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hmmmmmmmmmm i have learnt today oooooooo, so islam is not one afterall as they claim, if mukina of all people could down grade such a sect in islam, then, ko so ro mo ooooooo.

If it was 400 years after the death of jesus that the new testament was produced and compiled, how can it be from jesus?

Give us the one from Jesus himself, goon

@Lagosboy
I have long concluded this, not even bothered to check the thread in like 5 days. I advise you bors after you articluate your points and arguement and your refute the response , if they still persist in moving round cycles just ignore as they will just sap the energy you could use in educating other muslims and non muslims willing to learn.

You should bow your head in shame, you are a weakling to the likes of Deedat

@Olabowale
@Todak: Let me mess wth you for a minute, about your poor knowledge of arithmetics. Math will definately be too much and complex;


Thanks hope you will face reality about the arithmetic itself.

A father spent 6 hours making soffisticated men of his two sons; on both of them, he went through orientation with them about the birds and the bees, for 2 hours. Then he spoke the older boy for 2 hours alone, about responsibility of his first born position in the family, with his siblings and his mother and stepmother. Then he called the two boys together, again and took them shopping for a complete wordrobe makeover because the older is going to study Medicine at UI, while the younger is top in his class to the final year of high school.

Seeing that he had made men out of them, he way very happy, and turned in to the master-suite, with the hope that they will be fine citizens of Nigeria.

Can you, Todak tell me how many hours he spend to make these two male children so that they can become people he is satisfiedwith? Calculate it, exactly as you have been calculating the creations of heavens and earth, from the Quran. I hope you are sincere and will not flip the script in this case. People are watching you, both muslims and others.Get on with it. Hopefully you will arrive at 8 hours out of 24 hours of that day, proving to us that the time he did not spend with them was 16 hours. People will laugh at this answer, except you can give us a palusible explanation. Of course, if you arrive at 6 hours leaving him with 18 hours to spend on other things, then you have to go back to reconcile your answer on the creation of heavens and earth.

What a good example, but they are far from the topic at hand, well, i am not good at arithmetic and so maybe you can help me out with it, but you still seems to be a biased person from the angle i viewd it.

well, from your Story, Allah was the father, right? and the two sons were the earth and probably the nourishment and mountains alike, and trying to correlate and make it parallel, it did not make a good sense to me cos

He spoke to both for 2 hours
he spoke to the older for 2 hours
And later called both, but for an unknown number of hours, and from the total you gave 6hours, so your unknown is 2hours.
What do you take me for? a fool, i may not be good in arithmetic but that does not mean i can not calculate knidergaten maths.
1. Your story is in contrast to what is on ground.
2. there was no unknow in the quran, by which it was filled by men
3. One of them should have been spoken to for four hours and leave the unknown
4. then your arithmetic will be right.
5. But then it will not correlelate the quran's claim.

I really enjopyed this topic, i was just laughing down the thread, and it got so interesting between abuzola and david, well lol. there is a purpose to everything created in life, right?, and if you agree with me, i will ask the muslims, why did GOd created animals, and to be precise why did he create Pig? if it is not for our consumption

@Abuzola
i think is high time we ignore dis worshipper of d cross bcus is obvious he doesn't know what a hadith is


hmmmmmmmm, the truth is now dawning on them that this debate is out of their control, i seeeeeeee and they got no option than to bout out, abuzola, you need to bow your head in shame, cos if DR. Zark,Deedat was like you, they would not get to that level they got. Islam is a shame to the world, indeed.


Despite providing verses that it is 6 days and vivid xplanation, u stil keep ur selfish interest, am out

And i provided a verse that claimed it was not, where is your vivid explanation for that simple calculation, babs even told me, his son would beat me to it, but himself could not let go of the islamic googles he used to view the versed, but could help in the calculation of Ishmael's age and the three days and Three night of Jesus death and ressurection. Sheer hypocrites that what ye are

Good to ignore them, but then also ignore your false debunk of the bible cos you got no point there and you know that. goon

Babs, this is very unlikely of you, why did you just debunk it and wait for the answer from the corrupt bible, it is a shame o,

@Abuzola
so were the likes of Abu sufyan, hindu, umar and many others they even ate d meat of muslims just for enmity.At last they accepted islam and died as faithful muslim, may Allah guide us amin

When knives and sword was kept at their necks to acept or be dead, what do you expect, , islam does not have the convincing power and motivation for any unbeliever/Infidel in the religion.

@Olabowale
The same me "Slave" Todak will say "Egbon or Sir" to, just because he is a "Yoruba man. Yet his Yorubaness or even my Yorubaness will not lead me to Paradise or Hellfire. What will make me to Paradise or Hell is my worship or not worship Allah as He commands in the Quran. Todak, Omo Oba, am waiting to hear from you.

Why not but it clearer for those who does not understand, your good works? when atleast it weighs 51%, you have credit to enter paradise. rubbish, "it is what comes out of a man that defileth a man, not what goes in" well, i pray it is not too late for you before it will be too late.

And by the way my late father's name is Hamzah, the same name of the Uncle of the Prophet who was killed in the Battle of Uhud, and his heart and livers were ate raw by the Pagan Makkans.

And what lesson are we learning from that, how to  waisted your life for allah or how to go on a sucide mission, which we all know thw end point, and you can guess what that endpoint  would be?  Aljanat , abi, hahahahahahahah .aljanat ko alujabar ni, sorry o, omo Hamzah, hope your father was not buchtered like that?

There have been many claims that Jesus caused the fig tree and is counted unto him as a sin, well, that is an illusion of thought, as i will clarify that now:


Cursing, involves calling upon God. Cursing is a form of prayer, it’s asking God to bring about the evil that you express in your curse. After all, God alone is the almighty, and nothing happens apart from Him. When Jesus expressed the curse that no one should eat fruit again from this tree, He was at bottom asking God to prevent fruit ever appearing on this tree again. So did Jesus do right to ask God to curse that tree? Could we do the same? Are we allowed to?

Jesus expresses a curse in our text because God Himself has cursed. It may not be otherwise; people may not call upon God to curse what God has not cursed. On the other hand, what God has cursed, we cannot reverse. For the people of God are to follow the thoughts of God.


IN CURSING THE FIG TREE JESUS PRAYS FOR GOD’S PROMISED JUDGMENT ON UNBELIEVING ISRAEL.

1. The reason for Jesus’ prayer.
2. The result of Jesus’ prayer.
3. The lesson of Jesus’ prayer.

1. The reason for Jesus’ prayer.

Jesus, we learn from vs 12, was hungry when He walked the two kilometers from Bethany to Jerusalem. He saw a fig tree in the distance, and so went to the tree to see if He could find some fruit on it. "He found nothing but leaves," says vs 13, "for it was not the season for figs." So Jesus cursed the tree: "Let no one eat fruit from you ever again" (vs 14). The following morning Jesus and the twelve retraced their steps from Bethany and Jerusalem, and see: the tree was "dried up from the roots" (vs 20). Peter was surprised at the effect Jesus’ words had; "Rabbi, look!", he says; "The fig tree which You cursed has withered away."

A number of questions immediately present themselves.

Why did Jesus curse the fig tree in the first place? Sure, there was no fruit on it. But Mark makes a special point of telling us at the end of vs 13 that "it was not the season for figs." If it’s not the season for figs, why does Jesus curse the tree for failing to produce figs?? Let’s be honest: given that it’s not the season for figs, Jesus’ prayer of curse sounds childish, impetuous, vindictive.

Why did the tree wither? We can think of many other ways in which no one would ever eat fruit from a given tree. God could make the birds eat all the ripening fruit before people could, God could make the fruit fall off before it was edible, God could prevent the fruit from setting. Why something so radical as withering?

There’s a third question. The story of the fig tree is interrupted by the account of Jesus’ actions in the temple, where He drove out the merchants and marketers. Why? Might that have any significance?

Still another question. When Peter says that the fig tree withered, Jesus replies with the topic of prayer and the promise that whatever you ask will happen – if you don’t doubt. Why? What’s the link?

It’s clear: we have to look more carefully at the entire passage.

In the previous verses when Jesus was still in Galilee He’d told His disciples that He had to go to Jerusalem, and there would be arrested, crucified, killed (Mk 8:31; 9:30f). So Jesus had slowly made His way south from Galilee to Jerusalem.

With chapter 11, Jesus has come close to Jerusalem, so close that He could organize His royal entry into the city. Astride the foal of a donkey Jesus came into the holy city while the crowds cried out their Hosannas, and declared blessed Him who came in the name of the Lord.

Then comes the words of vs 11: "And Jesus went into Jerusalem and into the temple." As you envisage the temple, brothers and sisters, what comes to mind? What ought Jesus to see as He looks around there?

According to the instruction God had given in the Old Testament, congregation, Jesus ought to expect a lot of piety in the temple. There should be people thankful for God’s blessings, and so bringing their thank-offerings to the temple. There should be people broken on account of their sins, and so bringing their sin-offerings to the temple. There should be priests officiating at the sacrifices and explaining to the people each step of the ritual – that God’s justice demanded the sinner die on account of his sin but God in mercy let the sin be transferred from the sinner to the animal and the animal be killed instead – the Gospel of Jesus Christ! That priest should be explaining to the forgiven Israelite that he has every reason to be thankful for God’s gracious mercy, and how he should show that thankfulness by a life of obedience to God. In a word: the temple should spell out how sinners are reconciled to God through Jesus’ coming sacrifice, should speak of peace with God.

But when Jesus came close –vs 11: He "went into Jerusalem and into the temple" and "looked around at all the things"- when Jesus came close, what did He see? Humble sinners coming with their sacrifices, and eager priests proclaiming to them the gospel of grace? Did He see gratitude written on people’s faces for the redemption God in mercy gave? No, beloved, no. What He saw was merchants hawking their wares, worshippers with money on their minds. In other words: instead of piety He saw a market…. The temple of God had become Wall Street, the temple of the Lord given over to the goddess Economy….

The following morning was the episode of the fig tree Jesus cursed on account of its barrenness – though it was not the season for figs. Is there a connection with the events in the temple? Here we need to pause for a moment to consider what significance God has given to the fig tree.

Fig trees were very common in Israel and throughout the Middle East. They grew a wide canopy of large leaves that gave welcome shade from the hot sun. Fig trees also bore a tasty fruit that could be gathered twice a year. So the fig tree became a symbol of peace and contentment, of God’s blessings. When the Lord describes the land He is going to give His people Israel, He says it’s a land of "vines and fig trees" (Dt 8:. Solomon’s kingdom of peace is described in the book of Kings like this: "Judah and Israel dwelt safely, each man under his vine and his fig tree" (I Kings 4:25). When the prophet Micah describes the messianic age he says that people will "beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks…. Everyone shall sit under his vine and under his fig tree" (Mic 4:3f; cf Is 2:2f). Similarly, when Zechariah prophesies of the coming of the Christ and the peace He will bring, He says: "In that day,’ says the Lord of hosts, ‘everyone will invite his neighbor under his vine and under his fig tree’" (Zech 3:10). It’s clear: the fig tree is in the Old Testament a symbol of blessing, of peace, of contentment.

Exactly for that reason, brothers and sisters, is the barren fig tree a symbol in the Old Testament of God’s curse, of disruption. In His covenant with Israel God had promised that if His people would disobey He would give disease and plague so that the trees of the field would not bear their fruit (Dt 28). In keeping with that promise, Jeremiah must say this: "I will surely consume them,’ says the Lord. ‘No grapes shall be on the vine, nor figs on the fig tree, and the leaf shall fade…’" (Jer 8:13). Through Amos the Lord says, "I blasted you with blight and mildew. When your gardens increased, your vines, your fig trees, and your olive trees, the locust devoured them…" (Amos 4:9). The fruitless fig tree is the symbol of curse.

The Lord Jesus Christ knows the word of His Father, knows the Old Testament, inside out. He has labored in Israel for three years, preaching, teaching, and working miracles in order to show that He is the promised Messiah, the fulfillment of the gospel that was to be proclaimed in the temple. But after three years of labor the response is … nil. On His way to the cross He’s come to Jerusalem, to the very city where the temple stands on Mt Zion, where the gospel of salvation is meant to be proclaimed. He comes to the temple where God’s covenant people are meant to bring their sin offerings and their thank offering – and what does He find? Fruit on His labor, the fruit His soul desires? There is no fruit; Israel is barren! There is only materialism, the goddess Economy right in the temple itself!

As Jesus walks to Jerusalem next morning He sees yonder "a fig tree having leaves" – that symbol of God’s blessing, just as the temple was the evidence of God’s blessing on Israel. But when Jesus came close and looked for fruit, there was no fruit at all – even as the temple had no fruit…. Hence Jesus’ response: "Let no one eat fruit from you ever again." Here was a prayer to God that the Lord of all the earth would curse the tree as Israel deserved to be cursed.

And No, Jesus was not too hasty in His judgment. After cursing the tree, Jesus took His disciples into the temple to show them how barren Israel really was. Vs 15: He "began to drive out those who bought and sold in the temple, and overturned the tables of the money changers and the seats of those who sold doves." And that wasn’t all; for the remainder of the day "He would not allow anyone to carry wares through the temple" (vs 16). With His mighty hand and outstretched arm the Lord put a end to trading in the temple. That is: He removed the goddess Economy from the temple of His Father. And why? With Economy no longer the driving motif of the temple, there was room again for the preaching of the Word of God. And that’s what Jesus did. Through His miracle He got the attention of the crowds, and now made it His point to teach – says vs 17. The text of His sermon was Isaiah 56:7: "My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations."

But what’s the response of the people to the opening of the Word of God? Is there an acknowledgement that God’s word has authority, that God would have the temple be characterized by prayer and not by business, by sacrifices and not by thievery? None of it. Vs 18: "the scribes and chief priests heard it and sought how they might destroy Him." That’s the official response of the temple leadership! Business before prayer, thievery before sacrifice! Jesus would show from Scripture that it ought to be different? Away, away with Him!

Do you see, how barren the temple is? It looks so desirable, with its promises of forgiveness and peace with God. But a close look reveals only decay, barrenness, sterility. And a call to repentance produces only hardening…. How very much did the temple and its leaders and its patrons deserve the judgment of God! "Let no one eat fruit from you ever again!"

I come to our second point:

2. The result of Jesus’ prayer.

And see: the following morning there was confirmation that God in heaven had heard Jesus’ prayer. For the fig tree is now all withered! In one night the almighty God of heaven and earth had so dried up a leafy, shady tree that next day there was no moisture left in it.

Yes, God answered Jesus’ prayer-of-curse. But why this way? Why should the tree whither, as opposed to its fruit never setting again?

Here, is God’s judgment on Israel’s barrenness. So barren is the temple that it has no right of existence anymore. A fig tree in the Old Testament was a symbol of blessing, of peace, of abundance – and that was due both to the fruit it bore and to the shade it gave. With its focus on business, the temple supplied no fruit, did not nourish any hungry or thirsty soul with the gospel of peace-with-God and forgiveness of sins. But it still looked attractive, and people could be deceived to come and seek shade under its leaves – only to be drawn in to the worship of the Mammon. So God destroys it altogether; so radical is His judgment. That’s the message of the withering of the tree; Israel and the temple shall whither altogether!!! That withering of the tree is God’s answer to Jesus’ prayer, and at the same time it was an announcement of doom for the temple and those who worshiped Mammon in the temple.

And we need to know, congregation, that this announcement of doom became reality in due time. Jesus understood that the temple could not last, and told His disciples so. Mark 13: when Jesus one day went out of the temple, His disciples commented on the splendors of the building. What Jesus said in reply? "Do you see these great buildings? Not one stone shall be left upon another, that shall not be thrown down" (13:2). That is: this temple would be destroyed, God’s house of prayer for all nations destroyed, withered, gone…. And it happened too. A mere one generation after the Jews crucified Jesus and rejected the Spirit of Pentecost, the armies of Rome under Titus pulled the temple to bits in the year 70 AD, and plowed up the temple mount. The point: God keeps His Word! The promise inherent in the withered fig tree came to pass!

That brings us to our third point:

3. The lesson of Jesus’ prayer.

Our text ends with the note that "His disciples heard" Jesus curse the tree. Indeed, Jesus wanted His disciples to hear His prayer about the tree, for it provided the opportunity for Jesus to give His disciples further instruction in prayer. That is why, when Peter drew Jesus’ attention to the withered tree, Jesus (says vs 22) "answered and said to [the disciples], ‘Have faith in God.'" In other words: believe God’s promises, believe that He will do as He has said He would do. The Old Testament had said that God would curse disobedience, would curse covenant breaking amongst His people; well, in the temple is disobedience and covenant breaking, and so God’s curse must follow. "Have faith in God"; trust that He will do precisely what He said He would do. As the fig tree symbolizes the peace God promised faithful Israel, so the withered fig tree symbolizes the curse God promised upon unfaithful Israel. You have seen how God answered My prayer; trust that God will answer your prayers also.

Jesus draws out His instruction with a specific example. Vs 23: "For assuredly, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, ‘Be removed and be cast into the sea,’ and does not doubt in his heart, but believes that those things he says will be done, he will have whatever he says." Which mountain? No, brothers and sisters, Jesus does not speak about any mountain. He speaks about "this mountain", and that is none other than the mountain upon which the temple stands – Mt Zion. In other words, here the word ‘mountain’ denotes the temple. That barren fig tree had dried up to its roots as a symbol of what would happen –according to God’s Old Testament ordinances- what would happen to the barren temple; it would wither, perish, be destroyed – that’s God’s promise. And because it’s God’s promise, "whoever says to this mountain, Mt Zion, the temple, ‘Be removed and be cast into the sea,’ … will have whatever he says." Utter a curse on Mt Zion, as Jesus did to the tree? Yes, says the Lord, yes you may –why?- because the Lord has promised destruction on covenant breaking – and that’s what the temple is full of!

And even as He says it, Jesus knows that the temple will harden itself in its unbelief and its apostasy. For these very scribes and chief priests who reject His preaching today, who refuse to make the temple into "a house of prayer" and insist instead that it remain "a den of thieves", will shortly crown their unbelief with the great evil of murdering the Son of God. Yet Jesus does not pray the petition of vs 23 at this time, does not pray it because He wants to go to the cross to satisfy God’s righteous anger against His people’s worship of Economy and to pay for their sin of demanding the death of the Savior foreshadowed in the temple sacrifices. Here is the love of the Savior for the unworthy; instead of asking for the destruction of the ungodly, He continues on His way to the cross!

But let it be fixed in our mind, here is suffering for the Lord too, and temptation! He could ask God to remove that mountain right away, as He’d asked God to destroy that fig tree. He could ask God to destroy the temple leaders, as God had promised; they deserve it! But He doesn’t! He doesn’t, because He intends to lay down His life for His sheep, to pay for sin. That is: He’s not going to treat these hardened covenant breakers according to what they deserve.

From the specific example of the temple, Jesus expands His instruction to His disciples to more general terms. Vs 24: "Therefore I say to you, whatever things you ask when you pray, believe that you receive them, and you will have them." Pray for good things, for blessings; pray for evil things, for curses – "whatever things you ask when you pray, believe that you receive them, and you will have them." As Jesus cursed the tree, asked God to prevent the tree from bearing fruit; as one could curse Mt Zion, ask God to dump the temple into the sea – so one can ask for anything and it will be granted.

Anything? Yes, anything. That’s what Jesus says. Yet we need to compare Scripture with Scripture, and then Jesus’ point is that we may ask God for anything God has promised us in His word. As the church confesses in Lord’s Day 45: a prayer that pleases God and is heard by Him includes that we ask God "for all that He has commanded us to pray."

Implication? We need to know what God has told us to ask for. That is: we need to know the Bible! Jesus knew from the Old Testament that God’s curse had to follow on Israel’s covenant breaking. Jesus knew from the Old Testament also what significance the fig tree had. So, in the light of the apostasy Jesus saw in the temple, He asked God to ensure that no one would ever eat fruit from it again. Jesus knew His Old Testament, and so understood the significance of God’s response to Jesus’ prayer; He knew the withered tree foreshadowed what would happen to Israel. He knew His Old Testament, and so knew too that the temple would be destroyed on account of Israel’s hardness in sin. So too the disciples, and we today: we need to know God’s promises! And then pray those promises into existence as the circumstances around us demand it.

But there’s another element to it all. Human nature so quickly and easily latches onto God’s promises, and prays them out of vindictiveness. Personal hurt gets in the way, and then we ask to fulfill His promise to punish the evildoer and behind our prayer is a desire that the one who hurt us suffer for the hurt he’s done to us. That’s an unchristian thought, and Jesus knocks it on the head right away. Vs 25 & 26:

"And whenever you stand praying, if you have anything against anyone, forgive him, that your Father in heaven may also forgive you your trespasses. But if you do not forgive, neither will your Father in heaven forgive your trespasses."

Why ask God to curse another? Because you have hard feelings against him? No, says Jesus, that is not legitimate grounds to ask God to curse another. In fact, if you have hard feelings against another, God will not forgive your trespasses and so you are worthy of God’s curse. You have hard feelings against another? Go first and forgive him; there may be no room for hard feelings, no room for asking God to curse another for personal reasons.

What reasons there can be instead to ask God to curse another? One can ask it only with a view to the other’s good, with a view to the other’s repentance. Jesus asked the Lord to curse the fig tree, and so to show the disciples what Israel deserved. Then Jesus did not sit back –like Jonah- to see what God would do; rather, Jesus went back to the temple, swept Mammon out, and preached, sought repentance from the people. And when that repentance did not come, He did not ask God to cast Mt Zion into the sea, but He instead went to the cross to lay down His life for His people – including those very people who rejected His preaching in the temple and some time later demanded His crucifixion.

Shall we then easily pray for a curse upon another? No, no! We shall do what we can to move the other to repentance. And we shall forgive, as the Lord on the cross asked His Father to forgive those who crucified Him. But where God has announced a curse on evildoers, yes, we shall ask God to fulfill that curse – but we’ll ask it very carefully, with no vindictiveness, no spite in our heart.


So in essence, there is more to the cursing of the fig tree than to it view point of some detractors of our Lord Jesus Christ, may God reward you all richly.(Amen)

@ Fellis
The two questions you asked me,
1. None
2. Since none, so no answer here.


Good, So tell me, which of them is false, and how many was twisted?


I get the feeling you see the statement I made about The Bible being corrupted as an attack.

You are not the only one that has labelled the bible corrupt, but it is generally believe in islam that the first three books God sent were corrupt, which i count as blasphemy, cos God has not done anything and it get spoilt, he sent his law, and it was corrupt, i see it as blasphemy, you are telling God he is not capable of keeping his words. yes that i sthe meaning

It isn't one, neither is the fact that it was, something I rejoice over. It saddens me, really does.

i seeeeeeeeeeee, well thats what you were made to know, but it is not, you ahve freedom to your speech

(And before you start gearing yourself for a fight, this post was not made with intention to abuse or abase but to reply what you asked).

Thanks i understand, but i notice in this section of NL that you must stand up vehemently to the faslehood proclaimed and claimed.

Why I asked you if Jesus is not the same god of the old testament in your opinion is because of all the ill you spoke of The Prophet Mohammad (SAW) because he fought jihad against oppressors. Is fighting not something that was commanded by God in your old testament?

And was Muhammad born during the law, No, he was after some centuries when Jesus was long gone, the God that sent jesus that "Love your enemy" can not change his words "strike their necks", do you see the contrast, we do not serve the same God, Mosses operated under the law, so Joshua, David, Solomon, and the rest of them and right after Jesus came, the law passed out, then from nowhere a prophet will arise and claim that that same God said otherwise, i doubt that and thats why i stand against the prophethood of muhammad and yet heis still a prophet but not of the GOd Of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob which is not Allah.

And, why, why, why for the love of peace did you decide to use those curse words? (fool, goon, ole tele alfa, am not an alfa, and yes, most of the time, I seem to be passive because I am still learning, I don't have as much knowledge as babs, olabowale etc, so I sometimes leave questions to be answered better by them.). Can you not hold a conversation with muslims without displaying the hatred you habour for them? What does your Bible teach regarding that?

well, i'm sorry about that, i am only enraged at the way you just come in, say some few disgusing things and leave which i see as cowardice. and also i see that when one refutes the likes of babs, they call you names like olodo, fool and the likes, so now i know you and what your level is concerning this matter, so from now on, i will be lenient with you,ok.

Again, why did you interprete matthew 7:21 to mean only those that are blameless, without spot or wrinkles? Do you honestly think humans can be perfect enough to be completely sinless?

That is the point, Jesus was sinless as a man, and that is a perfect example, for we christians to follow, yes, nobody is perfect, but God demnands your perfectness, holiness"Be ye holy as i'm am holy", not that you could not sin, but immediately you give your life to Jesus, you should by all mean be sinless, but that is graduall, it does not happens in a day, but you must attain such for you to get to heaven, and not good works alone. and a little sin could make you loose heaven, our God is a God of perfection. and that is why, if one claims to serve God and he is not, he will be among those that these words "get away, you unfaithful servants" will be spoken to.

What about sins committed unintentionally, or forgetfully? How did you draw that conclusion? Is it a conjecture?

Yes there are sins we commit unintentionally, and that is why we ask for forgiveness of all our sins, so that we would not fall out of the presence of God.

Thank you for your peaceful reply.

You are greatly welcomed, if you want to know more about christianity, send your questions to doyoureallyknowjesus@yahoo.com. and you can contact me through it, thanks for you humble post, may God reward you greatly, i am really impressed.

@Olaaegbu

Thanks for that, more grease to your elbow.

@Olabowale
@Todak: I wonder if you consider Moses and the many wars he led, before you tried by your above statements, to define who is a "true Prophet?"

Are we talking about Moses here, what the hell is wrong with you slaves, heh, we are talking of Jesus, you are talking of Moses, how many times do i need to tell you people, when you have any topic you want to refute, OPEN A THREAD, I PERSONALLY WILL ATTEND TO IT. CHIKENA.

The killings, of people who were Egyptians and non-Egyptians and even from Children of Israel, by your poor definition would disqualify him of any "Prophethood!"

And do you know he was yet to be called by God when that happened and was duly punished by being barnished from Egypt though he ran but could not bother to go back? so he was on his own and was yet to be a prophet. So what is that point you are holding to that does not corelate with what is at hand.

Yet, your Bible recorded that he spoke to God directly without anybody relating their voices/words to each other. This will proof you wrong, since God spoke to him throughout, from the burning bush up to his death.

I like where you took it from now my question is this? Did God talk to him, before the burning bush incident? if No, you have no point, keep the shit thinking to your self and fellow slaves

It was God, according to your claim who personally buried him in the soil. You spoke as if you were there or that the Bible gave plausible opinion or explanation of the event,

Sure, the bible did, and i will explain thus
1.Moses died in the land of Moab before the children of Israel crossed the Jordan River to go in to possess the land.

Deuteronomy 34:5 - So Moses the servant of the LORD died there in the land of Moab, according to the word of
the LORD.

2. Moses was buried by the Lord and the place of his burial was kept secret from all men. As you can see, the Bible is very clear that Moses was buried.

Deuteronomy 34:6 - And he buried him in a valley in the land of Moab, over against Bethpeor: but no man knoweth of his sepulchre unto this day.

So you see i don't give lies as you do or try to divert question as you and babs do

yet you contracdicted yourself with your writing above that raised doubts about his Prophetic office!

Doubt about whose prophetic office? Moses was a man of God, that does not mean he does not have his short comings before GOd began to use him, aeven after he became a man of God, there was only one sin recorded against him, he disregarded God in the assembly of the Israelites and was punished not to reach the promise land. Where is the contradiction?

Did you forget that he was given a book know as the Old Testament, which Jesus your lord (a statement of your own but not that of Jesus) did not come to abolish but Fulflled/used it to conduct his own life.

Then show me the statement of Jesus the true one, is it not injil or what do you people call it, if you fail to, well, you will have no option that to accept that false words.

Did you for get about father Abraham and his war? At least one while returning from it, Melchezedek king of Salem prayed for him? What about King David who you attach your god Jesus as his son? Or what about Solomon the wise who God gave all kinds of special preveleges, that Jesus did not have?

Good comparation but an unwise one, now help me to calculate how many wars each of them fought and also the intent of the war and the reason of the wars, amd moreover muhammad fought all those wars of his own intuition , or did he hear allah speak to him? was it not an angel that was speakng the quran and he memorised and dictated it to his subordinates, chech out, all the wars that was fought without God's approval was at their disadvantages, . Also you have also prove your stupidity to answer questions, moses and the rest were followers of the Law and the old testament, so what has the ways of Muhammad compared to them, or was muhammad born during the Law, for where, what is the relationship between an israel and Ishmaelites, absolutely nothing except for fatherhood but not by God's promise to Abraham

Or did Jesus understood the languages of animals and able to dialogue with them? Or did he have authority over the genies or the winds, and able to control them, while Solomon did?

Look at you, one who by him all things including you were created, would not understands animals, you are quite funny, he understands the mminds of men, (higher animals), is iot the smaller ones that will give him problems, absolutely no, he only had no cause to but that does not mean he couldn't, he is all powerfu;, a mighty GOD
Well, do you know it is only during the era of islam that the word jinnies begin to spread, and there are not good spirits, also it is only the quran that have the record of jinnes and the cooked-up story of solomon controlling jinnes, why did other prophets not control jinnes too?

Even under Solomon, the nations of the children of Israel remain a single entity. Not too many Children of Israel believed in Jesus or his authority, hence their nations remained divided to Judea and Israel. They did not believe him even to be a prophet, the very reason they did not follow him, then, and now, they have not changed their collective tune about him.

Yes and that is because of their mentality, they were expecting someone who would liberate them from the powers ruling the world then (Romans), but Jesus came for something more important, their salvation, and nothing more, it was generalized that they did not believe because their heads and leaders did not and what do you expect, you would agree when he preaches, multitudes comes to listen to him, so the masses did but their leaders did not and the that report would not change. and thats was what gave Paul the confidence to persecute the christians before he was saved.

God did not say that He will condemn Solomon to the fire because of the 700 wives and 300 concubines.

What gave you that impression that he is condermed or not, it is only God that can tell, except if it is in the quran that he was condermed to hell. God is not a follower of works or eye-services, God specifically warned the Israelites not to inter marry with other pagan nations, but he did not hearken and when he grew old, his heart was turn away from God, so you want God to turned his back on him. but the bible did not record that he was condermed to hell, you have only said your opinion.

I asked you to give a single name of Allah's messenger (AS) concubine or sexual slave, you gave the Jewish girl from the nobility of Khaibar. You forgot that she wore a nikab when she came out, the very sign that she was a wife and already married to the prophet!

And is she the only one i mentioned, meet me at the post, you should have thread manners, you lack them,

I wonder if you know that Allah is Sufficient on the affairs of Muhammad. It is Allah alone that is the Witness, the same sufficient Witness for the marriage of Adam and Eve!

Yes ofcourse, allah is sufficient on the affairs of muhammad ans slaves alike, but not for Adam and eve,ok cos he was not their creator. the word allah was not found in christianity or even judaism which are the foundations of islam. it was only know as a pagan god whom abullahi served.

By the way it is Muhammad's life that I emulate. This is why I am a father, a husband, a son, a brother, a nephew, an uncle, a cousin, a friend and a good neighbor among other identifications.

You have not completed it, a serial killer in holy wars, an adulterer in the name polygamy, pedophile, a law breaker,a sinner, and many other acts of muhammad, right?

And please tell me the sin of Muhammad.

I believe you saw my post (jesus vs muhammad , ) , check right there and you will see his numerous sins with quranic references. even pleading to allah to forgive him. a prolific sinner he was.

Just one. I wonder if killing an innocent tree will not qualify as a sin, or the unforgiving spirit towards a thief who spoke out of ignorance, or frustration because he was about to be crucified?

wonderful!!!!!!!!!, well good, but i will not answer you here but i will open athread now concerning it, and i will name it, (The spiritual meaning of the cursed fig tree) check it out in the religious section. it is a christian thread,ok.
Now concerning the thief on the left hand of Jesus? Jesus was not angry at him, you were only looking at the grammatical structure or trying to view it that way coc of your perversed thinking, He was even the one that spoke harshly to Jesus, Jesus did not reply him, it was the other thief, that did, then Jesus later spoke and he refered ton the thief on the right hand, that he will be with him in paradise. no from that, we can see clearly that that thief on the left, justified his sins, whicle the other thief was remosed, ina law court, leniency is permissible and possible when the offender or convict admitt to his offences, so what was the sin that Jesus committed there, did Jesus replied him ? this are the biblical references:
Luke 23:39-43
39And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us.

40[b]But the other answering rebuked him[/b], saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?

41And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.

42And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.

43And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.

do not bring baseless acusation here again. ok

I will wait until you speak about "Satan" before I touch up on the 3 Satantic temptaions. I wonder if Yahweh/Jehovah did not kill through the hands of Biblical Prophets, ever? Maybe the Jewish God is no God then? Yet, the Christians go back to find their 3 in 1 from the Jewish prophetic eras!

Bring them up in new thead and let me tackle it for you, now hiding your false accusations under other threads,ok.

@OLaadegbu: Arent you tired of the old/archaic and useless arguments from those wretched websites?

Please read Quran Chapter 39 (AzZumar) and then go to Quran 43; 81/88, you can also read 43; 57 to 67. This portion talks about Jesus as a Prophet and not son of God, because Allah is above all that you attach to Him.


And that is from the quran, and the same quran told us of the sins, waekness and evils of muhammad, and i will still ask again, who is a better prophet?

@ snwanduv

It was customary for Early Christians also prayed towards "East" (Jerusalem) so did the Jews. It started with the Jewish religion which of course influenced the other 2.

And where did you get your facts from, i will like to know more about that, and the infection to islam

@Olabowale
Muslims dont pray towards the east or west or north or south. Rather Muslims pray toward Kaaba; their Qiblah dear to the heart of Muhammad (AS) by Allah's design.

[/color]May i ask why?

Proof of this structure as the structure that Muslim must pray towards, you have to see what people are doing in the Mosque which hused this structure the Kaaba.Everyone in that Mosque, Haram prays facing this structure. Everyone in larger Makka Metropolitan prays towards the Mosque in the process of praying towards Kaaba. Everyone in Surrounding towns and cities and villages prays facing Makka. Everyone in that region and worldwide prays towards the general direction of Makka, hence Masjid Haram, hence specifically Kaaba.

[color=#000099]There must be a specific hidden agena to this, since allah is not a pagan god, why then an insruction to prya towards kabba, just like that, at least one should be free to pray towards any palce, i feel, but then explain in details, olabowale

If you are on the west side of Saudi Arabia, Makka, Masjid Haram, Kaaba, you face the east. If you are in the East, you face the West, if you are in the North, you face South, if you are in South, you face North, whereever you are you face that structure; Kaaba.

Something must really be cooking, this is driving the whole thing to paganism, so if I pray to allah facing the west of kabba, my prayer woul not be answered?, allah can not give such instruction with out a good reason to that, olabowale help with it

Adam faced it; the soil and site existed beoire him. Noah faced it. So did Ibrahim who rebuilt it, after the flood of Noah with the help of his son Ismail. Ibrahim still has a station where two Rakah are made by those who make hajj and umrah.


You have started with your fruitless lies, heh, show me in the quran all you have mention, where they faced and bowed to allah, do not qoute an hadith for me,

@Abuzola
I won't argue much here because d readers are not fools, they can judge it,

hahahahahaha you are stock, the readers are not fools, i quite agree, so they can not only judge but also make the proper choice in marriage.


Mark 10:7-8 ,,, A man shall leave his parent and be joined to his wife, d two shall bcom one

So any problem with that, did it say wives. la oju e omo eru

Now todak u leave ur parent and marry, ofcourse it must be one wife u are marrying, is not possible to marry two at once

you see, you just qouted one wife and now two at a time, well, i no blame you, na the girl wey be say na NWAKO (still despirating seaching) that makes your mouth slippery like okro. and that was what prompted bilms to rubbish and show their despiration, what a pity, bo ya na by force to marry.

To get two there must be one, a journey of a thousand mile begin with a step, so shall it be

Why are you searching for the second wife in the first place,? well, do not tell be cos its allah's will, give me other reasons. ok

Only allah know what has happened to babs and the likes, they just have suddenly become cold of late, simple question requiring YES or NO with quranic and hadithal references, mute they will be except to rant back question for question, slaves of muhammad

In the past 25 post there have been no answer, babs give it a trial, and also where is Imam Olabowale, to give us a sweet mouhed imamic answer.

What a waist of time, is that the answer to my question babs, and the rest of you slaves, give me quranic references, you people are only waisting your time here if you did not give me the back up i asked,

and as for you littleb, you quoted matt 24:24 to counter, well, one of the false prophets it was refering to was Muhammad, and some false pastors we see today.

and as for Uplawal
the bible says "woe onto him that layeth hand on a work and look back", you have looked back, it will be worse for those who know him and turn back. you may ahve oyur personal reason, but you have forgotten, that "Looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of your faith". when you leave him, you are giving the devil chance to take over. i paray God will open your eyes to see and know what the truth is.jesus said "i am the way, the truth, and the life, no one comes to the father, except by me"

There are some things i want to chip in here
1. There can't be two truths?, surely one but be false
2. You can't fight for God, except if he is not God,
3. A God who ask to kill can not be a God that Loves
4. Any man of good calibre of such post of prophethood will and should not abuse the office or take advantage of the
trust of the people
5. A prophet of honour will live an examplary life worthy of emulation
6. A Prophet should at all cost avoid sin.
7. The truth speak for itself, it need no defender or proclaimer

Bas why did you learn to use answer to answer questions thats very unlikely of you. well, it is in the bible , and i will give it to you when you fully answer that question, i am also interested. so hurry

Story Story Story yeah, sang P square, this is story telling, the acts and dids of muhammad is exnough to debunke all these junk of words. so tell these to the birds. or probaly slaves like you,

@babs
@Tudor,u have turned yourself to a clown. I saw the thread but want you to help me ask your brethren Todak a question and when he does that, I would come in with more Quranic and Biblical verses coupled with explanations. I read in the biblical verses,statement that are not Jesus'.You know christians say Jesus is God,help me ask Todak if God Jesus is also God of the Old Testament? Thanks and looking forward to reading from your brother Todak and I would come in to attend to his post.


Look at you, you look short of words ever since the creation saga, that force that drive words out of your mouth has slowed down, well, if you have any problem, open a new thread, and i will attend to it, ok, but here help me out, lets hear your opinion after all i qouted were basically from the books.

@Littleb
Just lower your emotion, the argument is very easy for muslims to debate coz they belief both in Jesus and Muhammad. Analogically, in the court of law, between plaintiff and defendant, there are always witnesses. Here now, there are Bible and Quran. I wish my good brother @todak should not go out of the scope in order to expose liars. More copy is expected of him from your usual sources.

Who are the witnesses? if you believe in jesus as claimed you will believe in all he said, and like i have given? did i post any false there? you can reprove rather that beating about the bush, are they lies? slave

our presentation is just a repetition of what has been discussed over and over before you came on NL.

Hmmm i see, well i challenge you to recall all you wrote there to convince, confuse and hold the prophet in esteem

The fact you want this conversation mainly from Bible and Quran will even make it a failure coz it will vigorously expose how corrupted the bible is

we shall see, well i shall use your words against you i promise,

with all insults to God's prophets even Jesus that you projected here as your god.

Is your mouth rashing you about that Jesus is God? do you have any problem with that, open a new thread, i will come to the resque. tell me Which of them is not born of man?

Moreover, from your arguement point of view, it clearly evidenced that you are not a good researcher of the truth, rather a plagiarizer of others job non objectively

hmmmm, go on. good researcher

. I mean, you colud have scrutinize your write up to free of falacies which have been debunked by several muslim scholars with many evidence from Quran and Hadiths. I believe you will still go back to the source to re-equiped your writes up rather than just copy and paste information.

Then help me with those falacies that have been debunked, just like the creation saga right, where great orator where short of words and went into shock, which was even eminent in their post. sorry o, help me with them

First, jesus in Islam is a well respected prophet and messanger of Allah sent to Isrealite. His miraculous birth is admittedly similar to that of prophet Adam created from just ordinary dust(Qr3:59).

Really, if you really believe in Jesus, you would believe all he said, he said "I and my father are one" do you believe that? Gbruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu no, in islam he is just a figurehead, a mere mortal is regarded,

"The similitude of Jesus before Allah (God) is that of Adam; He created him from dust then said to him: 'Be', and he was."

Before Adam was Jesus was, take this John 1:1 "In the beginning was the word (Jesus), and the word (Jesus) was with God, and the word was God (Jesus)"

Moreover, Jesus performs miracles right from childhood according to the Quran coz he spoken while he was still a craddle. So, since the Quran was brought to us through prophet Muhammad and Jesus and his mother was highly placed, treated with so much respect than what you have in the bible.

Which miracle did muhammad did, and that is what prompt the question, who is superior from what you have said or who is a better prophet. here. goon

If we agree to rule out the possibility of Muhammad not a prophet, confirm by your first statement; "claimed to be" then the next logical conclussion will clearly shows that Muhammad and Jesus will actually be true friend if both of them are to be alive today.

thats funny to say, tell me what similarity is between them, help me with the contrast, is there no difference? cos i doubt the possibility of friendship?

Then, the arguement will remains either with you or the corrupted words of the bible.

You say

Logically, a typical muslim will be a friend to Jesus and Muhammad coz he believe in both of them.

that is the story you all tell, you all do not know who Jesus is cos if you know, you will not regard, that crook above him, yes,

I personaly believes in Jesus and Muhammad and sometimes I dressed like them, even my wife and my sisters always dress like Jesus' mother.

And how did you know the way they dress? from the quran

Have you ever read a chapter of the Quran known as Maryam, dedicated to mother of Jesus.

That was also missed with the sister of Moses, which should we accept, the plagarized bible you people carry about, talking about mary and later inducing maryam the sister of Moses. nawaoooooooo

If Muhammad is Jesus enemy or he brought a different message, dont you think he would have named it after his mother

You can ask him in hell, but tell me why did he not but i guess, it was named by his pagan God as Quran

. If you claimed to believe in Jesus as your god which he never claimed to be,

Which the quran refuse to tell about his diety, cos if the quran says so, then islam is doomed and you know the devil is cunny, when he see that the people sees the light, he come as angel of light to divert and thats what islam is, a divertion.

I believe reverse will be the case on the day of judgement because he will never look at your side.

Will he look at you hahahahahaha, what do you know about the judgement day, when you will face his panel of judges, you will weep and not even your allah, or muhammad will come your resque

Now, examine the ploy of your arguement proves extremely feeble to muslims, because, it claimed one to be superior to another. It is unacceptible for muslims to either chose between Muhammad or Jesus because both are inspired by God and religiously you shouldn't distinguish between them.

Then why is it only muhammad that is mentioned in all the things you all do, prayer, war, bathing and the rest, and you believe in all the prophets, it is only sweet mouthed to say but not in action or what you people do.

Allah says:

We have sent you (Muhammad) inspiration, as We sent it to Noah and the Messengers after him: we sent inspiration to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes, to Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon, and to David We gave the Psalms. Of some apostles We have already told you the story; of others We have not;- and to Moses Allah spoke direct;- Qr 4:163-164


And tell me, which of all these prophets are Ishmaellites except or muhammad, photocopying of the bible, haba, are you people not ashamed, where did muhammad get his insipration from, certainly not the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob

Analysis of your claim is baseless

What you are saying indirectly that The quran is baseless, point one, that it is false, and if the sultan hears this, your tongue or oh oh oh it is your hand that commited the sin, will be sivered from you according to the shameless(Sharia) law, but come to think of it it is what your heart dictate to you that you write, so it is you life that will give way, you rightly know that i quoted from the quran

which means you will still copy more information from your source to have a point because there are still more for you to copy or otherwise engage with us(muslims) in rational conversation to share what you and I believe.

What gives you that impression?

Admittedly Muhammad is a prophet,

For more clarification, a prophet of doom, from the pit of hell are you ok by that, do not proclaim a fatwa on me, cos i have the right to say what i want, this is not an islamic country, we practse democracy here!!!

will the arguement not save to be rationally base on what you claimed jesus is, either you accept him as a god or son of God or a prophet considering he possessed the qualities you mentioned:


Tell me why should it be rational, after all all i qouted was from the quran and the corrupt bible, abi, was the quran i used a fake one. or it is not so in your own quran, is was there a falsehood, well, it pointa to your quran

Quote
Jesus – The Son of God
Jesus – Knows the thoughts of men
Jesus – Our Advocate with the Father
Jesus – Performed miracles
Jesus – Taught forgiveness
Jesus – Was sinless
Jesus – Healed the blind
Jesus – One with the Father
Jesus – Taught monogamy
Jesus – Came to save lives
Jesus – Cast out demons
Jesus – Satan had NO influence over Jesus
Jesus – Read the Word of God
Jesus – Taught Marriage was binding and against divorce
Jesus – Called people to come to Him
Jesus – People are free to accept Jesus’ message or not
Jesus – Is the life and His follower will live

Well you did not complete the whole summarry, let me help you,
while muhammad is the slave of allah
Muhammad know nothing and he is an illeterate, and can never knoe the mind of men
He can not perform a miracle, cos i have not been given a precise miralce of prominent with quranic verses
He taught how to kill
Was a Sinner and often ask allah to foegive after breaking the law he lays down
He never healed any one, but even died of fever
He is no god
Taugh polygamy and polyandry
Destroyed many lives
Could not even cast the demon of allah that torment him when he was yet to yield the call of allah and when allahwant to speak to him especially in the cave
THe devil was the chief controller, even to the so called satanic verses
was told about the bible and he did an indirect duplicate of it in the name of quran
Even had unkknow numbers of wives that are yet to be ascertain, and 100% stood for divorce
He used jihad to increase adherent
Death await anyone that reject islam, and worse still leave islam, insult upon injury, may God save us
HIs followers will be jugded by the good work they do, even if 51% above, aljanat is sure, and they would enjoy the maidens at paradise.

@ fellis
Babs no mind todak. Is their claim not; Jesus=God=God of the old testament?

U are always passive, ole tele alfa. and if that is my claim, do you have any problem with that?

Almost all your points about Muhammad(S.A.w.) are false, the points that are not false were twisted and made to look like something entirely else. And the fact that your Bible has been so severely adulterated does little to support the 'facts' you drew from it.


I like your challenge, you are the only one in this post that want to refute me, you are welcome, mr. fellis, now, let me ask you these questions

1 Which of the quranic verses is false?
2. Are you saying that those verses were mistakes or not well qouted?
3. Explain your self better, cos you can not just drop a word and leave back it up. ok.

I appeciate your courage, heh, lets see how far you can go, even the fierciest of you bowed after our last converstaion. i mean babs,

@olabowale
And in Surah Taubah, Allah expresses Muhammad to be "mercy and forgiveness" to mankind. Read it. This is statement of Al Rahman. Further, you will find in many verses of the Quran where Allah confirms Muhammad (AS) as the one sent to "all mankind" and Allah says He is enough as a Witness. And in Surah Saffat, verse 6 expresses that Jesus was sent to "confirm or reaffirm" authentic taurah, bringing back the people to it. No wonder he said that he did not come to destroy or abolish the Prophets and their Laws and rules (Taurah and sabur). Further you will see in that verse from the Quran where Jesus other duty was to announce the coming of the Prophet known as Ahmad; means of comfort or reassurance. I guess that means "Comforter."


What!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you are a fool for saying that. you gues or what did you say, i repeat you are a fool, how can you guess, is this a guessing matter?, and you are a good muslim you say, go and search for the meaning of ahmad, and was that said in the quran cos you are only trying to make it parallel to the bible, you guesser, the bible say, he would send the comforter not ahmad, olodo, that is who the twist the bible and later they it is corrupt, foolish slaves of allah, all i have qouted is from the quran, you can't despute that, do not come here and give uus your guessed and incorrect interpretation. wait tell me why do yyou quote and try to make things that are not in the bible to be, cos the quran got no convincing power, sheooooooo, leave the corrupt bible for all that concerns Jesus, you can quote all for the Quran, the quran never spoke bad about Jesus, but do not never qoute any thing realting muhammad to the bible, where, who is he? a doom prophet, and is muhammad a comforter, or do you not know the meaning of comforter? plz quot all that concerns muhammad from the quran, not from the bible cos there is absolute no corelation, the name, his decription and all that looks like him, never found in the bible except for false prophets Jesus warned us of.

And Jesus saying that it is "as you said" did not address the question as clearly as anyone may hope, when he was asked. It demanded a "YES" or "NO" answer, since he was put under oath. Please we are not dealing in ambiguity here, considering the over whelming evidences from the Taurah that God; Yahweh/Jehovah/Eloi (Allah) from the Old Israeli Prophets, starting from Israel himself; Jacob to Zachariah and son John that there is always no son or children for the "completely Independent and Unique Creator" .

And from Jesus, we have abundant verses from the Injil that go against your mishmmash conclusion of "son of God!"

Hope you will qoute from the unique and intact injil and not the gosple we carry in the bible, help me with the injil that go against it.

Jesus called himself man, son of man (Mary in this case since she is the only carry for "man" here, prophet and Messiah to his people only, since he limited his mission to his own people.

And do you know why, cos he was in flesh, and as flesh he is a man, a mere man, but not the mere man you see you people claim he is, he is the Son of the Most high, God himself. hit your head on the wall, cos i said he is God, and he is God, even when he had told no one, he asked his disciples, what do you say i am, and Peter answered ans said, "You are the son of God", so once again hit your self on the wall. cos you people feel angry at such words,

I wonder if a God will run for his life to Egypt as a youth under the authority of his mother and "fake step father; since you still refer to Mary as virgin." (A virgin is a person who never voluntarity have sexual intercourse with a man.

And from your defination of a virgin, was Jesus the product of his "fake step father" and mary, olodo, like a roman saying"when you are in rome, you behave as a roman", that is what happened, Jesus came to the world and came as a man, and does that change his personality. A black who is an american citizen, i american by law, by by nature, is and will always be black African. Obama is an American, good, but where is his true land Africa, Jesus was with his father, he came to save the world, and he had to take the form of man for his mission to be accomplished, tell me, why was he the only prophet to suffer so much humilation, and such kind of death, though you people refuse to acknowledge that Jesus was killed and he ressurected.

The presence of hymen is irrelevant, since it could be broken through exercises/ or reattached; ask Dr. Nwando), or as an adult? Couldn't he have been able to just make it impossible for those after his life to get it, since he "is" God? Or does God have just one life, like us humans, His creation? If God dies who takes care of the earth and heavens and all things?

You talk like a fool, if you follow what is above, you will see the essence why he came to the earth, without blood there is no remmission of sin, and God does not accept impure blood or blood that is not holy, and he is tired of the blood of lamb and sheep brought to him every year for the remmission of sin, he there want it to be done once and for all, and that is why Jesus came, and when he ressurected, he alone did, why cos his mission is accomplished

By the way I intentionally leave the raising of death that he performed, just one time as a way for you to come back, whereby I shall ask you if he was truly capable more than the one time as a sign,

If the need arise, surely he is, but what he came to do is for once and for all, do you see any one going to the temple to sacrifice, no cos it is done once and for all

why didn't the community swamp him with their deads

You can go to Israel and ask them, since Jesus is capable, why did they not ask him to raise all their dead? i'm really weakened by your foolish talks,

and why anyone remained in the cementary during his time?

Jesus is not a magician, he is not a show man, he was no mere man, and all he did was was according to the instruction of his Father, whom he is one with. Tell me, how many sick people did muhammad gave first aid talk more of raising the dead? far from both

And why did the only person he raised not remain, still on earth and why didn't he make people to die, enmasse?

Who told you it was only one person he raised? well, nevertheless, the only person you know he raised and all others was to glorify God, and not for show like i said earlier, it is only a magician that performs for credit, Jesus was not looking for credit. and the person could not remain cos he was mortal, a mere man, but Jesus was not.


I wonder why when asked about "the time of the hour", Jesus didn't have an answer? Even when the very important though of men was made audible to him, he declared that the "time of the hour" is only known to "God." Todak what are you talking about here. The mind reader was not able to give the answer to a burning question that was asked aloud?


And did he not give a clue to the time of the hour, and even if he tell, no one will work as they ought to cos they will be waiting for the time of the hour, and morever are you blind, did i say he knows the mind of God?, olodo egbe like you



One may just be wasting time answering your questions, since you know from the Bible that Jesus said that not all "those who calls me lord" will enter heaven. I wonder if you don't know that only the Christians call Jesus "lord?"

You are still a fool for that, you rightly said "not all those that colls me Lord" does that implies all, "not all" is not all, you islamic sense of reason has blocked the medula oblongata from reading the correct and giving it a simple meaningful english interpretation. Here it is saying that not all that serve him will get to heaven, why, cos not all is fully obedient to him {note the word FULLY} do not let your eyes decieve you. so those who are christians that still sins and didobey him can not get to heaven, cos for you to get to heaven, you must be holy, concreated, sanctified, blameless, without spot or wrinkles and have the friuts and gifts of the Holy spirit.

Therefore your advocacy is really like a non-advocate. The rule for any advocate applies to those who worship God as the specific advocate worshipped.

Where did you get that law, your own formualted or from the principles of law, i rightly disagree with you. do you know the meaning of an advocate? it also means a mediator, in the Law court, they are called Solicitors, Someone whom on your behalf pleads to someone greater for mercy and leniency over you. and in that case, you are the offender, and from my earlier writing, you will see that Jesus is the mediator, advocator, and solicitor, between, we and God, cos If there is not blood there is no remission of sin.

Now do you worship God as Jesus did; prostrating your face after you have performed cleanliness with water (note that Jesus washed up his face, arms, etc, preparing for daily prayers).


Where did you find that, probably from the quran right? but not in the bible, and concerning the washing of hands and leg was the old time tradition of the Israelites, the bible recorded that when abraham saw the three angel, he bowed down calling them "my Lord", and later gave them water to wash their feet. and also a tradtion of all arabs, cos their land is a dusty type, so that is tradition, not a religious obligation of worshiping allah, and moreover, all diety are reverenced by bowing doen, so that is baseless and unacceptable,

I also read in the Bible that some of the people will tell Jesus that they performed miracles in his name, yet he will not do anything about their fate, when they are being led to "lake of fire." What do you think about this; really an advocate you said.

Cos they were not obedient, they may do all that you say but not saved themselves that was why paul said"Take heed, lest you fall", he said, i preach the gospel, i must not forget myself too, i must obey and follow what i preach. and also there are many people in christiandom that does not know what it takes to be a christian, they are the type of people Jesus was refering to.

Muhammad (AS) has been "guaranteed" shefa "intercession". Read Surah Mariam and the hadith about the day of Judgement. You need to wake up, my dear brother.

hmmmmm, and who will grant him that? listen and listen good, it is worse for him than you why cos woe unto him that causeh his brother to fall from the grace of God, he has led millions of the world today away from the Gospel of Christ, he is presently gnashing his teeth in hell. it is not too late for you


@babs
I am here but waiting to read Todak's response to my question. I prepared his answers but held on. The reason for that is, if he claim Jesus is still God of the OT, then his analysis is very wrong and wouldnt be needing any response but if he claims that Jesus is not God of the OT, then I would come in with detailed response with verses to expose his post.

Expose my post first and then lets talk, i need you to come back to your vibracy, ok. But if this will keep u abay, i do not mind, at any post i will always say it. JESUS IS GOD and nothing can change that, muhammad has tried to change it but has failed.

Help me beg him to answer. Grin Grin
And i have , we are all waiting for you

My friend Tudor,Todaks needs no answer as all he wrote couldnt have been true because if jesus is God,you wouldnt need to read all the chapters in OT before knowing that all he posted couldnt have been for God Jesus

You can not see with the islamic googles on your eyes, Jesus was not revealed in the Old testament, and it was after he was revealed, we have the new testament and that was when, the curtain seperating the holy of holiest was torn apart immediately. which menas we now have access to the throne of mercy pleading with the blood of Jesus to atone for our sins.

Babs you can't frustrate me, i have given the quranic verses and all its contradiction and you have failed blatantly, you want to recycle the wole thing, you can go back to the start of the thread,ok.

Widows shall wait four months and ten days for re-marriage, 2:234

This verse above wasn't revealed by then, therefore is not a duty/burden on muslim till it was revealed
Baqarah is a madina surah take note


So muhammad did that before the law was right, hmmm, is this all you could gather from your imam or where did you get it from. tell, them it is not convincing, a law is a law and must not be broken, Muhammad was a bove the law, and thats what he proved, the LAW BREAKER,he is

@Olabowale
If you could answer Abuzola's question about more than 1 wife from the Bible with the above, I wonder how you come about 3 partnerships to make One God, from the same Bible? Afterall what do you do with the many verses in the Old and New Testament and the Psalm that point to uniqueness of God, who is never seen by any man?



So what are you trying to say now, that when we have trinity, there is also polygamy, you are a real fanatic, if you read my answer concerning trinity, you will not write what you know, go back and read

And by the way what happened with Esau and Jacob from the same mother? Do they have different mothers because they seemed to me that they were the worst of enemies at a point; one connying a birth right of the other from a blind father with the help of the mother, while the one who lost out wanted blood.

Good, i like the phrase "at a point", so did they reconcile or not? answer that, polygamy brought irrepairable damage to those who practised it in the bible, some were not alive to witness it.

Misterman, study your Bible thoroughly before starting up with us.

thanks, i will

@Aloy.Emeka: Africa is not the only region of the world that "poverty" resides. In USA, and other "advanced" societies, you have dirt poor whites and others. China sexuality, with their abundant of women should be polygamous to water down the sexual tensions that drive the asiatic men to do the brothels, karioki lounges, and prostitution rentals and orgies.

Can you give me the ratio of the percentage of the poverty level in Africa and the US. Also the percentage of polygamy in the US compared to Africa? also if you insist, what is the propagator of Poverty in Africa from your own personal view

@Abuzola
Todak on rampage, hahahaha, why can't u for once use ur head instead of going to www.answeringislam.com

Really, tell that to the birds, hahahahahahahahahaha, you can also go to answeringchristianity.com, for all i care

Point of correction Aisha was 9 and not six. Your quotation is twisted with lies, Now lets analyse it

I think you are blind, go back and re-read, i wrote thatShe was Six when bethrothed or married to say,and the marriage was consumated when she became 9 yrs. thou slave of allah

Quran 2:187 Sexual relation is forbidden in d month of ramadan but some people couldn't bear it & use to do it in secret

Examples of those who secretly did it was who, Muhammad right? hahahahahaha, you are an obidient adherent od islam

In d 2nd paragraph of that verse Allah says 'so now have sexual relations with them and seek wat Allah ordained for u '

It was forbidden in Q2:187, and later allowed, indecision is the problem of allah here that i see.

hmmm Allah is merciful, u can see how Allah made it easier for mankind, this intercouse is done after breaking of fast

Cos he could not make a firm decision, he changes it at will, so which should we take

Todak non of ur hadith states that Muhammad (P.B.U.H) had sex while fasting, ofcourse i can kiss my wife while fasting

Hehehehe, so i have only propagated that abi, you are a funny slave, that loves to swiver from the truth, ok tell me, those were not from the hadith,YUSUFALI and others are not scholars or i see, you could also have sex with her, if you can go that far as kissing and one thing led to the other, you what next, and that was muhammad did, you have only confirmed it. The law breaker could not even hold himself even during fasting, egbe.

U took advantage of 'd prophet sleeping on d bed of his wife' which shows ur blunder confussion

Really, so tell me, what is the meaning of sleeping on one's wife's bed, you can do anything right, so if even he was having sex with her, still he was sleeping on his wife's bed, better still, i challenge you to show me, where i wrote that he slept on his wife's bed. na wao for all these slaves o

Dowry is compulsory, emancipating a slave can be in place of dowry because it is money u use in freeing a slave

Show me where the compulsory dowry was given an option in the quran, that though it is compulsory, you can free your slave in place of dowry. or as dowry

Just like sand ablution can be in place of water ablution so is dowry and emancipation of a slave

well, show me where it is in the quran

Abraham had a sex slave which is hagar and she had a bastard ishmael, u are not even afraid of saying it nawa


What i'm i to be afraid of, Is Ishmael not a bastard ? answer, Is your forefather Ishmael not a Slave? was he not born out of wedlock? did God tell Abraham that he will give him his promised child through a slave?

I wasn't surprise because i already know that d bible is a compilation of incest and sexual erotic of god and men of god

You can start a thread on that, and i will come to the rescue, but for now and on this tread, do not change the heat of the topic.

Quran 2::130 And who turns away frm d religion of Abraham xcept he who befools himself, We chose him in dis world ,,,

And what is the religion of Abraham? is it Islam or Muhammadanism or which,


Concerning the mother of d believers safiya, am gonna use a pc so as to clarify ur fake hadith by today noon

I will be waiting, for your clarification, hahahahahah, why not say, you know nothing about it, and you want to search if it were true, or you are short of words,

Todak you haven't shown me where jesus said MARRY JUST ONE WIFE AND NO MORE if u can't then close ur eyes in shame Grin

You are an immodest slave of allah, did you read my post at all, did you skim or scan through it, well, Jesus did not support polygamy, go and read Mark 10:2-9

"2 Presently a party of Pharisees come to Him with the question—seeking to entrap Him, "May a man divorce his wife?" 3 "What rule did Moses lay down for you?" He answered. 4 "Moses," they said, "permitted a man to draw up a written notice of divorce, and to send his wife away." 5 "It was in consideration of your stubborn hearts," said Jesus, "that Moses enacted this law for you; 6 but from the beginning of the creation the rule was, <‘Male and female did God make them. 7 For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and shall cling to his wife, 8 and the two shall be one’;> so that they are two no longer, but <‘one.’> 9 What, therefore, God has joined together let not man separate."

I hope you can see that i enbolden some words, does that support polygamy?


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@Abuzola
U are really obstinated TODAK АБШИЬМАШ and thats ur problem, i repeat Hadith again explain Quran, don't hide ur faceNo muslim dispute about d creation bcuz d hadith had cleared doubt or misconception,


heh, what i'm saying is that, which do you believe or hold in esteem most?

@Babs
@Todak,I am not the type that runs for debate.You may ask your folks when the going was tougher and the heat was on.

Really, But you are cold of late. sorry, those repoofs hit you really bad. hope you get your self back,

How many of my questions have you been able to answer and dont forget a thread where I shred the answers you brought from your authors and you claimed that you couldnt go further since you've provided your answers.

hmmmmmmm, talk on, cos this is a new thread, remember, when you were talking at lenght when we debated on errors in the bible, i gave you answers pertaining to it correctly. here you are shielding from the true calculation thats why i'm incensed at you, cos you are a great orator and suddenly you just grow cold, sorry man. "those who live in glass house do not throw stones"

So y the game of dishonesty here? You'v not been able to provide where creation of heaven and earth took more than 6 days

Haba babs, tell me what did Q 41:9, Q 41: 10 says cos those are the controversial verses, cos you are telling me this thread is baseless, even after qouting from the quran.

but all you could do was to make denials and unintelligent calculation in which my kid would beat you to it

Really, here, i think, it is allah that does not know his mathematics well, here though he is all knowing but not mathematically knowing

If you are observant,you would see that your brethren kept mute because they know that you are making a mockery of yourself and argues like a toddler. A word is enough for the wise but I doubt if you are.

There you go again, you call me names cos i i'm proving yourquran false, well, did they (i mean the others) tell you that, or you just thought, i hate false assumptions, false thinking and thats what islam is

@Abuzola
Quran 11:7 and 10:3 says it all that it was 6 days he created d heavens and earth,

And what did Quran 41: 9-10 says, then what is the total of that? allah's maths is so poor. what a god!

@Abuzola
the question is state where in the bible that it was stated that marrying two or more wife is a sin? or state where it says you shouldnot marry more than one wife,

Right, It is not specifically there, but if you read what i posted to you earlier, you will find your answer, if allah could create man and gave him one wife and not two, then i see no reason why you cannot stick to monogamy, and also it is not stated that polygamy is encouraged, though it was practised by the partriach, but it never yielded a favourable result, what it gave in to was bitter rivalry among the children and their future generations.

just state fromthe bible simple.

I have given a clue to your answer, so you should figure it out

for u to understand better,

if u note from scientific view

dalton state a law abt matter which was correct as at the time,but other scientist came and modified it therefore made dalton's theory less useful,

Hmm, you are now comparing the two books with scientific laws, ok, do you know the modifications of dalton atomic law was based on the original law, it was his law that led to the modification, that is why the quran said, go to the people of the book, for what ? to tell you the truth. and if you do not know of thermodynamics law of conservation states that"the total amount of energy in the universe is constant. Energy can change form, but it can not be created or destroyed" and that is what applys to the bible, " the word of God is constant, it can neither be modified nor changed"

the same apply here.


when jesus came,all jesus saying is were correct and must be followd but when a more stronger and newest message has been sent,that made his saying less effective to the new message.


If all Jesus said were correct, do you believe "all" in quote , he has said, he said "I and my father are one", do you believe that, if all he has said were correct, then muhammad is a proof of a false prophet

Even ur commander christ did not marry? did he ? so keep ur shit, watever muhammad teach he practicalize it

And do you care to know, he is not a mortal, he only came in mortal form to save you and i from condemnation.

And if you say muhammad practised all he tauch, i will refute you with this:

1. Muhammad broke the rule on sex during fasting. What the Holy Qur'an says about sex during fasting time:

During fasting, sexual activity is for the night only, 2:187

YUSUFALI: Permitted to you, on the night of the fasts, is the approach to your wives. They are your garments and ye are their garments. Allah knoweth what ye used to do secretly among yourselves; but He turned to you and forgave you; so now associate with them, and seek what Allah Hath ordained for you, and eat and drink, until the white thread of dawn appear to you distinct from its black thread; then complete your fast Till the night appears; but do not associate with your wives while ye are in retreat in the mosques. Those are Limits (set by) Allah: Approach not nigh thereto. Thus doth Allah make clear His Signs to men: that they may learn self-restraint.

Here is what Muhammad did while observing fast:

Muhammad slept with Umm Salama during her period, kissed her while fasting and used to take bath from the same pot after having sex…(Sahih Bukhari,1.6.319)

Sahih Bukhari: Volume 1, Book 6, Number 319:

Narrated Zainab bint Abi Salama:

Um-Salama said, "I got my menses while I was lying with the Prophet under a woollen sheet. So I slipped away, took the clothes for menses and put them on. Allah's Apostle said, 'Have you got your menses?' I replied, 'Yes.' Then he called me and took me with him under the woollen sheet." Um Salama further said, "The Prophet used to kiss me while he was fasting. The Prophet and I used to take the bath of Janaba from a single pot."

While fasting, Muhammad kissed and embraced his wives, (Sahih Bukhari,3.31.149)

Sahih Bukhari: Volume 3, Book 31, Number 149:

Narrated 'Aisha:

The Prophet used to kiss and embrace (his wives) while he was fasting, and he had more power to control his desires than any of you. Said Jabir, "The person who gets discharge after casting a look (on his wife) should complete his fast."

Muhammad used to kiss and suck Aisha's tongue while they were fasting, (Sunaan Abu Dawud,13.2380)

Sunaan Abu Dawud: Book 13, Number 2380:

Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin:

The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) used to kiss her and suck her tongue when he was fasting.

2. Muhammad violated the Qur'anic rules on dower (mehr) and the time of waiting (idda)) in marrying a divorced/widowed woman

When Muhammad captured Khaybar, he took as a captive Safiyyah bt Huyayy, a very pretty teenage-girl and married her without paying her any dowry (mehr). The payment of mehr is compulsory in Islamic law of marriage.

oklet us examine how Muhammad violated the rule of dower. This rule is stipulated in the Qur'an thus:


To marry a woman pay her dowry as a free-gift, 4:4

YUSUFALI: And give the women (on marriage) their dower as a free gift; but if they, of their own good pleasure, remit any part of it to you, Take it and enjoy it with right good cheer

To hide his deception, Muhammad claimed that marrying Safiyyah was in itself a good honour for her, her dowry was her manumission from being a sex-slave to Muhammad.

Muhammad consummated his marriage with Saffiyah by staying with her for three days on way from Khaybar; he ordered her to wear a veil, (Sahih Bukhari, 5.59.523, 524)

Sahih Bukhari: Volume 5, Book 59, Number 523:

Narrated Anas bin Malik:

The Prophet stayed with Safiya bint Huyai for three days on the way of Khaibar where he consummated his marriage with her. Safiya was amongst those who were ordered to use a veil.

Volume 5, Book 59, Number 524:

Narrated Anas:

The Prophet stayed for three rights between Khaibar and Medina and was married to Safiya. I invited the Muslim to his marriage banquet and there was neither meat nor bread in that banquet but the Prophet ordered Bilal to spread the leather mats on which dates, dried yogurt and butter were put. The Muslims said amongst themselves, "Will she (i.e. Safiya) be one of the mothers of the believers, (i.e. one of the wives of the Prophet) or just (a lady captive) of what his right-hand possesses" Some of them said, "If the Prophet makes her observe the veil, then she will be one of the mothers of the believers (i.e. one of the Prophet's wives), and if he does not make her observe the veil, then she will be his lady slave." So when he departed, he made a place for her behind him (on his and made her observe the veil.

Muhammad stayed with Safiyyah for three nights consummating his marriage…(Sunaan Abu Dawud, 2.11.2118)

Sunaan Dawud: vol. ii, Book 11, number 2118

Anas b Malik said: When the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) married safiyyah, he stayed with her three nights. The narrator ‘Uthman added: She was non-virgin (previously married). He said: This tradition has been narrated to me by Hushaim, reported by Humaid, and transmitted by Anas.

Saffiya's dower for marriage was her manumission…(Sahih Muslim, 8.3326)

Sahih Muslim: Book 008, Number 3326:

This hadith has been narrated through another chain of transmitters on the authority of Anas that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) emancipated Safiyya, and her emancipation was treated as her wedding gift, and in the hadith transmitted by Mu'adh on the authority of his father (the words are):" He (the Holy Prophet) married Safiyya and bestowed her emancipation as her wedding gift."

Further information on this lustful marriage with a 19-year-old Jewish beauty with 60-year-old Muhammad is glimpsed from the narration of Ibn Sa'd. Please note that before falling into the hands of Muhammad, this pretty lass was married to a Jewish man. Muhammad had already killed Safiyaah's husband and her father after subjecting them to brutal torture, and finally beheading them. Having satiated his lust for blood, on the same night he killed her closest relatives, Muhammad took Saffiyah into his tent to have sex with her.

It was learnt from Ibn Sa'd that Muhammad purchased Safiyyah from Dhiyah for seven camels . On the same night that Muhammad took possession of Safiyyah, he hastened to his tent to sleep with her. Here is what Ibn Sa'd writes:

“….when it was night, he entered a tent and she entered with him. Abu Ayyub came there and passed the nigh by the tent by the tent with a sword keeping his head at the tent. When it was morning and the Apostle of Allah, may Allah bless him, perceived (some body) moving, he asked: Who is there? He replied: I am Abu Ayub. He asked: Why are you here? He replied: O Apostle of Allah! There is a young lass newly wedded (to you) with whose late husband you have done what you have done. I was not sure of safety, so I wanted to be close to you. Thereupon the Apostle of Allah, may Allah bless him, said twice: O Abu Ayyub! May Allah show you mercy.” (ibn Sa'd vol.ii, p.145)

3. To hide the lascivious character of Muhammad, Muslim biographers often mention that he married Safiyyah before he slept with her. But they forget to state that Muhammad did not follow the rule of waiting period (three monthly periods) to sleep with Safiyyah.

see how Muhammad had violated the rule of idda (waiting period) in marrying a woman. These rules are stipulated in the Qur'an thus:

Before marrying another man divorced women must wait three monthly periods, 2:228

YUSUFALI: Divorced women shall wait concerning themselves for three monthly periods. Nor is it lawful for them to hide what Allah Hath created in their wombs, if they have faith in Allah and the Last Day. And their husbands have the better right to take them back in that period, if they wish for reconciliation. And women shall have rights similar to the rights against them, according to what is equitable; but men have a degree (of advantage) over them. And Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise


Widows of wait four months and ten days for re-marriage, 2:234

YUSUFALI: If any of you die and leave widows behind, they shall wait concerning themselves four months and ten days: When they have fulfilled their term, there is no blame on you if they dispose of themselves in a just and reasonable manner. And Allah is well acquainted with what ye do.

Clearly, when Muhammad wanted to sleep or to have sex with Safiyyah, she was a widow, technically, as Muhammad had already killed her husband. Therefore, as per the Qur'an, Muhammad had to wait at least four months and ten days before he could even touch her. But Muhammad did not at all observe this rule; instead, he took Safiyyah, straight from the battlefield to his bed in the war camp. Having spent the night with her, Muhammad took her to another, safer location, stayed there for three days and consummated his marriage with Safiyyah.

Let us read a hadith on this:

Muhammad selected Safiyyah because of her beauty, made her his wife and gave a banquet at the wedding; then he had sex with Saffiyah at Sa`d-AsSahba…(Sahih Bukhari 4.52.143)

Sahih Bukhari: Volume 4, Book 52, Number 143:

Narrated Anas bin Malik:

The Prophet said to Abu Talha, "Choose one of your boy servants to serve me in my expedition to Khaibar." So, Abu Talha took me letting me ride behind him while I was a boy nearing the age of puberty. I used to serve Allah's Apostle when he stopped to rest. I heard him saying repeatedly, "O Allah! I seek refuge with You from distress and sorrow, from helplessness and laziness, from miserliness and cowardice, from being heavily in debt and from being overcome by men." Then we reached Khaibar; and when Allah enabled him to conquer the Fort (of Khaibar), the beauty of Safiya bint Huyai bin Akhtab was described to him. Her husband had been killed while she was a bride. So Allah's Apostle selected her for himself and took her along with him till we reached a place called Sad-AsSahba,' where her menses were over and he took her for his wife. Haris (a kind of dish) was served on a small leather sheet. Then Allah's Apostle told me to call those who were around me. So, that was the marriage banquet of Allah's Apostle and Safiya. Then we left for Medina. I saw Allah's Apostle folding a cloak round the hump of the camel so as to make a wide space for Safiya (to sit on behind him) He sat beside his camel letting his knees for Safiya to put her feet on so as to mount the camel. Then, we proceeded till we approached Medina; he looked at Uhud (mountain) and said, "This is a mountain which loves us and is loved by us." Then he looked at Medina and said, "O Allah! I make the area between its (i.e. Medina's) two mountains a sanctuary as Abraham made Mecca a sanctuary. O Allah! Bless them (i.e. the people of Medina) in their Mudd and Sa (i.e. measures)."

So did he violated his teachings or not, ignoramus


Have u ever thought of : The wife to be to make up 3rd or 4th wife wasn't forced, he toast her & she agreed, na by force

And did the quran tell you Muhammad toasted her? what if the wife to be refuses what will be her lot according to the quran? Fatwa or what, i want to know

Father of faith Abraham had two wives sarah and hagar, he therefore fall in d class of polygamy, may ALLAH guide us amin

I beg to disagree, Abraham married one wife, Hagai only bore hima son, and is therefore a concubine though not of his own will, and if you do not know who a wife is, i will give you its defination., a woman who is legally or traditionally joined together with her husband and is recognised by all to be. How did he marry Hagai, where and how did they meet. Hagar was a mere slave who was priveledged to be a partaker of God's blesing on Abrham through her son. So in essence, Ismael is a bastard, by all standard and hagar was a concubine

now u are making sense instead of posting those insults, Muhammad never proposed to aisha in d first place

Muhammad never proposed to any woman he married not even Khadijat, he was either proposed to, or say in the name of allah. he was a coward, he could not even tell his feelings.so your point is !!!!

After the death of his wife khadija, muhammad was upset & in despair, his best friend Abubakar gave his daughter to him

So in the whole of the Quarsh tribe, and arab/Islam world as at then, it is a girl that could fill in the position of the deceased wife of the prophet, and also when he married aisha, did he not marry more? that is to show how lustful a prophet muhammad could be?

This norm is widely done in Arab, india, hausa, pakistani etc so as to make relationship in a good gesture and clench

I see but before his era we never heard such and if it ever occured, not to a honoured person of a prophet calibre, it an abuse of the office of prophethood.

In sharia law if a girl doesn't love u a marriage can't be call, therefore marriage by force is not in d name of islam

Are you sure, did the quran say aisha concented to the marriage, or that when the time came for her to go to be with the prophet, she was led there like a sheep to the slaughter, if even she protested, the prophet could not be refused.

After the marriage Aisha remained in the house of her father for years before settlling with the prophet

Yes, that is because muhammad did not want any suspiciousness to be found tailing him, and atlast when he could not be patient enough, he consumated the marriage three years later, is that correct, abuzola, Aisha was nine when she was deflowered, let me ask you, can you give your own nine year old daughter in marriage to a 50-yr old rich man?

And such is the prophet od allah, a SEX MANAIC, a LAW BREAKER, a MURDERER, a FALSE PROPHET, worshiping a FALSE god.

Babs, i'm really disappointed in you, cos you could not refute me on this matter, you ran under the cover of the hadith and allah knos best. i'm not disputing that allah's does not knows best. The quran was allahs words revealed to the prophet, and concerning those verses, they speak for themselves, you only have to covered your in shame cos you were so vibrant when discussing christianity and the antagonizing thread you posted. it is such a shame that some of you claim to proclaim the truth but falsehood.

So what point are u making now, instead of hitting d nail on d head was busy spitting everywhere


I have, only you and your brothers are trying to beat about the bush. and that is allah was not a good mathematician. period


Hadith is a reference to the Quran that explains why, when and reason why a revealation was revealed


You are too forward, i asked which is the one to be believed most, the words of allah, or the acts and deeds of muhammad?


Thank GOD, u even said of a hadith that explain vividly about d creation in 6 days by ALLAH

If even the hadith said so, which do you believ most, the hadith or the quran, do not tell me you believe in both, which do you regard most among the two?



Tithe was discussed in d New testament yet non of u understand what it says, some says it is mandatory other dispute it

You a silly being,you are trying to divert the thread right, unfortunately, it won't succeed, this an islamic thread, go to the religious section and debate that, i have made the postion of tithe clear, and that debate is still hotly debated, (What Tithe really means) .we christians do not do things by force, if i say i not going to church because my bible tells me so, i can hold onto my believe though i may be wrong, we can only appeal and explain, and if you still refuse, we shall om=nly pray for better understanding unlike the dogmatic way islam spead its tents.

Who they claimed to be:
• Muhammad – The Final Prophet
o Sura 33:40 says, “Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but he is the Messenger of Allah and the Seal [the last part] of the prophets.”

• Jesus – The Son of God
o Matthew 26:63-64 says, “And the high priest said to Him, ‘I put You under oath by the living God: Tell us if you are the Christ, the Son of God!’ Jesus said to him, ‘It is as you said.’”

Knows the thoughts of men:
• Muhammad – Did not know the thoughts of men
o Sura 11:31 says, “And I say not to you that I have the treasures of Allah; and I know not the unseen”

• Jesus – Knows the thoughts of men
o Matthew 9:4 says, “But Jesus, knowing their thoughts, said, ‘Why do you think evil in your hearts?’”
o Revelation 2:23 says, “and all the churches shall know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts.”

Advocate with the Father:
• Muhammad – Not our Advocate with the Father
o Sura 9:80 says, “Ask forgiveness for them or ask not for them. Even if you ask forgiveness for them seventy times, Allah will not forgive them. This is because they disbelieve in Allah and His Messenger. And Allah guides not the transgressing people.”

• Jesus – Our Advocate with the Father
o 1 John 2:1-2 says, “And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the Righteous. And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not ours only but also for the whole world.”

Relationship to God:
• Muhammad – A “Servant” to Allah
o Sura 2:23 says, And if there is anything that perturbs your mind or makes you skeptical about (the truth and authenticity of) what We have revealed to our Servant (Muhammad), then produce a single Sura which is like this”

• Jesus – One with the Father
o John 10:30 says “I and My Father are one.”

Performed Miracles:
• Muhammad – Did not perform miracles
o Sura 29:50-51 says, “And they say: Why are not signs sent down upon him from his Lord? Say: Signs are with Allah only, and I am only a plain warner.”




• Jesus – Performed miracles
o Matthew 15:30 says, “great multitudes came to Him, having with them the lame, blind, mute, maimed, and many others; and they laid them down at Jesus’ feet, and He healed them.”

Forgiveness or Revenge:
• Muhammad - Taught revenge
o Sura 2:194 says, “The sacred month for the sacred month, and retaliation is allowed in sacred things. Whoever then acts aggressively against you, inflict injury on him according to the injury he has inflicted on you.”

• Jesus – Taught forgiveness
o Matthew 5:38-39 says, “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on your cheek, turn the other to him also.”

Sinless or Sinful:
• Muhammad – A sinful man
o Sura 47:19 – “So know that there is no god but Allah and ask protection for thy sin and for the believing men and the believing women.”

• Jesus – Was sinless
o 1 Peter 2:22 speaking of Christ says, “Who committed no sin, nor was deceit found in His mouth.”

Healed the Blind:
• Muhammad – Turned away from the blind
o Sura 80:1-2 says, “He frowned and turned away, because the blind man came to him.”

• Jesus – Healed the blind
o Like 18:35-43 says, “a certain blind man sat by the road begging…Jesus said, ‘What do you want Me to do for you?’ He said, ‘Lord, that I may receive my sight.’ Then Jesus said to him, ‘Receive your sight…’ And immediately he received his sight, and followed Him.”

Taught Monogamy or Polygamy:
• Muhammad – Taught and practiced polygamy
o Sura 4:3 says, “And if you fear that you cannot do justice to orphans, marry such women as seem good to you, two, or three, or four”

• Jesus – Taught monogamy
o Matthew 19:5-6 says, “[Jesus answered], and said ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife (singular)…So then, they are no longer two but one flesh.’”

Saves or Destroys Lives:
• Muhammad – Called to destroy peoples lives
o Sura 48:16 "Say to the sedentary Arabs who stay behind, "You will be invited to face powerful people and to fight them, unless they submit. If you obey, GOD will reward you with a generous recompense. But if you turn away again, as you did in the past, He will requite you with a painful retribution."

• Jesus – Came to save lives
o Luke 9:56 says, “For the Son of Man did not come to destroy men’s lives but to save them.”

Forced or Free to Accept Their Message:
• Muhammad – Forced people to accept his message
o Sura 9:29 says, “Fight those who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which Allah and His Messenger have forbidden, not follow the Religion of Truth, out of those ho have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgement of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.”

• Jesus – People are free to accept Jesus’ message or not
o Luke 10:10-11 says, “But whatever city you enter, and they do not receive you, go out into the streets and say, ‘The very dust of your city which clings to us we wipe off against you. Nevertheless know this, that the kingdom of God has come near you.’”

Followers will Live or Die:
• Muhammad – Died and his followers will die
o Sura 39:30 says, “You (Muhammad) will surely die, just like they will die.”

• Jesus – Is the life and His follower will live
o John 11:25 says, “Jesus said to her, ‘I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live.’”

Teaching Superiority of Men over Women:
• Muhammad – Taught men are superior over women
o Sura 4:34 says, “Men are superior to women on account of the qualities with which God hath gifted the one above the other”

• Jesus – Taught all are created equal in God’s sight
o Galatians 3:28 says, “There is neither Jew nor Greek…slave nor free…male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.”

Called People to Themselves:
• Muhammad – Was reproved or admonished for sending people away
o Sura 6:52 says, “And do not dismiss those who implore their Lord day and night, devoting themselves to Him alone. You are not responsible for their reckoning, nor are they responsible for your reckoning. If you dismiss them, you will be a transgressor.”

• Jesus – Called people to come to Him
o Matthew 11:28-30 says, “Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”


Teaching on Divorce:
• Muhammad – Preached divorce
o Sura 2:230 says, “And if the husband divorces his wife (for the third time), she shall not remain his lawful wife after this (absolute) divorce, unless she marries another husband and the second husband divorces her. (In that case) there is no harm if they [the first couple] remarry”

• Jesus – Taught Marriage was binding and against divorce
o Matthew 5:32 says, “But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except for sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a woman who is divorced commits adultery.”

Read the Word of God:
• Muhammad – Was illiterate
o Sura 7:157 says, “Those who follow the messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write”

• Jesus – Read the Word of God
o Luke 4:16-21 says, “He went to the synagogue…and stood to read. And He was handed the book of the prophet Isaiah. And when He opened the book, He found the place where it is written: [Jesus then read from Isaiah 61:1,2].”

Satanic Influence:
• Muhammad – Satan had influence over him
o Sura 6:68 says, “If you see those who mock our revelations, you shall avoid them until they delve into another subject. If the devil causes you to forget, then, as soon as you remember, do not sit with such evil people.”

• Jesus – Satan had NO influence over Jesus
o John 14:30 says, “I cannot speak with you much longer, because the ruler of this world is coming. But he has no power over me.”

Associated with Demons
• Muhammad – Associated with demons
o Sura 46:29 says, “And We sent to you a small number of Jinn [demon], in order to let them listen to the Quran. So when they arrived there, they said: "Pay attention." Then, when it was finished, they returned to their people, to warn them.”

• Jesus – Cast out demons
o Matthew 4:24 says, “Then His fame went throughout all Syria; and they brought to Him all sick people who were afflicted with various diseases and torments, and those who were demon-possessed, epileptics, and paralytics; and He healed them.”


But my most curious question is can mortal- begotten be greater than an imortal-begotten,

cos(Quran 21:91) “And she who guarded her chastity, so We breathed (a spirit) into her through Our angel, and We made her and her son (Jesus) a sign for the worlds.”

And we all know Muhammad was begotten by abdullahi, so what is your opinion on the matter, who is better, an even if Jesus claimed to be God, or he was dietified, don't you think he worth it, cos major reasons

1. he was not born of man
2. he is still alive

Show me the verses where you get your Specificity! In the Qur'an there are some verses that no one except Allah knows the meaning. There are some verses you have expanations from Muhammad (as) to even understand it. Yet there are so many verses where you don't need expalanation to understand them.

And yet it is the miracle of allah to mankind, where some part could not even be depichered by the prophet, , go back to the begining of the post, and you will see them,

I want you to show me which verse(s) helped you to give you the full specific information that you know that Allah is wrong. The same Allah whose Book you are going to use to shwo that he is wrong. Am waiting. If I am not here, when you respond, a slew of muslims, men and women will correct you.


Did you read the thread at all, that you are asking agfain for the verses and so, did i qoute from a text book or from a novel, maybe you need to re-read the thread




Please break it down for us; Did Allah create the earth less than two days? Did He create it more than 6 days? Did He tell you that He created the earth alone, completely before He began to create the Heavens, or vice versa? Do you even know what you are talking about, except that you are bent on wanting to proof Islam wrong? Please explain yourself. I want to learn Islam from you, if you know for sure.

Go back and see my break down, you ahev only been beating about the bush in answering my thread,




Am not saying anything, except poking holes in your idea that is not sound about the Quran and creation of the earth! You dont know or do you, really? Only if you ready the hadith. Then, you have to go to the writings of the scholars of ahadith about the period ofthe creation of the earth in order to understand.

Which is to be believed most, the hadith or the quran, after all i quoted right from the quran and that you can confirm




Since you know, from the Quran, give us the correct calculation. Do you know Quran more than the Author? Please give me the meaning of Alif, Laaam, Miiim.; the very verse of the second chapter if you know!


Story Story story, you are preaching, you are interrogating me and the same time questioning me, which should i take among, oga, tell the truth,



And the "eye opener" is that I follow your co Gods, which are Father, Son and ghost/spirit, if you are a christian? Is it not obvious that partnership is never as individuals do not hold absolute authorities, since there will be a need to consult the other partners, before acting?

You said co-Gods. oh oh oh, i will use you as an example, do you know you are made up of three part: Body, Soul And Spirit. And that makes you the human you are, Threee different elements, so God is , Our GOd is not a co-Gods, he is one, just like you but into three parts.

If you are not a christian, and for example you are a humanist or athesit or others, should I follow your ways, where there is no Overlord that qualifies my actions? What is the purpose of life? Why are you here, as humans? Is your purpose different from the animals in the wilderness or even the domesticated ones? What is it, if you know? I am thinking that you may even deny paradise (chrstian heaven) and hellfire (Chrstian lake of fire).

You think!!!!! , it is wrong to think on the wrong assumption, mr. so do not place me on a false motive and ways, cos i never discussed whom i'm i to you. or have we?



Please give me your professorial math prowess! Please provide proof from the Quran.


Go back to the beginning of the tread



I guess we already see that the earth was created in a period not less than 2 days! While the heavens were being created at the same time that the earth was being created, the total period of these compex creations is 6 days!

So says you,hadith and the scholars. but not the quran

From your genius quality, tell us from the Qur'an how many days it took to create the earth and iots contents? Do you know if earth and its contents are not being created at the same time that the heavens were being created?

I am telling this of mine own, i have the quran back up at the start of the thread.

If you want to know, read the Quran again (Surah Najm and others) where you will see that Allah brought the creations of heavens and earth going at the same time. He is capable of doing more than one thing at the same time.

At the same time but different simuteneous days, that are interwoven right, what do you people think every one is a fool or something, , if allah were capable, it would not take him so much differentiated time.

For example, Allah ways he created man from soil. Adam is created from Soil. he created man from water. Adam was created from the admixture of soil and water. He created man from Adam. Eve his wife was created from part of his body. Yet it if from the fusion of their products; sperm and egg that their offspring came from.

And may i ask how many days it took God to create man from water, days it took him to create man from soil then give me the total, why did he not use his kun power to to that?

Allah them says that man was created from drop of liquid; sperm, the sexual product of the stronger gender; man.

Allah says that man is created from blood, which is the very material that the combined sperm and egg become, as they begin to grow. I think you sknow the many changes, before human is born; all of them with 9 months!

Which man, is it Adam, if it is Adam, which of them is to be believed, you just said Adam was created from soil and water and now it from sperm and water, and also that he was created from blood, which should be believed,



Your case is like the case of a young man who petitioned the courts that he wants to divorce his parents. Even if he can handle the new found freedom, what happens to his genetic makeup? Can he change that? If he can not, then know that his "freedom" from his parents is a fake one.

Can ones parent degrade one to a slave, so who is the parent here and the child in question.

Your saying about not being a slave is borne out of "lack of understanding" of your true position with your Creator.

I'm not moved if you say you are a slave cos islam generated from slaves, yes, Ismael, the fore father of muhammad was born by a slave mistress, so your claim to slavery is correct, but i am not, i have my belief and roots in Isaac the promised child, and the son of Sarah, the wife of Abraham, and therefore, i not a slave.




Your imagination can not comprehend Him. Whatever your mind can formulate to be Him, it is definitely not Him. Allah says about Himself in Chapter 112; Your Lord is Allah. Thats the name He calls Himself. Then He says that He begets no one. That eliminates the lies that He is a father of anyone or any people. He is not begotten. That eliminates Him as any one who ever was born by a mother without a father, or created without prior example, etc. He depend on no one, while everyone depends on Him.

Your own lord, not mine, so keep the sermon to your fellow slaves

I often hear even the atheist or agnostic in distress cries out; Oh God!

And what is the problem with that, cos i have heard a muslim during a frightening incident cried out to Jesus, another shouted the blood of , and stoped,when asked which blood, he was shot of words, do islam believe in one blood or the other? i guess the answer is no.


There is no muslim that will tell you that Muhammad (AS), the Prophet of Allah is God! Yet Allah is the One Muhammad prostrated his face to. All muslims is required to do so. indeed, all true believers should.

I mentioned muhammad cos, you people refer to no other prophet during prayers or sort other than muhammad, so he is a small god in islam.





Like eveything else; the truth is one. I often hear women in yoruba culture call their husbands family members, my husband. It even include women, in this group of husband! We do know that the true husband is definitely not the women in the family. Not even the strong desirable men. But the man who she shares her bed with is the husband.

So this is in surport of that right?


Look at your Zeus as the women the wife calls my husband. Is Zeus "God?" I believe that the era of his greek mythical notice ended when christianity overran Greece. And that is just the porported followers of "the son of Mary!"

Zeus is a greek God and has nothing to do with Jesus christ, cos i can't get the piont you are trying to raise here

Just imagine when the changes that will occur when the greeks know about the Lord that Jesus son of Mary worshipped! Will there be a place that Zeus image or name will remain in Greek conscience?

Are you asking me,when they were not forced to worship Jesus, Those who worship Jesus will hold unto Jesus and those who believe in Zeus will hold onto him, any big deal in that, after NIgeira is alos like that, we have muslims and christians and each hold unto his belief.

In your Bible, you had David with many more wives and "concubines". His son Solomon had much more of each.

And did the same bible tell us to follow his footsteps. For every act or doings in the bible, it is for either correction, reproof, or edification. if David had many wives, he only did that out of lustfulness, and we as christians have learnt from there, we should therefore not do the same thing otherwise what happened to him will also happen to such fellow. or if you have a specific verse in the bible that tell you or the christians to marry more than one wife, gladly let me know, go do this as a research work, every one of them that engaged in polygamy either knowingly or not, they suffered for it, it sprang out a lasting foundational bitterness in theirchildren and future.

I will not allow you to go scottfree in this matter! Your accusations are like that of those who are throwing accusations of sexual relations on Jesus son of Mary, as they claim it to be with Mary Maglaine! You see how falsehood can take hold?

well, it is not only an accusation, it is the fact, nothing but the truth, and why did you not believe the da vinci code and you believed the gospel of barnabas?cos it could implicate and contradict the jesus in the quran, hmmmmmmmm. tell me what facts do islam have to prove the da vinci code false? i which to know

And Todak, if you do not know that the prophet (AS) had a special condition when it comes to sexuality, then you know nothing about Islam.

And what is that special condition?

On one hand, in Surah Azhab he was told that no more marriage is recorded for him after the last one was ordained on him. This simply meant that even if all of the women died, he would have to remain without consult. Yet every muslim man can marry up until on death bed.

And which of the last one was ordained for him, the slaves or freeborn

Just like when it was not permissable for him to remain alive for any extended period of time, after the last portion of the Quran was revealed. What would he be doing alive? Is there a retired prophet? When the last responsibility of Moses was discharged, Moses was removed from his community. When the duty of Jesus was over, he was finally raised up by his Lord to Him. The same for Muhammad.

So you are now saying Allah took muhammad isn't it. now now Moses died on a mountain and till date none knew where God biried him, Jesus died and rose, and ascended to heaven, he is still alive, there were witnesses, Muhammad died of Fever and is rotten over a 1000 years ago, so who took him away, allah or fever, or if even allah took him, allah took himm away by sickness, a whole prophet that died as a resul to fever, it is very unlikely of a prophet

For example, muslim man can marry 4 and replace them and marry another, and did same and repeat the process throughout his life.

Abomination!!, so as polygamy grows so is polyandry, why in the first place should you divorce you wife, except for adultery. tell me, if not for lustful desires. You now added pepper to the whole thing my saying, they can be replaced, what a pity, women have become household utilities that we change to suit our lifestyle.hmmm

So can a woman marry each time after marriage.

Any lady in the house to answer this? can you cope with the desires of your husbands at every instant marrriage especially in the area of child bearing.

But no wife of Muhammad (AS) was eligible for marriage anymore because they are the mothers of the believers. Even their own fathers, they are the mothers of the believers. Aisha became the mother of her father. So was Afsa to her father Umar bin Khattab. Do people normally marry their mothers? No.

So the wives of muhammad were untouchable after his death, he could tamper with others wives. hmmm so since they are mothers of believers, the rule that applies to the believers do do apply to them concerning marriage. others should not defile the temple of muhammad, it is sacred and he alone can enter,


Do people normally marry their mothers? No.

If islam could permit mrrying your step-son's wife or divourced wife, then what stops you from marrying your mother if islam permits also

So tell me which woman concubine or sex slave that Muhammad slept with and who married her after he "left" her?

they are numerous but have a tip of the3 ice berg:

When Muhammad captured Khaybar, he took as a captive Safiyyah bt Huyayy, a very pretty teenage-girl and married her without paying her any dowry (mehr). The payment of mehr is compulsory in Islamic law of marriage.

First, let us examine how Muhammad violated the rule of dower. This rule is stipulated in the Qur'an thus:To marry a woman pay her dowry as a free-gift, 4:4 . did he pay the dowry. the hadith below proved that

Sahih Bukhari: Volume 5, Book 59, Number 523:

Narrated Anas bin Malik:

The Prophet stayed with Safiya bint Huyai for three days on the way of Khaibar where he consummated his marriage with her. Safiya was amongst those who were ordered to use a veil.
Volume 5, Book 59, Number 524:

Narrated Anas:

The Prophet stayed for three rights between Khaibar and Medina and was married to Safiya. I invited the Muslim to his marriage banquet and there was neither meat nor bread in that banquet but the Prophet ordered Bilal to spread the leather mats on which dates, dried yogurt and butter were put. The Muslims said amongst themselves, "Will she (i.e. Safiya) be one of the mothers of the believers, (i.e. one of the wives of the Prophet) or just (a lady captive) of what his right-hand possesses" Some of them said, "If the Prophet makes her observe the veil, then she will be one of the mothers of the believers (i.e. one of the Prophet's wives), and if he does not make her observe the veil, then she will be his lady slave." So when he departed, he made a place for her behind him (on his and made her observe the veil.
hope you will view that with a moral google,

I hope you will be sincere to yourself and stop this psychoreligiousity. You are going beyond your religious duty and out of the realm of reality! Is there more than One Whole God? Is there a possibility of 2 or more true Gods?

That is the point, Islam serve allah, the aclaimed true god, christianity serve Yaweh, Jeovah, all refering to God, can there be two truth? does the truth proclaim itself saying "I am the truth come to me", impossible you know, so one but be what/ a falsified truth, which do you think it is? and also if allah is God, can't he fight for himselve wherever he is descreted, does allah speaks to his servants? plz do not tell me allah spoke to muhammad, in the present muslim world, does he still speaks? i need you to answer those questions left unanswered

I know that you have difficulty to realise that you can do more than one thing at the same time. I think it may be difficult for you to use the computer and talk on the phone at the same time. So if you have 10 minutes to do both, I am assuming that you may just spend 6 minutes on computer. Then dial the phone number of the person you wish to talk to and spend the remaining 4 minutes. But in real world; people turn the computer on at the same time they are dialling the phone. In other words, they spend 10 full minutes on the computer and at the same time full 10 minutes talking on the phone. They didn't spend 20 minutes, but 10. This is overlapping of activities in the same time, providing efficiency. If humans can do this, although it is difficult for you, I imagine, it is easy for Allah. You see why 6 days is what needed to create, and not 8?

Then why did he not use that method afterall he said kun, and it was so, he should have done that, instaed you you mesmerizing with the word, "Kun"

You see why Kun (Be) is easy and there is no "rest"period in the Quran. And please don't tell me that "REST" from Bible simple mean no more creation, only. It also means what it means; rest, which is taking a break to gain energy after a hard period of work or activities that brought about fatigue.

Your own realistic explanation, so it is only when you are fatique that you rest, when you come back from work, there is every possibiblity that you will be fatique and also not, and you still rest. so do not base your judgement onesided. If Kun was as easy as you said, allah does not need up to a minute to have created the earth, and all within it.

You need the knowledge of math; simple arithmetics! Have you the knowledge of solving more than one equation at the same time? Or more than one unknown quantity in the same problem? Apply yourself, man.

Look at you, i think you and babs and your fellows need it more, check out on the works of aristole and others, cos like you said simple arithmetic, is that not what allah could not solve. and you people took it hook, line and sinker. Think man you need an arimetical google not the islamic google you are using to view the who thing