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ivoice247:
And on the Day of Judgement, Jesus(as) will say (Q5v117-118):-
"Never said I to them aught except what Thou didst command me to say, to wit, 'worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord'; and I was a witness over them whilst I dwelt amongst them; when Thou didst take me up Thou wast the Watcher over them, and Thou art a witness to all things.
"If Thou dost punish them, they are Thy servant: If Thou dost forgive them, Thou art the Exalted in power, the Wise."

Even in the bible, Jesus(as) states One Lord and God (NLT Bible, the bk of Mark 12;29) -
Jesus replied, "The most important commandment is this: 'Listen, O Israel! The LORD our God is the one and only LORD.

I see you have quietly ignored my questions.You have gotten to a dead end abi?.My advice for you is to stop deceiving yourself and accept Jesus Christ into your life as your lord and saviour.Many of your colleagues are getting saved day by day.You better join the train before it is too late.QED.

OLAADEGBU:
[url=http://xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/3580208/121896942/name/Interview%20of%20Sheik%20Sani%20Haliru%20now%20a%20Christian.pdf//]Candid Interview[/url]

Candid Interview with a former BOKO HARAM Leader, Sheik Sani Haliru (Now Brother Paul Haliru) who has now converted to the Christian faith after 44 years as a Muslim Jihadist hardliner!

http://xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/3580208/121896942/name/Interview%20of%20Sheik%20Sani%20Haliru%20now%20a%20Christian.pdf

Wonders shall never end.May God continue to uphold the man.

weird mind:
It is intriguing how educated fellows are being swayed by pure emotions over the matter of religion. I have always said it: religion will be the death of us in this country. I really try to study the motives behind the introduction of Islamic Bank to Nigeria at this low period of hers; I would be deceiving myself if I found those motives to be altruistic, elevating and nation-building. Other nationals love their country and work for its well-being, but Nigerians are ready to dart arrows into the heart of the country while promoting their petty, narrow and insular religious ideas.
It is important we address our minds about some misconceptions on Islamic Banking.First, It is no free funds. It may not charge interest, but it is not slush funds you can wrap your hands around. It will cost you something.Second,don’t you ever think it will solve your financial worries and problems. It’s easy to begin day-dreaming on what is not.Why trying to break your heart?Third,it is not the recipe for solving our national economic woes: has it solved the economic problems of the countries where it is practised? Not really. So stop raising your hopes up. Above all,it won’t make you more holy or less corrupting. If your dealings have not been kosher in the conventional banking, Islamic Banking can’t provide that cure. It may,on the contrary, create more hate within you if you don’t watch it (judged by the negative comments on this issue, you may see that we are not too far off the mark). But if you have a healthy sense of cynicism, you don’t need hate but more love. Christianity or Islam is not our problem, it is the way we interpret them, the way we live it out among ourselves, the way we practise the tenets of love that really counts. Wealthy nations are not built on euphoria and religious purity but on sound business practises utilising the mind power.Nations that thrived on religious fervour always go the way dictated by history:poverty & oblivion.
It is a fact that Nigeria can never make any progress except we break along the lines of Southern & Northern Nigeria, reverting to a pre-Amalgamation era. Nigeria has been a soup of confusion and cacophony of voices with no movement. Hypocrisy and lying are the “directive principles of State Policy”. The North should practise their Islam, the South should remain secular cos I think Islam is more selfish, jealous,suspicious of dissent & criticism and clannish but Christianity is more liberal, accepting, tolerant and less prone to violence. Islam craves dominance at all costs while preaching peace;it sees the fault in the others and points fingers; it cries of foul play while it does not want its doors open for transparency; its adherents reserve the gutter language and dirtiest epithets for Jesus & His servants while it is sacrilegious to use those terms on the Imams & the Prophet. We are not compatible, never have been. Religion is the Iron Wall that shows we will ever be disunited if we remain one indivisible nation.I know my generalisations may be faulted here and there, but do me a favour: reflect some more. Provide your suggestions,but I have no other.
Go ahead with your Islamic Banking; I don’t begrudge you, but I am certain Nigerians will run it down in a few years’ time. Corruption is endemic in us!It will simply soon be ancient history like People Bank or those institutions built on nothing else but emotions. We are religious but not godly in the least. Bigotry oozes out of our words like a leaking ink pad. How I wish Islamic Banking would deliver what it is being cracked up to be. Pigs might fly.

Quite sensible.

ivoice247:
Really! after reading all my posts, you still aren't convinced. That's to be expected as many people before you too didn't believe in the quran has stated (Q7v132):-

They said: "Whatever Ayat (proofs, evidence, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) you may bring to us, to work therewith your sorcery on us, we shall never believe in you."

This still doesnt answer any of my questions.Ok here is my post again

Quote from: ivoice247 on January 30, 2012, 06:06 PM
Yes, all those bibles are fake. Neither jesus(as), paul nor any of the disciples spoke english, so how can you rely on the english version. That's why the bible has plenty contradictions and errors.[/color

You have still not proven your point.I need straight-forward and convincing proof that my Bible is fake or at least where I can get the 'untampered with' Bible from or do you also want to tow the line of LagosShia?.
If you keep engaging in cyclical statements with no proof, you will be ignored.


Quote from: ivoice247 on January 30, 2012, 06:06 PM
[color=#990000]Yes, there's only one verse (verse 17) that's clear and unambiguous. Just follow the commandments in totality just like when jesus(as) said; "follow me" ; we then follow him in totality. The commandments are listed in the bk of deut 5:1-21 

Sorry, I am not blind.The passage contains 14 verses and those verses are VERY clear to anyone who can read between the lines.
Were you not the one who said earlier on that Jesus did not say follow six or ten of the commandments and that he only said follow the commandments and now you are directing me to the ten commandments given to Moses.Can you now see you are confused?If obeying those commandments in Deut 5:1-21 alone can guarantee anyone eternal life, then why are you a muslim? Why not abandon islam and begin to obey those commandments instead of stressing yourself falling down to pray five times a day and going to the mosque every friday or what else can islam offer you that is more important than eternal life? or do you want to tell me that islam is all about obeying the commandments in Deut 5:1-21?

Quote from: ivoice247 on January 30, 2012, 06:06 PM
[color=#990000]Pls stick to the topic and stop being petty; 1Understanding a bit of arabic still means u understand arabic2If the translation is wrong, the meaning is wrong. The difference between "jesus is servant of God" and "jesus is son of God" is not in the depth of meaning but solely in the translation.Really! then how 3 does the yoruba mechanic identify the parts of a car if he doesn't understand english? All mechanics in nigeria know the parts of a car in english and not in their local language. Or do you know the names of these parts like radiator, carburator, tyre, battery, fan belt etc in yoruba, hausa or igbo language? of course NOT! of course the mechanic doesn't need to see the manual since he would have been taught by his master who would have read the manual and then passed the knowledge down to him.4 Just like many muslims or christians don't need to read the quran/bible to understand islam/christianity since their Imams/pastors would teach them


Follow the order of bolding.

1) My mechanic knows those parts of a car in english but he cannot make a complete sentence in english.Can we then say that my mechanic understands english language?   

2) You still don't get the issue.Let me give you an example.A baby doesn't know what a spoon means but he knows it is used for eating.That is why you would see a baby playfully put a spoon in his mouth even when there is no food in the spoon.Can he pronounce the word? Does he even know whether it is an English or arabic word?.That is what I mean when I say it is not the actual translation of some words that matter but the message or in depth meaning.

3) I agree those parts cannot be translated into Yoruba.You keep on emphasizing english,but are all cars made in English speaking countries? What about the ones made in Japan or Germany, does the mechanic need to learn Japanese or German to be able to repair those cars?.[/b]You see that is the problem.The quran was 'revealed' in arabic so everyone is compelled to understand arabic so as to truly understand it which is not meant to be.[b]Do you now get my point?
4) You are wrong again.A good christian doesn't just depend on what he is taught by his Pastor, he also needs to read the Bible on his own to understand it and thus christianity just like a good student doesn't depend on what he is told by his teachers alone.
Now answer the questions!

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valacious:
i have never called anyone a foool on nairaland, but with this ur post i declare u the greatest dumb azz. So u expect people not to get emotional with an emir that never cared to show empathy when these innocent souls were chopped down by people of his faith that he discretely supports in private? Imagine if any of the dead was ur family, maybe ur comment would have been different. Remember, Peace without justice is no peace.

Hmmmmmm. :
Anyway,rip to the victims

ivoice247:
Because the quran states its been tampered and the way to recognize a book from God that has been tampered is that it would contain many contradictions. As the quran states;-

Q5:15 - O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Now has come to you Our Messenger (Muhammad) explaining to you much of that which you used to hide from the Scripture and pass over much. Indeed, there has come to you from Allah a light and a plain book (this Qur'an).

Q4:82 - Do they not then consider the Qur'an carefully? Had it been from other than Allah, they would surely have found therein many a contradiction.

This doesn't answer any of my questions.Go through the whole of my last post and post your answers or have you run out of answers? 

Bulldog, I commend you for having time to reply LagosShia and Sweetnecta.I only read their posts whenever I feel like laughing. 

ivoice247:
Yes, all those bibles are fake. Neither jesus(as), paul nor any of the disciples spoke english, so how can you rely on the english version. That's why the bible has plenty contradictions and errors.[/color

You have still not proven your point.I need straight-forward and convincing proof that my Bible is fake or at least where I can get the 'untampered with' Bible from or do you also want to tow the line of LagosShia?.
If you keep engaging in cyclical statements with no proof, you will be ignored.

ivoice247:
[color=#990000]Yes, there's only one verse (verse 17) that's clear and unambiguous. Just follow the commandments in totality just like when jesus(as) said; "follow me" ; we then follow him in totality. The commandments are listed in the bk of deut 5:1-21 

Sorry, I am not blind.The passage contains 14 verses and those verses are VERY clear to anyone who can read between the lines.
Were you not the one who said earlier on that Jesus did not say follow six or ten of the commandments and that he only said follow the commandments and now you are directing me to the ten commandments given to Moses.Can you now see you are confused?
If obeying those commandments in Deut 5:1-21 alone can guarantee anyone eternal life, then why are you a muslim? Why not abandon islam and begin to obey those commandments instead of stressing yourself falling down to pray five times a day and going to the mosque every friday or what else can islam offer you that is more important than eternal life? or do you want to tell me that islam is all about obeying the commandments in Deut 5:1-21?

ivoice247:
[color=#990000]Pls stick to the topic and stop being petty; 1[b]Understanding a bit of arabic still means u understand arabic[/b]2[b]If the translation is wrong, the meaning is wrong. The difference between "jesus is servant of God" and "jesus is son of God" is not in the depth of meaning but solely in the translation.[/b]Really! then how 3 does the yoruba mechanic identify the parts of a car if he doesn't understand english? All mechanics in nigeria know the parts of a car in english and not in their local language. Or do you know the names of these parts like radiator, carburator, tyre, battery, fan belt etc in yoruba, hausa or igbo language? of course NOT! of course the mechanic doesn't need to see the manual since he would have been taught by his master who would have read the manual and then passed the knowledge down to him.4 Just like many muslims or christians don't need to read the quran/bible to understand islam/christianity since their Imams/pastors would teach them

Follow the order of bolding.

1) My mechanic knows those parts of a car in english but he cannot make a complete sentence in english.Can we then say that my mechanic understands english language?   

2) You still don't get the issue.Let me give you an example.A baby doesn't know what a spoon means but he knows it is used for eating.That is why you would see a baby playfully put a spoon in his mouth even when there is no food in the spoon.Can he pronounce the word? Does he even know whether it is an English or arabic word?.That is what I mean when I say it is not the actual translation of some words that matter but the message or in depth meaning.

3) I agree those parts cannot be translated into Yoruba.You keep on emphasizing english,but are all cars made in English speaking countries? What about the ones made in Japan or Germany, does the mechanic need to learn Japanese or German to be able to repair those cars?.You see that is the problem.The quran was 'revealed' in arabic so everyone is compelled to understand arabic so as to truly understand it which is not meant to be.Do you now get my point?

4) You are wrong again.A good christian doesn't just depend on what he is taught by his Pastor, he also needs to read the Bible on his own to understand it and thus christianity just like a good student doesn't depend on what he is told by his teachers alone.

ivoice247:
@tomzman. do you truly believe in trinity? (Father is god, jesus is god, holy trinity is god) It cannot even be found in the bible. God sent about 124,000 prophets to this world at different times, yet none of the prophets nor their followers contorted trinity, not even in the old testament, except when it came to the time of jesus(as). 

Let me tell you the truth about Jesus(as) which the bible does not tell;-

Surely, they have disbelieved who say: "Allah(God) is the Messiah (Jesus), son of maryam (Mary)." But the Messiah (Jesus) said: "O Children of Israel! Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord." Verily, whosoever sets up partners with Allah, then Allah has forbidden Paradise to him, and the Fire will be his abode . And for the Zalimun (polytheists) there are no helpers.
(  سورة المائدة  , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #72)

The Messiah (Jesus), son of maryam (Mary), was no more than a Messenger; many were the Messengers that passed away before him. His mother (Mary) was a Siddiqah [i.e. she believed in the Words of Allah and His Books] . They both used to eat food (while Allah does not eat). Look how We make the Ayat (signs,) clear to them; yet look how they are deluded away (from the truth).
(  سورة المائدة  , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #75)

And when Allah will say : "O 'Îsa (Jesus), son of maryam (Mary)! Did you say unto men: 'Worship me and my mother as two gods besides Allah?' " He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right. Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours; truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden .
(  سورة المائدة  , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #116)

Funny.Frosbel has dealt adequately with this.I don't need to waste my time on it again.
Have a nice day. 

Thank God.Happy New Month to you all.

BANGZKIRKO:
FIRSTLY, many muslims believe that the original copy of the quran wihch was given to prophet mohd still exists,and is the one since in circultion during the time of the prophet.this the say is ulike the christians whose 'original' bible is long lost.
the truth however is that there is no ornhas never been an original copy of the koran. in hadith, MISHKAT UL MASABIH, the koran was originally written in pieces and fragments on palmbranches, camel ribs and shoulderblades, wooden boards. etc. and bulk of it preserved in memories of the reciters. muslim brothers did the quran decend from heaven in such fragments from heaven?

secondly, i came across a verse in d koran that says ' I WILL MAKE THOSE WHO FOLLOW YOU JESUS SUPERIOR TO THOSE WHO DISBELIVE TILL THE DAY OF RESURRECTION' koran 3.55b. is this correct?
lastly, no dout in my mind we have many peace loving and sane muslims as friends and family but some mad men have rose up in the name of allh and his holy messenger mohd to kill people xpecially christians now please with SENTIMENTS ASIDE WHY has islam been the ONLY religion in the world used to do such evil? WHY are islamic nations the most violent and intolerant in the world? if islam is as peacful as it say such thing would not be as rampant as it is now. WHY is islam the only religion used as a tool of terrorism and hatred? sensible muslims should ask such questions, he should also ask why the holy prophet mohd didnt preach islam but forced it and in the process killed some peole ine the process (correct me if i am wrong please). PLEASE NOTE I AM NOT AN ENEMY OF ISLAM BUT IN SEARCH OF TRUTH. I HAVE NOT USED ABUSIVE OR PROVOCATIVE WORDS SO I APPEAL TO SENSIBLE MUSLIMS TO BE AS NICE IN CORRECTING ME AS POSSIBLE. ALSO I URGE TO NOT BE BASE RELIGIOUS BELIFS ON SENTIMENTS OR HOW FAR YOU HAVE GONE BUT ON TRUTH, REASON AND CONVICTIONS.

Here are books you can read to know more about islam:
1) Anatomy of the Quran
2) Who is this Allah
3) My reply;A conversation with a muslim scholar.
All the books are written by GJO Moshay.

ASUU president has said the strike wont be called off tomorrow as speculated.

@ OP
Read the whole passage.You would get a clearer understanding that way.

tpia@:
looking at the character displayed by lasinoh/blazay/militia/almondjoy/whatever, i totally understand the meaning of profiling.

some things should be labelled "enter at your own peril and may God have mercy on your soul when you do"

ivoice247:
How am i supposed to know where the original untampered version of the bible is, I should be asking you? Afterall, none of the prophets and neither of the disciples (john, luke, matthew, peter etc) spoke english so you christians should be the one telling us how you can rely so much on the present day version of the bible without evening knowing the content of the original bible.

Guy, did you sit down to think before posting this? Were you not the one who brought the claim that the present day Bible has been tampered with and that there is an original Bible? And now you are asking me to show you where the original or 'untampered with' Bible is.Does that make any sense? It is like a prosecuting counsel asking the defence counsel to prove that his client is guilty. 
Can you see how beclouded your sense of reasoning is? You believe in an original Bible which you have never seen or read.  The present day Bible is enough for me.I have applied the principles in it and they have worked (and are still working) for me.I am satisfied with that.Historically and scientifically, the Bible has been proven to be true unlike the quran which only provide comic relief to scientists and historians.For your info, the Bible has been translated not only into English but also into almost every language so that everyone can read it. So therefore, going by your theory, all those Bibles are also fake abi?

ivoice247:
Nope, its not my method of reasoning, its what the bible states. Jesus(as) said follow thy commandments to earn eternal life, Jesus(as) didn't say follow six nor did he say follow ten of the commandments, Jesus(as) just said, follow the commandments to earn eternal life. 
Why should anyone have to read in between the lines when the statement is as clear and unambiguous as it can get.
Yes, i know the answer is starring at me and also at you in the face; Jesus stated in the bible verses i quoted earlier  that to get eternal life you should follow thy commandments.

Have you forgotten that we are dealing with a story of 14 verses and not just a verse or statement?.Ok, if we decide to close our eyes to the other verses and pretend as if there is only one verse (verse 17) in that passage then, can you give me a list of 'thy (or the) commandments' that Jesus expects me to follow so as to earn eternal life. 

ivoice247:
Yes, to truly understand the quran you must understand a bit of arabic. All holy books were revealed to the prophets in the language they understood. The sabur(psalms), taurah(old testament), injeel (new testament) and quran were revealed to david, moses, jesus, and muhammed(saw) respectively according to the language they understood. (Or did any of the past prophets speak english?)
Many names or vocabulary used in the holy books cannot be translated in  any other language except for the ones they were revealed in. For example in the quran, one of many such names is Allah; this word cannot be translated to any other language that correctly explains its meaning except you understand the arabic word 'Allah"
Another easy example you can try yourself is to try and translate any of the parts of a Motor Vehicle into your mother tongue;- tyre, steering wheel, floodlights, wiper, caburator, fan belt etc. You see this is impossible except you use them as they are in English language; that's because the english people developed the car and therefore name the parts in their language which you must understand. Same applies for arabic language in understanding the quran

I can see you are confused.At first, it was 'You must understand arabic' now its 'you must understand a bit of arabic'.
You see, it is not the actual translation that matters but the in depth meaning or/and the message.A car produced in France comes with a French manual, a car produced in USA comes with an English manual, a car produced in Germany comes with a German manual etc.An illiterate Nigerian mechanic can easily repair those cars without needing to go to any school to learn a bit of those languages nor trying to translate the faulty part into the language he speaks.He doesn't even need to see the manual of the car.The major thing is for him to know the function of the faulty part and how to fix it.

ivoice247:
It's referring to those christians that existed during the time of jesus(as) up until the time muhammed(saw) received revelation. The true believers are those that followed the teaching of Muhammed(saw) and left that of jesus(as) as soon as muhammed became a prophet, and any christian that didn't follow muhammed was a disbeliever. Same thing for the true believers amongst the jews are those that left the preaching of Moses(as) and followed the preaching of  Jesus(as) once jesus(as) received the spirit and became a prophet and any jew that didn't follow jesus was a disbeliever.
All the prophets are paternal brothers from the lineage of Abraham(ishmael and ishaq) all preaching the same message but in different languages. As allah states in quran;-

Say (O Muslims), "We believe in Allah and that which has been sent down to us and that which has been sent down to Ibrahim (Abraham), Isma'il (Ishmael), Ishaq (Isaac), Ya'qub (Jacob), and to Al-Asbat [the offspring of the twelve sons of Ya'qub (Jacob)], and that which has been given to Musa (Moses) and 'Îsa (Jesus), and that which has been given to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and to Him we have submitted (in Islam)."
(  سورة البقرة  , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #136)

And when it is said to them, "Believe in what Allah has sent down," they say, "We believe in what was sent down to us." And they disbelieve in that which came after it, while it is the truth confirming what is with them. , , ,
(  سورة البقرة  , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #91)

I think Frosbel and Judek have satisfactorily dealt with this.You can read their last posts.

ivoice247:
Okay let me quote from the bible and quran a preaching the christians do not follow today; The christians believe "Jesus is Lord" and "God is Lord", whereas Jesus stated that there's only one Lord God;-
King James bible (Mark 12:29);-  And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

Q19:36:- 'Îsa (jesus) said: "And verily Allah is my Lord and your Lord. So worship Him. That is the Straight Path.
(  سورة مريم  , Maryam, Chapter #19, Verse #36)

I see you all have a problem with understanding the concept of Trinity.Well, I won't bother trying to explain to you, because just like Frosbel said somewhere, trying to reason out the deep truths of salvation with an unbeliever is like trying to reason out with a pig, the merits of cleanliness.

Am I correct Frosbel 

Too bad

Any links?

I pray we win this one  

OLAADEGBU:
Have you heard of the testimony of one evangelist Balogun who used to be a muslim?

No.where can i get it to read?

El Guapo:
[color=#0066ff]Did Yo best? And a Convict escaped from Yo Watch?

Think twice Mr Ringim [/color]

yeah, he really did his best

Imagine an alfa in the mosque who stands in front to lead others in prayer and all that could come out of his mouth was'IN THE NAME OF JESUS' .His testimony and that of others is contained in a book titled 'How we found Jesus.20 ex-muslims testify' from the stable of GJO Moshay.The book is really a must read for all.

his business.who even needs him in any post.rubbbish

e yah o ma se o.RIP man.

ivoice247:
Yes, the bible has been tampered with, and many verses have been changed or removed BUT also many verses are still intact. Therefore, its the quran that lets us know which verses are true and which verses in the bible are false. For example; the quran states Jesus was a servant and moses was given the 10 commandments, so therefore, we'll believe the verses in the bible that states the same. As allah has stated in the quran Ch 5 v 15;-

Oh I see.The scribes forgot to tamper with those verses  .
Have you read your history books well?.Which one came first, the Bible or Quran.Let's even assume that the present day bible has been tampered with or is not the original Bible as Muslims claim, the next logical questions that comes to mind is Where is the 'original' or 'untampered with' Bible, What evidence do you have to back up your claim?, Why does a book that was 'revealed' from heaven contain verses from a fake or 'tampered with' book?

ivoice247:
still my point, the following verses 18-19 is stated by jesus(as) to support keeping to the commandments in verse 17

you see, the verses above speak for itself; the young man was sorrowful because the commandment was too great for him as he had great possessions, so jesus(as) had to reassure him and his followers by stating the following verses below

Alright then.But going by your method of reasoning, since Jesus stated only six commandments in those verses, then it follows that by obeying those six only, eternal life is mine.Right?     

ivoice247:
and jesus tells them to follow him and abandon their properties & family which peter replied; "we have forsaken all, and followed thee". Tell me tomzman, what was jesus asking them to follow according to all the verses above? Of course it's the commandment as stated in the verses 17-19 above. 

Now, let's practicalise this.You come to me and I say to you 'ivoice, come follow me'.What do I mean?.
You see, this is why many muslim students find it hard to pass English Language and Literature.They always fail to read in between the lines.So, if this passage was given to you in an exam as comprehension and they ask you two questions
1) How can a man inherit eternal life?
2) What in your opinion do you think Jesus was asking the man and his (Jesus) disciples to follow?
      I guess your answers would be like
1) By obeying the commandments
2) The commandments 
   My dear, go through the passage again.Your answers are staring at you in the face.

ivoice247:
You see that's why you have different versions of the bible with different statements even in the same verse. For example; according to 1kings 4:26; this same verse gives different accounts in different versions of the bible;-

king James Version- And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen.
And according to New Int'l Version & New Living Translation Bible it states:-
Solomon had four thousand stalls for chariot horses, and twelve thousand horses.

Now let's give examples of two words found in the bible that cannot be translated. "Allah" this is the name GOD calls himself. None of the prophets of the past ever spoke english but today every christian calls GOD by the english name; this is wrong. God is not the correct translation of Allah, that's why we'll use bracket for people that don't understand arabic so that they can have an idea what allah means. God in english, can also mean demi god if written in small letters, or even by adding "dess" you can have a female goddess. But Allah means allah regardless of capital letters or small letters and there's no female allah.

By implcation, what you are saying is that for me to truly understand the quran and by extension islam, I have to learn arabic so as to be able to read the original quran abi? But do you know that the first book on Accounting was written in Italian.Imagine what it would be like if all Accountants and Accounting students are compelled to learn that language for them to be able to read and understand the book and by extension Accounting.hmm

ivoice247:
Secondly, there's no where in the quran where the words christians & jews were mentioned by that name in arabic, the actually words used were nasara and yehudi OR allu kitab; meaning the followers of jesus and the followers of moses OR people of the scripture. You see these english words do not fully explain their true meaning unless you understand the arabic word. You see in many parts of the quran, allah says that the "nisara" will enter paradise, but this means that the people that followed jesus. But this is not referring to the christians of today, because definitely they are not following jesus preachings. (Jesus definitely did not say he's son of god )  As the quran states:-

He ['Îsa (jesus)] was not more than a slave. We granted Our Favour to him, and We made him an example for the Children of Israel (i.e. his creation without a father).
( سورة الزخرف , Az-Zukhruf, Chapter #43, Verse #59)

i used brackets again

Two questions.
1) Since you claim those parts of the quran are not referring to the Christians of today, then Christians of which era are those parts referring to?
2) Can you give me the the preachings of Jesus that are not followed by the Christans of today:

ivoice247:
Although Muslims believe in Jesus(as a servant of allah) and his preaching of the gospel, we totally reject the present day bible because it has been tampered with and therefore has too many contradictions, that's why allah revealed the quran to muhammed(saw) telling us who jesus (as) truly was and that he (jesus) practised islam. One of the contradictions in the verses stated above is that of "eternal life". According to many books in the bible, Eternal life does not mean to believe in the Jesus Christ but rather to keep thy commandments;-

This is laughable.You guys believe the present day Bible has been tampered with but there are verses from the same 'tampered with' Bible in your 'holy' quran.You need proof?.Compare surah 5:48 with Exodus 21:23-25, surah 21:105 with Psalm 37:29, surah 16:10-12,15-16 with Psalm 104:10,14,19-20 and Psalm 16, surah 7:40 with Matthew 19:24,Mark 10:25,Luke 18:25.You need more?.

ivoice247:
According to many books in the bible, Eternal life does not mean to believe in the Jesus Christ but rather to keep thy commandments;- [/color]

According to the bk of Matthew 19:17 -"Why ask me about what is good?" Jesus replied. "There is only One who is good. But to answer your question--if you want to receive eternal life, keep the commandments."

LagosShia also posted this same thing sometime ago.Well, I think you guys generally have a problem of lack of understanding.You both failed to quote and understand the whole story.Let me help you.Here is Matthew 19:17-30

17And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

18He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

19Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

20The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?

21Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

22But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

23Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.

24And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

25When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?

26But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

27Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?

28And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

29And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

30But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first.

Do you now understand

LagosShia, please do not bring up the issue of Jesus giving me 100 wives because even the dumbest man on earth would easily know that that wasn't what Jesus meant in verse 29.

ivoice247:
Another contradiction you quoted from the book of John, where God supposedly states that he gave is one and "only" son,   In the bible God calls different people his sons and i'll quote 2 instances where he calls Solomon and David his son.

1 Chronicles, chapter 17: verse 13;-

(God is being quoted as speaking to Nathan, regarding David)

13: I will be his Father, and he shall be my Son; I will not take my steadfast love from him, as I took it from him who was before you,



Again in the same chronicles,1 Chronicles, chapter 28: verse 6:-

(Here, David is being quoted)

He said to me, `It is Solomon your son who shall build my house and my courts, for I have chosen him to be my Son, and I will be his Father. 

In Christiandom, every born again Christian is regarded as a child (son or daughter) of God.(John 1:12)

Finally, the excuse you gave concerning the issue of the brackets in the brackets in the quran is a lame one.Any book at all that is intended to be relevant to everyone in the world should pass the test of being translated into any language without losing its message.All the versions of the Bible carry the same message and even the ones that contain brackets, when you read the passages while ignoring the brackets, the message is still the same.That is what a Word of God should be like.

LagosShia:
christians have forgotten the topic and as usual turned to insults and name calling.they cannot discuss in civilize manner.

A dose of your own medicine.

LagosShia:
^^^^

By their fruits you shall know them!!!!

And where did you get this from? Hypocrite

Prof kenny:
I know you will definitely kill me if you have the opportunity of seeing me today!
It's the fault of the mannerless,berstard,silly and filthy Mohammad(the foolish ''prophet'') who gave you guys the quran and emphasized violence and killing in order to win non-Muslims over to your side! nonsense!

Nevertheless,I will tell you the truth and nothing but the truth. Isn't Saudi the country you guys(Muslims) go for your Umrah and Hajj? Isn't it the place you guys reverence as a holy country whose Nationals are very close to your god(allah)? I know it's hurting to hear all these but the truth must be told.

You said they don't represent Islam more than Nigerians or Iranians. man,you've just disappointed me.why don't you go to Nigeria or Japan or Iran for your Hajj? stewpid Mohammad!

Hello Ivoice, long time.I'm back on the laptop now so, let me quickly give you a few of what Christianity has to offer from the bible.Please take note of the bolded parts.
John 1:12 But to all who have received him--those who believe in his name--he has given the right to become God's children

John 3:14 Just as Moses lifted up the serpent in the desert, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 so that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life.”
John 3:16-18 For this is the way God loved the world: he gave his one and only Son that everyone who believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world should be saved through him. 18 The one who believes in Him is not condemned. The one who does not believe has been condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the one and only Son of God.


John 3:36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them.
John 14:1-3 1“Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God[a]; believe also in me. 2 My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you? 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.

Now, you may say everything is from the book of John but the truth is there are many more things Christianity has to offer but if I continue typing all of them here, I dont know when I would be through but I would advice you to ponder on the ones here and you can also read the New Testament especially the first four books and the books of Paul as well as Revelation.Then compare everything with what the Quran has to 'offer'.Please be sincere with yourself.May God help you.

As  for the bracket issue I earlier mentioned, maybe you need to go through the Quran again as there are SOOOOO MANY verses in the Quran that wouldn't make any sense if not for the additions in the brackets.You would not find this in the Bible.The message remains the same whichever way you decide to read it.

werepeLeri:
saying what sir?

He is speaking generally, on issues concerning the fuel subsidy removal and the aftermath of the nationwide strike.