occurred on March 17, 623 AD. This is the month of Ramadan�another sacred month for the Muslims! In this battle, Mohammed and his followers killed at least 70 innocent merchants from the Quraysh tribe of Mecca and slaughtered several hundred soldiers who came forward to defend them.

Here God the "Merciful" is saying that all the non-believers deserve to be killed! In addition, God is conveniently commenting that whatever loot Mohammed has plundered is "lawful and good" because it was done in service to God. So murder, rape, plunder and destruction are all perfectly legal with the Muslim God as long as they are done in the name of Islam! Mohammed is also insidiously making himself seem very kind for having spared the lives of the prisoners, when in fact he only let them live so he could ransom their lives for more money. In today�s world this is called "taking hostages" and defines "Terrorism" of the worst kind.

4. (Koran 69:30-37) "(It will be said) Take him and fetter him and expose him to hell fire. And then insert him in a chain whereof the length is seventy cubits. Lo! he used not to believe in God the tremendous, and urged not on the feeding of the wretched. Therefore hath he no lover hear this day nor any food save filth which none but sinners eat."

The above verses from the Koran prove that Muslims are specifically instructed not to tolerate unbelievers. It directly states that people who do not believe in Mohammed and the Islamic God are to be tortured and murdered, Not only does this verse clearly implicate that unbelievers must be tortured and killed, it goes on further to state prescribed methods for committing torture. The horrific acts mentioned above are in practice even today in Islamic countries. In fact, in India, Muslims tortured the Sikh Gurus and their families exactly as prescribed by the Koran. For example, the Sikh guru Tegh Bahadur was imprisoned in a cage like a wild animal, when he refused to forsake his religion for Islam. Three of his disciples were murdered in front of his eyes. One of them was Bhai Mati Das. He was sawed alive into little pieces. The other was wrapped up in cotton and burnt alive. Bhai Dyala, the third one, was boiled alive in a cauldron. Guru Tegh Bahadur himself was brutally tortured and killed in a similar fashion. One wonders at the mercy of "The all beneficent Allah" who enjoys watching the roasted burnt flesh of hapless innocents falling off their bones.

[b]5. (Koran 5: 33-34) "The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet and alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom; Save those who repent before ye overpower them. For know that Allah is forgiving, merciful."

6. (Koran 22: 19-22) "These twain (the believers and the disbelievers) are two opponents who contend concerning their Lord. But as for those who disbelieve, garments of fire will be cut out for them, boiling fluid will be poured down their heads. Whereby that which is in their bellies, and their skins too, will be melted; And for them are hooked rods of iron. Whenever, in their anguish, they would go forth from thence they are driven back therein and (it is said unto them): Taste the doom of burning."

7. (Koran 76: 4) "Lo! We have prepared for disbelievers chains, yokes and a blazing fire."
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The above verses clearly state extreme terrorist activities, as they contain nothing but detailed recipes of horrific torture. Cutting off the hands and feet of individuals and then making them walk and jump, pouring boiling waters over their victims, making them drink it, burning them alive, inserting hot iron rods into their bodies, dismemberment and disembowelment, genital mutilation etc. are common Islamic practices.

show the hadith u got that from and u will be given the details.
Here we go

One Hadith explains: "We desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, but at the same time we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl [coitus interruptus]. But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Messenger, and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born"

can you explain what that means?


which scholars?

i no all the genuine islamic scholars, what is the name of the scholars.

we have many people claiming to be a scholar too who are hypocrits, all they do is mislead people by wrong translation of the islamic directives.

they are not muslims, but people like u that do all they could to spoil the image of islam.

so if u present a false scholars like such, u re still in the same category with such scholars.
they are not muslim, they only came close to the islamic scholar in the name of accepting islam, so that they can mislead others.

Scholars like Ibn Ishaq (A.D. 768) Tirmidhi (A.D. 892) Ulmar al-Waqidi of Medina (A.D. 822) Tabari (A.D. 929) Abd al-Malik ibn Hisham (A.D. 828) Zamakhshari (A.D.1144) Ibn Sa'd (A.D. 845) Ahmad ibn Hanbal (A.D. 855) Ibn Kathir (A.D. 1301-1372) Amr ibn Sharhabil (Caliph 717-20 AD) are all false, is that what you are telling me.


Well I shall await your reply